[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My addition: Nightline did a town hall meeting show the other night in which they discussed the nation's preparedness for disasters which are likely to strike. The general consensus was that despite 4 years of Homeland Security efforts, we are poorly prepared. Ted Koppel's closing remark was that he hoped we get prepared in time, but there was a strong note of doubt in his voice. How can a nation whose very nature is based on the denial of reality be prepared for reality? Not gonna happen. I have friends here in FF who are planning to stockpile food and supplies in the event of bird flu. If it strikes, and is as contagious and lethal as it might potentially be, they don't want to leave their house until it passes. This, on the other hand, is a little scary. Shades of Poe's Masque of the Red Death. If your number's up, your number's up, wherever you hide. Actually, personal isolation is considered THE best way to handle something like this, but feel free to call sound medical advice paranoia if you like... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have friends here in FF who are planning to stockpile food and supplies in the event of bird flu. If it strikes, and is as contagious and lethal as it might potentially be, they don't want to leave their house until it passes. This, on the other hand, is a little scary. Shades of Poe's Masque of the Red Death. If your number's up, your number's up, wherever you hide. Actually, personal isolation is considered THE best way to handle something like this, but feel free to call sound medical advice paranoia if you like... I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have friends here in FF who are planning to stockpile food and supplies in the event of bird flu. If it strikes, and is as contagious and lethal as it might potentially be, they don't want to leave their house until it passes. This, on the other hand, is a little scary. Shades of Poe's Masque of the Red Death. If your number's up, your number's up, wherever you hide. Actually, personal isolation is considered THE best way to handle something like this, but feel free to call sound medical advice paranoia if you like... I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. It hasn't mutated yet and it probably won't. But if it does, our bodies have no antibodies for it and we're in for a shit storm. But how isolated can a person be? The last big pandemic in 1917, over half the world's population actually caught that flu. 20 to 60 million died. Amazing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can a nation whose very nature is based on the denial of reality be prepared for reality? Not gonna happen. Good one! The first post-modern presidency--we discourse our reality to our liking. __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have friends here in FF who are planning to stockpile food and supplies in the event of bird flu. If it strikes, and is as contagious and lethal as it might potentially be, they don't want to leave their house until it passes. This, on the other hand, is a little scary. Shades of Poe's Masque of the Red Death. If your number's up, your number's up, wherever you hide. Actually, personal isolation is considered THE best way to handle something like this, but feel free to call sound medical advice paranoia if you like... I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. So, how would YOU react in a pandemic of the kind that the aivan flu might bring about? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This, on the other hand, is a little scary. Shades of Poe's Masque of the Red Death. If your number's up, your number's up, wherever you hide. Actually, personal isolation is considered THE best way to handle something like this, but feel free to call sound medical advice paranoia if you like... I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. It hasn't mutated yet and it probably won't. But if it does, our bodies have no antibodies for it and we're in for a shit storm. But how isolated can a person be? The last big pandemic in 1917, over half the world's population actually caught that flu. 20 to 60 million died. Amazing. Tell me about it. My father's parents almost certainly died in that flu epidemic. He was an orphan, and has no idea who they might have been. And as for how isolated can a person be?, that was my point with comparing the mindset to Poe's The Masque of the Red Death. When you're talking airborne viruses and the reality of modern-day world travel, the desire to be isolated is probably as illusory for us as it was for Prince Prospero. At the same time, and while not giving in to the scare tactics being waged about this subject in the media right now, I am happy I won't be spending 90 minutes a day in the Metro any more. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. So, how would YOU react in a pandemic of the kind that the aivan flu might bring about? Well, I might move to a small village in the south of France. :-) Seriously, that move has been planned for some time, and I'll be there permanently in the next couple of days. My desire to move there was developed as a result of other factors than the flu, but am I happy I won't be spending hours in the Metro standing next to coughing people this winter? You bet your ass I am. My original point, however, had to do with the mind- set of buying into propaganda about an epidemic that DOES NOT EXIST. The flu virus in question HAS NOT mutated to become airborne, and thus at this point affects only humans who have been in direct contact with the infected birds. The media, however, are drumming up a whole buncha FEAR about this issue, for their usual reason -- to sell more papers or to sell more commercial time. The FEAR mindset being generated is supported and strengthened by the Bush administration, because they want the American people as fearful as humanly possible. And Americans, true to their nature, are falling for it. If it becomes a real issue, I will deal with it as a real issue. At this point, making a lot of plans for how I'm going to deal with an imaginary epidemic makes as much sense to me as stocking up on tinfoil to protect myself from the alien invasion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have friends here in FF who are planning to stockpile food and supplies in the event of bird flu. If it strikes, and is as contagious and lethal as it might potentially be, they don't want to leave their house until it passes. This, on the other hand, is a little scary. Shades of Poe's Masque of the Red Death. If your number's up, your number's up, wherever you hide. Actually, personal isolation is considered THE best way to handle something like this, but feel free to call sound medical advice paranoia if you like... I'm talking about the mindset. Having bought into the propaganda being distributed right now, which IMO is *intended to* create a sense of fear in the population. T'would seem that it worked. Well, actually you were suggesting the isolation measure itself was futile: If your number's up, your number's up, wherever you hide. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And as for how isolated can a person be?, that was my point with comparing the mindset to Poe's The Masque of the Red Death. When you're talking airborne viruses and the reality of modern-day world travel, the desire to be isolated is probably as illusory for us as it was for Prince Prospero. In regional terms, yes. In personal terms, it isn't either/or: you can be more isolated or less isolated. Even if the virus is spreading in your community, the more isolated you are--the less often you have to leave your home and have contact with others--the less chance you'll be exposed to the virus. If you do have to go out, there are measures you can take to isolate yourself from others (e.g., face masks). You can't eliminate your risk, but you can certainly reduce it significantly. If anybody's interested, there's a Flu Wiki with all kinds of information about preparedness on every level: http://www.fluwiki.com At the same time, and while not giving in to the scare tactics being waged about this subject in the media right now, Would that it were just the media, but it ain't. This is a case where the threat is all too real, even if it's being exaggerated in the media. I am happy I won't be spending 90 minutes a day in the Metro any more. :-) Another thing to take into account is the likely breakdown of essential services in a full-blown pandemic. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If it becomes a real issue, I will deal with it as a real issue. At this point, making a lot of plans for how I'm going to deal with an imaginary epidemic makes as much sense to me as stocking up on tinfoil to protect myself from the alien invasion. Not really, because a pandemic is vastly more likely than an alien invasion; and while there are known effective measures to take against the flu, even if aliens did invade it's hardly likely that tinfoil would serve as protection. As to dealing with it when it becomes a real issue, the problem there is that when it becomes a real issue, everybody *else* is going to be dealing with it as well, many in panic mode, emptying supermarkets, hoarding gasoline, buying up generators, and so on. The kind of supplies and equipment you'd need to be able to isolate yourself will quickly become unavailable. It's a real dilemma to figure out what measures it makes sense to take at this stage. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
It's very similar to dealing with hurricanes. You can't just wait until they hit. On the other hand, predictions of where one will hit and at what strength are not that dependable. You can't get freaked out everytime, and you can't be complacent either. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If it becomes a real issue, I will deal with it as a real issue. At this point, making a lot of plans for how I'm going to deal with an imaginary epidemic makes as much sense to me as stocking up on tinfoil to protect myself from the alien invasion. Not really, because a pandemic is vastly more likely than an alien invasion; and while there are known effective measures to take against the flu, even if aliens did invade it's hardly likely that tinfoil would serve as protection. As to dealing with it when it becomes a real issue, the problem there is that when it becomes a real issue, everybody *else* is going to be dealing with it as well, many in panic mode, emptying supermarkets, hoarding gasoline, buying up generators, and so on. The kind of supplies and equipment you'd need to be able to isolate yourself will quickly become unavailable. It's a real dilemma to figure out what measures it makes sense to take at this stage. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My addition: Nightline did a town hall meeting show the other night in which they discussed the nation's preparedness for disasters which are likely to strike. The general consensus was that despite 4 years of Homeland Security efforts, we are poorly prepared. Ted Koppel's closing remark was that he hoped we get prepared in time, but there was a strong note of doubt in his voice. How can a nation whose very nature is based on the denial of reality be prepared for reality? Not gonna happen. I have friends here in FF who are planning to stockpile food and supplies in the event of bird flu. If it strikes, and is as contagious and lethal as it might potentially be, they don't want to leave their house until it passes. This, on the other hand, is a little scary. Shades of Poe's Masque of the Red Death. If your number's up, your number's up, wherever you hide. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My addition: Nightline did a town hall meeting show the other night in which they discussed the nation's preparedness for disasters which are likely to strike. The general consensus was that despite 4 years of Homeland Security efforts, we are poorly prepared. LOOKING BACK ON HURRICANE HISTORY President: Nixon Category 5 Hurricane Camille, August 1969 Area: About the same area as that affected by Katrina Response: Nixon prepared the National Guard in advance, ordering rescue ships from Tampa and Houston to stand waiting along with over a thousand regular military, 24+ helicopters to assist the Coast Guard and National Guard about as soon as the hurricane passed. President: Bush (the Elder) Category 5 Hurricane Andrew, August 1992 Area: Florida Response: In the middle of a re-election campaign, Bush ceased campaigning the day before the hurricane, went to Washington, and assembled one of the largest military forces ever mustered on US soil. 7,000 National Guard and 22,000 regular military were sent in with the necessary equipment shortly after the hurricane passed through. President: Clinton Category 3 Hurricane Floyd, September 1999 Area: Virginia and Carolinas Response: Meeting with China's president Jiang in New Zealand, Clinton immediately declared the hurricane-affected areas federal disasters, allowing the military and National Guard to move in and help. Clinton flew home immediately, one day before the hurricane hit, to help coordinate the rescue. President: Bush (the Younger) Category 5 Hurricane Katrina, August 2005 Area: Gulf Coast Response: National Guard troops are down about 8,000 members because they are in Iraq with much of the needed rescue equipment. Bush was on vacation, riding his bike for two hours the day before the hurricane landed. On that day, Bush attended a birthday party for John McCain. The levees began to crack. While emergency 1.5-ton sandbags were ready to be placed to strengthen the levee and exclude water, there were insufficient helicopters and pilots to set them before the levees broke. New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin pleaded for federal-level assistance and got none. Bush went to San Diego to play guitar with a country singer and end his vacation early - but not until the next day, because he had tickets to a San Diego Padres game. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
