[FairfieldLife] Re: Gee, Louis, looks like Obama no longer likes Wright

2008-04-30 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have Obama's jyotish chart.  His pastor or guru is 
 represented by a malefic Mercury.  Mercury is the lord 
 of the 64th navamsha.  As such, it very likely that this 
 pastor will seriously damage Obama's chances of getting 
 the Democratic nomination. 


Wright's Jyotish chart notes that he's black, too.
If you read enough into it, that is...


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie ltm457@ 
 wrote:
 
  I dont understand what is going on or why?  Wright maybe working 
 with the Clintons.  Or it may be something to keep people from 
 dropping off.  I cant tell.
  
  shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What to do, Louis?
  
  You've expressed your admiration for BOTH Rev. Wright and Sen. 
 Obama.  
  Yet now Sen. Obama has REALLY distanced himself from the good 
 reverend:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/3kcnbb
  
  Whose side are you on?
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gee, Louis, looks like Obama no longer likes Wright

2008-04-30 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  I have Obama's jyotish chart.  His pastor or guru is 
  represented by a malefic Mercury.  Mercury is the lord 
  of the 64th navamsha.  As such, it very likely that this 
  pastor will seriously damage Obama's chances of getting 
  the Democratic nomination. 
 
 Wright's Jyotish chart notes that he's black, too.
 If you read enough into it, that is...

Meant to type 'Obama' there, not 'Wright,' 
but whatever...

I tell you...the only thing that makes me
roll my eyes in disbelief and horror more
than people believing in Jyotish and astrology
is their seemingly unshakable belief that a
person's pastor of choice holds some kind of
sway over them, or is a huge influence in 
their lives.

Duh...guys! That's cultthink. That's you
remembering all the times YOU did stupid 
things because Maharishi or some other guru
told you to. Normal people don't DO that.
They're smarter than that. In this respect,
Barack Obama strikes me as pretty damned
normal. 

The problem is not who a candidate chooses
to hang with. It's the belief in others that
these people, whoever they are, exert an 
undue influence on the candidate's thinking
and decisions. I have a strong suspicion
that if you did a study, the people who are
most wary of Obama's association with Wright
have a history *themselves* of doing what
other people tell them to do, rather than
thinking for themselves. So they assume that
Obama is the same way. 

I don't see that in the man's life. I see
him as a refreshingly normal human being in
a country filled with sheep. The sheep can't
*get through the day* without being told what
to do, and so they're constantly looking for
the person or persons who tell Obama what to
do. Me, I just look at this whole tempest in
a pisspot and say Ba.

Grow the fuck up. No one needs a guru or a 
pastor or a self-appointed hall monitor to 
tell them what to do and what to think and
whether it's right or wrong. Everybody
always knows. Give me a candidate any day
who knows *this*.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Gee, Louis, looks like Obama no longer likes Wright

2008-04-30 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


[snip]

 
 Meant to type 'Obama' there, not 'Wright,' 
 but whatever...

[snip]

...just as long as you didn't accidentally type Osama I think you'll 
be okay...



[FairfieldLife] Re: Gee, Louis, looks like Obama no longer likes Wright

2008-04-30 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Louis,
 I do not like the tone of the subject heading at all. 
 Seems awfully petty to me, seems like some folks are
 trying to make you look bad for having admired the
 wrong man.  A phrase like, Whose side are you on? is
 particularly stupid.  This is not a matter of taking
 sides.  
 
 So please just ignore those comments.  Consider their
 source. a


Thank you Angela I love to use the N-word Mailander.






 
 
 
 --- Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I dont understand what is going on or why?  Wright
  maybe working with the Clintons.  Or it may be
  something to keep people from dropping off.  I cant
  tell.
  
  shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What
  to do, Louis?
  
  You've expressed your admiration for BOTH Rev.
  Wright and Sen. Obama.  
  Yet now Sen. Obama has REALLY distanced himself from
  the good reverend:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/3kcnbb
  
  Whose side are you on?
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gee, Louis, looks like Obama no longer likes Wright

2008-04-30 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Frankly, I like that Obama has a Rev Wright. I wish the crudeness of
 current American politics did not force him to disown the good Rev.
 Straight talking, perhaps emphatic, even hypebole-driven connections
 can be balancing, invigorating and insightful. I hope Barack keeps
 Wright as part of a transparent brain-trust and kitchen cabinet.



Oh, yes.

By all means keep the fellow who actually believes that AIDS was 
created by the White Man specifically to commit genocide against 
African-Americans as part of the Brain-Trust to advise the President 
of the United States.

And sitting next to Wright at the Cabinet Table we should also have 
Soupy Sales and Pee-Wee Herman.

And why not Charles Manson for National Security Advisor?



 
 Politics today is so afraid of speaking something resembling the
 truth. Its largely pandering. Few want to be told that we have
 responsibilities, we have blames, we have burdens. America is not 
the
 great shining knight of righteousness that it could have been. It 
has
 goodness. And a lot of baggage, corruption, weak thinking and
 calloused hearts. I think Lincoln and Jefferson would weep at 
viewing
 today's America.
 Wright is a force, not alone, but one of many,
 together that can help steer us back to the highest form of the
 American Spirit. I hope Barack keeps the door open to Wright. If he
 doesn't, he is less different than Hill than I would like to 
believe.
 
 
  

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
 mailander111@ wrote:
 
  Louis,
  I do not like the tone of the subject heading at all. 
  Seems awfully petty to me, seems like some folks are
  trying to make you look bad for having admired the
  wrong man.  A phrase like, Whose side are you on? is
  particularly stupid.  This is not a matter of taking
  sides.  
  
  So please just ignore those comments.  Consider their
  source. a
  
  
  
  --- Louis McKenzie ltm457@ wrote:
  
   I dont understand what is going on or why?  Wright
   maybe working with the Clintons.  Or it may be
   something to keep people from dropping off.  I cant
   tell.
   
   shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What
   to do, Louis?
   
   You've expressed your admiration for BOTH Rev.
   Wright and Sen. Obama.  
   Yet now Sen. Obama has REALLY distanced himself from
   the good reverend:
   
   http://tinyurl.com/3kcnbb
   
   Whose side are you on?
   
   
   
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gee, Louis, looks like Obama no longer likes Wright

2008-04-30 Thread shempmcgurk
Hey, new.morning, perhaps you and Louis can curl up and read 
the Protocols of the Elders of Zion together.

Isn't that something that you'd like to learn from, new.morning?

And then you can listen to audio tapes of Rev. Wright and Louis 
Farakhan and have a discussion group.






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Frankly, I like that Obama has a Rev Wright. I wish the crudeness of
 current American politics did not force him to disown the good Rev.
 Straight talking, perhaps emphatic, even hypebole-driven connections
 can be balancing, invigorating and insightful. I hope Barack keeps
 Wright as part of a transparent brain-trust and kitchen cabinet.
 
 Politics today is so afraid of speaking something resembling the
 truth. Its largely pandering. Few want to be told that we have
 responsibilities, we have blames, we have burdens. America is not 
the
 great shining knight of righteousness that it could have been. It 
has
 goodness. And a lot of baggage, corruption, weak thinking and
 calloused hearts. I think Lincoln and Jefferson would weep at 
viewing
 today's America. Wright is a force, not alone, but one of many,
 together that can help steer us back to the highest form of the
 American Spirit. I hope Barack keeps the door open to Wright. If he
 doesn't, he is less different than Hill than I would like to 
believe.
 
 
  

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
 mailander111@ wrote:
 
  Louis,
  I do not like the tone of the subject heading at all. 
  Seems awfully petty to me, seems like some folks are
  trying to make you look bad for having admired the
  wrong man.  A phrase like, Whose side are you on? is
  particularly stupid.  This is not a matter of taking
  sides.  
  
  So please just ignore those comments.  Consider their
  source. a
  
  
  
  --- Louis McKenzie ltm457@ wrote:
  
   I dont understand what is going on or why?  Wright
   maybe working with the Clintons.  Or it may be
   something to keep people from dropping off.  I cant
   tell.
   
   shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What
   to do, Louis?
   
   You've expressed your admiration for BOTH Rev.
   Wright and Sen. Obama.  
   Yet now Sen. Obama has REALLY distanced himself from
   the good reverend:
   
   http://tinyurl.com/3kcnbb
   
   Whose side are you on?
   
   
   
   
   To subscribe, send a message to:
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gee, Louis, looks like Obama no longer likes Wright

2008-04-30 Thread Vaj


On Apr 30, 2008, at 8:39 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


Frankly, I like that Obama has a Rev Wright. I wish the crudeness of
current American politics did not force him to disown the good Rev.
Straight talking, perhaps emphatic, even hypebole-driven connections
can be balancing, invigorating and insightful. I hope Barack keeps
Wright as part of a transparent brain-trust and kitchen cabinet.




Oh, yes.

By all means keep the fellow who actually believes that AIDS was
created by the White Man specifically to commit genocide against
African-Americans as part of the Brain-Trust to advise the President
of the United States.

And sitting next to Wright at the Cabinet Table we should also have
Soupy Sales and Pee-Wee Herman.

And why not Charles Manson for National Security Advisor?



One of the disturbing things I find in many Black preachers and  
Mullahs is their embracing of radical Afrocentrism, a bizarre and sad  
trend in even educated Blacks. Did you ever get to see the 60 Minutes  
segment (years ago) with Mary Lefkowitz and _Not Out of Africa_? It  
was an eye-opener that lead me into reading a good number of books on  
the subject and engaging with a lot of blacks of the trend. It's a  
trend that's epidemic in the Black community.


Many aren't even aware that in some communities it's considered fact  
that some of the great Greek philosophers were Black, that the  
Egyptians were a Black race and numerous other historical and  
biological fallacies. I think there likely is a good probability that  
Obama has some roots--or at least is very familiar with--radical  
Afrocentrism.


For a shocking example of what is taught in some schools, check out:  
http://www.csicop.org/si/9201/minority.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gee, Louis, looks like Obama no longer likes Wright

2008-04-30 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  Frankly, I like that Obama has a Rev Wright. I wish the crudeness of
  current American politics did not force him to disown the good Rev.
  Straight talking, perhaps emphatic, even hypebole-driven connections
  can be balancing, invigorating and insightful. I hope Barack keeps
  Wright as part of a transparent brain-trust and kitchen cabinet.
 
 
 
 Oh, yes.
 
 By all means keep the fellow who actually believes that AIDS was 
 created by the White Man specifically to commit genocide against 
 African-Americans as part of the Brain-Trust to advise the President 
 of the United States.
 
 And sitting next to Wright at the Cabinet Table we should also have 
 Soupy Sales and Pee-Wee Herman.

Great idea. Since they already sit on the Board of the Heartland
Institute. 

 
 And why not Charles Manson for National Security Advisor?
 
 
 
  
  Politics today is so afraid of speaking something resembling the
  truth. Its largely pandering. Few want to be told that we have
  responsibilities, we have blames, we have burdens. America is not 
 the
  great shining knight of righteousness that it could have been. It 
 has
  goodness. And a lot of baggage, corruption, weak thinking and
  calloused hearts. I think Lincoln and Jefferson would weep at 
 viewing
  today's America.
  Wright is a force, not alone, but one of many,
  together that can help steer us back to the highest form of the
  American Spirit. I hope Barack keeps the door open to Wright. If he
  doesn't, he is less different than Hill than I would like to 
 believe.
  
  
   
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
  mailander111@ wrote:
  
   Louis,
   I do not like the tone of the subject heading at all. 
   Seems awfully petty to me, seems like some folks are
   trying to make you look bad for having admired the
   wrong man.  A phrase like, Whose side are you on? is
   particularly stupid.  This is not a matter of taking
   sides.  
   
   So please just ignore those comments.  Consider their
   source. a
   
   
   
   --- Louis McKenzie ltm457@ wrote:
   
I dont understand what is going on or why?  Wright
maybe working with the Clintons.  Or it may be
something to keep people from dropping off.  I cant
tell.

shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What
to do, Louis?

You've expressed your admiration for BOTH Rev.
Wright and Sen. Obama.  
Yet now Sen. Obama has REALLY distanced himself from
the good reverend:

http://tinyurl.com/3kcnbb

Whose side are you on?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gee, Louis, looks like Obama no longer likes Wright

2008-04-30 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I also agree with much that he has said, including the
 outrageous possibility that AIDS was a deliberate
 depopulation attempt.

NYTimes: In the appearances, Mr. Wright has suggested that the United
States was attacked because it engaged in terrorism on other people
and that the government was capable of having used the AIDS virus to
commit genocide against minorities.

I understood the comment on AIDS as the times reported: the
government was capable of having used the AIDS virus

Is/ Was the government capable of that? They were capable of immoral
experimentation of Montrealers for 30 years. They were capable of
Tuskegee. They were capable of firebombing SOLELY civilian 
populations killing 100,000's in single evenings to 'break the will of
those nations' (Which appears to be the largerst and most horrendous
acts of Terroroism  yet -- making 911 look like kids stuff.)

While  the government was capable of having used the AIDS virus may
border on hyperbole, I think hyperbole from varied sources, in certain
doses, can be insightful. Most are smart and independent enough to
take things with a grin of salt. But the underlying message that the
government has and continues to do mass immoral things -- and that
this makes us vulnerable is a correct and powerful take-away.

 I was in China during the SAARS
 epidemic and I'm convinced that the SAARS epidemic was
 a man-made virus.  There was solid evidence for that,
 so the notion that someone could do that is not
 unthinkable.  Besides, there was the Tuskegee thing. 
 And here's another that people generally don't know
 about.  My mother was forced into working for the
 Americans after the war as a secret agent getting Nazi
 scientist out of East Germany and to America where
 they continued doing what they had been doing,
 including medical experiments on human beings.  Of
 course you can guess what color most of those human
 beings were, can't you?

 
 
 --- Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Doesn't matter I still agree with a lot of what he
  has said.  I just dont know who he is aligned with
  ...  I do believe Obama should have just left it
  alone.   But people do what they do.   His time at
  the NPC was lite hearted playing he looked more like
  a clown than anything else he definitely did not
  appear to be Anti American his opinions are just
  that opinions.  WHY IS THAT NOT ACCEPTABLE
  
  Pat Robertson has opinions no one is denouncing
  him
  
  Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Louis,
  I do not like the tone of the subject heading at
  all. 
  Seems awfully petty to me, seems like some folks are
  trying to make you look bad for having admired the
  wrong man.  A phrase like, Whose side are you on?
  is
  particularly stupid.  This is not a matter of taking
  sides.  
  
  So please just ignore those comments.  Consider
  their
  source. a
  
  
  
  --- Louis McKenzie  wrote:
  
   I dont understand what is going on or why?  Wright
   maybe working with the Clintons.  Or it may be
   something to keep people from dropping off.  I
  cant
   tell.
   
   shempmcgurk  wrote: What
   to do, Louis?
   
   You've expressed your admiration for BOTH Rev.
   Wright and Sen. Obama.  
   Yet now Sen. Obama has REALLY distanced himself
  from
   the good reverend:
   
   http://tinyurl.com/3kcnbb
   
   Whose side are you on?
   
   
   
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gee, Louis, looks like Obama no longer likes Wright

2008-04-30 Thread John
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
  
   I have Obama's jyotish chart.  His pastor or guru is 
   represented by a malefic Mercury.  Mercury is the lord 
   of the 64th navamsha.  As such, it very likely that this 
   pastor will seriously damage Obama's chances of getting 
   the Democratic nomination. 
  
  Wright's Jyotish chart notes that he's black, too.
  If you read enough into it, that is...
 
 Meant to type 'Obama' there, not 'Wright,' 
 but whatever...
 
 I tell you...the only thing that makes me
 roll my eyes in disbelief and horror more
 than people believing in Jyotish and astrology
 is their seemingly unshakable belief that a
 person's pastor of choice holds some kind of
 sway over them, or is a huge influence in 
 their lives.
 
 Duh...guys! That's cultthink. That's you
 remembering all the times YOU did stupid 
 things because Maharishi or some other guru
 told you to. Normal people don't DO that.
 They're smarter than that. In this respect,
 Barack Obama strikes me as pretty damned
 normal. 
 
 The problem is not who a candidate chooses
 to hang with. It's the belief in others that
 these people, whoever they are, exert an 
 undue influence on the candidate's thinking
 and decisions. I have a strong suspicion
 that if you did a study, the people who are
 most wary of Obama's association with Wright
 have a history *themselves* of doing what
 other people tell them to do, rather than
 thinking for themselves. So they assume that
 Obama is the same way. 
 
 I don't see that in the man's life. I see
 him as a refreshingly normal human being in
 a country filled with sheep. The sheep can't
 *get through the day* without being told what
 to do, and so they're constantly looking for
 the person or persons who tell Obama what to
 do. Me, I just look at this whole tempest in
 a pisspot and say Ba.
 
 Grow the fuck up. No one needs a guru or a 
 pastor or a self-appointed hall monitor to 
 tell them what to do and what to think and
 whether it's right or wrong. Everybody
 always knows. Give me a candidate any day
 who knows *this*.

Barry, get a hold of yourself.  You're going into a rant and jumping 
into conclusions without understanding jyotish and its applications 
to human life.  In jyoish, the house of the guru or the ninth house 
is very important in that it is the house of bhagya or luck.  It is 
also a house of dharma, meaning the field of moral principles which 
are needed to guide a human being in this lifetime.

In Obama's chart, Mercury is placed in the 10th house of career.  
Since Mercury is malefic as mentioned in previous post, Mercury will 
damage Obama's career, which is his work to become the president of 
the USA.  Mercury's negative effects are also pervasive in his 
navamsha chart, an important chart to verifying the natal chart 
indicators.

There are many other meanings that you are not considering in your 
criticism of the guru or the ninth house.  You need to read up on the 
basic jyotish principles instead of making sweeping generalizations 
based on superficial observations.

JR





[FairfieldLife] Re: Gee, Louis, looks like Obama no longer likes Wright

2008-04-30 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
I have Obama's jyotish chart.  His pastor or guru is 
represented by a malefic Mercury.  Mercury is the lord 
of the 64th navamsha.  As such, it very likely that this 
pastor will seriously damage Obama's chances of getting 
the Democratic nomination. 
   
   Wright's Jyotish chart notes that he's black, too.
   If you read enough into it, that is...
  
  Meant to type 'Obama' there, not 'Wright,' 
  but whatever...
  
  I tell you...the only thing that makes me
  roll my eyes in disbelief and horror more
  than people believing in Jyotish and astrology
  is their seemingly unshakable belief that a
  person's pastor of choice holds some kind of
  sway over them, or is a huge influence in 
  their lives.
  
  Duh...guys! That's cultthink. That's you
  remembering all the times YOU did stupid 
  things because Maharishi or some other guru
  told you to. Normal people don't DO that.
  They're smarter than that. In this respect,
  Barack Obama strikes me as pretty damned
  normal. 
  
  The problem is not who a candidate chooses
  to hang with. It's the belief in others that
  these people, whoever they are, exert an 
  undue influence on the candidate's thinking
  and decisions. I have a strong suspicion
  that if you did a study, the people who are
  most wary of Obama's association with Wright
  have a history *themselves* of doing what
  other people tell them to do, rather than
  thinking for themselves. So they assume that
  Obama is the same way. 
  
  I don't see that in the man's life. I see
  him as a refreshingly normal human being in
  a country filled with sheep. The sheep can't
  *get through the day* without being told what
  to do, and so they're constantly looking for
  the person or persons who tell Obama what to
  do. Me, I just look at this whole tempest in
  a pisspot and say Ba.
  
  Grow the fuck up. No one needs a guru or a 
  pastor or a self-appointed hall monitor to 
  tell them what to do and what to think and
  whether it's right or wrong. Everybody
  always knows. Give me a candidate any day
  who knows *this*.
 
 Barry, get a hold of yourself.  You're going into a rant and jumping 
 into conclusions without understanding jyotish and its applications 
 to human life.  In jyoish, the house of the guru or the ninth house 
 is very important in that it is the house of bhagya or luck.  It is 
 also a house of dharma, meaning the field of moral principles which 
 are needed to guide a human being in this lifetime.
 
 In Obama's chart, Mercury is placed in the 10th house of career.  
 Since Mercury is malefic as mentioned in previous post, Mercury will 
 damage Obama's career, which is his work to become the president of 
 the USA.  Mercury's negative effects are also pervasive in his 
 navamsha chart, an important chart to verifying the natal chart 
 indicators.
 
 There are many other meanings that you are not considering in your 
 criticism of the guru or the ninth house. You need to read up on the 
 basic jyotish principles instead of making sweeping generalizations 
 based on superficial observations.

I respect your right to believe anything 
you want. I think you should respect mine.

I don't need to do anything. I think that
the issue is that you want me to do something,
something that brings me around to your point
of view. 

The word for that is evangelism. Selling some-
one on your POV. 

I understand that at the time it feels like a 
noble task, sharing your knowledge with those 
who were just not fortunate enough to acquire
it the way you were. And it's a real rush. Been 
there, done that, got far too many T-shirts.

You nailed it. My post was a rant. But it was
*just* a rant, dude. I wasn't trying to sell
it to you as a way of life. 

You seem to be wanting very badly to sell me
Jyotish. 

I'm not buying.

No hard feelings. May the study of Jyotish bring
you many joys.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Gee, Louis, looks like Obama no longer likes Wright

2008-04-29 Thread John
I have Obama's jyotish chart.  His pastor or guru is represented by a 
malefic Mercury.  Mercury is the lord of the 64th navamsha.  As such, 
it very likely that this pastor will seriously damage Obama's chances 
of getting the Democratic nomination. 


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wrote:

 I dont understand what is going on or why?  Wright maybe working 
with the Clintons.  Or it may be something to keep people from 
dropping off.  I cant tell.
 
 shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What to do, Louis?
 
 You've expressed your admiration for BOTH Rev. Wright and Sen. 
Obama.  
 Yet now Sen. Obama has REALLY distanced himself from the good 
reverend:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/3kcnbb
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gee, Louis, looks like Obama no longer likes Wright

2008-04-29 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 What to do, Louis?

We could nominate Rev Wright? 
 
 You've expressed your admiration for BOTH Rev. Wright and Sen. Obama.  
 Yet now Sen. Obama has REALLY distanced himself from the good reverend:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/3kcnbb
 
 Whose side are you on?






[FairfieldLife] Re: Gee, Louis, looks like Obama no longer likes Wright

2008-04-29 Thread new . morning
Frankly, I like that Obama has a Rev Wright. I wish the crudeness of
current American politics did not force him to disown the good Rev.
Straight talking, perhaps emphatic, even hypebole-driven connections
can be balancing, invigorating and insightful. I hope Barack keeps
Wright as part of a transparent brain-trust and kitchen cabinet.

Politics today is so afraid of speaking something resembling the
truth. Its largely pandering. Few want to be told that we have
responsibilities, we have blames, we have burdens. America is not the
great shining knight of righteousness that it could have been. It has
goodness. And a lot of baggage, corruption, weak thinking and
calloused hearts. I think Lincoln and Jefferson would weep at viewing
today's America. Wright is a force, not alone, but one of many,
together that can help steer us back to the highest form of the
American Spirit. I hope Barack keeps the door open to Wright. If he
doesn't, he is less different than Hill than I would like to believe.


 
   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Louis,
 I do not like the tone of the subject heading at all. 
 Seems awfully petty to me, seems like some folks are
 trying to make you look bad for having admired the
 wrong man.  A phrase like, Whose side are you on? is
 particularly stupid.  This is not a matter of taking
 sides.  
 
 So please just ignore those comments.  Consider their
 source. a
 
 
 
 --- Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I dont understand what is going on or why?  Wright
  maybe working with the Clintons.  Or it may be
  something to keep people from dropping off.  I cant
  tell.
  
  shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What
  to do, Louis?
  
  You've expressed your admiration for BOTH Rev.
  Wright and Sen. Obama.  
  Yet now Sen. Obama has REALLY distanced himself from
  the good reverend:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/3kcnbb
  
  Whose side are you on?
  
  
  
  
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gee, Louis, looks like Obama no longer likes Wright

2008-04-29 Thread Louis McKenzie
I AGREE

new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frankly, I like that Obama has a Rev 
Wright. I wish the crudeness of
current American politics did not force him to disown the good Rev.
Straight talking, perhaps emphatic, even hypebole-driven connections
can be balancing, invigorating and insightful. I hope Barack keeps
Wright as part of a transparent brain-trust and kitchen cabinet.

Politics today is so afraid of speaking something resembling the
truth. Its largely pandering. Few want to be told that we have
responsibilities, we have blames, we have burdens. America is not the
great shining knight of righteousness that it could have been. It has
goodness. And a lot of baggage, corruption, weak thinking and
calloused hearts. I think Lincoln and Jefferson would weep at viewing
today's America. Wright is a force, not alone, but one of many,
together that can help steer us back to the highest form of the
American Spirit. I hope Barack keeps the door open to Wright. If he
doesn't, he is less different than Hill than I would like to believe.


 
   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
 wrote:

 Louis,
 I do not like the tone of the subject heading at all. 
 Seems awfully petty to me, seems like some folks are
 trying to make you look bad for having admired the
 wrong man.  A phrase like, Whose side are you on? is
 particularly stupid.  This is not a matter of taking
 sides.  
 
 So please just ignore those comments.  Consider their
 source. a
 
 
 
 --- Louis McKenzie  wrote:
 
  I dont understand what is going on or why?  Wright
  maybe working with the Clintons.  Or it may be
  something to keep people from dropping off.  I cant
  tell.
  
  shempmcgurk  wrote: What
  to do, Louis?
  
  You've expressed your admiration for BOTH Rev.
  Wright and Sen. Obama.  
  Yet now Sen. Obama has REALLY distanced himself from
  the good reverend:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/3kcnbb
  
  Whose side are you on?
  
  
  
  
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
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