[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?
This website may help you. They've helped hundreds of people such as yourself. Here are the references to the MSAE: http://tmfree.blogspot.com/ Om Dear, is a bum steer this gives you. To those Fallen away meditators who strayed from the path. Troubled animals didn't get to the end. A Disgruntled lot. Troubled animals. Non-meditators. Yup, clearly a troubled and negative down-in-the-mouth type of people on that anti-meditation web site. Pitiable types in life of less than 200 on that Power vs. Force David Hawkins scale of consciousness. Evidently 175 and falling on the Map of consciousness logarithmic scale of 1000. http://consciousnessproject.org/articles/hawkins-map-of-consciousness/ Death, 'tis a melancholy day To those who have no transcendence, When the poor soul is forced away To seek her last abode. In vain to heav'n she lifts her eyes, For guilt a heavy chain, Still drags her downward from the skies To darkness, fire and pain.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?
This website may help you. They've helped hundreds of people such as yourself. Here are the references to the MSAE: http://tmfree.blogspot.com/ Om Dear, is a bum steer this gives you. To those Fallen away meditators who strayed from the path. Troubled animals didn't get to the end. A Disgruntled lot. Troubled animals. Non-meditators. Death, 'tis a melancholy day To those who have no transcendence, When the poor soul is forced away To seek her last abode. In vain to heav'n she lifts her eyes, For guilt a heavy chain, Still drags her downward from the skies To darkness, fire and pain.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?
I haven't had contact with Deans in over 27 years but I knew him when he was a regular working stiff and I can tell you this: he was the most successful person in his field, was a go-getter, and there wasn't anything spaced out about the guy. This is not someone who had to escape to the confines of the Movement because he couldn't make it in the real world. He outshined everyone in the real world. The medical term is ideology, it rots the brain and makes intelligent people do stupid things. There are plenty of examples in the TMO of otherwise bright well organized people who get infected with ideology and then behave as if they've had parts of their brains removed. Technically they have, but without having had the operation, they've silently shut down parts of their intelligence in order to be with the group. It's not something that's unique to the TMO, other groups can get infected too. In fact so common that it's the rule rather than the exception. Look at the number of otherwise bright scientists who think that the laws of thermodynamics no longer apply to the earth's atmosphere and therefore by some miracle increasing CO2 isn't going to make the earth warmer. A simple hand calculation, as Fourier did in 1845, would show that it can't possibly work like that, yet to be with the group they'll shut off parts of their brains and believe obvious nonsense even though they have the intelligence and training to actually sit down and do a hand calculation to show that it's nonsense. Michael Shermer in The borderlands of science relates an example of someone being hypnotized to forget that the number 8 exists. They'll count on their fingers 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,9,10,11. They know the real answer is not 11 but they can't work out why they keep getting 11 when they count their fingers. Even an explanation won't help them, they have to be un-hypnotized to be able to see the number 8 again. Google groupthink for other examples of clever people doing dumb things. If Ashley Deans was taken out of the TMO and recovered his intelligence he'd most likely be a very sensible person.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?
Can you list for a moment what were some of the positives and neagtives in that preschool through 12 experience. Glimpses we have in the past range from the scandalous, to strong friendships being forged. Care to share? Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, therewillbeli...@... no_re...@... wrote: Hey all--this is my first time posting after lots of lurking. I grew up in FF and attended MSAE from preschool through 12th grade. I haven't practiced TM or the Sidhis since I graduated and I have mixed feelings about the TMO. As most of you know, the school was far from ideal. I'm just wondering if it's improved at all since Dr. Deans left. I always thought he was a bumbling idiot, but I chalked my opinion up to the fact that I was a disillusioned teenager. I was just discussing it with my mother (both of my parents are still in the TMO) and she said the parents felt the same way about Dr. Deans. I digress. There have been some positive changes at MUM from what I've heard, and I hope those changed have carried over to MSAE.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , therewillbeli...@... no_re...@... wrote: All I know is that he was not the right person to be head of MSAE and almost everyone felt that way. There was a major disconnect between him and the student/parents. I have no doubt that he had good intentions, he simply wasn't tuned in and therefore came across as a bumbling idiot despite his intelligence in other areas. He's more of a University academic type I think. He didn't ask for the job I don't think, and he's always a good speaker and advocate. Maharishi always put people in positions they did not seem right for at first, but it is possible that his position there had other effects that are still to unfold. I have seen this happen with other things Maharishi implemented, and I find myself ranting with a friend about the craziness of something but then end up concluding that, in fact, it was the best thing to do, or that something occured because of it that I hadn't thought of. There are many things I still think are crazy though, the middle of Kansas for example, and weighing a man in his weight in gold, trying to close down the souhern entrances of countries, and tying to build the tallest building in the world, but who knows, maybe I'll be proven wrong, but probably not in this lifetime :-) Ashley Deans as Principal is down right rational compared to these others. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , therewillbelight@ no_reply@ wrote: Hey all--this is my first time posting after lots of lurking. I grew up in FF and attended MSAE from preschool through 12th grade. I haven't practiced TM or the Sidhis since I graduated and I have mixed feelings about the TMO. As most of you know, the school was far from ideal. I'm just wondering if it's improved at all since Dr. Deans left. I always thought he was a bumbling idiot, but I chalked my opinion up to the fact that I was a disillusioned teenager. I was just discussing it with my mother (both of my parents are still in the TMO) and she said the parents felt the same way about Dr. Deans. I digress. There have been some positive changes at MUM from what I've heard, and I hope those changed have carried over to MSAE. I haven't had contact with Deans in over 27 years but I knew him when he was a regular working stiff and I can tell you this: he was the most successful person in his field, was a go-getter, and there wasn't anything spaced out about the guy. This is not someone who had to escape to the confines of the Movement because he couldn't make it in the real world. He outshined everyone in the real world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: I have seen this happen with other things Maharishi implemented, and I find myself ranting with a friend about the craziness of something but then end up concluding that, in fact, it was the best thing to do, such as? or that something occured because of it that I hadn't thought of. such as? There are many things I still think are crazy though, the middle of Kansas for example, and weighing a man in his weight in gold, trying to close down the souhern entrances of countries, and tying to build the tallest building in the world, but who knows, maybe I'll be proven wrong, but probably not in this lifetime :-) Ashley Deans as Principal is down right rational compared to these others. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , therewillbelight@ no_reply@ wrote: Hey all--this is my first time posting after lots of lurking. I grew up in FF and attended MSAE from preschool through 12th grade. I haven't practiced TM or the Sidhis since I graduated and I have mixed feelings about the TMO. As most of you know, the school was far from ideal. I'm just wondering if it's improved at all since Dr. Deans left. I always thought he was a bumbling idiot, but I chalked my opinion up to the fact that I was a disillusioned teenager. I was just discussing it with my mother (both of my parents are still in the TMO) and she said the parents felt the same way about Dr. Deans. I digress. There have been some positive changes at MUM from what I've heard, and I hope those changed have carried over to MSAE. I haven't had contact with Deans in over 27 years but I knew him when he was a regular working stiff and I can tell you this: he was the most successful person in his field, was a go-getter, and there wasn't anything spaced out about the guy. This is not someone who had to escape to the confines of the Movement because he couldn't make it in the real world. He outshined everyone in the real world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?
Thanks for the feedback. One thing you may want to consider is a support group, or individual therapy or both. Talking through issues, and sharing them with others with similiar experiences can really help in sorting stuff out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, therewillbeli...@... no_re...@... wrote: As with everything, there was good and bad. I had some fabulous teachers, some horrible teachers, and lots of in-between teachers. The only really scandalous thing I remember was when a teacher was fired because he allegedly had sexual fantasies about his students. Overall I have more unpleasant memories than pleasant ones of my MSAE years. I was not a happy child in general and I have no way of knowing if I would have been happier at another school. I struggled a lot, academically and emotionally, during high school. The school did nothing to help and in many ways made it worse. It still makes me angry when MSAE is touted as being an ideal school and that every student can excel, because that is complete and utter BS. It's ideal for the few people who fit their mold. They were clueless about how to deal with anyone who didn't fit the mold. We were made to believe that there was something wrong with us. I remember one time during 12th grade SCI class when the tescher talking about how TM is a cure for everything, I burst into tears. If TM could cure everything, why did I have all these issues? What was I doing wrong. I didn't smoke, drink, do drugs, or have sex (unlike several other students). I did my program every day. Why wasn't I cured? I was tought that there was only one right way to do things and when I was younger I was very judgmental of any non-meditators. My parents, though still in the TMO, have become much more open-minded in recent years and I'm very grateful that they respect my beliefs. My wish for MSAE is that they stop the false advertising and learn to better accomodate people who don't fit their mold. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Can you list for a moment what were some of the positives and neagtives in that preschool through 12 experience. Glimpses we have in the past range from the scandalous, to strong friendships being forged. Care to share? Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, therewillbelight@ no_reply@ wrote: Hey all--this is my first time posting after lots of lurking. I grew up in FF and attended MSAE from preschool through 12th grade. I haven't practiced TM or the Sidhis since I graduated and I have mixed feelings about the TMO. As most of you know, the school was far from ideal. I'm just wondering if it's improved at all since Dr. Deans left. I always thought he was a bumbling idiot, but I chalked my opinion up to the fact that I was a disillusioned teenager. I was just discussing it with my mother (both of my parents are still in the TMO) and she said the parents felt the same way about Dr. Deans. I digress. There have been some positive changes at MUM from what I've heard, and I hope those changed have carried over to MSAE.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?
On Dec 20, 2009, at 10:22 AM, therewillbeli...@ymail.com wrote: As with everything, there was good and bad. I had some fabulous teachers, some horrible teachers, and lots of in-between teachers. The only really scandalous thing I remember was when a teacher was fired because he allegedly had sexual fantasies about his students. He was fired over *fantasies*? That's it? Everyone has fantasies. What he really should have been fired for was being stupid enough to tell anyone. Overall I have more unpleasant memories than pleasant ones of my MSAE years. I was not a happy child in general and I have no way of knowing if I would have been happier at another school. I struggled a lot, academically and emotionally, during high school. The school did nothing to help and in many ways made it worse. It still makes me angry when MSAE is touted as being an ideal school and that every student can excel, because that is complete and utter BS. We've discussed this any number of times here, light, and the general consensus seems to be that the whole ideal thing has taken a big beating in the last few years, with the school currently struggling--combining different grades, giving deals, and even bringing in counselors-- finally!--in recognition that many students there have problems that go beyond what they can deal with in the classroom. It's ideal for the few people who fit their mold. They were clueless about how to deal with anyone who didn't fit the mold. We were made to believe that there was something wrong with us. I remember one time during 12th grade SCI class when the tescher talking about how TM is a cure for everything, I burst into tears. If TM could cure everything, why did I have all these issues? What was I doing wrong. I didn't smoke, drink, do drugs, or have sex (unlike several other students). I did my program every day. Why wasn't I cured? I was tought that there was only one right way to do things and when I was younger I was very judgmental of any non-meditators. Ah, memories. :) My parents, though still in the TMO, have become much more open-minded in recent years and I'm very grateful that they respect my beliefs. My wish for MSAE is that they stop the false advertising and learn to better accomodate people who don't fit their mold. False advertising or not, they're not fooling anyone. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?
Thanks for the suggestion. I am in therapy and I find it quite helpful. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: Thanks for the feedback. One thing you may want to consider is a support group, or individual therapy or both. Talking through issues, and sharing them with others with similiar experiences can really help in sorting stuff out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, therewillbelight@ no_reply@ wrote: As with everything, there was good and bad. I had some fabulous teachers, some horrible teachers, and lots of in-between teachers. The only really scandalous thing I remember was when a teacher was fired because he allegedly had sexual fantasies about his students. Overall I have more unpleasant memories than pleasant ones of my MSAE years. I was not a happy child in general and I have no way of knowing if I would have been happier at another school. I struggled a lot, academically and emotionally, during high school. The school did nothing to help and in many ways made it worse. It still makes me angry when MSAE is touted as being an ideal school and that every student can excel, because that is complete and utter BS. It's ideal for the few people who fit their mold. They were clueless about how to deal with anyone who didn't fit the mold. We were made to believe that there was something wrong with us. I remember one time during 12th grade SCI class when the tescher talking about how TM is a cure for everything, I burst into tears. If TM could cure everything, why did I have all these issues? What was I doing wrong. I didn't smoke, drink, do drugs, or have sex (unlike several other students). I did my program every day. Why wasn't I cured? I was tought that there was only one right way to do things and when I was younger I was very judgmental of any non-meditators. My parents, though still in the TMO, have become much more open-minded in recent years and I'm very grateful that they respect my beliefs. My wish for MSAE is that they stop the false advertising and learn to better accomodate people who don't fit their mold. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Can you list for a moment what were some of the positives and neagtives in that preschool through 12 experience. Glimpses we have in the past range from the scandalous, to strong friendships being forged. Care to share? Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, therewillbelight@ no_reply@ wrote: Hey all--this is my first time posting after lots of lurking. I grew up in FF and attended MSAE from preschool through 12th grade. I haven't practiced TM or the Sidhis since I graduated and I have mixed feelings about the TMO. As most of you know, the school was far from ideal. I'm just wondering if it's improved at all since Dr. Deans left. I always thought he was a bumbling idiot, but I chalked my opinion up to the fact that I was a disillusioned teenager. I was just discussing it with my mother (both of my parents are still in the TMO) and she said the parents felt the same way about Dr. Deans. I digress. There have been some positive changes at MUM from what I've heard, and I hope those changed have carried over to MSAE.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?
On Dec 20, 2009, at 5:56 PM, therewillbeli...@ymail.com wrote: Thanks for the suggestion. I am in therapy and I find it quite helpful. :) This website may help you. They've helped hundreds of people such as yourself. Here are the references to the MSAE: http://tmfree.blogspot.com/search?q=MSAE
[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: I have seen this happen with other things Maharishi implemented, and I find myself ranting with a friend about the craziness of something but then end up concluding that, in fact, it was the best thing to do, such as? Like when he collected the High Heap of Hazards of modern medicine and made a pile out of them. Like when he said that democracy is a sham, like when he said that the UK and US were dealing too much in arms and that that was very dangerous to the world, like when he said Capitalism will fall, like when he practically ignored 9/11 and went on as if it never happened, like when he tore down all the non-Stapatya Ved buildings at MUM and replaced them, like when he told John Fagan to get out of genetics research, and John Hagelin to forget about physics, like when he raised vast sums of money from the West and then spent it in India, like when he said science will glimpse the Age of Enlightenment, and so and so on. All of these were unclear at first, but make total sense now. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , therewillbeli...@... no_re...@... wrote: As with everything, there was good and bad. I had some fabulous teachers, some horrible teachers, and lots of in-between teachers. The only really scandalous thing I remember was when a teacher was fired because he allegedly had sexual fantasies about his students. Overall I have more unpleasant memories than pleasant ones of my MSAE years. I was not a happy child in general and I have no way of knowing if I would have been happier at another school. I struggled a lot, academically and emotionally, during high school. The school did nothing to help and in many ways made it worse. It still makes me angry when MSAE is touted as being an ideal school and that every student can excel, because that is complete and utter BS. It's ideal for the few people who fit their mold. They were clueless about how to deal with anyone who didn't fit the mold. We were made to believe that there was something wrong with us. I remember one time during 12th grade SCI class when the tescher talking about how TM is a cure for everything, I burst into tears. If TM could cure everything, why did I have all these issues? What was I doing wrong. I didn't smoke, drink, do drugs, or have sex (unlike several other students). I did my program every day. Why wasn't I cured? I don't understand, what did you need to be cured of? OffWorld I was tought that there was only one right way to do things and when I was younger I was very judgmental of any non-meditators. My parents, though still in the TMO, have become much more open-minded in recent years and I'm very grateful that they respect my beliefs. My wish for MSAE is that they stop the false advertising and learn to better accomodate people who don't fit their mold. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Can you list for a moment what were some of the positives and neagtives in that preschool through 12 experience. Glimpses we have in the past range from the scandalous, to strong friendships being forged. Care to share? Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , therewillbelight@ no_reply@ wrote: Hey all--this is my first time posting after lots of lurking. I grew up in FF and attended MSAE from preschool through 12th grade. I haven't practiced TM or the Sidhis since I graduated and I have mixed feelings about the TMO. As most of you know, the school was far from ideal. I'm just wondering if it's improved at all since Dr. Deans left. I always thought he was a bumbling idiot, but I chalked my opinion up to the fact that I was a disillusioned teenager. I was just discussing it with my mother (both of my parents are still in the TMO) and she said the parents felt the same way about Dr. Deans. I digress. There have been some positive changes at MUM from what I've heard, and I hope those changed have carried over to MSAE.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, therewillbeli...@... no_re...@... wrote: All I know is that he was not the right person to be head of MSAE and almost everyone felt that way. There was a major disconnect between him and the student/parents. I have no doubt that he had good intentions, he simply wasn't tuned in and therefore came across as a bumbling idiot despite his intelligence in other areas. Om Well, it is doing better. Evidently he got kicked upstairs the disconnect got so bad. He got removed by sending him out to lecture and present about consciousness-based education/ MSAE. as a traveling consultant/expert to MSAE schools starting elsewhere. That allowed the school here to bring in real educators in his place to run the school. Was in near collapse but is going better now. But not well. The disconnect problem still exists in the few non-professional ideologue types leftover in the school. President office types, sort of like Bush administration appointees put in to jobs because of their party loyalty more than ability or real or real credentialed professionalism. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, therewillbelight@ no_reply@ wrote: Hey all--this is my first time posting after lots of lurking. I grew up in FF and attended MSAE from preschool through 12th grade. I haven't practiced TM or the Sidhis since I graduated and I have mixed feelings about the TMO. As most of you know, the school was far from ideal. I'm just wondering if it's improved at all since Dr. Deans left. I always thought he was a bumbling idiot, but I chalked my opinion up to the fact that I was a disillusioned teenager. I was just discussing it with my mother (both of my parents are still in the TMO) and she said the parents felt the same way about Dr. Deans. I digress. There have been some positive changes at MUM from what I've heard, and I hope those changed have carried over to MSAE. I haven't had contact with Deans in over 27 years but I knew him when he was a regular working stiff and I can tell you this: he was the most successful person in his field, was a go-getter, and there wasn't anything spaced out about the guy. This is not someone who had to escape to the confines of the Movement because he couldn't make it in the real world. He outshined everyone in the real world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, therewillbeli...@... no_re...@... wrote: As with everything, there was good and bad. I had some fabulous teachers, some horrible teachers, and lots of in-between teachers. The only really scandalous thing I remember was when a teacher was fired because he allegedly had sexual fantasies about his students. Overall I have more unpleasant memories than pleasant ones of my MSAE years. I was not a happy child in general and I have no way of knowing if I would have been happier at another school. I struggled a lot, academically and emotionally, during high school. The school did nothing to help and in many ways made it worse. It still makes me angry when MSAE is touted as being an ideal school and that every student can excel, because that is complete and utter BS. It's ideal for the few people who fit their mold. They were clueless about how to deal with anyone who didn't fit the mold. We were made to believe that there was something wrong with us. I remember one time during 12th grade SCI class when the tescher talking about how TM is a cure for everything, I burst into tears. If TM could cure everything, why did I have all these issues? What was I doing wrong. I didn't smoke, drink, do drugs, or have sex (unlike several other students). I did my program every day. Why wasn't I cured? I was tought that there was only one right way to do things and when I was younger I was very judgmental of any non-meditators. My parents, though still in the TMO, have become much more open-minded in recent years and I'm very grateful that they respect my beliefs. My wish for MSAE is that they stop the false advertising and learn to better accomodate people who don't fit their mold. This is where the TMO really screws up. It's a great technique but it isn't a magic pill, yet it is sold like that and, of course, it creates false expectations.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, therewillbeli...@... no_re...@... wrote: Hey all--this is my first time posting after lots of lurking. I grew up in FF and attended MSAE from preschool through 12th grade. I haven't practiced TM or the Sidhis since I graduated and I have mixed feelings about the TMO. As most of you know, the school was far from ideal. I'm just wondering if it's improved at all since Dr. Deans left. I always thought he was a bumbling idiot, but I chalked my opinion up to the fact that I was a disillusioned teenager. I was just discussing it with my mother (both of my parents are still in the TMO) and she said the parents felt the same way about Dr. Deans. I digress. There have been some positive changes at MUM from what I've heard, and I hope those changed have carried over to MSAE. I haven't had contact with Deans in over 27 years but I knew him when he was a regular working stiff and I can tell you this: he was the most successful person in his field, was a go-getter, and there wasn't anything spaced out about the guy. This is not someone who had to escape to the confines of the Movement because he couldn't make it in the real world. He outshined everyone in the real world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?
All I know is that he was not the right person to be head of MSAE and almost everyone felt that way. There was a major disconnect between him and the student/parents. I have no doubt that he had good intentions, he simply wasn't tuned in and therefore came across as a bumbling idiot despite his intelligence in other areas. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, therewillbelight@ no_reply@ wrote: Hey all--this is my first time posting after lots of lurking. I grew up in FF and attended MSAE from preschool through 12th grade. I haven't practiced TM or the Sidhis since I graduated and I have mixed feelings about the TMO. As most of you know, the school was far from ideal. I'm just wondering if it's improved at all since Dr. Deans left. I always thought he was a bumbling idiot, but I chalked my opinion up to the fact that I was a disillusioned teenager. I was just discussing it with my mother (both of my parents are still in the TMO) and she said the parents felt the same way about Dr. Deans. I digress. There have been some positive changes at MUM from what I've heard, and I hope those changed have carried over to MSAE. I haven't had contact with Deans in over 27 years but I knew him when he was a regular working stiff and I can tell you this: he was the most successful person in his field, was a go-getter, and there wasn't anything spaced out about the guy. This is not someone who had to escape to the confines of the Movement because he couldn't make it in the real world. He outshined everyone in the real world.
