[FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brian64705 wrote: > > I sent your comment to James Fox via Facebook and he > responded: > > I've got more info coming VERY soon that will support > my oberservations of a strong military presence in > that area. I also have footage from the air of the > oil marching into the shores and wet lands coming > within 5 hours. Thank you for writing to me and keep > in touch, > > james He doesn't address any of my objections to the claims he made in the original phone interview, actually. The military he's seeing are Louisiana National Guard troops who are helping with cleanup: http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/national_guard_troops_build_fl.html http://tinyurl.com/2cturp7 And the invasion of the Louisiana wetlands (as far as 20 miles inland) by the oil has been very widely reported in the media, so that's no great revelation. In view of recent media headlines being much worse than was thought, I should note that when I said-- > > > There's some uncertainty about the exact volume > > > of the oil flow, but it simply isn't the case > > > that the disaster is "much bigger than what is > > > being reported" --I was referring to the notion being promoted by some that (1) the spill is *many times* greater than was being reported, and that (2) its immense size was being kept secret. If you go with the earliest government estimates of 5,000 barrels per day--as some of the media stories are doing because it makes for a better story--yes, it's many times greater than that; the most responsible new estimates cite an upper amount of 40,000 bpd. (Some are claiming upwards of 100,000 bpd, but there doesn't appear to be any evidence for it being that much.) But that 5,000 bpd estimate was demolished fairly quickly by a government-sponsored panel of scientists who figured it was somewhere between 15,000 and 25,000 bpd. The new higher amount of 40,000 bpd is less than twice the previous one. And again, as these increasingly high estimates are being arrived at, they're reported right away. Nobody really knows for sure; it's extremely difficult to get a close estimate because the situation is so complicated.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf
Of course we don't own all the oil in the Gulf. China and Vietnam are, or will be, drilling there along with everybody else. So we can stop our drilling and leave all that oil to the Cubans, Vietnamese and Chinese who, I'm sure, don't have near the technical skill American and European companies do. From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 12:37:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf Ban BP here and it suddenly is "drilling for oil for Mexico." Who says that America owns all the oil in the gulf? No one. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > For those of us who would like to end this madness of predatory > corporations BP has done us a big favor as they're showing the world how > incompetent big corporations can be. Hopefully this will spark interest > in banning the size of companies throughout the world. To just ban > them in the US won't do because they'll just go off to someplace like > Dubai and headquarter there. So we also have to get the populace in > places like that in on program too. > > brian64705 wrote: > > Flight over the oil spill yesterday here: > > http://www.youtube.com/user/jamescfox > > > > Flight over BP Oil disaster Day 52 with Marine Biologist, Dr. Carl Safina > > From: jamescfox | June 11, 2010 | 3,225 views > > James Fox flew over the BP Gulf oil disaster with Marine Biologist Dr. Carl > > Safina who's president of Blue Ocean Institute on day 52 of the BP Oil > > spill. What we saw and documented was horrific. > > This flight was made possible by Gulf Restoration Network. Video produced > > by James Fox and Jette Newell with help from Associate Producers Cara Fay > > and Ann Morton. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf
Ban BP here and it suddenly is "drilling for oil for Mexico." Who says that America owns all the oil in the gulf? No one. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > For those of us who would like to end this madness of predatory > corporations BP has done us a big favor as they're showing the world how > incompetent big corporations can be. Hopefully this will spark interest > in banning the size of companies throughout the world. To just ban > them in the US won't do because they'll just go off to someplace like > Dubai and headquarter there. So we also have to get the populace in > places like that in on program too. > > brian64705 wrote: > > Flight over the oil spill yesterday here: > > http://www.youtube.com/user/jamescfox > > > > Flight over BP Oil disaster Day 52 with Marine Biologist, Dr. Carl Safina > > From: jamescfox | June 11, 2010 | 3,225 views > > James Fox flew over the BP Gulf oil disaster with Marine Biologist Dr. Carl > > Safina who's president of Blue Ocean Institute on day 52 of the BP Oil > > spill. What we saw and documented was horrific. > > This flight was made possible by Gulf Restoration Network. Video produced > > by James Fox and Jette Newell with help from Associate Producers Cara Fay > > and Ann Morton. > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf
For those of us who would like to end this madness of predatory corporations BP has done us a big favor as they're showing the world how incompetent big corporations can be. Hopefully this will spark interest in banning the size of companies throughout the world. To just ban them in the US won't do because they'll just go off to someplace like Dubai and headquarter there. So we also have to get the populace in places like that in on program too. brian64705 wrote: > Flight over the oil spill yesterday here: > http://www.youtube.com/user/jamescfox > > Flight over BP Oil disaster Day 52 with Marine Biologist, Dr. Carl Safina > From: jamescfox | June 11, 2010 | 3,225 views > James Fox flew over the BP Gulf oil disaster with Marine Biologist Dr. Carl > Safina who's president of Blue Ocean Institute on day 52 of the BP Oil spill. > What we saw and documented was horrific. > This flight was made possible by Gulf Restoration Network. Video produced by > James Fox and Jette Newell with help from Associate Producers Cara Fay and > Ann Morton. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf
They weren't shot down? From: brian64705 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 11:48:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf Flight over the oil spill yesterday here: http://www.youtube.com/user/jamescfox Flight over BP Oil disaster Day 52 with Marine Biologist, Dr. Carl Safina From: jamescfox | June 11, 2010 | 3,225 views James Fox flew over the BP Gulf oil disaster with Marine Biologist Dr. Carl Safina who's president of Blue Ocean Institute on day 52 of the BP Oil spill. What we saw and documented was horrific. This flight was made possible by Gulf Restoration Network. Video produced by James Fox and Jette Newell with help from Associate Producers Cara Fay and Ann Morton. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > Thom Hartmann on this: > > Thom's blog > Is BP Enforcing a No Fly Zone? > Late last month, Mississippi state House Speaker Billy McCoy (D) and Lt. > Gov. Phil Bryant (R) started a select committee to look into the BP oil > spill and would hold hearings this week. McCoy said, "The people of > Mississippi deserve to know how this happened and what the future may hold > for this most valuable part of our state." However, earlier this week, BP > wrote a letter saying it wouldn't be showing up for the three-day hearings > this week. They, after all, are corporate royalty and don't need to respond > to the demands of mere elected officials of the state whose oil they're > taking and selling to China. > > In a related issue, I interviewed extensively a charter airplane operator in > Louisiana who said that during the first four weeks after the BP Oil > explosion a area of Temporary Flight Restriction or TFR extended 30 miles or > so around the Deepwater Horizon and has since expanded to cover virtually > every place that oil is in the water or hitting wetlands or land. This > representative noted that the command center for the crisis - out of which > the Coast Guard and other federal agencies are operating - is headquartered > in a BP training facility and, until the intervention of Louisiana Senator > David Vitter, whenever charter flight operators called for permission to fly > into the TFR they were extensively questioned about who they had on board > the plane, and if it was the press the right to fly over the area was > routinely denied. > > In the past few days, though, since the administration has moved from a > position of helping BP cover up the extent of their crime by spraying > dispersants and keeping the press out to a position of actively challenging > BP, flights are being allowed into the area with press aboard. > > -Thom >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf
Flight over the oil spill yesterday here: http://www.youtube.com/user/jamescfox Flight over BP Oil disaster Day 52 with Marine Biologist, Dr. Carl Safina From: jamescfox | June 11, 2010 | 3,225 views James Fox flew over the BP Gulf oil disaster with Marine Biologist Dr. Carl Safina who's president of Blue Ocean Institute on day 52 of the BP Oil spill. What we saw and documented was horrific. This flight was made possible by Gulf Restoration Network. Video produced by James Fox and Jette Newell with help from Associate Producers Cara Fay and Ann Morton. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > Thom Hartmann on this: > > Thom's blog > Is BP Enforcing a No Fly Zone? > Late last month, Mississippi state House Speaker Billy McCoy (D) and Lt. > Gov. Phil Bryant (R) started a select committee to look into the BP oil > spill and would hold hearings this week. McCoy said, "The people of > Mississippi deserve to know how this happened and what the future may hold > for this most valuable part of our state." However, earlier this week, BP > wrote a letter saying it wouldn't be showing up for the three-day hearings > this week. They, after all, are corporate royalty and don't need to respond > to the demands of mere elected officials of the state whose oil they're > taking and selling to China. > > In a related issue, I interviewed extensively a charter airplane operator in > Louisiana who said that during the first four weeks after the BP Oil > explosion a area of Temporary Flight Restriction or TFR extended 30 miles or > so around the Deepwater Horizon and has since expanded to cover virtually > every place that oil is in the water or hitting wetlands or land. This > representative noted that the command center for the crisis - out of which > the Coast Guard and other federal agencies are operating - is headquartered > in a BP training facility and, until the intervention of Louisiana Senator > David Vitter, whenever charter flight operators called for permission to fly > into the TFR they were extensively questioned about who they had on board > the plane, and if it was the press the right to fly over the area was > routinely denied. > > In the past few days, though, since the administration has moved from a > position of helping BP cover up the extent of their crime by spraying > dispersants and keeping the press out to a position of actively challenging > BP, flights are being allowed into the area with press aboard. > > -Thom >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf
Link to FAA pages with the flight restrictions and map: http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_0_5100.html Rick Archer wrote: > Thom Hartmann on this: > > Thom's blog > Is BP Enforcing a No Fly Zone? > Late last month, Mississippi state House Speaker Billy McCoy (D) and Lt. > Gov. Phil Bryant (R) started a select committee to look into the BP oil > spill and would hold hearings this week. McCoy said, "The people of > Mississippi deserve to know how this happened and what the future may hold > for this most valuable part of our state." However, earlier this week, BP > wrote a letter saying it wouldn't be showing up for the three-day hearings > this week. They, after all, are corporate royalty and don't need to respond > to the demands of mere elected officials of the state whose oil they're > taking and selling to China. > > In a related issue, I interviewed extensively a charter airplane operator in > Louisiana who said that during the first four weeks after the BP Oil > explosion a area of Temporary Flight Restriction or TFR extended 30 miles or > so around the Deepwater Horizon and has since expanded to cover virtually > every place that oil is in the water or hitting wetlands or land. This > representative noted that the command center for the crisis - out of which > the Coast Guard and other federal agencies are operating - is headquartered > in a BP training facility and, until the intervention of Louisiana Senator > David Vitter, whenever charter flight operators called for permission to fly > into the TFR they were extensively questioned about who they had on board > the plane, and if it was the press the right to fly over the area was > routinely denied. > > In the past few days, though, since the administration has moved from a > position of helping BP cover up the extent of their crime by spraying > dispersants and keeping the press out to a position of actively challenging > BP, flights are being allowed into the area with press aboard. > > -Thom > >
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf
Thom Hartmann on this: Thom's blog Is BP Enforcing a No Fly Zone? Late last month, Mississippi state House Speaker Billy McCoy (D) and Lt. Gov. Phil Bryant (R) started a select committee to look into the BP oil spill and would hold hearings this week. McCoy said, "The people of Mississippi deserve to know how this happened and what the future may hold for this most valuable part of our state." However, earlier this week, BP wrote a letter saying it wouldn't be showing up for the three-day hearings this week. They, after all, are corporate royalty and don't need to respond to the demands of mere elected officials of the state whose oil they're taking and selling to China. In a related issue, I interviewed extensively a charter airplane operator in Louisiana who said that during the first four weeks after the BP Oil explosion a area of Temporary Flight Restriction or TFR extended 30 miles or so around the Deepwater Horizon and has since expanded to cover virtually every place that oil is in the water or hitting wetlands or land. This representative noted that the command center for the crisis - out of which the Coast Guard and other federal agencies are operating - is headquartered in a BP training facility and, until the intervention of Louisiana Senator David Vitter, whenever charter flight operators called for permission to fly into the TFR they were extensively questioned about who they had on board the plane, and if it was the press the right to fly over the area was routinely denied. In the past few days, though, since the administration has moved from a position of helping BP cover up the extent of their crime by spraying dispersants and keeping the press out to a position of actively challenging BP, flights are being allowed into the area with press aboard. -Thom
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Thom Hartmann is reporting on this morning and talking with a congressman who is going to look into this. This story also broke a week ago when he interviewed marine biologist Riki Ott and she reported that the pilot she was flying with over the area mentioned flight restrictions. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/249257 gullible fool wrote: > > This story is reported by Mel Fabregas. He lost credibility with me by > pouring it on so thick. So, I put his name into a google search box expecting > he would show up as an extremist. Sure enough, the blurb on the very first > search hit says: > > The Veritas Show with Mel Fabregas is a weekly show exploring exopolitics, > UFO and paranornmal phenomenona, conspiracies and current world events. > > Now, I'm not saying anything he says is not true, because I don't know, but > personally I would not forward stuff like this around unless it were > corroborated by more sources. > > "Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only > love." > > - Amma > > > --- On Thu, 6/10/10, brian64705 wrote: > > > From: brian64705 > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 9:01 AM > > > I sent your comment to James Fox via Facebook and he responded: > > I've got more info coming VERY soon that will support my oberservations of a > strong military presence in that area. I also have footage from the air of > the oil marching into the shores and wet lands coming within 5 hours. Thank > you for writing to me and keep in touch, > > james > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brian64705 wrote: >> >>> Thanks! I searched some of the many blogs that have reposted >>> this and NOT ONE has any rebuttal of this story, or update. >>> >> Well, you're welcome to repost what I wrote on those blogs >> if you think it'll help. (If you do, please omit my name, or >> identify me as Swift Loris, which is my handle for blog >> comments.) >> >> I >> >>> don't have a TV so I am glad to hear this guy has just got a >>> real case of paranoia. He did report though on young guy said >>> his dad worked on the cleanup and that it was far worse than >>> the media were reporting. >>> >> This was a 15-year-old kid, probably scared by it all, >> or enjoying scaring the filmmaker. Who knows where he got >> the idea? There has been talk *in the media* that BP was >> underestimating the flow, which is accurate, but the >> government has had independent scientists estimate it, and >> while it's more than was originally estimated, it's not >> "vastly" more--and it's being *reported* that it's more, >> so that's not a big secret. >> >> This filmmaker guy had only been there less than a day. >> It's not surprising there was a lot of hustle and bustle >> and tension in the town, because it's one of the big >> staging areas for the cleanup, and also has some of the >> worst damage from the oil. Folks there would naturally be >> on edge and upset. >> >> I wouldn't suggest nothing the guy said was true, but he >> was taking bits and pieces and putting them together in >> a sensational way that misrepresents what's really going >> on. >> >> >>> The two stories on Anderson Cooper last night were really >>> shocking and may be the reason BP stock dropped another >>> 19% today. I think the biggest percentage drop since the >>> crisis began. >>> >>> See these links: >>> Video: Attorney: BP's 'conduct is criminal' >>> http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/08/video-attorney-bps-conduct-is-criminal/ >>> Video: Rig survivors: BP ordered shortcut on day of blast >>> http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/08/video-rig-survivors-bp-ordered-shortcut-on-day-of-blast/ >>> >> Wow, that second one with the survivors is hard to >> watch. I hope they're getting treatment for PTSD, >> because they sure look like they're all struggling >> with it. >> >> Cooper did an excellent job interviewing them, I >> thought, straightforward but gentle, low key. >> >> But...bear in mind that everybody has an axe to grind. >> The TV people, especially the cable folks, have an >> interest in promoting the Bad BP theme because it >&g
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This story is reported by Mel Fabregas. He lost credibility with me by pouring it on so thick. So, I put his name into a google search box expecting he would show up as an extremist. Sure enough, the blurb on the very first search hit says: The Veritas Show with Mel Fabregas is a weekly show exploring exopolitics, UFO and paranornmal phenomenona, conspiracies and current world events. Now, I'm not saying anything he says is not true, because I don't know, but personally I would not forward stuff like this around unless it were corroborated by more sources. "Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love." - Amma --- On Thu, 6/10/10, brian64705 wrote: From: brian64705 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 9:01 AM I sent your comment to James Fox via Facebook and he responded: I've got more info coming VERY soon that will support my oberservations of a strong military presence in that area. I also have footage from the air of the oil marching into the shores and wet lands coming within 5 hours. Thank you for writing to me and keep in touch, james --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brian64705 wrote: > > > > Thanks! I searched some of the many blogs that have reposted > > this and NOT ONE has any rebuttal of this story, or update. > > Well, you're welcome to repost what I wrote on those blogs > if you think it'll help. (If you do, please omit my name, or > identify me as Swift Loris, which is my handle for blog > comments.) > > I > > don't have a TV so I am glad to hear this guy has just got a > > real case of paranoia. He did report though on young guy said > > his dad worked on the cleanup and that it was far worse than > > the media were reporting. > > This was a 15-year-old kid, probably scared by it all, > or enjoying scaring the filmmaker. Who knows where he got > the idea? There has been talk *in the media* that BP was > underestimating the flow, which is accurate, but the > government has had independent scientists estimate it, and > while it's more than was originally estimated, it's not > "vastly" more--and it's being *reported* that it's more, > so that's not a big secret. > > This filmmaker guy had only been there less than a day. > It's not surprising there was a lot of hustle and bustle > and tension in the town, because it's one of the big > staging areas for the cleanup, and also has some of the > worst damage from the oil. Folks there would naturally be > on edge and upset. > > I wouldn't suggest nothing the guy said was true, but he > was taking bits and pieces and putting them together in > a sensational way that misrepresents what's really going > on. > > > The two stories on Anderson Cooper last night were really > > shocking and may be the reason BP stock dropped another > > 19% today. I think the biggest percentage drop since the > > crisis began. > > > > See these links: > > Video: Attorney: BP's 'conduct is criminal' > > http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/08/video-attorney-bps-conduct-is-criminal/ > > Video: Rig survivors: BP ordered shortcut on day of blast > > http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/08/video-rig-survivors-bp-ordered-shortcut-on-day-of-blast/ > > Wow, that second one with the survivors is hard to > watch. I hope they're getting treatment for PTSD, > because they sure look like they're all struggling > with it. > > Cooper did an excellent job interviewing them, I > thought, straightforward but gentle, low key. > > But...bear in mind that everybody has an axe to grind. > The TV people, especially the cable folks, have an > interest in promoting the Bad BP theme because it > gets them eyeballs. It doesn't hurt to take them with > a grain of salt, including Cooper. Lawyers likewise. > > Cooper gets details wrong from time to time. I haven't > seen one TV report or read one print story that is > completely accurate. > > BP is a rotten company, and I hope they get what's > coming to them. But that doesn't mean everything > they do is wrong or that all their intentions are > evil or that there are huge conspiracies between > them and the government. As with everything else in > the world, there are shades of gray. > > If you're interested in really knowledgeable > discussion of this disaster by oil industry folks--most > of whom are not, to say the least, fans of BP--take a > look at this blog: > > http:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf
Brian, I looked at the NY Times this morning and found I have to take back some of what I wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/us/10access.html?th&emc=th Apparently some reporters' access *has* been restricted, more or less arbitrarily. But there doesn't seem to be any reason for it other than as a function of BP's overall reflexive, bureaucratic lack of transparency; it isn't a matter of trying to hide some far worse catastrophe than we know about. The stated policy of both the government and BP is to accommodate journalists as much as possible. I was also wrong about the no-fly zone. Small planes *are* allowed to fly over the site if they first get permission from the FAA--although, again, some reporters have been denied permission. It isn't so much a "no-fly zone" as it is "restricted airspace." Sorry for misleading you on those points! Do read the Times article for more details. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brian64705 wrote: > > > > Thanks! I searched some of the many blogs that have reposted > > this and NOT ONE has any rebuttal of this story, or update. > > Well, you're welcome to repost what I wrote on those blogs > if you think it'll help. (If you do, please omit my name, or > identify me as Swift Loris, which is my handle for blog > comments.) > > I > > don't have a TV so I am glad to hear this guy has just got a > > real case of paranoia. He did report though on young guy said > > his dad worked on the cleanup and that it was far worse than > > the media were reporting. > > This was a 15-year-old kid, probably scared by it all, > or enjoying scaring the filmmaker. Who knows where he got > the idea? There has been talk *in the media* that BP was > underestimating the flow, which is accurate, but the > government has had independent scientists estimate it, and > while it's more than was originally estimated, it's not > "vastly" more--and it's being *reported* that it's more, > so that's not a big secret. > > This filmmaker guy had only been there less than a day. > It's not surprising there was a lot of hustle and bustle > and tension in the town, because it's one of the big > staging areas for the cleanup, and also has some of the > worst damage from the oil. Folks there would naturally be > on edge and upset. > > I wouldn't suggest nothing the guy said was true, but he > was taking bits and pieces and putting them together in > a sensational way that misrepresents what's really going > on. > > > The two stories on Anderson Cooper last night were really > > shocking and may be the reason BP stock dropped another > > 19% today. I think the biggest percentage drop since the > > crisis began. > > > > See these links: > > Video: Attorney: BP's 'conduct is criminal' > > http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/08/video-attorney-bps-conduct-is-criminal/ > > Video: Rig survivors: BP ordered shortcut on day of blast > > http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/08/video-rig-survivors-bp-ordered-shortcut-on-day-of-blast/ > > Wow, that second one with the survivors is hard to > watch. I hope they're getting treatment for PTSD, > because they sure look like they're all struggling > with it. > > Cooper did an excellent job interviewing them, I > thought, straightforward but gentle, low key. > > But...bear in mind that everybody has an axe to grind. > The TV people, especially the cable folks, have an > interest in promoting the Bad BP theme because it > gets them eyeballs. It doesn't hurt to take them with > a grain of salt, including Cooper. Lawyers likewise. > > Cooper gets details wrong from time to time. I haven't > seen one TV report or read one print story that is > completely accurate. > > BP is a rotten company, and I hope they get what's > coming to them. But that doesn't mean everything > they do is wrong or that all their intentions are > evil or that there are huge conspiracies between > them and the government. As with everything else in > the world, there are shades of gray. > > If you're interested in really knowledgeable > discussion of this disaster by oil industry folks--most > of whom are not, to say the least, fans of BP--take a > look at this blog: > > http://www.theoildrum.com > > I've been hanging out there since the beginning of the > spill, mostly just absorbing. A lot of the discussion > in the comments is way over my head technically, but > enough of it is accessible to the layperson to make it > worthwhile. > > The continuing discussion of the spill is just part of > what's on the blog; look for the posts with "BP Deepwater > Oil Spill" in the title. The posts themselves have a lot > of good information, and there's real meat in the > comments. You won't become an expert, but if you stick > around for a while, you'll know more than about 99 > percent of the public does. It's a good place to check > out rumors, too. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf
He's posted video of his flight over Grand Isle yesterday as well as interviews on the streets of New Orleans on his YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/jamescfox --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brian64705 wrote: > > I sent your comment to James Fox via Facebook and he responded: > > I've got more info coming VERY soon that will support my oberservations of a > strong military presence in that area. I also have footage from the air of > the oil marching into the shores and wet lands coming within 5 hours. Thank > you for writing to me and keep in touch, > > james > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brian64705 wrote: > > > > > > Thanks! I searched some of the many blogs that have reposted > > > this and NOT ONE has any rebuttal of this story, or update. > > > > Well, you're welcome to repost what I wrote on those blogs > > if you think it'll help. (If you do, please omit my name, or > > identify me as Swift Loris, which is my handle for blog > > comments.) > > > > I > > > don't have a TV so I am glad to hear this guy has just got a > > > real case of paranoia. He did report though on young guy said > > > his dad worked on the cleanup and that it was far worse than > > > the media were reporting. > > > > This was a 15-year-old kid, probably scared by it all, > > or enjoying scaring the filmmaker. Who knows where he got > > the idea? There has been talk *in the media* that BP was > > underestimating the flow, which is accurate, but the > > government has had independent scientists estimate it, and > > while it's more than was originally estimated, it's not > > "vastly" more--and it's being *reported* that it's more, > > so that's not a big secret. > > > > This filmmaker guy had only been there less than a day. > > It's not surprising there was a lot of hustle and bustle > > and tension in the town, because it's one of the big > > staging areas for the cleanup, and also has some of the > > worst damage from the oil. Folks there would naturally be > > on edge and upset. > > > > I wouldn't suggest nothing the guy said was true, but he > > was taking bits and pieces and putting them together in > > a sensational way that misrepresents what's really going > > on. > > > > > The two stories on Anderson Cooper last night were really > > > shocking and may be the reason BP stock dropped another > > > 19% today. I think the biggest percentage drop since the > > > crisis began. > > > > > > See these links: > > > Video: Attorney: BP's 'conduct is criminal' > > > http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/08/video-attorney-bps-conduct-is-criminal/ > > > Video: Rig survivors: BP ordered shortcut on day of blast > > > http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/08/video-rig-survivors-bp-ordered-shortcut-on-day-of-blast/ > > > > Wow, that second one with the survivors is hard to > > watch. I hope they're getting treatment for PTSD, > > because they sure look like they're all struggling > > with it. > > > > Cooper did an excellent job interviewing them, I > > thought, straightforward but gentle, low key. > > > > But...bear in mind that everybody has an axe to grind. > > The TV people, especially the cable folks, have an > > interest in promoting the Bad BP theme because it > > gets them eyeballs. It doesn't hurt to take them with > > a grain of salt, including Cooper. Lawyers likewise. > > > > Cooper gets details wrong from time to time. I haven't > > seen one TV report or read one print story that is > > completely accurate. > > > > BP is a rotten company, and I hope they get what's > > coming to them. But that doesn't mean everything > > they do is wrong or that all their intentions are > > evil or that there are huge conspiracies between > > them and the government. As with everything else in > > the world, there are shades of gray. > > > > If you're interested in really knowledgeable > > discussion of this disaster by oil industry folks--most > > of whom are not, to say the least, fans of BP--take a > > look at this blog: > > > > http://www.theoildrum.com > > > > I've been hanging out there since the beginning of the > > spill, mostly just absorbing. A lot of the discussion > > in the comments is way over my head technically, but > > enough of it is accessible to the layperson to make it > > worthwhile. > > > > The continuing discussion of the spill is just part of > > what's on the blog; look for the posts with "BP Deepwater > > Oil Spill" in the title. The posts themselves have a lot > > of good information, and there's real meat in the > > comments. You won't become an expert, but if you stick > > around for a while, you'll know more than about 99 > > percent of the public does. It's a good place to check > > out rumors, too. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > BP sucks, no question, but this is crazy talk. > > > > > > > > There's been a no-fly zone (enforced by the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf
I sent your comment to James Fox via Facebook and he responded: I've got more info coming VERY soon that will support my oberservations of a strong military presence in that area. I also have footage from the air of the oil marching into the shores and wet lands coming within 5 hours. Thank you for writing to me and keep in touch, james --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brian64705 wrote: > > > > Thanks! I searched some of the many blogs that have reposted > > this and NOT ONE has any rebuttal of this story, or update. > > Well, you're welcome to repost what I wrote on those blogs > if you think it'll help. (If you do, please omit my name, or > identify me as Swift Loris, which is my handle for blog > comments.) > > I > > don't have a TV so I am glad to hear this guy has just got a > > real case of paranoia. He did report though on young guy said > > his dad worked on the cleanup and that it was far worse than > > the media were reporting. > > This was a 15-year-old kid, probably scared by it all, > or enjoying scaring the filmmaker. Who knows where he got > the idea? There has been talk *in the media* that BP was > underestimating the flow, which is accurate, but the > government has had independent scientists estimate it, and > while it's more than was originally estimated, it's not > "vastly" more--and it's being *reported* that it's more, > so that's not a big secret. > > This filmmaker guy had only been there less than a day. > It's not surprising there was a lot of hustle and bustle > and tension in the town, because it's one of the big > staging areas for the cleanup, and also has some of the > worst damage from the oil. Folks there would naturally be > on edge and upset. > > I wouldn't suggest nothing the guy said was true, but he > was taking bits and pieces and putting them together in > a sensational way that misrepresents what's really going > on. > > > The two stories on Anderson Cooper last night were really > > shocking and may be the reason BP stock dropped another > > 19% today. I think the biggest percentage drop since the > > crisis began. > > > > See these links: > > Video: Attorney: BP's 'conduct is criminal' > > http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/08/video-attorney-bps-conduct-is-criminal/ > > Video: Rig survivors: BP ordered shortcut on day of blast > > http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/08/video-rig-survivors-bp-ordered-shortcut-on-day-of-blast/ > > Wow, that second one with the survivors is hard to > watch. I hope they're getting treatment for PTSD, > because they sure look like they're all struggling > with it. > > Cooper did an excellent job interviewing them, I > thought, straightforward but gentle, low key. > > But...bear in mind that everybody has an axe to grind. > The TV people, especially the cable folks, have an > interest in promoting the Bad BP theme because it > gets them eyeballs. It doesn't hurt to take them with > a grain of salt, including Cooper. Lawyers likewise. > > Cooper gets details wrong from time to time. I haven't > seen one TV report or read one print story that is > completely accurate. > > BP is a rotten company, and I hope they get what's > coming to them. But that doesn't mean everything > they do is wrong or that all their intentions are > evil or that there are huge conspiracies between > them and the government. As with everything else in > the world, there are shades of gray. > > If you're interested in really knowledgeable > discussion of this disaster by oil industry folks--most > of whom are not, to say the least, fans of BP--take a > look at this blog: > > http://www.theoildrum.com > > I've been hanging out there since the beginning of the > spill, mostly just absorbing. A lot of the discussion > in the comments is way over my head technically, but > enough of it is accessible to the layperson to make it > worthwhile. > > The continuing discussion of the spill is just part of > what's on the blog; look for the posts with "BP Deepwater > Oil Spill" in the title. The posts themselves have a lot > of good information, and there's real meat in the > comments. You won't become an expert, but if you stick > around for a while, you'll know more than about 99 > percent of the public does. It's a good place to check > out rumors, too. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > BP sucks, no question, but this is crazy talk. > > > > > > There's been a no-fly zone (enforced by the Coast Guard > > > and the FAA) over the spill site for weeks; it's nothing > > > new. The Coast Guard has regular overflights every few > > > days for the media so photos and video can be shot of the > > > spill site and beaches and marshes and so on. > > > > > > The very last thing they need is for some small plane or > > > helicopter to get in trouble and crash in the area of the > > > spill. > > > > > > There have been constant reports coming in f
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brian64705 wrote: > > Thanks! I searched some of the many blogs that have reposted > this and NOT ONE has any rebuttal of this story, or update. Well, you're welcome to repost what I wrote on those blogs if you think it'll help. (If you do, please omit my name, or identify me as Swift Loris, which is my handle for blog comments.) I > don't have a TV so I am glad to hear this guy has just got a > real case of paranoia. He did report though on young guy said > his dad worked on the cleanup and that it was far worse than > the media were reporting. This was a 15-year-old kid, probably scared by it all, or enjoying scaring the filmmaker. Who knows where he got the idea? There has been talk *in the media* that BP was underestimating the flow, which is accurate, but the government has had independent scientists estimate it, and while it's more than was originally estimated, it's not "vastly" more--and it's being *reported* that it's more, so that's not a big secret. This filmmaker guy had only been there less than a day. It's not surprising there was a lot of hustle and bustle and tension in the town, because it's one of the big staging areas for the cleanup, and also has some of the worst damage from the oil. Folks there would naturally be on edge and upset. I wouldn't suggest nothing the guy said was true, but he was taking bits and pieces and putting them together in a sensational way that misrepresents what's really going on. > The two stories on Anderson Cooper last night were really > shocking and may be the reason BP stock dropped another > 19% today. I think the biggest percentage drop since the > crisis began. > > See these links: > Video: Attorney: BP's 'conduct is criminal' > http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/08/video-attorney-bps-conduct-is-criminal/ > Video: Rig survivors: BP ordered shortcut on day of blast > http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/08/video-rig-survivors-bp-ordered-shortcut-on-day-of-blast/ Wow, that second one with the survivors is hard to watch. I hope they're getting treatment for PTSD, because they sure look like they're all struggling with it. Cooper did an excellent job interviewing them, I thought, straightforward but gentle, low key. But...bear in mind that everybody has an axe to grind. The TV people, especially the cable folks, have an interest in promoting the Bad BP theme because it gets them eyeballs. It doesn't hurt to take them with a grain of salt, including Cooper. Lawyers likewise. Cooper gets details wrong from time to time. I haven't seen one TV report or read one print story that is completely accurate. BP is a rotten company, and I hope they get what's coming to them. But that doesn't mean everything they do is wrong or that all their intentions are evil or that there are huge conspiracies between them and the government. As with everything else in the world, there are shades of gray. If you're interested in really knowledgeable discussion of this disaster by oil industry folks--most of whom are not, to say the least, fans of BP--take a look at this blog: http://www.theoildrum.com I've been hanging out there since the beginning of the spill, mostly just absorbing. A lot of the discussion in the comments is way over my head technically, but enough of it is accessible to the layperson to make it worthwhile. The continuing discussion of the spill is just part of what's on the blog; look for the posts with "BP Deepwater Oil Spill" in the title. The posts themselves have a lot of good information, and there's real meat in the comments. You won't become an expert, but if you stick around for a while, you'll know more than about 99 percent of the public does. It's a good place to check out rumors, too. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > BP sucks, no question, but this is crazy talk. > > > > There's been a no-fly zone (enforced by the Coast Guard > > and the FAA) over the spill site for weeks; it's nothing > > new. The Coast Guard has regular overflights every few > > days for the media so photos and video can be shot of the > > spill site and beaches and marshes and so on. > > > > The very last thing they need is for some small plane or > > helicopter to get in trouble and crash in the area of the > > spill. > > > > There have been constant reports coming in from the media, > > so the idea that there's some sort of "lockdown" is absurd. > > You see the reports on the news every night--NBC has a > > correspondent stationed in Grand Isle--and on the cable > > channels 24 hours a day. > > > > The local folks who have been hired by BP to do cleanup > > signed a contract of some kind that prohibits them from > > speaking to the media. This has also been the case from > > the beginning; it's not an unusual provision, although > > it sounds sinister. > > > > The rest of this is just nonsense. The Deepwater Response > > Team--the Coast Guard and NOAA and EPA and so on--have a > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf
Thanks! I searched some of the many blogs that have reposted this and NOT ONE has any rebuttal of this story, or update. I don't have a TV so I am glad to hear this guy has just got a real case of paranoia. He did report though on young guy said his dad worked on the cleanup and that it was far worse than the media were reporting. The two stories on Anderson Cooper last night were really shocking and may be the reason BP stock dropped another 19% today. I think the biggest percentage drop since the crisis began. See these links: Video: Attorney: BP's 'conduct is criminal' http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/08/video-attorney-bps-conduct-is-criminal/ Video: Rig survivors: BP ordered shortcut on day of blast http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/08/video-rig-survivors-bp-ordered-shortcut-on-day-of-blast/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > BP sucks, no question, but this is crazy talk. > > There's been a no-fly zone (enforced by the Coast Guard > and the FAA) over the spill site for weeks; it's nothing > new. The Coast Guard has regular overflights every few > days for the media so photos and video can be shot of the > spill site and beaches and marshes and so on. > > The very last thing they need is for some small plane or > helicopter to get in trouble and crash in the area of the > spill. > > There have been constant reports coming in from the media, > so the idea that there's some sort of "lockdown" is absurd. > You see the reports on the news every night--NBC has a > correspondent stationed in Grand Isle--and on the cable > channels 24 hours a day. > > The local folks who have been hired by BP to do cleanup > signed a contract of some kind that prohibits them from > speaking to the media. This has also been the case from > the beginning; it's not an unusual provision, although > it sounds sinister. > > The rest of this is just nonsense. The Deepwater Response > Team--the Coast Guard and NOAA and EPA and so on--have a > press conference every day with reporter Q&A. If the > media were having problems getting their stories, they'd > be making a point of complaining loudly at the press > conference. It's just not possible to "lock down" the > media these days and have it kept quiet. > > There's some uncertainty about the exact volume of the > oil flow, but it simply isn't the case that the disaster > is "much bigger than what is being reported," nor is it > the case that the gummint isn't in control. (Doesn't mean > local police officers here or there haven't overstepped > their authority, or made an arrest because some media > jerk pissed them off.) > > I'm guessing the guy who was interviewed hasn't been > heard from since because he's discovered that he made > a huge fuss over nothing, or very little, and he's now > horribly embarrassed. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf
BP sucks, no question, but this is crazy talk. There's been a no-fly zone (enforced by the Coast Guard and the FAA) over the spill site for weeks; it's nothing new. The Coast Guard has regular overflights every few days for the media so photos and video can be shot of the spill site and beaches and marshes and so on. The very last thing they need is for some small plane or helicopter to get in trouble and crash in the area of the spill. There have been constant reports coming in from the media, so the idea that there's some sort of "lockdown" is absurd. You see the reports on the news every night--NBC has a correspondent stationed in Grand Isle--and on the cable channels 24 hours a day. The local folks who have been hired by BP to do cleanup signed a contract of some kind that prohibits them from speaking to the media. This has also been the case from the beginning; it's not an unusual provision, although it sounds sinister. The rest of this is just nonsense. The Deepwater Response Team--the Coast Guard and NOAA and EPA and so on--have a press conference every day with reporter Q&A. If the media were having problems getting their stories, they'd be making a point of complaining loudly at the press conference. It's just not possible to "lock down" the media these days and have it kept quiet. There's some uncertainty about the exact volume of the oil flow, but it simply isn't the case that the disaster is "much bigger than what is being reported," nor is it the case that the gummint isn't in control. (Doesn't mean local police officers here or there haven't overstepped their authority, or made an arrest because some media jerk pissed them off.) I'm guessing the guy who was interviewed hasn't been heard from since because he's discovered that he made a huge fuss over nothing, or very little, and he's now horribly embarrassed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brian64705 wrote: > > This news from the Gulf is all over the net. An audio interview with James > Fox late Monday night. Curiously, he made no follow up report since. I hope > he is safe. The CNN reports on Anderson Cooper on BP were incredibly damning > of BP last night. So it tends to lend credibility to this news. > > http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html > > Lock-down on the Gulf > > From a source: > > "IMPORTANT!!!Hello i just got this mp3 interview with James Fox (i kinow > what i saw en into the blue), done by the veritasshow today (this was the > text that was posted with it by Mel Fabregas..)" -- a source. > > ["A few minutes ago, I conducted a short interview with documentary > filmmaker, James Fox. He is presently in Grand Isle, Louisiana. The closest > location to the Gulf oil spill. Before I spoke to James I received a few > unsubstantiated reports that I put on the side. > > What I'm about to share with you is extremely important. There is an absolute > MEDIA BLACKOUT in the area. People are being arrested everywhere. Hotels in a > 70-mile radius are completely sold out, yet, you don't see any vans or > reporters filming. It's as if the entire area was under siege. > > James Fox has witnessed this and he basically just arrived. He says he saw > multiple Chevron helicopters flying. He has not seen any military activity. > It's as if the oil companies had taken over. James expected to rent a plane > to fly over it and that is not possible. The area above the oil spill is now > a NO-FLY-ZONE. He will be there for two weeks. > > I am issuing this bulleting because James Fox's name needs to be out in the > public, as there is a possibility that he will be arrested. I have plans to > talk to the Grand Isle's Police Department to get further clarification > regarding these arrests, since James people don't even know who is conducting > these arrests. James had the opportunity to talk to the son of one of the > cleanup workers (former fisherman) and he told him no one is talking. He did > say that no one is being told the extent of this disaster. It is much bigger > than what is being reported. > > The government is NOT IN CONTROL. The ones exercising all influence are the > oil companies. Where is our FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT? I will be posting my > interview with James at the forum shortly. When I called him I wanted to > remain optimistic and felt people were exaggerating or simply fear mongering. > After my conversation with James I can categorically say that my level of > concern has risen to unprecedented levels and now I'm putting more credence > to the reports I'm receiving.] -- Mel Fabregas reporting > > CLICK HERE for the mp3 (18min long) feel free to post it, this info has to be > out in the open." Link: > http://cdn2.ash1.k-srv.info/camelotproductions/jamesfox2010.mp3 >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lock-down on the Gulf
Google "Lock-down on the Gulf" gets 17,200 hits right now. No word anywhere from James Fox since this story broke. Scam or real?
