Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Earl's letter http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html Ann, you just helped me understand something better so I thanked you for that in my earlier Post. Now I'll return the favor, just see below... Interesting, now that I have read it. If it is all true then more's the pity. If it is partially true then it should give people pause. I think that this letter was written from a place of sincerity and concern by the Kaplans. They were, evidently, privy to all sorts of carefully protected secrets and were part of the inner circle. Whenever the inner circle chooses to speak about the things that go on close to the center of things it can mean one of two things: they are speaking the truth or they are disgruntled and making things up. [They are disgruntled and making things up.] I am in no position to know which it is or what percentage is made up of truth and what percentage is simple disgruntlement. Thinking back on what Robin has said about his own realization of his enlightenment it appears to closely jive with that Kaplan claims of what TM does to one, which is interesting for me. I am sure Robin has seen this letter as has everyone else on the planet except, apparently, me. Some of this troubles me as a sort of one-man's-viewpoint analysis because it is terribly damning and yet I am so removed from the TM Movement and even TM itself I find I am untouched. Still, this letter has evidently been influential and has created some serious doubts about MMY in many people's minds. I have to say, I feel badly, on one level for the Kaplans because they gave a lot to what they believed was true and good and right. In reading his letter I also realize Kaplan is going to survive it all and come out the other side intact. What is he and his brother doing now?[he's seething and sulking, not productive IMHO] From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in Sligo. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS. Ah, pub eh? No wonder you out scored me, I must have forgotten what real English life is all about. Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. In summer 2006 he was living in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl Kaplan letter. He stopped meditating. I still think that if he had continued doing TM, he'd still be alive. Of course, I could be wrong... Wow, sad story Share and I don't mean to pry, but are you punishing yourself about the TM thing? Or did he develop high blood pressure afterwards (or anything relevant healthwise). I've known a lot of people in the TMO die of all sorts of common things that you'd think we'd be immune to given all the claims made, so maybe it was just a continuation of something? I don't know either of course, just speculating, so feel free to ignore this bit! The Kaplan letter was a funny old thing. I thought it was a third true, a third probably true and a third nonsense. Shook a lot of people up I should think. I wouldn't be amusing myself on FFL without it as I had to join to read it in the files section. I don't know anything about this Kaplan letter. I need to find it somewhere. I'll report back.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
Here is an interesting past post from FFL - It's funny how time will bring almost a casual understatement of what happened to the Kaplans. My memory is that almost $100 million was donated, but the problem came when $20-25 million that was in an account that had multiple signiturs ( 1 movement, 2 Kaplans ??) was used/taken by the movement and not used for it's intended taxes and other expenses for the Blue Mt properties. So the final flimflam was an additional $20+ million missing, not 'being attached' to money after it has been donationed. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Earl's letter http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html Interesting, now that I have read it. If it is all true then more's the pity. If it is partially true then it should give people pause. I think that this letter was written from a place of sincerity and concern by the Kaplans. They were, evidently, privy to all sorts of carefully protected secrets and were part of the inner circle. Whenever the inner circle chooses to speak about the things that go on close to the center of things it can mean one of two things: they are speaking the truth or they are disgruntled and making things up. I am in no position to know which it is or what percentage is made up of truth and what percentage is simple disgruntlement. Thinking back on what Robin has said about his own realization of his enlightenment it appears to closely jive with that Kaplan claims of what TM does to one, which is interesting for me. I am sure Robin has seen this letter as has everyone else on the planet except, apparently, me. Some of this troubles me as a sort of one-man's-viewpoint analysis because it is terribly damning and yet I am so removed from the TM Movement and even TM itself I find I am untouched. Still, this letter has evidently been influential and has created some serious doubts about MMY in many people's minds. I have to say, I feel badly, on one level for the Kaplans because they gave a lot to what they believed was true and good and right. In reading his letter I also realize Kaplan is going to survive it all and come out the other side intact. What is he and his brother doing now? From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in Sligo. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS. Ah, pub eh? No wonder you out scored me, I must have forgotten what real English life is all about. Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. In summer 2006 he was living in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl Kaplan letter. He stopped meditating. I still think that if he had continued doing TM, he'd still be alive. Of course, I could be wrong... Wow, sad story Share and I don't mean to pry, but are you punishing yourself about the TM thing? Or did he develop high blood pressure afterwards (or anything relevant healthwise). I've known a lot of people in the TMO die of all sorts of common things that you'd think we'd be immune to given all the claims made, so maybe it was just a continuation of something? I don't know either of course, just speculating, so feel free to ignore this bit! The Kaplan letter was a funny old thing. I thought it was a third true, a third probably true and a third nonsense. Shook a lot of people up I should think. I wouldn't be amusing myself on FFL without it as I had to join to read it in the files section. I don't know anything about this Kaplan letter. I need to find it somewhere. I'll report back.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
I think he's still in the publishing business in some fashion. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Earl's letter http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html Interesting, now that I have read it. If it is all true then more's the pity. If it is partially true then it should give people pause. I think that this letter was written from a place of sincerity and concern by the Kaplans. They were, evidently, privy to all sorts of carefully protected secrets and were part of the inner circle. Whenever the inner circle chooses to speak about the things that go on close to the center of things it can mean one of two things: they are speaking the truth or they are disgruntled and making things up. I am in no position to know which it is or what percentage is made up of truth and what percentage is simple disgruntlement. Thinking back on what Robin has said about his own realization of his enlightenment it appears to closely jive with that Kaplan claims of what TM does to one, which is interesting for me. I am sure Robin has seen this letter as has everyone else on the planet except, apparently, me. Some of this troubles me as a sort of one-man's-viewpoint analysis because it is terribly damning and yet I am so removed from the TM Movement and even TM itself I find I am untouched. Still, this letter has evidently been influential and has created some serious doubts about MMY in many people's minds. I have to say, I feel badly, on one level for the Kaplans because they gave a lot to what they believed was true and good and right. In reading his letter I also realize Kaplan is going to survive it all and come out the other side intact. What is he and his brother doing now? From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in Sligo. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS. Ah, pub eh? No wonder you out scored me, I must have forgotten what real English life is all about. Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. In summer 2006 he was living in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl Kaplan letter. He stopped meditating. I still think that if he had continued doing TM, he'd still be alive. Of course, I could be wrong... Wow, sad story Share and I don't mean to pry, but are you punishing yourself about the TM thing? Or did he develop high blood pressure afterwards (or anything relevant healthwise). I've known a lot of people in the TMO die of all sorts of common things that you'd think we'd be immune to given all the claims made, so maybe it was just a continuation of something? I don't know either of course, just speculating, so feel free to ignore this bit! The Kaplan letter was a funny old thing. I thought it was a third true, a third probably true and a third nonsense. Shook a lot of people up I should think. I wouldn't be amusing myself on FFL without it as I had to join to read it in the files section. I don't know anything about this Kaplan letter. I need to find it somewhere. I'll report back.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Here is an interesting past post from FFL - It's funny how time will bring almost a casual understatement of what happened to the Kaplans. My memory is that almost $100 million was donated, but the problem came when $20-25 million that was in an account that had multiple signiturs ( 1 movement, 2 Kaplans ??) was used/taken by the movement and not used for it's intended taxes and other expenses for the Blue Mt properties. So the final flimflam was an additional $20+ million missing, not 'being attached' to money after it has been donationed. So Earl Kaplan is a tax dodger? Another good source for information. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Earl's letter http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html Interesting, now that I have read it. If it is all true then more's the pity. If it is partially true then it should give people pause. I think that this letter was written from a place of sincerity and concern by the Kaplans. They were, evidently, privy to all sorts of carefully protected secrets and were part of the inner circle. Whenever the inner circle chooses to speak about the things that go on close to the center of things it can mean one of two things: they are speaking the truth or they are disgruntled and making things up. I am in no position to know which it is or what percentage is made up of truth and what percentage is simple disgruntlement. Thinking back on what Robin has said about his own realization of his enlightenment it appears to closely jive with that Kaplan claims of what TM does to one, which is interesting for me. I am sure Robin has seen this letter as has everyone else on the planet except, apparently, me. Some of this troubles me as a sort of one-man's-viewpoint analysis because it is terribly damning and yet I am so removed from the TM Movement and even TM itself I find I am untouched. Still, this letter has evidently been influential and has created some serious doubts about MMY in many people's minds. I have to say, I feel badly, on one level for the Kaplans because they gave a lot to what they believed was true and good and right. In reading his letter I also realize Kaplan is going to survive it all and come out the other side intact. What is he and his brother doing now? From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in Sligo. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS. Ah, pub eh? No wonder you out scored me, I must have forgotten what real English life is all about. Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. In summer 2006 he was living in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl Kaplan letter. He stopped meditating. I still think that if he had continued doing TM, he'd still be alive. Of course, I could be wrong... Wow, sad story Share and I don't mean to pry, but are you punishing yourself about the TM thing? Or did he develop high blood pressure afterwards (or anything relevant healthwise). I've known a lot of people in the TMO die of all sorts of common things that you'd think we'd be immune to given all the claims made, so maybe it was just a continuation of something? I don't know either of course, just speculating, so feel free to ignore this bit! The Kaplan letter was a funny old thing. I thought it was a third true, a third probably true and a third nonsense. Shook a lot of people up I should think. I wouldn't be amusing myself on FFL without it as I had to join to read it in the files section. I don't know anything about this Kaplan letter. I need to find it somewhere. I'll report back.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Earl's letter http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html Ann, you just helped me understand something better so I thanked you for that in my earlier Post. Now I'll return the favor, just see below... Interesting, now that I have read it. If it is all true then more's the pity. If it is partially true then it should give people pause. I think that this letter was written from a place of sincerity and concern by the Kaplans. They were, evidently, privy to all sorts of carefully protected secrets and were part of the inner circle. Whenever the inner circle chooses to speak about the things that go on close to the center of things it can mean one of two things: they are speaking the truth or they are disgruntled and making things up. [They are disgruntled and making things up.] I am in no position to know which it is or what percentage is made up of truth and what percentage is simple disgruntlement. Thinking back on what Robin has said about his own realization of his enlightenment it appears to closely jive with that Kaplan claims of what TM does to one, which is interesting for me. I am sure Robin has seen this letter as has everyone else on the planet except, apparently, me. Some of this troubles me as a sort of one-man's-viewpoint analysis because it is terribly damning and yet I am so removed from the TM Movement and even TM itself I find I am untouched. Still, this letter has evidently been influential and has created some serious doubts about MMY in many people's minds. I have to say, I feel badly, on one level for the Kaplans because they gave a lot to what they believed was true and good and right. In reading his letter I also realize Kaplan is going to survive it all and come out the other side intact. What is he and his brother doing now?[he's seething and sulking, not productive IMHO] Thank you NY correspondent. Your in-depth commentary has helped me. At least I know where you stand on the subject, your brevity was clearcut and crystalline.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Earl's letter http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html Ann, you just helped me understand something better so I thanked you for that in my earlier Post. Now I'll return the favor, just see below... Interesting, now that I have read it. If it is all true then more's the pity. If it is partially true then it should give people pause. I think that this letter was written from a place of sincerity and concern by the Kaplans. They were, evidently, privy to all sorts of carefully protected secrets and were part of the inner circle. Whenever the inner circle chooses to speak about the things that go on close to the center of things it can mean one of two things: they are speaking the truth or they are disgruntled and making things up. [They are disgruntled and making things up.] I am in no position to know which it is or what percentage is made up of truth and what percentage is simple disgruntlement. Thinking back on what Robin has said about his own realization of his enlightenment it appears to closely jive with that Kaplan claims of what TM does to one, which is interesting for me. I am sure Robin has seen this letter as has everyone else on the planet except, apparently, me. Some of this troubles me as a sort of one-man's-viewpoint analysis because it is terribly damning and yet I am so removed from the TM Movement and even TM itself I find I am untouched. Still, this letter has evidently been influential and has created some serious doubts about MMY in many people's minds. I have to say, I feel badly, on one level for the Kaplans because they gave a lot to what they believed was true and good and right. In reading his letter I also realize Kaplan is going to survive it all and come out the other side intact. What is he and his brother doing now?[he's seething and sulking, not productive IMHO] Thank you NY correspondent. Your in-depth commentary has helped me. At least I know where you stand on the subject, your brevity was clearcut and crystalline. I stand by the real-world facts. I live by real-world facts. I do not confuse myself or bewilder my life. I live in NYC. A city built on granite. Proud NYer, D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in Sligo. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS. Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. In summer 2006 he was living in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl Kaplan letter. He stopped meditating. I still think that if he had continued doing TM, he'd still be alive. Of course, I could be wrong... On Thursday, September 11, 2014 1:54 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I must warn you: I once fell in love with a man who talked about life's rich tapestry! And he was also from England! But 100% Irish. Anyway, I'm glad you continue to practice TM. More proof that TMO is not a cult (-: Cool, what part of the emerald isle was he from? It's obviously hard to draw conclusions about a country's citizens just from the ones I've met but I always got on really well with the Irish when I was abroad. I'd end up working as I travelled and there were always loads of ex-pats to hang around with. Had much fun and many hangovers! I can still fit in with the movement funnily enough, but the language freaks me out and I'm very suspicious of how they talk to me as though they expect I agree with the TM worldview. Which I don't, this is the main reason I had to go. I felt like a Catholic working at a synagogue. But worse because I'm basically an atheist sceptic and after a while other people's talk about spiritual stuff makes me wince. So we are probably all happier with me on this side of the fence but still meditating ;-) Talking of cults, I just had lunch with an old TM friend, they seem to be plodding on with it all but nobody new seems to be joining the hardcore movement. I don't know what puts them off these days, maybe the lot in Skem all needed Marshy to inspire them to join up. Or maybe people just aren't as easily fooled as I was, but I leapt at the chance to get more enlightened, it was a natural progression. I can't believe newbies aren't having the sort experiences they want to expand on. Maybe the alternative lifestyle isn't enough of a meme to attract people in this sort of hard economic climate? On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:56 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you are such delightful proof that the TMO is not a cult (-: It's funny you should say that, it was this course and all the things I saw that convinced me I was in the wrong place! But wild experiences help one forgive a lot of dubious beliefs and corrupt practises. I do miss going on courses though, but it's all changed from the old days of tea on the lawn and a tape of Marshy droning to fall asleep to. The more I knew about the TMO and it's belief system, the less I liked it, I'm just not religious. Never any regrets though, it's all part of life's rich tapestry. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:23 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : TMSP for 9 hours a day! Yeah, I bet there were a few ups and downs...yeow. 9 hours a day for a year I might add It made me the man I am today! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Let's hope there is som kind of Sea of God also for atheists :-) Of course there is we just call it sea of seratonin. Not as romantic or catchy I admit ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : yeah, it is all intent and experience. If someone has not yet drowned in the sea of God, then the whole thing seems like bullshit, and some sort of ultimately cruel joke and fuck TM. On the other hand... Delicious term though Jim, drowned in a sea of God sums up a lot of my course experiences when I was doing TMSP for 9 hours a day. Chakratastic it was. Some of the time, at others not so much... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's a distinction lost on the poor souls posting solely for boosting their small, angry ego's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Once again, your lack of experience is showing. What Maharishi is talking about when he says no trace of the individual remains, is that the individual in isolation, in ego prison, seemingly cut off from the rest of the vast and vibrant universe, no longer exists. It is not as if we actually dematerialize, or lose our ability to continue to evolve. You have such
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in Sligo. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS. Ah, pub eh? No wonder you out scored me, I must have forgotten what real English life is all about. Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. In summer 2006 he was living in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl Kaplan letter. He stopped meditating. I still think that if he had continued doing TM, he'd still be alive. Of course, I could be wrong... Wow, sad story Share and I don't mean to pry, but are you punishing yourself about the TM thing? Or did he develop high blood pressure afterwards (or anything relevant healthwise). I've known a lot of people in the TMO die of all sorts of common things that you'd think we'd be immune to given all the claims made, so maybe it was just a continuation of something? I don't know either of course, just speculating, so feel free to ignore this bit! The Kaplan letter was a funny old thing. I thought it was a third true, a third probably true and a third nonsense. Shook a lot of people up I should think. I wouldn't be amusing myself on FFL without it as I had to join to read it in the files section. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 1:54 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I must warn you: I once fell in love with a man who talked about life's rich tapestry! And he was also from England! But 100% Irish. Anyway, I'm glad you continue to practice TM. More proof that TMO is not a cult (-: Cool, what part of the emerald isle was he from? It's obviously hard to draw conclusions about a country's citizens just from the ones I've met but I always got on really well with the Irish when I was abroad. I'd end up working as I travelled and there were always loads of ex-pats to hang around with. Had much fun and many hangovers! I can still fit in with the movement funnily enough, but the language freaks me out and I'm very suspicious of how they talk to me as though they expect I agree with the TM worldview. Which I don't, this is the main reason I had to go. I felt like a Catholic working at a synagogue. But worse because I'm basically an atheist sceptic and after a while other people's talk about spiritual stuff makes me wince. So we are probably all happier with me on this side of the fence but still meditating ;-) Talking of cults, I just had lunch with an old TM friend, they seem to be plodding on with it all but nobody new seems to be joining the hardcore movement. I don't know what puts them off these days, maybe the lot in Skem all needed Marshy to inspire them to join up. Or maybe people just aren't as easily fooled as I was, but I leapt at the chance to get more enlightened, it was a natural progression. I can't believe newbies aren't having the sort experiences they want to expand on. Maybe the alternative lifestyle isn't enough of a meme to attract people in this sort of hard economic climate? On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:56 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you are such delightful proof that the TMO is not a cult (-: It's funny you should say that, it was this course and all the things I saw that convinced me I was in the wrong place! But wild experiences help one forgive a lot of dubious beliefs and corrupt practises. I do miss going on courses though, but it's all changed from the old days of tea on the lawn and a tape of Marshy droning to fall asleep to. The more I knew about the TMO and it's belief system, the less I liked it, I'm just not religious. Never any regrets though, it's all part of life's rich tapestry. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:23 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : TMSP for 9 hours a day! Yeah, I bet there were a few ups and downs...yeow. 9 hours a day for a year I might add It made me the man I am today! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Let's hope there is som kind of Sea of God also for atheists :-) Of course there is we just call it sea of seratonin. Not as romantic or catchy I admit ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : yeah, it is all intent and experience. If someone has not yet drowned in the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in Sligo. My husband and I went to the horse races in Sligo a while back. It was a quaint little bush track but very charming in its own way. Going to a small local track is a great way to see the people. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS. Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. In summer 2006 he was living in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl Kaplan letter. He stopped meditating. I still think that if he had continued doing TM, he'd still be alive. Of course, I could be wrong...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in Sligo. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS. Ah, pub eh? No wonder you out scored me, I must have forgotten what real English life is all about. Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. In summer 2006 he was living in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl Kaplan letter. He stopped meditating. I still think that if he had continued doing TM, he'd still be alive. Of course, I could be wrong... Wow, sad story Share and I don't mean to pry, but are you punishing yourself about the TM thing? Or did he develop high blood pressure afterwards (or anything relevant healthwise). I've known a lot of people in the TMO die of all sorts of common things that you'd think we'd be immune to given all the claims made, so maybe it was just a continuation of something? I don't know either of course, just speculating, so feel free to ignore this bit! The Kaplan letter was a funny old thing. I thought it was a third true, a third probably true and a third nonsense. Shook a lot of people up I should think. I wouldn't be amusing myself on FFL without it as I had to join to read it in the files section. I don't know anything about this Kaplan letter. I need to find it somewhere. I'll report back.
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Good insight, salyavin. I think I sometimes feel sad that I couldn't convince him to go to an ER when he first had the chest and arm pains on Sunday evening. The coroner said that he died on Monday around 7:30 am. He had started a full time job and with commute was stressed out by it all. It was the only time in those 3 years that I suggested he at least do TM again. When his brother called me from England and told me that Gere had died, I went into total denial. Like a crazy person I kept sobbing over and over: it's not true, it's not true. I wish he had had an easier life, whether with or without TM. On Friday, September 12, 2014 7:27 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in Sligo. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS. Ah, pub eh? No wonder you out scored me, I must have forgotten what real English life is all about. Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. In summer 2006 he was living in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl Kaplan letter. He stopped meditating. I still think that if he had continued doing TM, he'd still be alive. Of course, I could be wrong... Wow, sad story Share and I don't mean to pry, but are you punishing yourself about the TM thing? Or did he develop high blood pressure afterwards (or anything relevant healthwise). I've known a lot of people in the TMO die of all sorts of common things that you'd think we'd be immune to given all the claims made, so maybe it was just a continuation of something? I don't know either of course, just speculating, so feel free to ignore this bit! The Kaplan letter was a funny old thing. I thought it was a third true, a third probably true and a third nonsense. Shook a lot of people up I should think. I wouldn't be amusing myself on FFL without it as I had to join to read it in the files section. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 1:54 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I must warn you: I once fell in love with a man who talked about life's rich tapestry! And he was also from England! But 100% Irish. Anyway, I'm glad you continue to practice TM. More proof that TMO is not a cult (-: Cool, what part of the emerald isle was he from? It's obviously hard to draw conclusions about a country's citizens just from the ones I've met but I always got on really well with the Irish when I was abroad. I'd end up working as I travelled and there were always loads of ex-pats to hang around with. Had much fun and many hangovers! I can still fit in with the movement funnily enough, but the language freaks me out and I'm very suspicious of how they talk to me as though they expect I agree with the TM worldview. Which I don't, this is the main reason I had to go. I felt like a Catholic working at a synagogue. But worse because I'm basically an atheist sceptic and after a while other people's talk about spiritual stuff makes me wince. So we are probably all happier with me on this side of the fence but still meditating ;-) Talking of cults, I just had lunch with an old TM friend, they seem to be plodding on with it all but nobody new seems to be joining the hardcore movement. I don't know what puts them off these days, maybe the lot in Skem all needed Marshy to inspire them to join up. Or maybe people just aren't as easily fooled as I was, but I leapt at the chance to get more enlightened, it was a natural progression. I can't believe newbies aren't having the sort experiences they want to expand on. Maybe the alternative lifestyle isn't enough of a meme to attract people in this sort of hard economic climate? On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:56 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you are such delightful proof that the TMO is not a cult (-: It's funny you should say that, it was this course and all the things I saw that convinced me I was in the wrong place! But wild experiences help one forgive a lot of dubious beliefs and corrupt practises. I do miss going on courses though, but it's all changed from the old days of tea on the lawn and a tape of Marshy droning to fall asleep to. The more I knew about the TMO and it's belief system, the less I liked it, I'm just not religious. Never any regrets though, it's all part of life's rich tapestry. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:23 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
Yep, FFL is just one big web of connectedness... On Friday, September 12, 2014 8:59 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in Sligo. My husband and I went to the horse races in Sligo a while back. It was a quaint little bush track but very charming in its own way. Going to a small local track is a great way to see the people. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS. Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. In summer 2006 he was living in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl Kaplan letter. He stopped meditating. I still think that if he had continued doing TM, he'd still be alive. Of course, I could be wrong...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
Earl's letter http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in Sligo. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS. Ah, pub eh? No wonder you out scored me, I must have forgotten what real English life is all about. Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. In summer 2006 he was living in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl Kaplan letter. He stopped meditating. I still think that if he had continued doing TM, he'd still be alive. Of course, I could be wrong... Wow, sad story Share and I don't mean to pry, but are you punishing yourself about the TM thing? Or did he develop high blood pressure afterwards (or anything relevant healthwise). I've known a lot of people in the TMO die of all sorts of common things that you'd think we'd be immune to given all the claims made, so maybe it was just a continuation of something? I don't know either of course, just speculating, so feel free to ignore this bit! The Kaplan letter was a funny old thing. I thought it was a third true, a third probably true and a third nonsense. Shook a lot of people up I should think. I wouldn't be amusing myself on FFL without it as I had to join to read it in the files section. I don't know anything about this Kaplan letter. I need to find it somewhere. I'll report back.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Earl's letter http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html Thanks so much MJ, I will read it now. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in Sligo. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS. Ah, pub eh? No wonder you out scored me, I must have forgotten what real English life is all about. Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. In summer 2006 he was living in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl Kaplan letter. He stopped meditating. I still think that if he had continued doing TM, he'd still be alive. Of course, I could be wrong... Wow, sad story Share and I don't mean to pry, but are you punishing yourself about the TM thing? Or did he develop high blood pressure afterwards (or anything relevant healthwise). I've known a lot of people in the TMO die of all sorts of common things that you'd think we'd be immune to given all the claims made, so maybe it was just a continuation of something? I don't know either of course, just speculating, so feel free to ignore this bit! The Kaplan letter was a funny old thing. I thought it was a third true, a third probably true and a third nonsense. Shook a lot of people up I should think. I wouldn't be amusing myself on FFL without it as I had to join to read it in the files section. I don't know anything about this Kaplan letter. I need to find it somewhere. I'll report back.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Earl's letter http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html Interesting, now that I have read it. If it is all true then more's the pity. If it is partially true then it should give people pause. I think that this letter was written from a place of sincerity and concern by the Kaplans. They were, evidently, privy to all sorts of carefully protected secrets and were part of the inner circle. Whenever the inner circle chooses to speak about the things that go on close to the center of things it can mean one of two things: they are speaking the truth or they are disgruntled and making things up. I am in no position to know which it is or what percentage is made up of truth and what percentage is simple disgruntlement. Thinking back on what Robin has said about his own realization of his enlightenment it appears to closely jive with that Kaplan claims of what TM does to one, which is interesting for me. I am sure Robin has seen this letter as has everyone else on the planet except, apparently, me. Some of this troubles me as a sort of one-man's-viewpoint analysis because it is terribly damning and yet I am so removed from the TM Movement and even TM itself I find I am untouched. Still, this letter has evidently been influential and has created some serious doubts about MMY in many people's minds. I have to say, I feel badly, on one level for the Kaplans because they gave a lot to what they believed was true and good and right. In reading his letter I also realize Kaplan is going to survive it all and come out the other side intact. What is he and his brother doing now? From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in Sligo. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS. Ah, pub eh? No wonder you out scored me, I must have forgotten what real English life is all about. Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. In summer 2006 he was living in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl Kaplan letter. He stopped meditating. I still think that if he had continued doing TM, he'd still be alive. Of course, I could be wrong... Wow, sad story Share and I don't mean to pry, but are you punishing yourself about the TM thing? Or did he develop high blood pressure afterwards (or anything relevant healthwise). I've known a lot of people in the TMO die of all sorts of common things that you'd think we'd be immune to given all the claims made, so maybe it was just a continuation of something? I don't know either of course, just speculating, so feel free to ignore this bit! The Kaplan letter was a funny old thing. I thought it was a third true, a third probably true and a third nonsense. Shook a lot of people up I should think. I wouldn't be amusing myself on FFL without it as I had to join to read it in the files section. I don't know anything about this Kaplan letter. I need to find it somewhere. I'll report back.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
I did enjoy those old pre-TMSP residence courses. Marshy's droning was soporific enough but Domash tapes took the cake for putting you to sleep. Might have been luck of the draw but I can't remember a single residence course where the food was less than the best. Being starry eyed about TM helped the experiences along quite a bit. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 1:56 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you are such delightful proof that the TMO is not a cult (-: It's funny you should say that, it was this course and all the things I saw that convinced me I was in the wrong place! But wild experiences help one forgive a lot of dubious beliefs and corrupt practises. I do miss going on courses though, but it's all changed from the old days of tea on the lawn and a tape of Marshy droning to fall asleep to. The more I knew about the TMO and it's belief system, the less I liked it, I'm just not religious. Never any regrets though, it's all part of life's rich tapestry. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:23 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : TMSP for 9 hours a day! Yeah, I bet there were a few ups and downs...yeow. 9 hours a day for a year I might add It made me the man I am today! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Let's hope there is som kind of Sea of God also for atheists :-) Of course there is we just call it sea of seratonin. Not as romantic or catchy I admit ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : yeah, it is all intent and experience. If someone has not yet drowned in the sea of God, then the whole thing seems like bullshit, and some sort of ultimately cruel joke and fuck TM. On the other hand... Delicious term though Jim, drowned in a sea of God sums up a lot of my course experiences when I was doing TMSP for 9 hours a day. Chakratastic it was. Some of the time, at others not so much... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's a distinction lost on the poor souls posting solely for boosting their small, angry ego's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Once again, your lack of experience is showing. What Maharishi is talking about when he says no trace of the individual remains, is that the individual in isolation, in ego prison, seemingly cut off from the rest of the vast and vibrant universe, no longer exists. It is not as if we actually dematerialize, or lose our ability to continue to evolve. You have such little experience with enlightenment, about two weeks of dirty witnessing, for your 68 years, so you would not be expected to understand what Maharishi was saying. He was speaking to those at his level of consciousness; enlightened individuals who live the experience, both of being individuals, carrying out their individual desires, while at the same time, perfectly merged with the desires of the Universe. You have quite a ways to go, before you will live the truth of what Maharishi has said. Too bad you had to show us your lack of comprehension and experience, regarding spiritual liberation, but it certainly is not the first time. I wish you well, but you would be better served, keeping quiet about that which you know so little about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it
I heard these same comments about no rebirth on Maharishi tapes, and people
would argue with him because they wanted 'to come back'. Not too many years
after I learned TM an older, longer term teacher told a story about being with
Maharishi in a kitchen and the Indian woman who was cooking said something
about being reborn, and Maharishi said, 'no we do not want this, we do not want
to be reborn'. End of story.
Rebirth is a weird concept and seems to me grossly misunderstood. In religion
it is a control vector, used to keep people in line, like the concept of sin in
the Judeo-Christian-Moslem religions. If you stomp on that bug, there will be
hell to pay later. It will come back to you. But the mechanics of how what you
do will come back to you are especially vague, how that actually would be
accomplished, you know, with real world examples and/or counter examples. It is
one of those slippery, non-provable metaphysical ideas. It keeps you a slave in
a certain conceptual context. But it is more interesting to regard the idea in
a larger schema.
All it means is in the conceptual framework of the big self ('Self'), is that
if the individual body-mind sees an object, and the mind interprets that object
as a separate entity and not as Self, and it sees that object as a self, say, a
cat crossing your path, a small 's' cat, then Self is reborn because in that
perception, Self 'died' in not experiencing itself as a continuity of all
things. Rebirth therefore takes place in present time, not in the future. No
one lives and dies in the future, that is a projection of the mind, an
anticipation the mind creates. The whole enlightenment trip is to undo that
faulty perception. Because the individuality is a fiction created by the mind,
it cannot survive anyway because it is not real. So even if you die in total
ignorance, you are still dead forever. You are really un-dead because
individuality was never really alive in terms of the whole context of things.
And as the un-dead, since you are already dead, you cannot therefore die. What
a fascinating way to be immortal.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be
able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised
that it hasn't happened before now.
The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his
own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened
would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a
person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was
really enlightened.
In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would
have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to
his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no
individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the
ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self)
known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't
send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on
the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi.
I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they
were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and
saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there
is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC.
And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No,
there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an
enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body
falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game
over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all
the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know.
And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the
art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the
same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened
person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come
to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does
that imply?
Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or
situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received
messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1)
Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was
WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi
was never enlightened.
If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve
this WTF quandary for me.
I
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you are such delightful proof that the TMO is not a cult (-: It's funny you should say that, it was this course and all the things I saw that convinced me I was in the wrong place! But wild experiences help one forgive a lot of dubious beliefs and corrupt practises. I do miss going on courses though, but it's all changed from the old days of tea on the lawn and a tape of Marshy droning to fall asleep to. The more I knew about the TMO and it's belief system, the less I liked it, I'm just not religious. Never any regrets though, it's all part of life's rich tapestry. Exctly. I loved the level at which I was meditating and involved all those years ago. It suited me and I never felt cheated or duped. I simply lost interest around 1986 and never looked back - oh, until I got engaged in FFL!
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I did enjoy those old pre-TMSP residence courses. Marshy's droning was soporific enough but Domash tapes took the cake for putting you to sleep. Might have been luck of the draw but I can't remember a single residence course where the food was less than the best. Being starry eyed about TM helped the experiences along quite a bit. Domash was an arrogant, smug bastard. I hadn't seen him for a while until I watched that recruitment tape posted here the other day. He certainly was useful to the cause though, while he was involved. Had his pick of the women too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you are such delightful proof that the TMO is not a cult (-: It's funny you should say that, it was this course and all the things I saw that convinced me I was in the wrong place! But wild experiences help one forgive a lot of dubious beliefs and corrupt practises. I do miss going on courses though, but it's all changed from the old days of tea on the lawn and a tape of Marshy droning to fall asleep to. The more I knew about the TMO and it's belief system, the less I liked it, I'm just not religious. Never any regrets though, it's all part of life's rich tapestry. Exctly. I loved the level at which I was meditating and involved all those years ago. It suited me and I never felt cheated or duped. I simply lost interest around 1986 and never looked back - oh, until I got engaged in FFL! Dearest Sweet Ann, You got engaged in FFL? Who's the lucky man? May I be the first to congratulate him and to wish you all the best that Life has to offer. When's The Big Date? Drinks all around on The Lucky Mystery Man! Cheers! from nycLife Broken-Hearted Dan (now I've said it) P.S. Does hubby know? Does he read FFL? Your secret is safe with me... ...but some of these Others...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I did enjoy those old pre-TMSP residence courses. Marshy's droning was soporific enough but Domash tapes took the cake for putting you to sleep. Might have been luck of the draw but I can't remember a single residence course where the food was less than the best. Being starry eyed about TM helped the experiences along quite a bit. Domash was an arrogant, smug bastard. I hadn't seen him for a while until I watched that recruitment tape posted here the other day. He certainly was useful to the cause though, while he was involved. Had his pick of the women too. Dear Ann, As a recently engages woman, would you say that smug men have more appeal and are more desirable. Because... ...I can do smug. I'm well fixed this week, as standing 6'2 is all it takes (finally!). But getting off of me for a second [did that sound right to you?], I'm just wondering. Wondereing and wandering down Broadway (it's 1 1/2 mi walk to the Tents. P.S. Is there any need for me to elaborate on the Dear Ann reference?
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salyavin, I must warn you: I once fell in love with a man who talked about life's rich tapestry! And he was also from England! But 100% Irish. Anyway, I'm glad you continue to practice TM. More proof that TMO is not a cult (-: On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:56 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you are such delightful proof that the TMO is not a cult (-: It's funny you should say that, it was this course and all the things I saw that convinced me I was in the wrong place! But wild experiences help one forgive a lot of dubious beliefs and corrupt practises. I do miss going on courses though, but it's all changed from the old days of tea on the lawn and a tape of Marshy droning to fall asleep to. The more I knew about the TMO and it's belief system, the less I liked it, I'm just not religious. Never any regrets though, it's all part of life's rich tapestry. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:23 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : TMSP for 9 hours a day! Yeah, I bet there were a few ups and downs...yeow. 9 hours a day for a year I might add It made me the man I am today! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Let's hope there is som kind of Sea of God also for atheists :-) Of course there is we just call it sea of seratonin. Not as romantic or catchy I admit ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : yeah, it is all intent and experience. If someone has not yet drowned in the sea of God, then the whole thing seems like bullshit, and some sort of ultimately cruel joke and fuck TM. On the other hand... Delicious term though Jim, drowned in a sea of God sums up a lot of my course experiences when I was doing TMSP for 9 hours a day. Chakratastic it was. Some of the time, at others not so much... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's a distinction lost on the poor souls posting solely for boosting their small, angry ego's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Once again, your lack of experience is showing. What Maharishi is talking about when he says no trace of the individual remains, is that the individual in isolation, in ego prison, seemingly cut off from the rest of the vast and vibrant universe, no longer exists. It is not as if we actually dematerialize, or lose our ability to continue to evolve. You have such little experience with enlightenment, about two weeks of dirty witnessing, for your 68 years, so you would not be expected to understand what Maharishi was saying. He was speaking to those at his level of consciousness; enlightened individuals who live the experience, both of being individuals, carrying out their individual desires, while at the same time, perfectly merged with the desires of the Universe. You have quite a ways to go, before you will live the truth of what Maharishi has said. Too bad you had to show us your lack of comprehension and experience, regarding spiritual liberation, but it certainly is not the first time. I wish you well, but you would be better served, keeping quiet about that which you know so little about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time*
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Excellent post! But I think the reason Marshy was averse to rebirth was he
didn't want to have to pay up for the karma he was creating for himself in his
life this time around.
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:53 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who
are jealous of it
I heard these same comments about no rebirth on Maharishi tapes, and people
would argue with him because they wanted 'to come back'. Not too many years
after I learned TM an older, longer term teacher told a story about being with
Maharishi in a kitchen and the Indian woman who was cooking said something
about being reborn, and Maharishi said, 'no we do not want this, we do not want
to be reborn'. End of story.
Rebirth is a weird concept and seems to me grossly misunderstood. In religion
it is a control vector, used to keep people in line, like the concept of sin in
the Judeo-Christian-Moslem religions. If you stomp on that bug, there will be
hell to pay later. It will come back to you. But the mechanics of how what you
do will come back to you are especially vague, how that actually would be
accomplished, you know, with real world examples and/or counter examples. It is
one of those slippery, non-provable metaphysical ideas. It keeps you a slave in
a certain conceptual context. But it is more interesting to regard the idea in
a larger schema.
All it means is in the conceptual framework of the big self ('Self'), is that
if the individual body-mind sees an object, and the mind interprets that object
as a separate entity and not as Self, and it sees that object as a self, say, a
cat crossing your path, a small 's' cat, then Self is reborn because in that
perception, Self 'died' in not experiencing itself as a continuity of all
things. Rebirth therefore takes place in present time, not in the future. No
one lives and dies in the future, that is a projection of the mind, an
anticipation the mind creates. The whole enlightenment trip is to undo that
faulty perception. Because the individuality is a fiction created by the mind,
it cannot survive anyway because it is not real. So even if you die in total
ignorance, you are still dead forever. You are really un-dead because
individuality was never really alive in terms of the whole context of things.
And as the un-dead, since you are already dead, you
cannot therefore die. What a fascinating way to be immortal.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be
able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised
that it hasn't happened before now.
The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his
own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened
would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a
person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was
really enlightened.
In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would
have to believe that Maharishi was
NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an
enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a
message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop
(or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just
ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including
the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they
don't sign them, Maharishi.
I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they
were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and
saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there
is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC.
And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say,
No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an
enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body
falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game
over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all
the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know.
And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the
art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the
same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened
person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come
to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does
that imply?
Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
Did he make a play for you? From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I did enjoy those old pre-TMSP residence courses. Marshy's droning was soporific enough but Domash tapes took the cake for putting you to sleep. Might have been luck of the draw but I can't remember a single residence course where the food was less than the best. Being starry eyed about TM helped the experiences along quite a bit. Domash was an arrogant, smug bastard. I hadn't seen him for a while until I watched that recruitment tape posted here the other day. He certainly was useful to the cause though, while he was involved. Had his pick of the women too.
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http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-dcd-1_05-cv-02244/pdf/USCOURTS-dcd-1_05-cv-02244-0.pdf From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I did enjoy those old pre-TMSP residence courses. Marshy's droning was soporific enough but Domash tapes took the cake for putting you to sleep. Might have been luck of the draw but I can't remember a single residence course where the food was less than the best. Being starry eyed about TM helped the experiences along quite a bit. Domash was an arrogant, smug bastard. I hadn't seen him for a while until I watched that recruitment tape posted here the other day. He certainly was useful to the cause though, while he was involved. Had his pick of the women too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
I remember a residence course I went to years and years ago at Pac Pal, we were exposed to hours and hours of L.Domash. After one lecture ended (here I am at an 'advanced' course and they're still trying to sell me on TM) I asked the course leader if he could play ANYTHING of MMY in lieu of L. Domash, shortly thereafter another course participant came up to me and said he felt the same way and was glad I spoke up. In those days they were ALWAYS trying to sell you on something. Through the window of science we see the dawn of the age of boredom, err, enlightenment.
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In those days they were ALWAYS trying to sell you on something So the Movement can at least get points for consistency as nothing has changed. From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] I remember a residence course I went to years and years ago at Pac Pal, we were exposed to hours and hours of L.Domash. After one lecture ended (here I am at an 'advanced' course and they're still trying to sell me on TM) I asked the course leader if he could play ANYTHING of MMY in lieu of L. Domash, shortly thereafter another course participant came up to me and said he felt the same way and was glad I spoke up. In those days they were ALWAYS trying to sell you on something. Through the window of science we see the dawn of the age of boredom, err, enlightenment.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I remember a residence course I went to years and years ago at Pac Pal, we were exposed to hours and hours of L.Domash. After one lecture ended (here I am at an 'advanced' course and they're still trying to sell me on TM) I asked the course leader if he could play ANYTHING of MMY in lieu of L. Domash, shortly thereafter another course participant came up to me and said he felt the same way and was glad I spoke up. In those days they were ALWAYS trying to sell you on something. Through the window of science we see the dawn of the age of boredom, err, enlightenment. Dear wgm4u, To explain: During Kali Yuga the need for greater knowledge, power, happiness, love, peace, prosperity, and consciousness is very strong. Science emerges in Kali-Yuga. Scientific enough?
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Actually, according to a great Indian saint we are actually in Dwapara Yuga, (Swami Sri Yukteswar). The Holy Science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Science http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Science The Holy Science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Science The Holy Science is a book written by Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri in 1894 under the title Kaivalya Darsanam. Sri Yukteswar states that he wrote The Ho... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Science Preview by Yahoo
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Snicker.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Actually, according to a great Indian saint we are actually in Dwapara Yuga, (Swami Sri Yukteswar). Dear wgm4u, Since you went through all that trouble to Wikipedia this, I'll offer my helpful views. Wikipedia, as you may not know, is a collection of opinions from a diverse group of people, none of who may be expert. This results in kind of lowest common denominator of 'thought' (I use that word sparingly here). At times it leads to conflict, where one non-expert ends up dominating his differing non-expert's views. You can see where I'm headed. Better to find these things out first hand. Anything else I can help you with? p.s. i know it's free AND it's on the Internet, but that don't make it so. The Holy Science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Science http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Science The Holy Science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Science The Holy Science is a book written by Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri in 1894 under the title Kaivalya Darsanam. Sri Yukteswar states that he wrote The Ho... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Science Preview by Yahoo
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Snicker. wgm4u, What can I say? I find myself speechless for the second time today. Your wisdom does that to me. P.S. Did you mean the candy bar? If so, please write in more complete sentences. You know verbs et al.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I must warn you: I once fell in love with a man who talked about life's rich tapestry! And he was also from England! But 100% Irish. Anyway, I'm glad you continue to practice TM. More proof that TMO is not a cult (-: Cool, what part of the emerald isle was he from? It's obviously hard to draw conclusions about a country's citizens just from the ones I've met but I always got on really well with the Irish when I was abroad. I'd end up working as I travelled and there were always loads of ex-pats to hang around with. Had much fun and many hangovers! I can still fit in with the movement funnily enough, but the language freaks me out and I'm very suspicious of how they talk to me as though they expect I agree with the TM worldview. Which I don't, this is the main reason I had to go. I felt like a Catholic working at a synagogue. But worse because I'm basically an atheist sceptic and after a while other people's talk about spiritual stuff makes me wince. So we are probably all happier with me on this side of the fence but still meditating ;-) Talking of cults, I just had lunch with an old TM friend, they seem to be plodding on with it all but nobody new seems to be joining the hardcore movement. I don't know what puts them off these days, maybe the lot in Skem all needed Marshy to inspire them to join up. Or maybe people just aren't as easily fooled as I was, but I leapt at the chance to get more enlightened, it was a natural progression. I can't believe newbies aren't having the sort experiences they want to expand on. Maybe the alternative lifestyle isn't enough of a meme to attract people in this sort of hard economic climate? On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:56 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you are such delightful proof that the TMO is not a cult (-: It's funny you should say that, it was this course and all the things I saw that convinced me I was in the wrong place! But wild experiences help one forgive a lot of dubious beliefs and corrupt practises. I do miss going on courses though, but it's all changed from the old days of tea on the lawn and a tape of Marshy droning to fall asleep to. The more I knew about the TMO and it's belief system, the less I liked it, I'm just not religious. Never any regrets though, it's all part of life's rich tapestry. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:23 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : TMSP for 9 hours a day! Yeah, I bet there were a few ups and downs...yeow. 9 hours a day for a year I might add It made me the man I am today! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Let's hope there is som kind of Sea of God also for atheists :-) Of course there is we just call it sea of seratonin. Not as romantic or catchy I admit ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : yeah, it is all intent and experience. If someone has not yet drowned in the sea of God, then the whole thing seems like bullshit, and some sort of ultimately cruel joke and fuck TM. On the other hand... Delicious term though Jim, drowned in a sea of God sums up a lot of my course experiences when I was doing TMSP for 9 hours a day. Chakratastic it was. Some of the time, at others not so much... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's a distinction lost on the poor souls posting solely for boosting their small, angry ego's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Once again, your lack of experience is showing. What Maharishi is talking about when he says no trace of the individual remains, is that the individual in isolation, in ego prison, seemingly cut off from the rest of the vast and vibrant universe, no longer exists. It is not as if we actually dematerialize, or lose our ability to continue to evolve. You have such little experience with enlightenment, about two weeks of dirty witnessing, for your 68 years, so you would not be expected to understand what Maharishi was saying. He was speaking to those at his level of consciousness; enlightened individuals who live the experience, both of being individuals, carrying out their individual desires, while at the same time, perfectly merged with the desires of the Universe. You have quite a ways to go, before you will live the truth of what Maharishi has said. Too bad you had to show us your lack of comprehension and experience, regarding spiritual liberation, but it certainly is not the first time. I wish you well, but you would be better served, keeping quiet about
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Did he make a play for you? No he did not but at the time I would have thought it would have been pretty great if he had. I've grown up now - I think. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I did enjoy those old pre-TMSP residence courses. Marshy's droning was soporific enough but Domash tapes took the cake for putting you to sleep. Might have been luck of the draw but I can't remember a single residence course where the food was less than the best. Being starry eyed about TM helped the experiences along quite a bit. Domash was an arrogant, smug bastard. I hadn't seen him for a while until I watched that recruitment tape posted here the other day. He certainly was useful to the cause though, while he was involved. Had his pick of the women too.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I did enjoy those old pre-TMSP residence courses. Marshy's droning was soporific enough but Domash tapes took the cake for putting you to sleep. Might have been luck of the draw but I can't remember a single residence course where the food was less than the best. Being starry eyed about TM helped the experiences along quite a bit. Domash was an arrogant, smug bastard. I hadn't seen him for a while until I watched that recruitment tape posted here the other day. He certainly was useful to the cause though, while he was involved. Had his pick of the women too. Dear Ann, As a recently engages woman, would you say that smug men have more appeal and are more desirable. Because... ...I can do smug. I'm well fixed this week, as standing 6'2 is all it takes (finally!). But getting off of me for a second [did that sound right to you?], I'm just wondering. Wondereing and wandering down Broadway (it's 1 1/2 mi walk to the Tents. P.S. Is there any need for me to elaborate on the Dear Ann reference? I can see that you are smitten. It's the story of my life. But just remember: panting and drooling like a eager puppy is the opposite of smug - but I do like dogs, especially puppies.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-dcd-1_05-cv-02244/pdf/USCOURTS-dcd-1_05-cv-02244-0.pdf http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-dcd-1_05-cv-02244/pdf/USCOURTS-dcd-1_05-cv-02244-0.pdf Well this is quite interesting but what happened in the end?? From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I did enjoy those old pre-TMSP residence courses. Marshy's droning was soporific enough but Domash tapes took the cake for putting you to sleep. Might have been luck of the draw but I can't remember a single residence course where the food was less than the best. Being starry eyed about TM helped the experiences along quite a bit. Domash was an arrogant, smug bastard. I hadn't seen him for a while until I watched that recruitment tape posted here the other day. He certainly was useful to the cause though, while he was involved. Had his pick of the women too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I did enjoy those old pre-TMSP residence courses. Marshy's droning was soporific enough but Domash tapes took the cake for putting you to sleep. Might have been luck of the draw but I can't remember a single residence course where the food was less than the best. Being starry eyed about TM helped the experiences along quite a bit. Domash was an arrogant, smug bastard. I hadn't seen him for a while until I watched that recruitment tape posted here the other day. He certainly was useful to the cause though, while he was involved. Had his pick of the women too. Dear Ann, As a recently engages woman, would you say that smug men have more appeal and are more desirable. Because... ...I can do smug. I'm well fixed this week, as standing 6'2 is all it takes (finally!). But getting off of me for a second [did that sound right to you?], I'm just wondering. Wondereing and wandering down Broadway (it's 1 1/2 mi walk to the Tents. P.S. Is there any need for me to elaborate on the Dear Ann reference? I can see that you are smitten. It's the story of my life. But just remember: panting and drooling like a eager puppy is the opposite of smug - but I do like dogs, especially puppies. Dear Ann, As a recently engages woman, would you say that smug men have more appeal and are more desirable. Because... ...I can do smug. I'm well fixed this week, as standing 6'2 is all it takes (finally!). But getting off of me for a second [did that sound right to you?], I'm just wondering. Wondereing and wandering down Broadway (it's 1 1/2 mi walk to the Tents. P.S. Is there any need for me to elaborate on the Dear Ann reference? I can see that you are smitten. It's the story of my life. But just remember: panting and drooling like a eager puppy is the opposite of smug - but I do like dogs, especially puppies. Dear Ann, As a recently engages woman, would you say that smug men have more appeal and are more desirable. Because... ...I can do smug. I'm well fixed this week, as standing 6'2 is all it takes (finally!). But getting off of me for a second [did that sound right to you?], I'm just wondering. Wondereing and wandering down Broadway (it's 1 1/2 mi walk to the Tents. P.S. Is there any need for me to elaborate on the Dear Ann reference? I can see that you are smitten. It's the story of my life. But just remember: panting and drooling like a eager puppy is the opposite of smug - but I do like dogs, especially puppies. You got some real horse-sense. Horse people tell me that horses are pretty much just like big dogs…the plains Indians used to call them “Elk-dogs”…so I’m going to take you thinking of me as an eager puppy as a positive signal. I've been called a dog before, but not in such an affectionate way. Still 'Wondereing' why does that sqigly red line keep showing up?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
Let's hope there is som kind of Sea of God also for atheists :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : yeah, it is all intent and experience. If someone has not yet drowned in the sea of God, then the whole thing seems like bullshit, and some sort of ultimately cruel joke and fuck TM. On the other hand... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's a distinction lost on the poor souls posting solely for boosting their small, angry ego's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Once again, your lack of experience is showing. What Maharishi is talking about when he says no trace of the individual remains, is that the individual in isolation, in ego prison, seemingly cut off from the rest of the vast and vibrant universe, no longer exists. It is not as if we actually dematerialize, or lose our ability to continue to evolve. You have such little experience with enlightenment, about two weeks of dirty witnessing, for your 68 years, so you would not be expected to understand what Maharishi was saying. He was speaking to those at his level of consciousness; enlightened individuals who live the experience, both of being individuals, carrying out their individual desires, while at the same time, perfectly merged with the desires of the Universe. You have quite a ways to go, before you will live the truth of what Maharishi has said. Too bad you had to show us your lack of comprehension and experience, regarding spiritual liberation, but it certainly is not the first time. I wish you well, but you would be better served, keeping quiet about that which you know so little about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or Lawson) not knowing what Maharishi's teachings were about the impossibility of individuality after death in CC. But Jerry? I've heard him parrot those teachings, and in that I *know* the Truth so you *really* should believe me tone of voice he used to use in lectures. So if
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Let's hope there is som kind of Sea of God also for atheists :-) Of course there is we just call it sea of seratonin. Not as romantic or catchy I admit ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : yeah, it is all intent and experience. If someone has not yet drowned in the sea of God, then the whole thing seems like bullshit, and some sort of ultimately cruel joke and fuck TM. On the other hand... Delicious term though Jim, drowned in a sea of God sums up a lot of my course experiences when I was doing TMSP for 9 hours a day. Chakratastic it was. Some of the time, at others not so much... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's a distinction lost on the poor souls posting solely for boosting their small, angry ego's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Once again, your lack of experience is showing. What Maharishi is talking about when he says no trace of the individual remains, is that the individual in isolation, in ego prison, seemingly cut off from the rest of the vast and vibrant universe, no longer exists. It is not as if we actually dematerialize, or lose our ability to continue to evolve. You have such little experience with enlightenment, about two weeks of dirty witnessing, for your 68 years, so you would not be expected to understand what Maharishi was saying. He was speaking to those at his level of consciousness; enlightened individuals who live the experience, both of being individuals, carrying out their individual desires, while at the same time, perfectly merged with the desires of the Universe. You have quite a ways to go, before you will live the truth of what Maharishi has said. Too bad you had to show us your lack of comprehension and experience, regarding spiritual liberation, but it certainly is not the first time. I wish you well, but you would be better served, keeping quiet about that which you know so little about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
Oh, there is. Simply because someone is incapable of seeing something, doesn't mean it is not there. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Let's hope there is som kind of Sea of God also for atheists :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : yeah, it is all intent and experience. If someone has not yet drowned in the sea of God, then the whole thing seems like bullshit, and some sort of ultimately cruel joke and fuck TM. On the other hand... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's a distinction lost on the poor souls posting solely for boosting their small, angry ego's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Once again, your lack of experience is showing. What Maharishi is talking about when he says no trace of the individual remains, is that the individual in isolation, in ego prison, seemingly cut off from the rest of the vast and vibrant universe, no longer exists. It is not as if we actually dematerialize, or lose our ability to continue to evolve. You have such little experience with enlightenment, about two weeks of dirty witnessing, for your 68 years, so you would not be expected to understand what Maharishi was saying. He was speaking to those at his level of consciousness; enlightened individuals who live the experience, both of being individuals, carrying out their individual desires, while at the same time, perfectly merged with the desires of the Universe. You have quite a ways to go, before you will live the truth of what Maharishi has said. Too bad you had to show us your lack of comprehension and experience, regarding spiritual liberation, but it certainly is not the first time. I wish you well, but you would be better served, keeping quiet about that which you know so little about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or Lawson) not knowing what Maharishi's teachings were about the impossibility of individuality after
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
TMSP for 9 hours a day! Yeah, I bet there were a few ups and downs...yeow. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Let's hope there is som kind of Sea of God also for atheists :-) Of course there is we just call it sea of seratonin. Not as romantic or catchy I admit ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : yeah, it is all intent and experience. If someone has not yet drowned in the sea of God, then the whole thing seems like bullshit, and some sort of ultimately cruel joke and fuck TM. On the other hand... Delicious term though Jim, drowned in a sea of God sums up a lot of my course experiences when I was doing TMSP for 9 hours a day. Chakratastic it was. Some of the time, at others not so much... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's a distinction lost on the poor souls posting solely for boosting their small, angry ego's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Once again, your lack of experience is showing. What Maharishi is talking about when he says no trace of the individual remains, is that the individual in isolation, in ego prison, seemingly cut off from the rest of the vast and vibrant universe, no longer exists. It is not as if we actually dematerialize, or lose our ability to continue to evolve. You have such little experience with enlightenment, about two weeks of dirty witnessing, for your 68 years, so you would not be expected to understand what Maharishi was saying. He was speaking to those at his level of consciousness; enlightened individuals who live the experience, both of being individuals, carrying out their individual desires, while at the same time, perfectly merged with the desires of the Universe. You have quite a ways to go, before you will live the truth of what Maharishi has said. Too bad you had to show us your lack of comprehension and experience, regarding spiritual liberation, but it certainly is not the first time. I wish you well, but you would be better served, keeping quiet about that which you know so little about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : TMSP for 9 hours a day! Yeah, I bet there were a few ups and downs...yeow. 9 hours a day for a year I might add It made me the man I am today! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Let's hope there is som kind of Sea of God also for atheists :-) Of course there is we just call it sea of seratonin. Not as romantic or catchy I admit ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : yeah, it is all intent and experience. If someone has not yet drowned in the sea of God, then the whole thing seems like bullshit, and some sort of ultimately cruel joke and fuck TM. On the other hand... Delicious term though Jim, drowned in a sea of God sums up a lot of my course experiences when I was doing TMSP for 9 hours a day. Chakratastic it was. Some of the time, at others not so much... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's a distinction lost on the poor souls posting solely for boosting their small, angry ego's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Once again, your lack of experience is showing. What Maharishi is talking about when he says no trace of the individual remains, is that the individual in isolation, in ego prison, seemingly cut off from the rest of the vast and vibrant universe, no longer exists. It is not as if we actually dematerialize, or lose our ability to continue to evolve. You have such little experience with enlightenment, about two weeks of dirty witnessing, for your 68 years, so you would not be expected to understand what Maharishi was saying. He was speaking to those at his level of consciousness; enlightened individuals who live the experience, both of being individuals, carrying out their individual desires, while at the same time, perfectly merged with the desires of the Universe. You have quite a ways to go, before you will live the truth of what Maharishi has said. Too bad you had to show us your lack of comprehension and experience, regarding spiritual liberation, but it certainly is not the first time. I wish you well, but you would be better served, keeping quiet about that which you know so little about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
You seem pretty balanced out, so whatever it was, it worked. Seratonin Consciousness - lol. Took me years of intense physical exercise to integrate all the TM and TMSP. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : TMSP for 9 hours a day! Yeah, I bet there were a few ups and downs...yeow. 9 hours a day for a year I might add It made me the man I am today! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Let's hope there is som kind of Sea of God also for atheists :-) Of course there is we just call it sea of seratonin. Not as romantic or catchy I admit ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : yeah, it is all intent and experience. If someone has not yet drowned in the sea of God, then the whole thing seems like bullshit, and some sort of ultimately cruel joke and fuck TM. On the other hand... Delicious term though Jim, drowned in a sea of God sums up a lot of my course experiences when I was doing TMSP for 9 hours a day. Chakratastic it was. Some of the time, at others not so much... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's a distinction lost on the poor souls posting solely for boosting their small, angry ego's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Once again, your lack of experience is showing. What Maharishi is talking about when he says no trace of the individual remains, is that the individual in isolation, in ego prison, seemingly cut off from the rest of the vast and vibrant universe, no longer exists. It is not as if we actually dematerialize, or lose our ability to continue to evolve. You have such little experience with enlightenment, about two weeks of dirty witnessing, for your 68 years, so you would not be expected to understand what Maharishi was saying. He was speaking to those at his level of consciousness; enlightened individuals who live the experience, both of being individuals, carrying out their individual desires, while at the same time, perfectly merged with the desires of the Universe. You have quite a ways to go, before you will live the truth of what Maharishi has said. Too bad you had to show us your lack of comprehension and experience, regarding spiritual liberation, but it certainly is not the first time. I wish you well, but you would be better served, keeping quiet about that which you know so little about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
salyavin, you are such delightful proof that the TMO is not a cult (-: On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:23 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : TMSP for 9 hours a day! Yeah, I bet there were a few ups and downs...yeow. 9 hours a day for a year I might add It made me the man I am today! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Let's hope there is som kind of Sea of God also for atheists :-) Of course there is we just call it sea of seratonin. Not as romantic or catchy I admit ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : yeah, it is all intent and experience. If someone has not yet drowned in the sea of God, then the whole thing seems like bullshit, and some sort of ultimately cruel joke and fuck TM. On the other hand... Delicious term though Jim, drowned in a sea of God sums up a lot of my course experiences when I was doing TMSP for 9 hours a day. Chakratastic it was. Some of the time, at others not so much... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's a distinction lost on the poor souls posting solely for boosting their small, angry ego's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Once again, your lack of experience is showing. What Maharishi is talking about when he says no trace of the individual remains, is that the individual in isolation, in ego prison, seemingly cut off from the rest of the vast and vibrant universe, no longer exists. It is not as if we actually dematerialize, or lose our ability to continue to evolve. You have such little experience with enlightenment, about two weeks of dirty witnessing, for your 68 years, so you would not be expected to understand what Maharishi was saying. He was speaking to those at his level of consciousness; enlightened individuals who live the experience, both of being individuals, carrying out their individual desires, while at the same time, perfectly merged with the desires of the Universe. You have quite a ways to go, before you will live the truth of what Maharishi has said. Too bad you had to show us your lack of comprehension and experience, regarding spiritual liberation, but it certainly is not the first time. I wish you well, but you would be better served, keeping quiet about that which you know so little about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you are such delightful proof that the TMO is not a cult (-: It's funny you should say that, it was this course and all the things I saw that convinced me I was in the wrong place! But wild experiences help one forgive a lot of dubious beliefs and corrupt practises. I do miss going on courses though, but it's all changed from the old days of tea on the lawn and a tape of Marshy droning to fall asleep to. The more I knew about the TMO and it's belief system, the less I liked it, I'm just not religious. Never any regrets though, it's all part of life's rich tapestry. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:23 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : TMSP for 9 hours a day! Yeah, I bet there were a few ups and downs...yeow. 9 hours a day for a year I might add It made me the man I am today! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Let's hope there is som kind of Sea of God also for atheists :-) Of course there is we just call it sea of seratonin. Not as romantic or catchy I admit ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : yeah, it is all intent and experience. If someone has not yet drowned in the sea of God, then the whole thing seems like bullshit, and some sort of ultimately cruel joke and fuck TM. On the other hand... Delicious term though Jim, drowned in a sea of God sums up a lot of my course experiences when I was doing TMSP for 9 hours a day. Chakratastic it was. Some of the time, at others not so much... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's a distinction lost on the poor souls posting solely for boosting their small, angry ego's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Once again, your lack of experience is showing. What Maharishi is talking about when he says no trace of the individual remains, is that the individual in isolation, in ego prison, seemingly cut off from the rest of the vast and vibrant universe, no longer exists. It is not as if we actually dematerialize, or lose our ability to continue to evolve. You have such little experience with enlightenment, about two weeks of dirty witnessing, for your 68 years, so you would not be expected to understand what Maharishi was saying. He was speaking to those at his level of consciousness; enlightened individuals who live the experience, both of being individuals, carrying out their individual desires, while at the same time, perfectly merged with the desires of the Universe. You have quite a ways to go, before you will live the truth of what Maharishi has said. Too bad you had to show us your lack of comprehension and experience, regarding spiritual liberation, but it certainly is not the first time. I wish you well, but you would be better served, keeping quiet about that which you know so little about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
That's a distinction lost on the poor souls posting solely for boosting their small, angry ego's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Once again, your lack of experience is showing. What Maharishi is talking about when he says no trace of the individual remains, is that the individual in isolation, in ego prison, seemingly cut off from the rest of the vast and vibrant universe, no longer exists. It is not as if we actually dematerialize, or lose our ability to continue to evolve. You have such little experience with enlightenment, about two weeks of dirty witnessing, for your 68 years, so you would not be expected to understand what Maharishi was saying. He was speaking to those at his level of consciousness; enlightened individuals who live the experience, both of being individuals, carrying out their individual desires, while at the same time, perfectly merged with the desires of the Universe. You have quite a ways to go, before you will live the truth of what Maharishi has said. Too bad you had to show us your lack of comprehension and experience, regarding spiritual liberation, but it certainly is not the first time. I wish you well, but you would be better served, keeping quiet about that which you know so little about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or Lawson) not knowing what Maharishi's teachings were about the impossibility of individuality after death in CC. But Jerry? I've heard him parrot those teachings, and in that I *know* the Truth so you *really* should believe me tone of voice he used to use in lectures. So if he is willing to entertain even the *possibility* that these messages really come from a now-dead Maharishi who still has individuality, what does that imply about what he (Jerry) now believes? Was the teaching wrong, or was it right, and Maharishi just never enlightened?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
yeah, it is all intent and experience. If someone has not yet drowned in the sea of God, then the whole thing seems like bullshit, and some sort of ultimately cruel joke and fuck TM. On the other hand... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's a distinction lost on the poor souls posting solely for boosting their small, angry ego's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Once again, your lack of experience is showing. What Maharishi is talking about when he says no trace of the individual remains, is that the individual in isolation, in ego prison, seemingly cut off from the rest of the vast and vibrant universe, no longer exists. It is not as if we actually dematerialize, or lose our ability to continue to evolve. You have such little experience with enlightenment, about two weeks of dirty witnessing, for your 68 years, so you would not be expected to understand what Maharishi was saying. He was speaking to those at his level of consciousness; enlightened individuals who live the experience, both of being individuals, carrying out their individual desires, while at the same time, perfectly merged with the desires of the Universe. You have quite a ways to go, before you will live the truth of what Maharishi has said. Too bad you had to show us your lack of comprehension and experience, regarding spiritual liberation, but it certainly is not the first time. I wish you well, but you would be better served, keeping quiet about that which you know so little about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or Lawson) not knowing what Maharishi's teachings were about the impossibility of individuality after death in CC. But Jerry? I've heard him parrot those teachings, and in that I *know* the Truth so you *really* should believe me tone of voice he used to use in lectures. So if he is willing to entertain even the *possibility* that these messages really come from a now-dead Maharishi who still has individuality,
