[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Hey, PaliGap, nice to see you here again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: (snip I remember when I first started to hop, after a couple days. I had found myself bouncing--involuntarily--without getting off the foam. After awhile, I let go of something somehow mentally, and then I immediately began to hop. Let 'er rip describes it, but I don't know whether that's the same as what you experienced. It's as if I had not been letting the sutra do its job, rather than that I had started voluntarily to push myself up off the foam. Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else. I don't think I am a 'TB'. On the other hand the facts is the facts. I find it hard to 'explain away'. Believe me - I've tried (though coward-like I remain agnostic). Me too. The various theories that have been proposed to explain it away, it seems to me, raise as many questions as they answer. *Something* unusual is going on neurophysiologically. The only indication I have that it has anything to do with levitation, however, is that on a couple of occasions for a split-second at the apex of a hop, I've suddenly known that staying up in the air would be perfectly natural--in the same way I know I'm going to come right down again on all other occasions. Just as it did on that occasion. Exactly. I made that quite clear: But of course that goes away virtually instantaneously. You wouldn't be able to capture any in-air hesitation with any kind of measuring instrument or camera. The feeling might go away instantaneously but to an observer you never shifted from the parabolic curve you started when you lifted off. (You don't mean but here, you mean and.) Exactly. Nor could you capture any shift *with any kind of measuring instrument or camera*--as I just got done saying. So it doesn't really matter how you feel when jumping in the air, As I said, the feeling I had those few times was no different than the feeling that I was going to come down all the other times: in both cases it was a *certainty*, a knowingness, not just a feeling. all that matters from a is levitation possible viewpoint is whether you stay there or not. Exactly. Where did I say otherwise? And of *course* a slo-mo camera would capture any mid air hesitation, if there was any. Exactly. That's why I said (see above) no camera (or any kind of measuring instrument) would capture any hesitation. There's a lesson for you in this, salyavin. Once again, your own preconceptions got in the way of understanding what I wrote, and once again it's made you look a fool. But you know what? Your thinking is so inflexible, you'll never learn that lesson. (snip) It's like driving a car somewhere and when you arrive you realise you can't remember the journey. The body is easily capable of doing familiar routines without conscious input so your mind can wander off and do other stuff. Couple that with an altered state of consciousness and the strong expectation of actual flight and we can believe anything that happens is more than what it is. Except that I had no expectation of actual flight, first; second, I had the experience I described only two or three times out of many thousands of hops; and third, I have no belief that the experience was anything more than what I described. Any casual observer will tell you the truth of it. The casual observer has no way of knowing what was going on in my head. I have no explanation for what I experienced. I mentioned it only to point out that it was the *only* experience I ever had while hopping that hopping had anything at all to do with levitation. It came as a complete surprise when it happened, and it obviously bore no relationship to what my body was doing. Hopping itself, for me, had the unusual quality of being involuntary. I can't explain that either. What it didn't have was any physical manifestation of levitation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull. Carol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments: TM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. Part of it is. The mantra and repetition have to begin the process Actually not, not if repetition means more than one iteration of the mantra. You could conceivably think it *once* and immediately transcend, even go through the whole mantra-transcend-thoughts cycle multiple times during a meditation without ever thinking the mantra twice in a row. Share, the words repeat and repetition *are* used in several places in the checking notes. In most cases, repetition of the mantra does occur, but it's correct to say TM is not *about* repetition. Subtle but crucial distinction. (Caveat: I am not a TM teacher. I took checker training, but I never got around to being certified. If I've gotten anything wrong, corrections from teachers are welcome.) and hopping around involves energy and effort whether you realize this or not. On my siddhis course my friend and I were the last to hop and the instructor sat with us until we did so. Having languished for days watching my friends in my pod plop around on foam and make strange noises my friend and I finally looked at each other and let 'er rip. We had to try or we weren't going to graduate from that summer course. Finally we gave in and joined the crowd. It was never that effortless to bounce and I certainly never flew. So at least on my siddhis course we had to do whatever it took to move off our butts and it involved trying or at least exerting an intention. Maybe it is all in the semantics. The sutras *are* intentions, according to Maharishi. FWIW, on my flying block there were several women who never hopped, and they graduated with the rest of us. They weren't bullied into faking it (as it sounds like you may have been). I can report the same (but 'men'). They weren't happy about not hopping, but the Sidhis administrator (Georgina Wilson) told them not to worry about it, they would still get the benefits of the practice. Trying to hop was most definitely a no-no. Definitely. Certainly hopping involves muscular effort (although the extent to which one is aware of that varies); the question is how the signal to contract is sent to the muscles. For me, it's involuntary--it would take effort *not* to hop. Indeed. It's probably off the program but I would often try forcibly 'not to hop'. But hop I did. It's like a yawn or a sneeze or the knee-jerk reflex. The signal to the muscles originates somewhere other than it would if I hopped without using the sutra. I remember when I first started to hop, after a couple days. I had found myself bouncing--involuntarily--without getting off the foam. After awhile, I let go of something somehow mentally, and then I immediately began to hop. Let 'er rip describes it, but I don't know whether that's the same as what you experienced. It's as if I had not been letting the sutra do its job, rather than that I had started voluntarily to push myself up off the foam. Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else. I don't think I am a 'TB'. On the other hand the facts is the facts. I find it hard to 'explain away'. Believe me - I've tried (though coward-like I remain agnostic).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
Hey, PaliGap, nice to see you here again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: (snip I remember when I first started to hop, after a couple days. I had found myself bouncing--involuntarily--without getting off the foam. After awhile, I let go of something somehow mentally, and then I immediately began to hop. Let 'er rip describes it, but I don't know whether that's the same as what you experienced. It's as if I had not been letting the sutra do its job, rather than that I had started voluntarily to push myself up off the foam. Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else. I don't think I am a 'TB'. On the other hand the facts is the facts. I find it hard to 'explain away'. Believe me - I've tried (though coward-like I remain agnostic). Me too. The various theories that have been proposed to explain it away, it seems to me, raise as many questions as they answer. *Something* unusual is going on neurophysiologically. The only indication I have that it has anything to do with levitation, however, is that on a couple of occasions for a split-second at the apex of a hop, I've suddenly known that staying up in the air would be perfectly natural--in the same way I know I'm going to come right down again on all other occasions. But of course that goes away virtually instantaneously. You wouldn't be able to capture any in-air hesitation with any kind of measuring instrument or camera.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Hey, PaliGap, nice to see you here again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: (snip I remember when I first started to hop, after a couple days. I had found myself bouncing--involuntarily--without getting off the foam. After awhile, I let go of something somehow mentally, and then I immediately began to hop. Let 'er rip describes it, but I don't know whether that's the same as what you experienced. It's as if I had not been letting the sutra do its job, rather than that I had started voluntarily to push myself up off the foam. Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else. I don't think I am a 'TB'. On the other hand the facts is the facts. I find it hard to 'explain away'. Believe me - I've tried (though coward-like I remain agnostic). Me too. The various theories that have been proposed to explain it away, it seems to me, raise as many questions as they answer. *Something* unusual is going on neurophysiologically. The only indication I have that it has anything to do with levitation, however, is that on a couple of occasions for a split-second at the apex of a hop, I've suddenly known that staying up in the air would be perfectly natural--in the same way I know I'm going to come right down again on all other occasions. Have you had the experience of going up, then down again but not quite to the ground before you went up again ? It's quite interesting, like having an invisible cushion beneath. But of course that goes away virtually instantaneously. You wouldn't be able to capture any in-air hesitation with any kind of measuring instrument or camera.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Hey, PaliGap, nice to see you here again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: (snip I remember when I first started to hop, after a couple days. I had found myself bouncing--involuntarily--without getting off the foam. After awhile, I let go of something somehow mentally, and then I immediately began to hop. Let 'er rip describes it, but I don't know whether that's the same as what you experienced. It's as if I had not been letting the sutra do its job, rather than that I had started voluntarily to push myself up off the foam. Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else. I don't think I am a 'TB'. On the other hand the facts is the facts. I find it hard to 'explain away'. Believe me - I've tried (though coward-like I remain agnostic). Me too. The various theories that have been proposed to explain it away, it seems to me, raise as many questions as they answer. *Something* unusual is going on neurophysiologically. The only indication I have that it has anything to do with levitation, however, is that on a couple of occasions for a split-second at the apex of a hop, I've suddenly known that staying up in the air would be perfectly natural--in the same way I know I'm going to come right down again on all other occasions. Have you had the experience of going up, then down again but not quite to the ground before you went up again ? It's quite interesting, like having an invisible cushion beneath. But of course that goes away virtually instantaneously. You wouldn't be able to capture any in-air hesitation with any kind of measuring instrument or camera. Yes, that briefest suspension aloft. My flashiest experience, I hopped into the air and didn't stop until I put my hand out to stop from crashing into a counter. That was twenty years ago, and it did its work. Broke a lot of boundaries, just to have that momentary suspension. Then, other stuff (from TMSP) came along too, integrating itself into normal life. Why argue for our limitations?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Hey, PaliGap, nice to see you here again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: (snip I remember when I first started to hop, after a couple days. I had found myself bouncing--involuntarily--without getting off the foam. After awhile, I let go of something somehow mentally, and then I immediately began to hop. Let 'er rip describes it, but I don't know whether that's the same as what you experienced. It's as if I had not been letting the sutra do its job, rather than that I had started voluntarily to push myself up off the foam. Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else. I don't think I am a 'TB'. On the other hand the facts is the facts. I find it hard to 'explain away'. Believe me - I've tried (though coward-like I remain agnostic). Me too. The various theories that have been proposed to explain it away, it seems to me, raise as many questions as they answer. *Something* unusual is going on neurophysiologically. The only indication I have that it has anything to do with levitation, however, is that on a couple of occasions for a split-second at the apex of a hop, I've suddenly known that staying up in the air would be perfectly natural--in the same way I know I'm going to come right down again on all other occasions. Just as it did on that occasion. But of course that goes away virtually instantaneously. You wouldn't be able to capture any in-air hesitation with any kind of measuring instrument or camera. The feeling might go away instantaneously but to an observer you never shifted from the parabolic curve you started when you lifted off. So it doesn't really matter how you feel when jumping in the air, all that matters from a is levitation possible viewpoint is whether you stay there or not. And of *course* a slo-mo camera would capture any mid air hesitation, if there was any. It's one of the big tells that MUM hasn't even attempted to prove that yogic flying is anything other than a strange form of mentally disconnected excercise. All the money and equipment they have and they never even *tried* to prove that people are lighter when saying the magic words or even that they pause at the top of a curve. How about checking the parabolic curve, easy to test - all you have to do is measure the amount of force at take-off and the distance and angle travelled. But I suspect we all know the answer to these questions. The laws of nature can't be over ridden by thinking the opposite, great if they could but I think even a tea-leaf reading maniac like John Hagelin knows we can't just opt out of the laws of physics. And before anyone says I don't know what I'm talking about I did yogic flying for 10 years, including a great many long WPAs. I never saw anyone break the laws of physics but like every believer I thought I could, and once had an experience that made me think I was was wafting up the room like a feather. That's what it was, an experience that *made me think* I was wafting up the room like a feather. Really nice (in my top ten good experiences actually) but easily explainable in simpler terms than me changing the direction of gravity. It's like driving a car somewhere and when you arrive you realise you can't remember the journey. The body is easily capable of doing familiar routines without conscious input so your mind can wander off and do other stuff. Couple that with an altered state of consciousness and the strong expectation of actual flight and we can believe anything that happens is more than what it is. Any casual observer will tell you the truth of it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else. Bingo, and that's why discussing it makes no sense. Regarding Henning; I had no idea it was in the news, and the fellows organizing all that in Vlodrop probably didn't read american newspapers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: One reason I brought up the old Way videos is because when I have seen them (they are available via non-public venues), I get the good energy feeling when I see Doctor (as some of the old timers called him). All my personal interactions with Wierwille (which were only a few) were very warm. But I now know much more about the lying side of this man...and about his ab-use of people all the while teaching love and grace and kindness. As I continued to watch the MMY video I thought, Hmmm. Had Wierwille not died in 1985, I wonder if The Way would have continued to grow like the TMO continued to grow. After Wierwille's death, off shoot groups began flourishing and The Way began dying. I stuck around the dying tree for another 20 years after Wierwille died. The Way still exists...but it shrank in a huge way. I believe without the group's leader there can hardly be an ongoing, thriving community of people, especially if that group is smaller and more intimate. I think these groups are about community as much as anything else and about belonging and interpersonal relationships between not only the members but between the members and the group 'leader', and there always is one. So much of the attraction to a 'group' is the attraction to the 'head' of it because they are perceived as the special one, the knower, the gifted, the wisest. And there are not too many of these collections of people who gather together because the 'head' man or woman is boring, dull or essentially 'unattractive' in some way. There is an incredible feeling of anticipation, excitement and specialness when one is a close participant in some movement like this. **l --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Even now when I look at old video of Maha I feel good energy within me, yet when I look now also, I see what a bs'er he was - when people ask him specific questions, he often gave what turned out to be a very circular answer that meanders until the person asking the question and the listeners have completely forgotten what the question was. And you are correct - he was definitely into self-aggrandizement. From: Carol To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily  Just starting to watch this Share and LG. My first response is...MMY strikes me as a narcissist. Funny that...because we I saw him on video during SCI (which I think I took at least 2 times?), I was enamored with him. I looked at him as a guru. Other thoughts as I watch it: ...Very 70s. ;D ...It reminds me of videos about The Way (the group I was with) from the 70s and the leader and founder of The Way (Dr. Wierwille). I don't think any of those videos are readily available on the web, but an article from LIFE magazine is. You can see it hear: The Groovy Christians of Rye, NY http://tinyurl.com/56xggs *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull.àCarol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments:àTM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. From: laughinggull108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel àhttp://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
Judy, thanks for the reminder. I've long forgotten the checking notes. During the 1975-6 MIU school year we took TTC Phase 1 during Forest Academy. We got the checking notes and also lecture training. Some later went on to Phase 111. I am not and never have been a memorizer of words but I'm grateful for the TM teachers who have that skill and willingness. It was the way Alan Waite said it in the film that raised my hackles. Anytime someone says repeating the mantra, making it sound like the hammering of a nail, I cringe. Perfect way to ruin a subtle process. Anyway, I remember with great nostalgia giggle giggle my first flight. It was on the last day of our flying block in September 1978. Suddenly I was propelled across the room, as if kicked by an angel. That's always how I describe it because that's always how I remember it feeling. Now to preserve my back I hop on stacked foam like sitting on the side of a bed. So not so much angel kicks any more. But much more restful alertness during the process. Effort would overshadow that. And I agree that it would take effort to not bounce. Thanks for that point too. And perhaps I'm just in a nostalgic mood this Monday morning, but I also remember fondly when turq told me to STFU and that made me giggle and bounce even more during YF. As Richard would say, go figure! From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull. Carol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments: TM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. Part of it is. The mantra and repetition have to begin the process Actually not, not if repetition means more than one iteration of the mantra. You could conceivably think it *once* and immediately transcend, even go through the whole mantra-transcend-thoughts cycle multiple times during a meditation without ever thinking the mantra twice in a row. Share, the words repeat and repetition *are* used in several places in the checking notes. In most cases, repetition of the mantra does occur, but it's correct to say TM is not *about* repetition. Subtle but crucial distinction. (Caveat: I am not a TM teacher. I took checker training, but I never got around to being certified. If I've gotten anything wrong, corrections from teachers are welcome.) and hopping around involves energy and effort whether you realize this or not. On my siddhis course my friend and I were the last to hop and the instructor sat with us until we did so. Having languished for days watching my friends in my pod plop around on foam and make strange noises my friend and I finally looked at each other and let 'er rip. We had to try or we weren't going to graduate from that summer course. Finally we gave in and joined the crowd. It was never that effortless to bounce and I certainly never flew. So at least on my siddhis course we had to do whatever it took to move off our butts and it involved trying or at least exerting an intention. Maybe it is all in the semantics. The sutras *are* intentions, according to Maharishi. FWIW, on my flying block there were several women who never hopped, and they graduated with the rest of us. They weren't bullied into faking it (as it sounds like you may have been). They weren't happy about not hopping, but the Sidhis administrator (Georgina Wilson) told them not to worry about it, they would still get the benefits of the practice. Trying to hop was most definitely a no-no. Certainly hopping involves muscular effort (although the extent to which one is aware of that varies); the question is how the signal to contract is sent to the muscles. For me, it's involuntary--it would take effort *not* to hop. It's like a yawn or a sneeze or the knee-jerk reflex. The signal to the muscles originates somewhere other than it would if I hopped without using the sutra. I remember when I first started to hop, after a couple days. I had found myself bouncing--involuntarily--without getting off the foam. After awhile, I let go of something somehow mentally, and then I immediately began to hop. Let 'er rip describes it, but I don't know whether that's the same as what you experienced. It's as if I had not been letting the sutra do its job, rather than that I had started voluntarily to push myself up off the foam. Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else. Bingo, and that's why discussing it makes no sense. Regarding Henning; I had no idea it was in the news, and the fellows organizing all that in Vlodrop probably didn't read american newspapers. Habby, Nabby. Of course they would have known about it, whether they read American newspapers or not. They'd have been following his illness like hawks, knowing that once he died, their game would be up. American newspapers would hardly have been their only source of information. Plus which, all the Beatles were (and still are) international figures. I'd be surprised if the Dutch papers hadn't reported on Harrison's decline as well. Get a checking, Nabs!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: (snip) It was the way Alan Waite said it in the film that raised my hackles. Anytime someone says repeating the mantra, making it sound like the hammering of a nail, I cringe. Perfect way to ruin a subtle process. I agree. It's such a subtle point, though, that you can't really expect nonpractitioners to pick up on it. Even new practitioners often don't get it. That's why checking is so important. I've heard TM teachers say--quoting Maharishi, I believe-- that TM isn't about holding onto the mantra, it's about *losing* the mantra. Of course it isn't about that either in the sense that one *tries* to lose the mantra, but it's a little closer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
Just starting to watch this Share and LG. My first response is...MMY strikes me as a narcissist. Funny that...because we I saw him on video during SCI (which I think I took at least 2 times?), I was enamored with him. I looked at him as a guru. Other thoughts as I watch it: ...Very 70s. ;D ...It reminds me of videos about The Way (the group I was with) from the 70s and the leader and founder of The Way (Dr. Wierwille). I don't think any of those videos are readily available on the web, but an article from LIFE magazine is. You can see it hear: The Groovy Christians of Rye, NY http://tinyurl.com/56xggs *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull. Carol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments: TM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. From: laughinggull108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel  http://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
Interesting Ann. Again, I think of The Way. Everyone in The Way speaks in tongues...everyone. A person is led into tongues during the Foundational Class. (There are more classes of course after the Foundational Class.) The leader of the class will sit with the new student until the new student speaks in tongues. That aspect is quite similar to someone making sure you did your flying bounce or bouncing flight on the TMO siddha. Another tidbit I just thought of When I got involved with The Way and got convinced that The Way taught *the truth* as it hadn't been known since the first century, and as I became indoctrinated to believe that The Way's teachings regarding other religions or philosophies or movements that proclaimed they had the truth were all counterfeits, I believed (at that time) that SCI and TM were counterfeits. The Way's foundational class at that time cost $100 for 36 to 45 hours of teaching on a video. Dr. Wierwille, the man of God for the world, taught that class at that time. I took that class a couple years after taking SCI which it seems at the time (1976) cost me (as a student) around $100. I thought I was spiritually enlightened that I could spiritually see how SCI was a counterfeit of The Way's Power for Abundant Living. Now I think neither has or had *the truth.* They both have bits of truth I reckon, or people would most likely not be attracted to either. I think both men who headed up these movements were probably narcissists. No offense intended for MMY followers...it's just my opinion. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull. Carol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments: TM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. Part of it is. The mantra and repetition have to begin the process and hopping around involves energy and effort whether you realize this or not. On my siddhis course my friend and I were the last to hop and the instructor sat with us until we did so. Having languished for days watching my friends in my pod plop around on foam and make strange noises my friend and I finally looked at each other and let 'er rip. We had to try or we weren't going to graduate from that summer course. Finally we gave in and joined the crowd. It was never that effortless to bounce and I certainly never flew. So at least on my siddhis course we had to do whatever it took to move off our butts and it involved trying or at least exerting an intention. Maybe it is all in the semantics. From: laughinggull108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel  http://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
typo: because when I saw him...not we I saw him --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Just starting to watch this Share and LG. My first response is...MMY strikes me as a narcissist. Funny that...because we I saw him on video during SCI (which I think I took at least 2 times?), I was enamored with him. I looked at him as a guru. Other thoughts as I watch it: ...Very 70s. ;D ...It reminds me of videos about The Way (the group I was with) from the 70s and the leader and founder of The Way (Dr. Wierwille). I don't think any of those videos are readily available on the web, but an article from LIFE magazine is. You can see it hear: The Groovy Christians of Rye, NY http://tinyurl.com/56xggs *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull. Carol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments: TM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. From: laughinggull108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel  http://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
Even now when I look at old video of Maha I feel good energy within me, yet when I look now also, I see what a bs'er he was - when people ask him specific questions, he often gave what turned out to be a very circular answer that meanders until the person asking the question and the listeners have completely forgotten what the question was. And you are correct - he was definitely into self-aggrandizement. From: Carol jchwe...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily Just starting to watch this Share and LG. My first response is...MMY strikes me as a narcissist. Funny that...because we I saw him on video during SCI (which I think I took at least 2 times?), I was enamored with him. I looked at him as a guru. Other thoughts as I watch it: ...Very 70s. ;D ...It reminds me of videos about The Way (the group I was with) from the 70s and the leader and founder of The Way (Dr. Wierwille). I don't think any of those videos are readily available on the web, but an article from LIFE magazine is. You can see it hear: The Groovy Christians of Rye, NY http://tinyurl.com/56xggs *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull. Carol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments: TM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. From: laughinggull108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel  http://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
Don't worry about giving offense - everybody offends everybody else here at one time or another. From: Carol jchwe...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily Interesting Ann. Again, I think of The Way. Everyone in The Way speaks in tongues...everyone. A person is led into tongues during the Foundational Class. (There are more classes of course after the Foundational Class.) The leader of the class will sit with the new student until the new student speaks in tongues. That aspect is quite similar to someone making sure you did your flying bounce or bouncing flight on the TMO siddha. Another tidbit I just thought of When I got involved with The Way and got convinced that The Way taught *the truth* as it hadn't been known since the first century, and as I became indoctrinated to believe that The Way's teachings regarding other religions or philosophies or movements that proclaimed they had the truth were all counterfeits, I believed (at that time) that SCI and TM were counterfeits. The Way's foundational class at that time cost $100 for 36 to 45 hours of teaching on a video. Dr. Wierwille, the man of God for the world, taught that class at that time. I took that class a couple years after taking SCI which it seems at the time (1976) cost me (as a student) around $100. I thought I was spiritually enlightened that I could spiritually see how SCI was a counterfeit of The Way's Power for Abundant Living. Now I think neither has or had *the truth.* They both have bits of truth I reckon, or people would most likely not be attracted to either. I think both men who headed up these movements were probably narcissists. No offense intended for MMY followers...it's just my opinion. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull. Carol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments: TM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. Part of it is. The mantra and repetition have to begin the process and hopping around involves energy and effort whether you realize this or not. On my siddhis course my friend and I were the last to hop and the instructor sat with us until we did so. Having languished for days watching my friends in my pod plop around on foam and make strange noises my friend and I finally looked at each other and let 'er rip. We had to try or we weren't going to graduate from that summer course. Finally we gave in and joined the crowd. It was never that effortless to bounce and I certainly never flew. So at least on my siddhis course we had to do whatever it took to move off our butts and it involved trying or at least exerting an intention. Maybe it is all in the semantics. From: laughinggull108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel  http://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
One reason I brought up the old Way videos is because when I have seen them (they are available via non-public venues), I get the good energy feeling when I see Doctor (as some of the old timers called him). All my personal interactions with Wierwille (which were only a few) were very warm. But I now know much more about the lying side of this man...and about his ab-use of people all the while teaching love and grace and kindness. As I continued to watch the MMY video I thought, Hmmm. Had Wierwille not died in 1985, I wonder if The Way would have continued to grow like the TMO continued to grow. After Wierwille's death, off shoot groups began flourishing and The Way began dying. I stuck around the dying tree for another 20 years after Wierwille died. The Way still exists...but it shrank in a huge way. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Even now when I look at old video of Maha I feel good energy within me, yet when I look now also, I see what a bs'er he was - when people ask him specific questions, he often gave what turned out to be a very circular answer that meanders until the person asking the question and the listeners have completely forgotten what the question was. And you are correct - he was definitely into self-aggrandizement. From: Carol To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily  Just starting to watch this Share and LG. My first response is...MMY strikes me as a narcissist. Funny that...because we I saw him on video during SCI (which I think I took at least 2 times?), I was enamored with him. I looked at him as a guru. Other thoughts as I watch it: ...Very 70s. ;D ...It reminds me of videos about The Way (the group I was with) from the 70s and the leader and founder of The Way (Dr. Wierwille). I don't think any of those videos are readily available on the web, but an article from LIFE magazine is. You can see it hear: The Groovy Christians of Rye, NY http://tinyurl.com/56xggs *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull.àCarol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments:àTM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. From: laughinggull108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel àhttp://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull. Carol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments: TM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. Part of it is. The mantra and repetition have to begin the process Actually not, not if repetition means more than one iteration of the mantra. You could conceivably think it *once* and immediately transcend, even go through the whole mantra-transcend-thoughts cycle multiple times during a meditation without ever thinking the mantra twice in a row. Share, the words repeat and repetition *are* used in several places in the checking notes. In most cases, repetition of the mantra does occur, but it's correct to say TM is not *about* repetition. Subtle but crucial distinction. (Caveat: I am not a TM teacher. I took checker training, but I never got around to being certified. If I've gotten anything wrong, corrections from teachers are welcome.) and hopping around involves energy and effort whether you realize this or not. On my siddhis course my friend and I were the last to hop and the instructor sat with us until we did so. Having languished for days watching my friends in my pod plop around on foam and make strange noises my friend and I finally looked at each other and let 'er rip. We had to try or we weren't going to graduate from that summer course. Finally we gave in and joined the crowd. It was never that effortless to bounce and I certainly never flew. So at least on my siddhis course we had to do whatever it took to move off our butts and it involved trying or at least exerting an intention. Maybe it is all in the semantics. The sutras *are* intentions, according to Maharishi. FWIW, on my flying block there were several women who never hopped, and they graduated with the rest of us. They weren't bullied into faking it (as it sounds like you may have been). They weren't happy about not hopping, but the Sidhis administrator (Georgina Wilson) told them not to worry about it, they would still get the benefits of the practice. Trying to hop was most definitely a no-no. Certainly hopping involves muscular effort (although the extent to which one is aware of that varies); the question is how the signal to contract is sent to the muscles. For me, it's involuntary--it would take effort *not* to hop. It's like a yawn or a sneeze or the knee-jerk reflex. The signal to the muscles originates somewhere other than it would if I hopped without using the sutra. I remember when I first started to hop, after a couple days. I had found myself bouncing--involuntarily--without getting off the foam. After awhile, I let go of something somehow mentally, and then I immediately began to hop. Let 'er rip describes it, but I don't know whether that's the same as what you experienced. It's as if I had not been letting the sutra do its job, rather than that I had started voluntarily to push myself up off the foam. Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else.
