[FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, there is a deep reason why poets consistently commit this atrocious fallacy with reckless abandon. Because they're hacks who can't think of new metaphors? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking through a Boston Herald newspaper today omeone left in the kitchen at work and, lo and behold, there was an obit of MMY with an old photo in the obits section. Next to it was one for actor Barry Morse, who played Lt. Gerard in the cult TV 60s series The Fugutive. I was a big fan of the show. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7230279.stm It must mean that Maharishi was blessing The Fugitive and commenting on its cosmic wisdom and suggesting to you that watching and re-watching that TV series is the path to enlightenment. Don't laugh...I have actually heard people say such things. One guy recently has created a whole spiritual path for himself based on watching Bruce Lee movies, all because he happened to be watching a Bruce Lee movie when his own spiritual teacher died, and he considers that more than a coincidence. The fellow hasn't got any *followers* for his Bruce Lee movie-watching spiritual trip, but he'll be happy to tell you all about it if you have an hour or two and no discrimination... :-) --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: The last time Maharishi was in FF, the 7,000 course, there was a terrible snow storm. Just wondering if FF got hit as hard as Madison, WI is presently being hit -- if so, then it's the same kind of astral event to my way of thinkingin each case Maharishi was on everyone's mind. Uh...Edg...just to throw another possibility into the mix, have you ever heard of the word coincidence? Like shit, weather just seems to happen. And as far as Maharishi being on everyone's mind, just to give you a little perspective on things, last night *as* he died, my tiny little beach town was full of about 150,000 extra tourists, there for the big night of Carnavale -- Mardi Gras (Fat Tuesday). I would be willing to bet that the ONLY person in Sitges who had Maharishi on his mind was me. I would bet that the same thing is true here today, now that some of them have actually heard of his death. And I would further bet that in Madison, Wisconsin the same is true of all but about 40-50 people in the whole town. No one else cares. So if you've got to come up with a reason for your snowstorm, PLEASE don't choose, Maharishi was on everyone's mind. It's just so, Everything revolves around me and how *I* feel. That said, do you *live* in Madison? If so, I've never gotten that before. I actually spent over a year work- ing in that town, commuting there four days a week, three weeks a month. Madison has its charms. Good on you for picking it, if you did... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
Duveyoung wrote: 10 inches on the ground, can't see even a block down the street, wind howling, and no end in sight here. To me, it's a perfectly wondrous funereal shroud of white, and with one's master gone nothing else can be seen, and Vata's singing a final song. Edg Do not stand at my grave and weep. I am not there, I do not sleep. I am a thousand winds that blow, I am the diamond glints on snow. I am the sunlight on ripened grain, I am the gentle autumn's rain. When you awaken in the morning's hush, I am the swift uplifting rush of quiet birds in circled flight. I am the stars that shine at night. Do not stand at my grave and cry, I am not there, I did not die... http://www.sedona.com/html/grief-poems.aspx
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
On Feb 7, 2008, at 12:05 AM, Angela Mailander wrote: my black grandmother-in-law would have said to this, Don't you be teaching your grandmother how to milk ducks, Honey. And, by the way, I wasn't going to dignify your remarks to me about Michelle Obama with an answer because of their rude and uncivilized manner, but as I'm talking to you anyway, I'd just like to hint again that Wikipedia isn't always reliable. Or Hillary fans commenting on the Obama's... :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
You're right. I had you confused with Sal who was the one insufferably rude
this time. But even your comment, No, his wife is *not* a member of the
Council on Foreign Relations is not how colleagues talk to one another where I
come from. A colleague would have said something like, Really? That is not
what my information is. Do you have information I don't have? Either one of
us could be wrong. There could also be cases in which a true/false dichotomy
is not exactly a productive way of looking at things. And there is also a
statement like It wasn't evident Where I come from, a colleague would
say, It wasn't evident to me But we'll talk another time. I'm still busy
with grant writing and with getting my China team and now a Japanese
kindergarten up to speed.
- Original Message
From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2008 9:36:57 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ ... wrote:
my black grandmother- in-law would have said to this, Don't
you be teaching your grandmother how to milk ducks, Honey.
It was suck eggs in my family.
I'm glad to know you realize that pathetic
fallacy isn't pejorative. That wasn't evident,
to say the least, from what you wrote that I
was responding to. You appeared to be defending
(via sarcasm) the poets who use the pathetic
fallacy as if you believed the term was being
used to attack them.
And, by the way, I wasn't going to dignify your remarks
to me about Michelle Obama with an answer because of
their rude and uncivilized manner,
You mean, rude and uncivilized because I
said, No, his wife is *not* a member of the
Council on Foreign Relations?
Or was it because I asked, Where did you
pick up that bit of misinformation?
After some experience of your reluctance
to cite your sources, I can understand why
that request would seem offensive to you.
but as I'm talking to you anyway, I'd just like to hint
again that Wikipedia isn't always reliable.
Oh, very true, Angela. But it wasn't I who
cited Wikipedia on this issue. I'm afraid
you must have me confused with someone else.
Any time you feel like citing your source
for the Michelle Obama misinformation, I'll
be happy to set you straight and point you
to an authoritative source.
From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ ... wrote:
Well, there is a deep reason why poets consistently commit
this atrocious fallacy with reckless abandon.
In literature, the term is used in a neutral
sense, Angela. It isn't pejorative; stand down.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
My background is radically different from that of most people. So what seems
off the wall to you may be perfectly normal in China or Greece. Your reactions
to me are knee-jerk reactions.
- Original Message
From: Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2008 11:06:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
On Feb 7, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Angela Mailander wrote:
You're right. I had you confused with Sal who was the one insufferably rude
this time.
Takes one to know one. Angela, generally your comments are so off-the-wall I
don't bother responding, but just for the sake of argument, I'll post the only
2 comments you could be referring to along these lines:
I'd be willing to bet the farm (almost) that there won't be any proof, or even
an attempt. (to provide evidence)
And:
My reaction too. Would somebody tell me where Angela sees all these falling
buildings? Did she have a front-row seat during the blitz? Are they some
tourist attraction or something? (This in response to your claim that you had
seen a lot of buildings fall down.)
Sal
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
You're right again, we're not colleagues. A comment like Stand down does
indicate that my most appropriate response would have been, Jawohl, mein
Fuehrer.
As for your assumptions about my inability to do the same research on the
Internet that you have done, you are mistaken. I have the same information you
have, but could it be that because of a thirty year marriage to a black man I
have access to information about members of the black community that you don't
have?
- Original Message
From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2008 11:27:53 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ ... wrote:
You're right. I had you confused with Sal who was the one
insufferably rude this time. But even your comment, No, his wife is
*not* a member of the Council on Foreign Relations is not how
colleagues talk to one another where I come from. A colleague would
have said something like, Really? That is not what my information
is. Do you have information I don't have?
I'm not sure why you would think of me as your
colleague, actually.
As it happens, though, I have the same
MISinformation you do, so I don't need to pretend
not to know about it. I know where it comes from
and what it's based on.
You, in contrast, don't have the *correct*
information that I do (although a little
research on the Web would have turned it up).
Either one of us could be wrong.
Right. But in this case, it happens to be you.
There could also be cases in which a true/false dichotomy is not
exactly a productive way of looking at things.
Right. But this isn't one of them. (And yes,
I know what you're referring to.)
And there is also a statement like It wasn't evident Where I
come from, a colleague would say, It wasn't evident to me
Be interesting to hear you explain what your
sarcasm was directed to, if not to the notion
that the phrase pathetic fallacy was being
used pejoratively. But somehow I suspect my
curiosity won't be satisfied.
(I note with amusement that Barry misunderstood
your comment in the opposite direction, missing
the sarcasm completely.)
But we'll talk another time. I'm still busy with grant writing
and with getting my China team and now a Japanese kindergarten up
to speed.
Uh-huh. Not too busy to attempt a (sourceless)
self-defense, though, eh?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My background is radically different from that of most people. So what seems off the wall to you may be perfectly normal in China or Greece. My guess is the good folks in China and Greece have better sense than to be anywhere near as insufferable as you are. And rude and uncivil as that reaction may be, it isn't knee-jerk. It's quite well considered, in fact.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right. I had you confused with Sal who was the one insufferably rude this time. But even your comment, No, his wife is *not* a member of the Council on Foreign Relations is not how colleagues talk to one another where I come from. A colleague would have said something like, Really? That is not what my information is. Do you have information I don't have? I'm not sure why you would think of me as your colleague, actually. As it happens, though, I have the same MISinformation you do, so I don't need to pretend not to know about it. I know where it comes from and what it's based on. You, in contrast, don't have the *correct* information that I do (although a little research on the Web would have turned it up). Either one of us could be wrong. Right. But in this case, it happens to be you. There could also be cases in which a true/false dichotomy is not exactly a productive way of looking at things. Right. But this isn't one of them. (And yes, I know what you're referring to.) And there is also a statement like It wasn't evident Where I come from, a colleague would say, It wasn't evident to me Be interesting to hear you explain what your sarcasm was directed to, if not to the notion that the phrase pathetic fallacy was being used pejoratively. But somehow I suspect my curiosity won't be satisfied. (I note with amusement that Barry misunderstood your comment in the opposite direction, missing the sarcasm completely.) But we'll talk another time. I'm still busy with grant writing and with getting my China team and now a Japanese kindergarten up to speed. Uh-huh. Not too busy to attempt a (sourceless) self-defense, though, eh?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
On Feb 7, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Angela Mailander wrote: You're right. I had you confused with Sal who was the one insufferably rude this time. Takes one to know one. Angela, generally your comments are so off- the-wall I don't bother responding, but just for the sake of argument, I'll post the only 2 comments you could be referring to along these lines: I'd be willing to bet the farm (almost) that there won't be any proof, or even an attempt. (to provide evidence) And: My reaction too. Would somebody tell me where Angela sees all these falling buildings? Did she have a front-row seat during the blitz? Are they some tourist attraction or something? (This in response to your claim that you had seen a lot of buildings fall down.) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my black grandmother-in-law would have said to this, Don't you be teaching your grandmother how to milk ducks, Honey. It was suck eggs in my family. I'm glad to know you realize that pathetic fallacy isn't pejorative. That wasn't evident, to say the least, from what you wrote that I was responding to. You appeared to be defending (via sarcasm) the poets who use the pathetic fallacy as if you believed the term was being used to attack them. And, by the way, I wasn't going to dignify your remarks to me about Michelle Obama with an answer because of their rude and uncivilized manner, You mean, rude and uncivilized because I said, No, his wife is *not* a member of the Council on Foreign Relations? Or was it because I asked, Where did you pick up that bit of misinformation? After some experience of your reluctance to cite your sources, I can understand why that request would seem offensive to you. but as I'm talking to you anyway, I'd just like to hint again that Wikipedia isn't always reliable. Oh, very true, Angela. But it wasn't I who cited Wikipedia on this issue. I'm afraid you must have me confused with someone else. Any time you feel like citing your source for the Michelle Obama misinformation, I'll be happy to set you straight and point you to an authoritative source. From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ ... wrote: Well, there is a deep reason why poets consistently commit this atrocious fallacy with reckless abandon. In literature, the term is used in a neutral sense, Angela. It isn't pejorative; stand down.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
Yeah, Turq, that's a real deep reason. :-)
- Original Message
From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2008 2:44:25 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ ... wrote:
Well, there is a deep reason why poets consistently commit
this atrocious fallacy with reckless abandon.
Because they're hacks who can't think of new metaphors?
:-)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right again, we're not colleagues. A comment like Stand down does indicate that my most appropriate response would have been, Jawohl, mein Fuehrer. As for your assumptions about my inability to do the same research on the Internet that you have done, you are mistaken. I have the same information you have, No, I'm afraid you don't. but could it be that because of a thirty year marriage to a black man I have access to information about members of the black community that you don't have? You mean, information like how black people in the U.S. are no longer going to be able to vote if the Voting Rights Act is allowed to expire?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The last time Maharishi was in FF, the 7,000 course, there was a terrible snow storm. Just wondering if FF got hit as hard as Madison, WI is presently being hit -- if so, then it's the same kind of astral event to my way of thinkingin each case Maharishi was on everyone's mind. Uh...Edg...just to throw another possibility into the mix, have you ever heard of the word coincidence? Like shit, weather just seems to happen. And as far as Maharishi being on everyone's mind, just to give you a little perspective on things, last night *as* he died, my tiny little beach town was full of about 150,000 extra tourists, there for the big night of Carnavale -- Mardi Gras (Fat Tuesday). I would be willing to bet that the ONLY person in Sitges who had Maharishi on his mind was me. I would bet that the same thing is true here today, now that some of them have actually heard of his death. And I would further bet that in Madison, Wisconsin the same is true of all but about 40-50 people in the whole town. No one else cares. So if you've got to come up with a reason for your snowstorm, PLEASE don't choose, Maharishi was on everyone's mind. It's just so, Everything revolves around me and how *I* feel. That said, do you *live* in Madison? If so, I've never gotten that before. I actually spent over a year work- ing in that town, commuting there four days a week, three weeks a month. Madison has its charms. Good on you for picking it, if you did...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
After my post below, my office windows finally were ENTIRELY snowed/frosted over, and I said to myself, Wow, there really is nothing else in sight when the master dies. Then, at that very moment, a small chunk of snow fell off my window pane and I could see the storm outside raging with purity. Yeah, it's all about me. So sue me, but that was a symbol; it was Maharishi waving goodbye to me with a last, Keep looking for akanda mandala karum! message. Maharishi said, they say, When I go, I'll take 5,000 with me. Having been one of the first 5,000 initiators, I always took that personally. Ahem. But, hey, even thinking about the Pole Star is one way to travel with Maharishi right now, and who hasn't thought of the Pole Star today? In fact, I just now, by the speed of consciousness, posted a instant telepathic message there on the third planet circling the North Star and informed them that Maharishi's theme song was on the way to them. I'm expecting that whoever is subtle enough, there, got the message. Yeah, space travel! Go figure. That old man might have a thing or two more to teach us. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The last time Maharishi was in FF, the 7,000 course, there was a terrible snow storm. Just wondering if FF got hit as hard as Madison, WI is presently being hit -- if so, then it's the same kind of astral event to my way of thinkingin each case Maharishi was on everyone's mind. Next time anyone fears global warming, all we have to do is think really hard about Maharishi! Shemp, I so apologize to you. This cold thingie seems to be deeply understood by humans at some subtle level. In spooky movies we often get that when an evil presence is afoot, the humans suddenly have their breaths showing cuz of the coldness in the room -- The Exorcist, Stir of Echoes, etc. And then there's Milton stuffing Satan in the lowest level of hell encased in ice. http://imdb.com/title/tt0164181/ And what is the least level of excitation if not absolute zero? 10 inches on the ground, can't see even a block down the street, wind howling, and no end in sight here. To me, it's a perfectly wondrous funereal shroud of white, and with one's master gone nothing else can be seen, and Vata's singing a final song. Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
I'm with you Edg in all your points. Coincidence is more than meets the eye (or the I). In my own life, I've already mentioned the fact that the two teachers I trained in China are committed to working with me until we establish Dao of English as a tradition. Yup, and, thanks to Marshy, I know all the pitfalls of doing an absurd thing like that (Jai Guru Dev). The two Chinese Bamboo Princesses, knowing nothing of MMY, made that commitment to me the day Marshy died--and it's a Chinese deep *guan-xi* commitment, not an American promise or, worse, a legal document, so it's a certainty. Then, today, a man I'd lost track of called me out of the blue to tell me that he will be teaching Dao of English in Japan--and this is a guy that has a profound understanding of this Tai-Qi-like practice--so, I'm in seventh heaven right now, right with MMY, God bless his bloody arse. My grandpa seems to have been an unusual man--I'm only beginning to fathom him. For one thing, I saw him die sitting up in bed, cheerful, and making spiritual jokes to the last second. I didn't make this up for this occasion either. Judy can check with all my friends and every member of my family if she feels like proving (again) that I'm an intellectual sloth and a pathological liar--my sister will agree with her completely, by the way. But Gramps's thing prolly ain't legal. He didn't sit in lotus, for one thing and nobody thought to put rose petals on his head. Moreover, he sent one of us out to get him a beer-- that was *after* he told us he would die within the hour and then he did just that. In fact, he predicted he wouldn't have time to finish the beer. Now, when this man decided to teach me the lesson about coincidence, he manifested (apparently--cause somebody sure did) two of them, two coincidences to blow your mind, which is their ultimate purpose. The first one came in the form of a care-package--a random care-package from Canada. And whoever had sent it, had wrapped the food that saved our lives with newspaper--probably without knowing how precious newspaper was to us, a rare commodity indeed--imagine life without john paper or newspaper or paper of any kind. But, before we put it this wonderful God-sent in the john to wipe our asses, we read every blessed word. And so, just before Christmas in 1945, one of those wrappers in one of those care-packages had a poem on it, and this poem was signed by a member of my grandpa's family that they had lost track of in the slaughter and the fleeing-therefrom-bleeding-and-starving starving that was WWI. And sure enough, when we wrote to the paper in that town, they sent us our Lena and Sasha's address. If nature-support has any validity, it is in the ability of Nature to create coincidences with every thing she creates. There is nothing else, in fact, because a deep coherence and a deep intelligence inhabits all. We just don't all see it to the same degree of depth at any particular moment. But we as one mind see it clearly always. The second coincidence came hard on its heels. Gramps was recovering from hunger-typhus after Mom had got him out of East Berlin in a true cloak and dagger operation, but he was well enough to sit up in bed to make me memorize the Christmas story from the second chapter of Luke so I could recite it to everyone under the Christmas tree. And while he and I were working on it, a knock came at the door just as I was saying the bit about no room at the inn. And the guy knocking at our door at that moment, you guessed it, was named Joseph and he said he needed a place for his wife and newborn baby for the night, that he'd already been all up and down every street of the village and there was no room at the inn. I don't care what any of you trolls and watch-fiends on this list say, this really happened in my charmed life. Consider also the genetic history of wheat in this context, the staff of life. Creating the evolution of wheat from a simple grass was a twelve-step program. And each step required a genetic mutation that had a gazillion chances against it happening, yet it happened and this gazillion-chances-to-one scenario somehow arranged itself twelve different times. This is, in fact, an excellent model of the sequential unfolding in all creation. It is a history of coincidence that creates an English sentence as well, from formless silence to expressed form because there is an abstract, inner mathematical structure, laws of form, that guide the process. It is as Blake said, Spiritual causes alone are real. When Gramps died (I was eighteen), I realized that I am Gramps. I realized it again when Bill Witherspoon ran over and killed my Ru Dog, the best doggie anyone ever had. - Original Message From: Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 3:05:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
There's a literary name for this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathetic_fallacy The pathetic fallacy or anthropomorphic fallacy is the description of inanimate natural objects in a manner that endows them with human feelings, thoughts and sensations. It is when the author expresses the character's feelings through his/her surroundings. The pathetic fallacy is a special case of the fallacy of reification. The word pathetic in this use is related to empathy (capability of feeling), and is not pejorative. The pathetic fallacy is also related to the concept of personification. Personification is direct and explicit in the ascription of life and sentience to the thing in question, whereas the pathetic fallacy is much broader and more allusive. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The last time Maharishi was in FF, the 7,000 course, there was a terrible snow storm. Just wondering if FF got hit as hard as Madison, WI is presently being hit -- if so, then it's the same kind of astral event to my way of thinkingin each case Maharishi was on everyone's mind. Next time anyone fears global warming, all we have to do is think really hard about Maharishi! Shemp, I so apologize to you. This cold thingie seems to be deeply understood by humans at some subtle level. In spooky movies we often get that when an evil presence is afoot, the humans suddenly have their breaths showing cuz of the coldness in the room -- The Exorcist, Stir of Echoes, etc. And then there's Milton stuffing Satan in the lowest level of hell encased in ice. http://imdb.com/title/tt0164181/ And what is the least level of excitation if not absolute zero? 10 inches on the ground, can't see even a block down the street, wind howling, and no end in sight here. To me, it's a perfectly wondrous funereal shroud of white, and with one's master gone nothing else can be seen, and Vata's singing a final song. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
Really fascinating, nice one. It has interesting implications for songwriting. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a literary name for this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathetic_fallacy The pathetic fallacy or anthropomorphic fallacy is the description of inanimate natural objects in a manner that endows them with human feelings, thoughts and sensations. It is when the author expresses the character's feelings through his/her surroundings. The pathetic fallacy is a special case of the fallacy of reification. The word pathetic in this use is related to empathy (capability of feeling), and is not pejorative. The pathetic fallacy is also related to the concept of personification. Personification is direct and explicit in the ascription of life and sentience to the thing in question, whereas the pathetic fallacy is much broader and more allusive. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: The last time Maharishi was in FF, the 7,000 course, there was a terrible snow storm. Just wondering if FF got hit as hard as Madison, WI is presently being hit -- if so, then it's the same kind of astral event to my way of thinkingin each case Maharishi was on everyone's mind. Next time anyone fears global warming, all we have to do is think really hard about Maharishi! Shemp, I so apologize to you. This cold thingie seems to be deeply understood by humans at some subtle level. In spooky movies we often get that when an evil presence is afoot, the humans suddenly have their breaths showing cuz of the coldness in the room -- The Exorcist, Stir of Echoes, etc. And then there's Milton stuffing Satan in the lowest level of hell encased in ice. http://imdb.com/title/tt0164181/ And what is the least level of excitation if not absolute zero? 10 inches on the ground, can't see even a block down the street, wind howling, and no end in sight here. To me, it's a perfectly wondrous funereal shroud of white, and with one's master gone nothing else can be seen, and Vata's singing a final song. Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
Well, there is a deep reason why poets consistently commit this atrocious
fallacy with reckless abandon.
- Original Message
From: hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 9:04:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
There's a literary name for this:
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Pathetic_ fallacy
The pathetic fallacy or anthropomorphic fallacy is the description of
inanimate natural objects in a manner that endows them with human
feelings, thoughts and sensations. It is when the author expresses the
character's feelings through his/her surroundings. The pathetic
fallacy is a special case of the fallacy of reification. The word
pathetic in this use is related to empathy (capability of feeling),
and is not pejorative.
The pathetic fallacy is also related to the concept of
personification. Personification is direct and explicit in the
ascription of life and sentience to the thing in question, whereas the
pathetic fallacy is much broader and more allusive.
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote:
The last time Maharishi was in FF, the 7,000 course, there was a
terrible snow storm.
Just wondering if FF got hit as hard as Madison, WI is presently being
hit -- if so, then it's the same kind of astral event to my way of
thinking in each case Maharishi was on everyone's mind.
Next time anyone fears global warming, all we have to do is think really
hard about Maharishi! Shemp, I so apologize to you.
This cold thingie seems to be deeply understood by humans at some
subtle level. In spooky movies we often get that when an evil presence
is afoot, the humans suddenly have their breaths showing cuz of the
coldness in the room -- The Exorcist, Stir of Echoes, etc. And then
there's Milton stuffing Satan in the lowest level of hell encased in
ice.
http://imdb. com/title/ tt0164181/ And what is the least level of
excitation if not absolute zero?
10 inches on the ground, can't see even a block down the street, wind
howling, and no end in sight here.
To me, it's a perfectly wondrous funereal shroud of white, and with
one's master gone nothing else can be seen, and Vata's singing a final
song.
Edg
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, there is a deep reason why poets consistently commit this atrocious fallacy with reckless abandon. In literature, the term is used in a neutral sense, Angela. It isn't pejorative; stand down.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
my black grandmother-in-law would have said to this, Don't you be teaching
your grandmother how to milk ducks, Honey. And, by the way, I wasn't going to
dignify your remarks to me about Michelle Obama with an answer because of their
rude and uncivilized manner, but as I'm talking to you anyway, I'd just like to
hint again that Wikipedia isn't always reliable.
- Original Message
From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 9:42:19 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ ... wrote:
Well, there is a deep reason why poets consistently commit this
atrocious fallacy with reckless abandon.
In literature, the term is used in a neutral
sense, Angela. It isn't pejorative; stand down.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really fascinating, nice one. It has interesting implications for songwriting. Songs are nice... What song do you hear? Does your mind feel clearer, does your nose smell purer air. A kind of Unity Consciousness, sometimes occurs... And the Outside becomes a reflection of the Inside. There's snow in Iowa, it's quiet, and songs will still be written. But right now, it's just quiet and serene, and a bit sad.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Snow Storm is symbolic? I think so.
I was looking through a Boston Herald newspaper today omeone left in the kitchen at work and, lo and behold, there was an obit of MMY with an old photo in the obits section. Next to it was one for actor Barry Morse, who played Lt. Gerard in the cult TV 60s series The Fugutive. I was a big fan of the show. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7230279.stm --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The last time Maharishi was in FF, the 7,000 course, there was a terrible snow storm. Just wondering if FF got hit as hard as Madison, WI is presently being hit -- if so, then it's the same kind of astral event to my way of thinkingin each case Maharishi was on everyone's mind. Uh...Edg...just to throw another possibility into the mix, have you ever heard of the word coincidence? Like shit, weather just seems to happen. And as far as Maharishi being on everyone's mind, just to give you a little perspective on things, last night *as* he died, my tiny little beach town was full of about 150,000 extra tourists, there for the big night of Carnavale -- Mardi Gras (Fat Tuesday). I would be willing to bet that the ONLY person in Sitges who had Maharishi on his mind was me. I would bet that the same thing is true here today, now that some of them have actually heard of his death. And I would further bet that in Madison, Wisconsin the same is true of all but about 40-50 people in the whole town. No one else cares. So if you've got to come up with a reason for your snowstorm, PLEASE don't choose, Maharishi was on everyone's mind. It's just so, Everything revolves around me and how *I* feel. That said, do you *live* in Madison? If so, I've never gotten that before. I actually spent over a year work- ing in that town, commuting there four days a week, three weeks a month. Madison has its charms. Good on you for picking it, if you did... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
