Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes it reads like continued harassmentand ranting at this point. It is getting time for folks to relinquishhere this antagonized feeling about the groups-guidelines and to moveforward in greater alignment with them or move on. -JaiGuruYou! But he is in alignment with them as you did used to post endless rants about how the place was going downhill, ironically in part because of your refusal to join in and post interesting and relevant stuff (like a lot of other people round here). You can't threaten people for complaining about you if they are justified in doing so. Thanks for getting my point. Since becoming moderator, Doug has been unable to find a single offence on the forum that he thought he could get away with moderating (a euphemism for deleting). Yet he seemingly has no intention of ceasing his endless rants about how this place needs moderation. Go figure. I'm merely suggesting that a case can be made that the only person still posting negativity to FFL on a regular basis and trying to bring people down by getting them to focus on it IS the moderator. And considering how much crap Tedious Dickwad posts on the average day that doesn't get as much as a mere mention from you one could almost say you are starting on a depressingly partisan note. I think we should all keep an eye on any potential hypocrisy from you. I suspect that such efforts would be justified. When the so-called moderator responds favorably to two people with a *long* history of stalking and harassing the posters they don't like on Fairfield Life, and in response threatens to delete posts by someone who is simply pointing out the moderator's *own* partisan bias, then something may just be rotten in the state of Denmark. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : This sounds seriously personal so we could probably all agree that it could be deleted from the archive without anyone missing it. LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doug, in all seriousness, if what you say below is true, this should be the last time we hear from you on the subject of moderation, right? I mean, if no one is hurling personalized invective, there will be no one's posts to delete, and more important THERE WILL BE NOTHING FOR *YOU* TO COMMENT ON. No more 1,600+ word rants spammed to Fairfield Life every other day for months. No more posts from you that *intentionally* attempt to preach the need for moderation or that attempt to blame it on a small group of people with whom you just *happen* to disagree on most philosophical points. It looks as if your job is done. Good. And goodbye. Not to mention good riddance. We fervently hope that your quest as moderator from here on out is both successful, and SILENT, and that we never hear from you on the subject of moderation again. Ever. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry This evidently is progressing. As I read throughthis thread I feel you all moderating yourselves in accord with theadvice of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. I find no need now to step inhere between you all. Had it completely devolved simply to thepersonal belligerence of a spitting contest, 'you're angry vs I'm notangry' ad nauseam I should advise self-moderation and that you takeyourselves off-list and spare the community your personalizedargument. However this thread in process seems tobe resolving itself in thoughtful way around the content. Generallyif it were to continue on devolved as just a pissing contest I wouldrequest that folks take their personal argument off-line and sparethe list otherwise or else suffer having the flow of their posts asthey write to FFL be moderated, and then possibly released to thelist for general reading as I may get around to them. More succinctly, we've learned a lotabout Edg here by his writing in this thread and people seem to be self-moderatingas this goes along. If this or any other argument devolves topersonalized arguments of “You're a [..insert insulting slur]person. - No, I'm not [insult]” endlessly, folks will feel thelevers of moderation pulled in accord with the Yahoo-groupsguidelines. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Well, yes, this is what subscribers are supposed to do: read the messages and post their comments. Moderators are supposed to also read all the messages and then delete the inappropriate responses. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : he has to scrutinise a lot more messages, which I would think is a thankless chore, and then make some kind of judgement call that seems fair in relation to the group's dynamics and all
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
The ramp up begins... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doug, in all seriousness, if what you say below is true, this should be the last time we hear from you on the subject of moderation, right? I mean, if no one is hurling personalized invective, there will be no one's posts to delete, and more important THERE WILL BE NOTHING FOR *YOU* TO COMMENT ON. No more 1,600+ word rants spammed to Fairfield Life every other day for months. No more posts from you that *intentionally* attempt to preach the need for moderation or that attempt to blame it on a small group of people with whom you just *happen* to disagree on most philosophical points. It looks as if your job is done. Good. And goodbye. Not to mention good riddance. We fervently hope that your quest as moderator from here on out is both successful, and SILENT, and that we never hear from you on the subject of moderation again. Ever. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry This evidently is progressing. As I read through this thread I feel you all moderating yourselves in accord with the advice of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. I find no need now to step in here between you all. Had it completely devolved simply to the personal belligerence of a spitting contest, 'you're angry vs I'm not angry' ad nauseam I should advise self-moderation and that you take yourselves off-list and spare the community your personalized argument. However this thread in process seems to be resolving itself in thoughtful way around the content. Generally if it were to continue on devolved as just a pissing contest I would request that folks take their personal argument off-line and spare the list otherwise or else suffer having the flow of their posts as they write to FFL be moderated, and then possibly released to the list for general reading as I may get around to them. More succinctly, we've learned a lot about Edg here by his writing in this thread and people seem to be self-moderating as this goes along. If this or any other argument devolves to personalized arguments of “You're a [..insert insulting slur] person. - No, I'm not [insult]” endlessly, folks will feel the levers of moderation pulled in accord with the Yahoo-groups guidelines. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Well, yes, this is what subscribers are supposed to do: read the messages and post their comments. Moderators are supposed to also read all the messages and then delete the inappropriate responses. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : he has to scrutinise a lot more messages, which I would think is a thankless chore, and then make some kind of judgement call that seems fair in relation to the group's dynamics and all the other considerations. All you have to do is just follow this simple rule: 1. Keep it PG-13: Never write or say anything on the internet that you wouldn't let your kids read. It can really come back to haunt you later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? That's fine. And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. No, you are just reading that into. I did not read the same message. When you see a certain irregularity on an animal cracker, do you read some significance into that? Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO? I don't have that many thoughts per second, if you are referring to different mental streams, different subjects and emotions in those thoughts If you
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
And thus, the formulae to grasp the secret of life is delineated.
Secret of life, my ass. I find this post almost completely offensive,
especially the next-to-the-last paragraph, which is as egregious an example of
personalized insult as anything I've ever seen here on FFL. And just when we
were doing so much better, too...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
Now just what the #$*@# do you mean by that you son of a #@%$, sitting there in some ultra liberal Dutch coffee shop with a bunch of god$#$%# non-believers spouting off your irreligious claptrap while drinking that vile brown forsaken liquid you use as a drug. No doubt that will lead to some substantial behaviour faults that will lead to serious and damning consequences like watching TV. Don't you know THAT I DO KNOW THE SECRET OF LIFE you insignificant squashed bug. I have a certificate from the Institute of Incomprehensible Ascended Masters of Ultimate Wisdom. You should be grovelling on your knees with your face in the mud you $%#@#!!# infidel! A pox on you and your generation. A pox on your descendents (as if there will be any)! A pox on your Oh, what the $#@%. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : And thus, the formulae to grasp the secret of life is delineated. Secret of life, my ass. I find this post almost completely offensive, especially the next-to-the-last paragraph, which is as egregious an example of personalized insult as anything I've ever seen here on FFL. And just when we were doing so much better, too... From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] [explicative deleted] ... snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
On the entertainment forums I'm on we blast the bleeping which the
networks feel compelled to do often just to satisfy the concerns of
advertisers concerned about their perception of the Bible thumping
Midwest. This is why many of us are happy to have cut the cable where
services like Netflix do no such bleeping unless it's already in some
show they got from a US network. It's also interesting find what is in
shows that come from across the border in Canada that are broadcast.
Several years back the FOX network sued to try to get rid of some of the
FCC broadcast restrictions. They lost. It was a business move because
after all it costs money to create two version of a show. Case in
point, the NBC show Aquarius actually shot two versions of some
scenes. The uncensored versions played in Australia. I watched the
show on Hulu which does not censor.
It's not that a bunch of us want to hear a bunch of profanity or see a
lot of nudity but that we feel insulted if we are not treated as
adults or not allowed content due to a demented bunch of Bible thumpers.
Last night I watched a fun little movie called Free the Nipple on
Netflix. It's a fictionalized story of a real movement that began in
New York to allow women to go topless in the city. After all if guys
can why can't women?
America is a nation of issues. And probably one of the benefits of
getting FFL email is posts go out before deletion or censoring can even
occur. ;-)
On 06/16/2015 08:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
And thus, the formulae to grasp the secret of life is delineated.
*/Secret of life, my ass. I find this post almost completely
offensive, especially the next-to-the-last paragraph, which is as
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seen here on FFL. And just when we were doing so much better, too.../*
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
Xeno,
Can you write a post without any expletives?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
And thus, the formulae to grasp the secret of life is delineated.
Secret of life, my ass. I find this post almost completely offensive,
especially the next-to-the-last paragraph, which is as egregious an example of
personalized insult as anything I've ever seen here on FFL. And just when we
were doing so much better, too...
From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
It's not that a bunch of us want to hear a bunch of profanity or see a lot of
nudity but that we feel insulted if we are not treated as adults or not
allowed content due to a demented bunch of Bible thumpers.
Exactly. Just substitute Gita thumpers for Bible thumpers, and you've got
FFL.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
On the entertainment forums I'm on we blast the bleeping which the
networks feel compelled to do often just to satisfy the concerns of advertisers
concerned about their perception of the Bible thumping Midwest. This is why
many of us are happy to have cut the cable where services like Netflix do no
such bleeping unless it's already in some show they got from a US network.
It's also interesting find what is in shows that come from across the border in
Canada that are broadcast.
Several years back the FOX network sued to try to get rid of some of the FCC
broadcast restrictions. They lost. It was a business move because after all
it costs money to create two version of a show. Case in point, the NBC show
Aquarius actually shot two versions of some scenes. The uncensored versions
played in Australia. I watched the show on Hulu which does not censor.
It's not that a bunch of us want to hear a bunch of profanity or see a lot
of nudity but that we feel insulted if we are not treated as adults or not
allowed content due to a demented bunch of Bible thumpers.
Last night I watched a fun little movie called Free the Nipple on Netflix.
It's a fictionalized story of a real movement that began in New York to allow
women to go topless in the city. After all if guys can why can't women?
America is a nation of issues. And probably one of the benefits of getting
FFL email is posts go out before deletion or censoring can even occur. ;-)
On 06/16/2015 08:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
And thus, the formulae to grasp the secret of life is delineated.
Secret of life, my ass. I find this post almost completely offensive,
especially the next-to-the-last paragraph, which is as egregious an example of
personalized insult as anything I've ever seen here on FFL. And just when we
were doing so much better, too...
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
As much as I hate to admit it, as a writer I must admit that the version with
all the [explicative deleted] and {phrase deleted} entries had better
alliterative qualities than the unexpurgated version below. Go figure. :-)
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
Now just what the #$*@# do you mean by that you son of a #@%$, sitting
there in some ultra liberal Dutch coffee shop with a bunch of god$#$%#
non-believers spouting off your irreligious claptrap while drinking that vile
brown forsaken liquid you use as a drug. No doubt that will lead to some
substantial behaviour faults that will lead to serious and damning consequences
like watching TV. Don't you know THAT I DO KNOW THE SECRET OF LIFE you
insignificant squashed bug. I have a certificate from the Institute of
Incomprehensible Ascended Masters of Ultimate Wisdom. You should be grovelling
on your knees with your face in the mud you $%#@#!!# infidel! A pox on you and
your generation. A pox on your descendents (as if there will be any)! A pox on
your Oh, what the $#@%.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
And thus, the formulae to grasp the secret of life is delineated.
Secret of life, my ass. I find this post almost completely offensive,
especially the next-to-the-last paragraph, which is as egregious an example of
personalized insult as anything I've ever seen here on FFL. And just when we
were doing so much better, too...
From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
You are obviously an idiot — that was a new post with new material. You writers
are just an elitist bunch of crappers.
On another benign note, I was once on a walk with a couple of people in
Washington D.C. who were working for the college of natural law (real estate
speculation). One of these fellows said that creativity was 'working to
accepted standards'. I disagreed. The discussion had begun because I had
brought up Gary Larson, the artist/writer who at the time was the creator of
the Far Side comic published in the newspapers then. This fellow did not think
Larson creative. Another in the same profession, Bill Waterson who wrote and
drew Calvin and Hobbes is another who I considered creative. These two guys
gave depth to comics because their writing and art had subtext, it did not hit
you directly as most comics did with a rather flat model of humour, they forced
you to think and draw lines between the dots and appreciate the irregularities
of human behaviour.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
As much as I hate to admit it, as a writer I must admit that the version with
all the [explicative deleted] and {phrase deleted} entries had better
alliterative qualities than the unexpurgated version below. Go figure. :-)
From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
Now just what the #$*@# do you mean by that you son of a #@%$, sitting
there in some ultra liberal Dutch coffee shop with a bunch of god$#$%#
non-believers spouting off your irreligious claptrap while drinking that vile
brown forsaken liquid you use as a drug. No doubt that will lead to some
substantial behaviour faults that will lead to serious and damning consequences
like watching TV. Don't you know THAT I DO KNOW THE SECRET OF LIFE you
insignificant squashed bug. I have a certificate from the Institute of
Incomprehensible Ascended Masters of Ultimate Wisdom. You should be grovelling
on your knees with your face in the mud you $%#@#!!# infidel! A pox on you and
your generation. A pox on your descendents (as if there will be any)! A pox on
your Oh, what the $#@%.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
And thus, the formulae to grasp the secret of life is delineated.
Secret of life, my ass. I find this post almost completely offensive,
especially the next-to-the-last paragraph, which is as egregious an example of
personalized insult as anything I've ever seen here on FFL. And just when we
were doing so much better, too...
From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
You are obviously an idiot — that was a new post with new material. You
writers are just an elitist bunch of crappers.
On another benign note, I was once on a walk with a couple of people in
Washington D.C. who were working for the college of natural law (real estate
speculation). One of these fellows said that creativity was 'working to
accepted standards'. I disagreed. The discussion had begun because I had
brought up Gary Larson, the artist/writer who at the time was the creator of
the Far Side comic published in the newspapers then. This fellow did not think
Larson creative.
Another in the same profession, Bill Waterson who wrote and drew Calvin and
Hobbes is another who I considered creative. These two guys gave depth to
comics because their writing and art had subtext, it did not hit you directly
as most comics did with a rather flat model of humour, they forced you to think
and draw lines between the dots and appreciate the irregularities of human
behaviour.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
As much as I hate to admit it, as a writer I must admit that the version with
all the [explicative deleted] and {phrase deleted} entries had better
alliterative qualities than the unexpurgated version below. Go figure. :-)
From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
Now just what the #$*@# do you mean by that you son of a #@%$, sitting there
in some ultra liberal Dutch coffee shop with a bunch of god$#$%# non-believers
spouting off your irreligious claptrap while drinking that vile brown forsaken
liquid you use as a drug. No doubt that will lead to some substantial behaviour
faults that will lead to serious and damning consequences like watching TV.
Don't you know THAT I DO KNOW THE SECRET OF LIFE you insignificant squashed
bug. I have a certificate from the Institute of Incomprehensible Ascended
Masters of Ultimate Wisdom. You should be grovelling on your knees with your
face in the mud you $%#@#!!# infidel! A pox on you and your generation. A pox
on your descendents (as if there will be any)! A pox on your Oh, what the
$#@%.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
And thus, the formulae to grasp the secret of life is delineated.
Secret of life, my ass. I find this post almost completely offensive,
especially the next-to-the-last paragraph, which is as egregious an example of
personalized insult as anything I've ever seen here on FFL. And just when we
were doing so much better, too...
From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes it reads like continued harassment and ranting at this point. It is getting time for folks to relinquish here this antagonized feeling about the groups-guidelines and to move forward in greater alignment with them or move on. -JaiGuruYou! But he is in alignment with them as you did used to post endless rants about how the place was going downhill, ironically in part because of your refusal to join in and post interesting and relevant stuff (like a lot of other people round here). You can't threaten people for complaining about you if they are justified in doing so. And considering how much crap Tedious Dickwad posts on the average day that doesn't get as much as a mere mention from you one could almost say you are starting on a depressingly partisan note. I think we should all keep an eye on any potential hypocrisy from you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : This sounds seriously personal so we could probably all agree that it could be deleted from the archive without anyone missing it. LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doug, in all seriousness, if what you say below is true, this should be the last time we hear from you on the subject of moderation, right? I mean, if no one is hurling personalized invective, there will be no one's posts to delete, and more important THERE WILL BE NOTHING FOR *YOU* TO COMMENT ON. No more 1,600+ word rants spammed to Fairfield Life every other day for months. No more posts from you that *intentionally* attempt to preach the need for moderation or that attempt to blame it on a small group of people with whom you just *happen* to disagree on most philosophical points. It looks as if your job is done. Good. And goodbye. Not to mention good riddance. We fervently hope that your quest as moderator from here on out is both successful, and SILENT, and that we never hear from you on the subject of moderation again. Ever. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry This evidently is progressing. As I read through this thread I feel you all moderating yourselves in accord with the advice of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. I find no need now to step in here between you all. Had it completely devolved simply to the personal belligerence of a spitting contest, 'you're angry vs I'm not angry' ad nauseam I should advise self-moderation and that you take yourselves off-list and spare the community your personalized argument. However this thread in process seems to be resolving itself in thoughtful way around the content. Generally if it were to continue on devolved as just a pissing contest I would request that folks take their personal argument off-line and spare the list otherwise or else suffer having the flow of their posts as they write to FFL be moderated, and then possibly released to the list for general reading as I may get around to them. More succinctly, we've learned a lot about Edg here by his writing in this thread and people seem to be self-moderating as this goes along. If this or any other argument devolves to personalized arguments of “You're a [..insert insulting slur] person. - No, I'm not [insult]” endlessly, folks will feel the levers of moderation pulled in accord with the Yahoo-groups guidelines. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Well, yes, this is what subscribers are supposed to do: read the messages and post their comments. Moderators are supposed to also read all the messages and then delete the inappropriate responses. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : he has to scrutinise a lot more messages, which I would think is a thankless chore, and then make some kind of judgement call that seems fair in relation to the group's dynamics and all the other considerations. All you have to do is just follow this simple rule: 1. Keep it PG-13: Never write or say anything on the internet that you wouldn't let your kids read. It can really come back to haunt you later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? That's fine. And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. No, you are just reading that into. I did not read the same message. When you see a certain irregularity
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
Yes it reads like continued harassment and ranting at this point. It is getting time for folks to relinquish here this antagonized feeling about the groups-guidelines and to move forward in greater alignment with them or move on. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rich...@rwilliams.us wrote : This sounds seriously personal so we could probably all agree that it could be deleted from the archive without anyone missing it. LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doug, in all seriousness, if what you say below is true, this should be the last time we hear from you on the subject of moderation, right? I mean, if no one is hurling personalized invective, there will be no one's posts to delete, and more important THERE WILL BE NOTHING FOR *YOU* TO COMMENT ON. No more 1,600+ word rants spammed to Fairfield Life every other day for months. No more posts from you that *intentionally* attempt to preach the need for moderation or that attempt to blame it on a small group of people with whom you just *happen* to disagree on most philosophical points. It looks as if your job is done. Good. And goodbye. Not to mention good riddance. We fervently hope that your quest as moderator from here on out is both successful, and SILENT, and that we never hear from you on the subject of moderation again. Ever. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry This evidently is progressing. As I read through this thread I feel you all moderating yourselves in accord with the advice of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. I find no need now to step in here between you all. Had it completely devolved simply to the personal belligerence of a spitting contest, 'you're angry vs I'm not angry' ad nauseam I should advise self-moderation and that you take yourselves off-list and spare the community your personalized argument. However this thread in process seems to be resolving itself in thoughtful way around the content. Generally if it were to continue on devolved as just a pissing contest I would request that folks take their personal argument off-line and spare the list otherwise or else suffer having the flow of their posts as they write to FFL be moderated, and then possibly released to the list for general reading as I may get around to them. More succinctly, we've learned a lot about Edg here by his writing in this thread and people seem to be self-moderating as this goes along. If this or any other argument devolves to personalized arguments of “You're a [..insert insulting slur] person. - No, I'm not [insult]” endlessly, folks will feel the levers of moderation pulled in accord with the Yahoo-groups guidelines. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Well, yes, this is what subscribers are supposed to do: read the messages and post their comments. Moderators are supposed to also read all the messages and then delete the inappropriate responses. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : he has to scrutinise a lot more messages, which I would think is a thankless chore, and then make some kind of judgement call that seems fair in relation to the group's dynamics and all the other considerations. All you have to do is just follow this simple rule: 1. Keep it PG-13: Never write or say anything on the internet that you wouldn't let your kids read. It can really come back to haunt you later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? That's fine. And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. No, you are just reading that into. I did not read the same message. When you see a certain irregularity on an animal cracker, do you read some significance into that? Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
Yes pitiable. He evidently isn't reading how the wind is blowing [direction and speed]. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote : The ramp up begins... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doug, in all seriousness, if what you say below is true, this should be the last time we hear from you on the subject of moderation, right? I mean, if no one is hurling personalized invective, there will be no one's posts to delete, and more important THERE WILL BE NOTHING FOR *YOU* TO COMMENT ON. No more 1,600+ word rants spammed to Fairfield Life every other day for months. No more posts from you that *intentionally* attempt to preach the need for moderation or that attempt to blame it on a small group of people with whom you just *happen* to disagree on most philosophical points. It looks as if your job is done. Good. And goodbye. Not to mention good riddance. We fervently hope that your quest as moderator from here on out is both successful, and SILENT, and that we never hear from you on the subject of moderation again. Ever. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry This evidently is progressing. As I read through this thread I feel you all moderating yourselves in accord with the advice of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. I find no need now to step in here between you all. Had it completely devolved simply to the personal belligerence of a spitting contest, 'you're angry vs I'm not angry' ad nauseam I should advise self-moderation and that you take yourselves off-list and spare the community your personalized argument. However this thread in process seems to be resolving itself in thoughtful way around the content. Generally if it were to continue on devolved as just a pissing contest I would request that folks take their personal argument off-line and spare the list otherwise or else suffer having the flow of their posts as they write to FFL be moderated, and then possibly released to the list for general reading as I may get around to them. More succinctly, we've learned a lot about Edg here by his writing in this thread and people seem to be self-moderating as this goes along. If this or any other argument devolves to personalized arguments of “You're a [..insert insulting slur] person. - No, I'm not [insult]” endlessly, folks will feel the levers of moderation pulled in accord with the Yahoo-groups guidelines. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Well, yes, this is what subscribers are supposed to do: read the messages and post their comments. Moderators are supposed to also read all the messages and then delete the inappropriate responses. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : he has to scrutinise a lot more messages, which I would think is a thankless chore, and then make some kind of judgement call that seems fair in relation to the group's dynamics and all the other considerations. All you have to do is just follow this simple rule: 1. Keep it PG-13: Never write or say anything on the internet that you wouldn't let your kids read. It can really come back to haunt you later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? That's fine. And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. No, you are just reading that into. I did not read the same message. When you see a certain irregularity on an animal cracker, do you read some significance into that? Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
This sounds seriously personal so we could probably all agree that it could be deleted from the archive without anyone missing it. LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doug, in all seriousness, if what you say below is true, this should be the last time we hear from you on the subject of moderation, right? I mean, if no one is hurling personalized invective, there will be no one's posts to delete, and more important THERE WILL BE NOTHING FOR *YOU* TO COMMENT ON. No more 1,600+ word rants spammed to Fairfield Life every other day for months. No more posts from you that *intentionally* attempt to preach the need for moderation or that attempt to blame it on a small group of people with whom you just *happen* to disagree on most philosophical points. It looks as if your job is done. Good. And goodbye. Not to mention good riddance. We fervently hope that your quest as moderator from here on out is both successful, and SILENT, and that we never hear from you on the subject of moderation again. Ever. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry This evidently is progressing. As I read through this thread I feel you all moderating yourselves in accord with the advice of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. I find no need now to step in here between you all. Had it completely devolved simply to the personal belligerence of a spitting contest, 'you're angry vs I'm not angry' ad nauseam I should advise self-moderation and that you take yourselves off-list and spare the community your personalized argument. However this thread in process seems to be resolving itself in thoughtful way around the content. Generally if it were to continue on devolved as just a pissing contest I would request that folks take their personal argument off-line and spare the list otherwise or else suffer having the flow of their posts as they write to FFL be moderated, and then possibly released to the list for general reading as I may get around to them. More succinctly, we've learned a lot about Edg here by his writing in this thread and people seem to be self-moderating as this goes along. If this or any other argument devolves to personalized arguments of “You're a [..insert insulting slur] person. - No, I'm not [insult]” endlessly, folks will feel the levers of moderation pulled in accord with the Yahoo-groups guidelines. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Well, yes, this is what subscribers are supposed to do: read the messages and post their comments. Moderators are supposed to also read all the messages and then delete the inappropriate responses. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : he has to scrutinise a lot more messages, which I would think is a thankless chore, and then make some kind of judgement call that seems fair in relation to the group's dynamics and all the other considerations. All you have to do is just follow this simple rule: 1. Keep it PG-13: Never write or say anything on the internet that you wouldn't let your kids read. It can really come back to haunt you later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? That's fine. And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. No, you are just reading that into. I did not read the same message. When you see a certain irregularity on an animal cracker, do you read some significance into that? Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO? I don't have that many thoughts per second, if you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
Om Dear Edg, yes by the way it would help bring us all (FFL) in to alignment with yahoo-groups if you should drop the all-cap profanity and the in-your-face profanity you use in your writing here. As a creative device it evidently went over folks that you were not in fact angry until you now later explained what you were doing with it as a writing device. Possibly by instead inserting the use of brackets [ ], [explicative deleted] as in the Watergate transcripts most all of us would understand and it should better bring your writing here within guideline and yet also allow you to be creative with the impact of your writing here. -JaiGuruYou Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting. -Yahoo-groups guidelines ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? That's fine. And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. No, you are just reading that into. I did not read the same message. When you see a certain irregularity on an animal cracker, do you read some significance into that? Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO? I don't have that many thoughts per second, if you are referring to different mental streams, different subjects and emotions in those thoughts If you haven't been all roles of life and gotten really muddified, shame on you for wasting a life. Am I angry right now as I type this? NOOO! THIS IS FUN ! I'm writing! I'm putting words together just so. If I was angry, you'd not know it until the boom was lowered -- would not want to give you advanced warning...that I was just now stepping up onto your porchwith a blunt instrument.hee heesee?I just put an onerous image into your mind..writers get away with this shit. And, me?, angry at the pissants here when I have had REAL ENEMIES WHO DID MASSIVE DAMAGE TO ME IN EVERY WAY? Get real -- no one here is worth my anger. And by the way, I have never taken revenge on anyone in the real world.though I did win three lawsuits.I mostly mean punching someone in the nose -- haven't been in a fist fight since I was 13 years old. Not saying that Willy's nose wouldn't be bloodied if I was stuck in an elevator with him, but God has protected me by not putting me in said circumstances. Lucky me, eh? The real issue that I was addressing with satire is that Steve's trolling is too subtle for the likes of Doug to moderate. Doug can't nail Steve for having an evil intent, because it would require a massive trial and gathering of facts -- impossible. THAT WAS MY POINT. Doug is going to fail at moderation, because everyone would fail at it. Your writing style, like that of Ravi some years ago seems to give the impression to others that you are not quite right mentally. And how much more does it take for Doug to declare someone a misfit troll out to make someone feel bad? I would say your previous post might trigger some action, based on a rather literal reading of Yahoo guidelines. Does it really have to be such a large deal like someone asserting a lie that amounts to legal libel before Doug will ban someone? Doug may be feeling compassion. Perhaps he thinks you should be hospitalised. It's obvious that there's many here who LOVE TO DIG AT SOMEONE and get them riled up, and yet, Doug has not addressed anyone's MANY sins since he took over here. See? That's proof about how hard it is to pull it off -- Doug's probably regretting this, heh. I think, based on what Doug posted recently, is he is trying to get the feel of what is going on. I am not sure how many of everyone's messages he read before, but now he has to scrutinise a lot more
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 12:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry Om Dear Edg, yes by the way it would help bring us all (FFL) in to alignment with yahoo-groups if youshould drop the all-cap profanity and the in-your-face profanity you use in your writing here. As acreative device it evidently went over folks that you were not in fact angryuntil you now later explained what you were doing with it as awriting device. Possibly by instead inserting the use of brackets[ ], [explicative deleted] as in the Watergate transcripts most all ofus would understand and it should better bring your writing herewithin guideline and yet also allow you to be creative with theimpact of your writing here. -JaiGuruYou Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting. -Yahoo-groups guidelines OK, for a moment there (Doug's earlier post today), I actually thought that there might be a possibility that Doug would allow this whole moderator thing to die down and stop using it as a platform to impose his own personal small-mindedness and puritanical beliefs on other people. But n. With this post he makes it clear that what he really wants IS to censor what people say, and to micro-manage even the language they use to say it. I look forward with some pleasure to seeing Edg and hopefully a few other people reply to this post appropriately by telling him to go [expletive deleted] himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? That's fine. And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. No, you are just reading that into. I did not read the same message. When you see a certain irregularity on an animal cracker, do you read some significance into that? Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO? I don't have that many thoughts per second, if you are referring to different mental streams, different subjects and emotions in those thoughts If you haven't been all roles of life and gotten really muddified, shame on you for wasting a life. Am I angry right now as I type this? NOOO! THIS IS FUN ! I'm writing! I'm putting words together just so. If I was angry, you'd not know it until the boom was lowered -- would not want to give you advanced warning...that I was just now stepping up onto your porchwith a blunt instrument.hee heesee?I just put an onerous image into your mind..writers get away with this shit. And, me?, angry at the pissants here when I have had REAL ENEMIES WHO DID MASSIVE DAMAGE TO ME IN EVERY WAY? Get real -- no one here is worth my anger. And by the way, I have never taken revenge on anyone in the real world.though I did win three lawsuits.I mostly mean punching someone in the nose -- haven't been in a fist fight since I was 13 years old. Not saying that Willy's nose wouldn't be bloodied if I was stuck in an elevator with him, but God has protected me by not putting me in said circumstances. Lucky me, eh? The real issue that I was addressing with satire is that Steve's trolling is too subtle for the likes of Doug to moderate. Doug can't nail Steve for having an evil intent, because it would require a massive trial and gathering of facts -- impossible. THAT WAS MY POINT. Doug is going to fail at moderation, because everyone would fail at it. Your writing style, like that of Ravi some years ago seems to give the impression to others that you are not quite right mentally. And how much more does it take for Doug to declare someone a misfit troll out to make someone feel
[FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Om Dear Edg, yes by the way it would help bring us all (FFL) in to alignment with yahoo-groups if you should drop the all-cap profanity and the in-your-face profanity you use in your writing here. As a creative device it evidently went over folks that you were not in fact angry until you now later explained what you were doing with it as a writing device. Possibly by instead inserting the use of brackets [ ], [explicative deleted] as in the Watergate transcripts most all of us would understand and it should better bring your writing here within guideline and yet also allow you to be creative with the impact of your writing here. -JaiGuruYou Ha ha, great joke Doug. Unless it wasn't - hard to tell with you - in which case I'll finish each post with a Sieg Heil to keep in with the spirit of things. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting. -Yahoo-groups guidelines ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? That's fine. And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. No, you are just reading that into. I did not read the same message. When you see a certain irregularity on an animal cracker, do you read some significance into that? Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO? I don't have that many thoughts per second, if you are referring to different mental streams, different subjects and emotions in those thoughts If you haven't been all roles of life and gotten really muddified, shame on you for wasting a life. Am I angry right now as I type this? NOOO! THIS IS FUN ! I'm writing! I'm putting words together just so. If I was angry, you'd not know it until the boom was lowered -- would not want to give you advanced warning...that I was just now stepping up onto your porchwith a blunt instrument.hee heesee?I just put an onerous image into your mind..writers get away with this shit. And, me?, angry at the pissants here when I have had REAL ENEMIES WHO DID MASSIVE DAMAGE TO ME IN EVERY WAY? Get real -- no one here is worth my anger. And by the way, I have never taken revenge on anyone in the real world.though I did win three lawsuits.I mostly mean punching someone in the nose -- haven't been in a fist fight since I was 13 years old. Not saying that Willy's nose wouldn't be bloodied if I was stuck in an elevator with him, but God has protected me by not putting me in said circumstances. Lucky me, eh? The real issue that I was addressing with satire is that Steve's trolling is too subtle for the likes of Doug to moderate. Doug can't nail Steve for having an evil intent, because it would require a massive trial and gathering of facts -- impossible. THAT WAS MY POINT. Doug is going to fail at moderation, because everyone would fail at it. Your writing style, like that of Ravi some years ago seems to give the impression to others that you are not quite right mentally. And how much more does it take for Doug to declare someone a misfit troll out to make someone feel bad? I would say your previous post might trigger some action, based on a rather literal reading of Yahoo guidelines. Does it really have to be such a large deal like someone asserting a lie that amounts to legal libel before Doug will ban someone? Doug may be feeling compassion. Perhaps he thinks you should be hospitalised. It's obvious that there's many here who LOVE TO DIG AT SOMEONE and get them riled up, and yet, Doug has not addressed anyone's MANY sins since he took over here. See? That's proof about how hard it is to pull it off -- Doug's
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Fairly enough. Well I've been to the lecture and yes just tells it likes I seen it. Should we judge the ongoing of a whole millenarian revolution by some bad apples that were in a harvest? Though if you know folks in it there quite evidently are a lot of good people doing good work inside the group and there is a lot of process going on right now to reform things with a higher regard for ethical behavior and outcomes. A lot of cultural idiosyncrasy is being moved out inside aspects of the movement thru the processes of the larger meditating community alliance around communal mental health. This particular lecture is not a new one but is evidently part of larger processes towards clarifying things going forward in reform. You being away from things may miss what is going on and may miss the changes in a simple holding of prejudices from the past. Live and learn, -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: So, Doug, are you personally vouching for this guy? You're sure he's not like, say, Harold Bloomfield? Or Herbert Benson? Or, any of the various experts that have come into the movement spotlight and were never to be heard from again? There's lots and lots of ex-TM-heroes that are now scandalous zeroes, correct? So what makes us trust this guy if credentials and charisma are so easily faked that the TM Movment has repeatedly been fooled into honoring individuals who then went on TO DISGRACE -- EVEN INCLUDING PRISON FOR HEINOUS CRIMES? The TM Movement is DICTATORIALLY MUM about Girish's legal troubles in India, and about all the past heroes now in ruins. How is it, then, that you DARE TO RISK YOUR PRECIOUS INTEGRITY by putting your imprimatur upon him? Have you not yourself been FOOLED into honoring the above mentioned zeroes and many others? How has your ability to pick a hero improved? How can we believe you with such a track record -- even including ongoing crimes that are being hushed up and NOT mentioned by you as you have mentioned this announcement? Where is your fair and balanced integrity as a reporter if you are not investigating what you bring to us? Seems to me that you need to shore up this ADVERTISEMENT with a personal testimony that shows the depth of your scholarship in putting forth this doctor as if he should be saluted. And if you're merely passing along some MUM promotional announcement, don't you think you're BOTHERING JUST ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE HERE WITH SUCH AN OFFENSIVE OFFERING THAT HAS NO BASIS IN RESEARCHED FACTS THAT HAVE BEEN ELSEWHERE DUPLICATED BY NON-MOVEMENT SCIENTISTS? Are you not, Sir, I ask you directly, trolling MOST of the minds here? What say you? What is your true intent to do this to us when we have so vociferously and for A DECADE shown that we have only a wicked disdain for this kind of information? Pony up, Dude. Be real. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Om by the way, I went to the lecture and it was really a fine and fair synthesis of material. When you step back the lecture is a charting to what evidently is coming as the future fusion of allopathic and wholistic medicine anyway. Trained as a Medical Doctor, a career-long research scientist with a long list of active funded research, a long record of published work, and a senior faculty member of MUM he is quite well qualified enough to lecture on topics of the health of the mind and body, which synthesized becomes psychiatry as the mind relates to cardiology, the heart. The implications are cross-discipline great. “One’s state of mental health is as important a risk factor for heart disease as high blood pressure, cholesterol, and diabetes,” said Dr. Schneider, dean of the Maharishi College of Perfect Health. Lecture on 'Vedic Psychiatry'.. 416339Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF Mental Health Alliance: Shifting Cultural Attitudes https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/416339 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/416339 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : MJ, FFL being categorized with Yahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope that people could come in here and express their own spiritual experience without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You seem to have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'. Would pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status here better provide safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFL with their experiences? For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or someone from his office come on here and express their feelings in conversation here, without threat of abuse. Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL as a vehicle.
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Oh, Goddamn, Edg. Please stop with the faux outrage. But, but, as you are, IMO, one of the most interesting people here, I can't say I regret bring you back into the dialog with my mild barb. I mean, you realize this is one of the few times you have actually responded to a post in about two years. But, in all honesty Edg, I think your post to Doug, holding him accountable for the credentials of this scientist, was also, IMO, downright silly, and of course an impossible thing to do, and might qualify as its own type of trolling. So, that's my take. Gotta get ready to go to work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Steve, You are labeling me as someone with stored up anger.to whatever degreeand for a large part of my adult life. This is an ad hominem -- in a public forum. How so? Quite simply I have not reported (here at FFL or elsewhere online) my inner emotional states throughout my life with any detail such that a, what?, couch psychiatrist?, can insinuate about my past or present or future emotional states.let alone present a logical assembly of my posts that would demonstrate to a scientific prognosticator enough information for that decider to say, Oh, yeah, that kind of mind, piss on it, that anger just clouds his judgment and it's just not worth dealing with this fuckwad. Yet this is exactly the intent of your post. You with no credentials are asserting something untrue about me. This is a foul accusation about me. I protest to Doug. Doug? There are not enough facts in evidence that I am someone with stored up anger -- which is merely code for might blow at any minute. My online history is checkered with every manner of emotionalism, because I'm a writer and give myself permission to be silly, satirical, rude, outrageous, poetic, raw, real, fake OR WHATEVER. To interpret who I am from my online posts would require a PhD jury to authenticate some candidate's findings. AS FUCKING IF. This is an outrageous smear job by any decent minded regard. And, further, the question: Does that make sense? is clearly another attempt to present the concept Edg is sooo fucking stupid, you have to treat him like child, and always double check what's going on in that little noggin' of his. It is this sort of tactic that everyone here understands for what it is: plain old trolling -- with a smirk that assumes there's denial ability to shield all protests. What? I never meant that. Why how dare you accuse me of having such a low intent. -- like that. Like fucking that. That's the tactic -- to me, it's Gestapol shit. Now, in the past, I would enter into a delightful tirade of withering statements about you, personally, that would leave stains on your soul, but DOUG IS WATCHING, so I won't. But you have violated the intent and spirit of the guidelines -- IN MY OPINION, and I call for Doug to arbitrate this issue and give us the benefit of his wisdom -- here in the public forum where the act occurred. Let's see if you have, indeed, befouled our pristine and new intent to be civil here, or if I'm mistaken and, truly, everyone thinks I'm way over the top in my interpretation of your below text. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : He's a moderator Edg, not responsible for vetting all the content that passes through here in terms of its future efficacy. Or present efficacy for that matter. Nor is he a therapist to help you process whatever anger you have stored up from what appears to be a large part of your adult life participating in this movement. Does that make sense? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So, Doug, are you personally vouching for this guy? You're sure he's not like, say, Harold Bloomfield? Or Herbert Benson? Or, any of the various experts that have come into the movement spotlight and were never to be heard from again? There's lots and lots of ex-TM-heroes that are now scandalous zeroes, correct? So what makes us trust this guy if credentials and charisma are so easily faked that the TM Movment has repeatedly been fooled into honoring individuals who then went on TO DISGRACE -- EVEN INCLUDING PRISON FOR HEINOUS CRIMES? The TM Movement is DICTATORIALLY MUM about Girish's legal troubles in India, and about all the past heroes now in ruins. How is it, then, that you DARE TO RISK YOUR PRECIOUS INTEGRITY by putting your imprimatur upon him? Have you not yourself been FOOLED into honoring the above mentioned zeroes and many others? How has your ability to pick a hero improved? How can we believe you with such a track record -- even including ongoing crimes that are being hushed up and NOT mentioned by you as you have mentioned this announcement? Where is your fair and balanced integrity as a reporter if you are not investigating
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/Very impressive and cogent comments! Is it alright with you that I call you Steve Thanks./ Quoting steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com: Oh, Goddamn, Edg. Please stop with the faux outrage. But, but, as you are, IMO, one of the most interesting people here, I can't say I regret bring you back into the dialog with my mild barb. I mean, you realize this is one of the few times you have actually responded to a post in about two years. But, in all honesty Edg, I think your post to Doug, holding him accountable for the credentials of this scientist, was also, IMO, downright silly, and of course an impossible thing to do, and might qualify as its own type of trolling. So, that's my take. Gotta get ready to go to work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Steve, You are labeling me as someone with stored up anger.to whatever degreeand for a large part of my adult life. This is an ad hominem -- in a public forum. How so? Quite simply I have not reported (here at FFL or elsewhere online) my inner emotional states throughout my life with any detail such that a, what?, couch psychiatrist?, can insinuate about my past or present or future emotional states.let alone present a logical assembly of my posts that would demonstrate to a scientific prognosticator enough information for that decider to say, Oh, yeah, that kind of mind, piss on it, that anger just clouds his judgment and it's just not worth dealing with this fuckwad. Yet this is exactly the intent of your post. You with no credentials are asserting something untrue about me. This is a foul accusation about me. I protest to Doug. Doug? There are not enough facts in evidence that I am someone with stored up anger -- which is merely code for might blow at any minute. My online history is checkered with every manner of emotionalism, because I'm a writer and give myself permission to be silly, satirical, rude, outrageous, poetic, raw, real, fake OR WHATEVER. To interpret who I am from my online posts would require a PhD jury to authenticate some candidate's findings. AS FUCKING IF. This is an outrageous smear job by any decent minded regard. And, further, the question: Does that make sense? is clearly another attempt to present the concept Edg is sooo fucking stupid, you have to treat him like child, and always double check what's going on in that little noggin' of his. It is this sort of tactic that everyone here understands for what it is: plain old trolling -- with a smirk that assumes there's denial ability to shield all protests. What? I never meant that. Why how dare you accuse me of having such a low intent. -- like that. Like fucking that. That's the tactic -- to me, it's Gestapol shit. Now, in the past, I would enter into a delightful tirade of withering statements about you, personally, that would leave stains on your soul, but DOUG IS WATCHING, so I won't. But you have violated the intent and spirit of the guidelines -- IN MY OPINION, and I call for Doug to arbitrate this issue and give us the benefit of his wisdom -- here in the public forum where the act occurred. Let's see if you have, indeed, befouled our pristine and new intent to be civil here, or if I'm mistaken and, truly, everyone thinks I'm way over the top in my interpretation of your below text. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : He's a moderator Edg, not responsible for vetting all the content that passes through here in terms of its future efficacy. Or present efficacy for that matter. Nor is he a therapist to help you process whatever anger you have stored up from what appears to be a large part of your adult life participating in this movement. Does that make sense? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So, Doug, are you personally vouching for this guy? You're sure he's not like, say, Harold Bloomfield? Or Herbert Benson? Or, any of the various experts that have come into the movement spotlight and were never to be heard from again? There's lots and lots of ex-TM-heroes that are now scandalous zeroes, correct? So what makes us trust this guy if credentials and charisma are so easily faked that the TM Movment has repeatedly been fooled into honoring individuals who then went on TO DISGRACE -- EVEN INCLUDING PRISON FOR HEINOUS CRIMES? The TM Movement is DICTATORIALLY MUM about Girish's legal troubles in India, and about all the past heroes now in ruins. How is it, then, that you DARE TO RISK YOUR PRECIOUS INTEGRITY by putting your imprimatur upon him? Have you not yourself been FOOLED into honoring the above mentioned zeroes and many others? How has your ability to
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/It looks like the informant is taking this very seriously. He keeps sending me these long emails but he never replies. Maybe he is angry at me. Go figure./ Quoting Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com: Steve, You are labeling me as someone with stored up anger.to whatever degreeand for a large part of my adult life. This is an ad hominem -- in a public forum. How so? Quite simply I have not reported (here at FFL or elsewhere online) my inner emotional states throughout my life with any detail such that a, what?, couch psychiatrist?, can insinuate about my past or present or future emotional states.let alone present a logical assembly of my posts that would demonstrate to a scientific prognosticator enough information for that decider to say, Oh, yeah, that kind of mind, piss on it, that anger just clouds his judgment and it's just not worth dealing with this fuckwad. Yet this is exactly the intent of your post. You with no credentials are asserting something untrue about me. This is a foul accusation about me. I protest to Doug. Doug? There are not enough facts in evidence that I am someone with stored up anger -- which is merely code for might blow at any minute. My online history is checkered with every manner of emotionalism, because I'm a writer and give myself permission to be silly, satirical, rude, outrageous, poetic, raw, real, fake OR WHATEVER. To interpret who I am from my online posts would require a PhD jury to authenticate some candidate's findings. AS FUCKING IF. This is an outrageous smear job by any decent minded regard. And, further, the question: Does that make sense? is clearly another attempt to present the concept Edg is sooo fucking stupid, you have to treat him like child, and always double check what's going on in that little noggin' of his. It is this sort of tactic that everyone here understands for what it is: plain old trolling -- with a smirk that assumes there's denial ability to shield all protests. What? I never meant that. Why how dare you accuse me of having such a low intent. -- like that. Like fucking that. That's the tactic -- to me, it's Gestapol shit. Now, in the past, I would enter into a delightful tirade of withering statements about you, personally, that would leave stains on your soul, but DOUG IS WATCHING, so I won't. But you have violated the intent and spirit of the guidelines -- IN MY OPINION, and I call for Doug to arbitrate this issue and give us the benefit of his wisdom -- here in the public forum where the act occurred. Let's see if you have, indeed, befouled our pristine and new intent to be civil here, or if I'm mistaken and, truly, everyone thinks I'm way over the top in my interpretation of your below text. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : He's a moderator Edg, not responsible for vetting all the content that passes through here in terms of its future efficacy. Or present efficacy for that matter. Nor is he a therapist to help you process whatever anger you have stored up from what appears to be a large part of your adult life participating in this movement. Does that make sense? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So, Doug, are you personally vouching for this guy? You're sure he's not like, say, Harold Bloomfield? Or Herbert Benson? Or, any of the various experts that have come into the movement spotlight and were never to be heard from again? There's lots and lots of ex-TM-heroes that are now scandalous zeroes, correct? So what makes us trust this guy if credentials and charisma are so easily faked that the TM Movment has repeatedly been fooled into honoring individuals who then went on TO DISGRACE -- EVEN INCLUDING PRISON FOR HEINOUS CRIMES? The TM Movement is DICTATORIALLY MUM about Girish's legal troubles in India, and about all the past heroes now in ruins. How is it, then, that you DARE TO RISK YOUR PRECIOUS INTEGRITY by putting your imprimatur upon him? Have you not yourself been FOOLED into honoring the above mentioned zeroes and many others? How has your ability to pick a hero improved? How can we believe you with such a track record -- even including ongoing crimes that are being hushed up and NOT mentioned by you as you have mentioned this announcement? Where is your fair and balanced integrity as a reporter if you are not investigating what you bring to us? Seems to me that you need to shore up this ADVERTISEMENT with a personal testimony that shows the depth of your scholarship in putting forth this doctor as if he should be saluted. And if you're merely passing along some MUM promotional announcement, don't you think you're BOTHERING JUST ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE HERE WITH SUCH AN OFFENSIVE OFFERING THAT HAS NO BASIS IN RESEARCHED FACTS THAT HAVE BEEN ELSEWHERE DUPLICATED BY NON-MOVEMENT SCIENTISTS? Are
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/Maybe, but I don't think gender should have anything to do with posting on this forum. An informant once called me Shirley for no apparent reason. Go figure./ Quoting TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com: /I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE, BUT I'D BE QUITE AMUSED IF THE FIRST PERSON WHO BITES THE DUST ON THE NEW, MODERATED FAIRFIELD LIFE DOES SO FOR VIOLATING UNWRITTEN RULE #407.1 - UNREPENTENT ABUSE OF A DRAMA QUEEN. :-)/ - FROM: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com TO: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com SENT: Monday, June 15, 2015 7:49 AM SUBJECT: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry Steve, You are labeling me as someone with stored up anger.to whatever degreeand for a large part of my adult life. This is an ad hominem -- in a public forum. How so? Quite simply I have not reported (here at FFL or elsewhere online) my inner emotional states throughout my life with any detail such that a, what?, couch psychiatrist?, can insinuate about my past or present or future emotional states.let alone present a logical assembly of my posts that would demonstrate to a scientific prognosticator enough information for that decider to say, Oh, yeah, that kind of mind, piss on it, that anger just clouds his judgment and it's just not worth dealing with this fuckwad. Yet this is exactly the intent of your post. You with no credentials are asserting something untrue about me. This is a foul accusation about me. I protest to Doug. Doug? There are not enough facts in evidence that I am someone with stored up anger -- which is merely code for might blow at any minute. My online history is checkered with every manner of emotionalism, because I'm a writer and give myself permission to be silly, satirical, rude, outrageous, poetic, raw, real, fake OR WHATEVER. To interpret who I am from my online posts would require a PhD jury to authenticate some candidate's findings. AS FUCKING IF. This is an outrageous smear job by any decent minded regard. And, further, the question: Does that make sense? is clearly another attempt to present the concept Edg is sooo fucking stupid, you have to treat him like child, and always double check what's going on in that little noggin' of his. It is this sort of tactic that everyone here understands for what it is: plain old trolling -- with a smirk that assumes there's denial ability to shield all protests. What? I never meant that. Why how dare you accuse me of having such a low intent. -- like that. Like fucking that. That's the tactic -- to me, it's Gestapol shit. Now, in the past, I would enter into a delightful tirade of withering statements about you, personally, that would leave stains on your soul, but DOUG IS WATCHING, so I won't. But you have violated the intent and spirit of the guidelines -- IN MY OPINION, and I call for Doug to arbitrate this issue and give us the benefit of his wisdom -- here in the public forum where the act occurred. Let's see if you have, indeed, befouled our pristine and new intent to be civil here, or if I'm mistaken and, truly, everyone thinks I'm way over the top in my interpretation of your below text. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : He's a moderator Edg, not responsible for vetting all the content that passes through here in terms of its future efficacy. Or present efficacy for that matter. Nor is he a therapist to help you process whatever anger you have stored up from what appears to be a large part of your adult life participating in this movement. Does that make sense? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So, Doug, are you personally vouching for this guy? You're sure he's not like, say, Harold Bloomfield? Or Herbert Benson? Or, any of the various experts that have come into the movement spotlight and were never to be heard from again? There's lots and lots of ex-TM-heroes that are now scandalous zeroes, correct? So what makes us trust this guy if credentials and charisma are so easily faked that the TM Movment has repeatedly been fooled into honoring individuals who then went on TO DISGRACE -- EVEN INCLUDING PRISON FOR HEINOUS CRIMES? The TM Movement is DICTATORIALLY MUM about Girish's legal troubles in India, and about all the past heroes now in ruins. How is it, then, that you DARE TO RISK YOUR PRECIOUS INTEGRITY by putting your imprimatur upon him? Have you not yourself been FOOLED into honoring the above mentioned zeroes and many others? How has your ability to pick a hero improved? How can we believe you with such a track record -- even including ongoing crimes that are being hushed up and NOT mentioned by you as you have mentioned this announcement? Where
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In what way is the lecture not new? if it is anything like his first presentation all of which I watched, all he says is: 1 - Listen to the patient2 - Tell them not to think stressful or negative thoughts3 - Tell them to think sweet thoughts4 - Read spiritual stuff to keep their mind positive (like Marshy's Gita and the vedas, etc5 - Tell them to do TM Which is baloney and will not in any way mitigate the depressive or suicidal thoughts/feelings of anyone ESPECIALLY if they are already siddhas or governors! From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 7:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry Fairly enough. Well I've been to the lecture and yesjust tells it likes I seen it. Should we judge the ongoing of awhole millenarian revolution by some bad apples that were in aharvest? Though if you know folks in it there quite evidently are a lot ofgood people doing good work inside the group and there is a lot ofprocess going on right now to reform things with a higher regard forethical behavior and outcomes. A lot of cultural idiosyncrasy is being moved out inside aspects of the movement thru the processes of the larger meditating community alliance around communal mental health. This particular lecture is not a new one but is evidently part of larger processes towards clarifying things going forward in reform. You being away from things may miss what is going on and may miss the changes in a simple holding of prejudices from the past. Live and learn, -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: So, Doug, are you personally vouching for this guy? You're sure he's not like, say, Harold Bloomfield? Or Herbert Benson? Or, any of the various experts that have come into the movement spotlight and were never to be heard from again? There's lots and lots of ex-TM-heroes that are now scandalous zeroes, correct? So what makes us trust this guy if credentials and charisma are so easily faked that the TM Movment has repeatedly been fooled into honoring individuals who then went on TO DISGRACE -- EVEN INCLUDING PRISON FOR HEINOUS CRIMES? The TM Movement is DICTATORIALLY MUM about Girish's legal troubles in India, and about all the past heroes now in ruins. How is it, then, that you DARE TO RISK YOUR PRECIOUS INTEGRITY by putting your imprimatur upon him? Have you not yourself been FOOLED into honoring the above mentioned zeroes and many others? How has your ability to pick a hero improved? How can we believe you with such a track record -- even including ongoing crimes that are being hushed up and NOT mentioned by you as you have mentioned this announcement? Where is your fair and balanced integrity as a reporter if you are not investigating what you bring to us? Seems to me that you need to shore up this ADVERTISEMENT with a personal testimony that shows the depth of your scholarship in putting forth this doctor as if he should be saluted. And if you're merely passing along some MUM promotional announcement, don't you think you're BOTHERING JUST ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE HERE WITH SUCH AN OFFENSIVE OFFERING THAT HAS NO BASIS IN RESEARCHED FACTS THAT HAVE BEEN ELSEWHERE DUPLICATED BY NON-MOVEMENT SCIENTISTS? Are you not, Sir, I ask you directly, trolling MOST of the minds here? What say you? What is your true intent to do this to us when we have so vociferously and for A DECADE shown that we have only a wicked disdain for this kind of information? Pony up, Dude. Be real. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Om by the way, I went to the lectureand it was really a fine and fair synthesis of material. When youstep back the lecture is a charting to what evidently is coming asthe future fusion of allopathic and wholistic medicine anyway. Trained as a Medical Doctor, acareer-long research scientist with a long list of active funded research,a long record of published work, and a senior faculty member of MUM he is quitewell qualified enough to lecture on topics of the health of the mindand body, which synthesized becomes psychiatry as the mind relates tocardiology, the heart. The implications are cross-discipline great. “One’sstate of mental health is as important a risk factor for heartdisease as high blood pressure, cholesterol, and diabetes,” saidDr. Schneider, dean of the Maharishi College of Perfect Health. Lecture on 'Vedic Psychiatry'.. 416339Re:[FairfieldLife] Re: FF Mental Health Alliance: Shifting CulturalAttitudes https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/416339 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : MJ, FFL being categorized withYahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope that people couldcome in here and express their own spiritual experience without the harassing
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This is just about all you can do in a psychological situation, without surgery or identifying an underlying cause and making corrections with medications. It is a fact that some people feel better when they have someone to talk to. It's a psychological technique practiced by psychologists world-wide and for a long time. It's the main theme of most self-improvement trainers. Where is Dr, Pete when we need him? P.S. I am sorry for calling you a rebel, but you didn't come across as being in favor of unity. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : In what way is the lecture not new? if it is anything like his first presentation all of which I watched, all he says is: 1 - Listen to the patient 2 - Tell them not to think stressful or negative thoughts 3 - Tell them to think sweet thoughts 4 - Read spiritual stuff to keep their mind positive (like Marshy's Gita and the vedas, etc 5 - Tell them to do TM Which is baloney and will not in any way mitigate the depressive or suicidal thoughts/feelings of anyone ESPECIALLY if they are already siddhas or governors! From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 7:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry Fairly enough. Well I've been to the lecture and yes just tells it likes I seen it. Should we judge the ongoing of a whole millenarian revolution by some bad apples that were in a harvest? Though if you know folks in it there quite evidently are a lot of good people doing good work inside the group and there is a lot of process going on right now to reform things with a higher regard for ethical behavior and outcomes. A lot of cultural idiosyncrasy is being moved out inside aspects of the movement thru the processes of the larger meditating community alliance around communal mental health. This particular lecture is not a new one but is evidently part of larger processes towards clarifying things going forward in reform. You being away from things may miss what is going on and may miss the changes in a simple holding of prejudices from the past. Live and learn, -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: So, Doug, are you personally vouching for this guy? You're sure he's not like, say, Harold Bloomfield? Or Herbert Benson? Or, any of the various experts that have come into the movement spotlight and were never to be heard from again? There's lots and lots of ex-TM-heroes that are now scandalous zeroes, correct? So what makes us trust this guy if credentials and charisma are so easily faked that the TM Movment has repeatedly been fooled into honoring individuals who then went on TO DISGRACE -- EVEN INCLUDING PRISON FOR HEINOUS CRIMES? The TM Movement is DICTATORIALLY MUM about Girish's legal troubles in India, and about all the past heroes now in ruins. How is it, then, that you DARE TO RISK YOUR PRECIOUS INTEGRITY by putting your imprimatur upon him? Have you not yourself been FOOLED into honoring the above mentioned zeroes and many others? How has your ability to pick a hero improved? How can we believe you with such a track record -- even including ongoing crimes that are being hushed up and NOT mentioned by you as you have mentioned this announcement? Where is your fair and balanced integrity as a reporter if you are not investigating what you bring to us? Seems to me that you need to shore up this ADVERTISEMENT with a personal testimony that shows the depth of your scholarship in putting forth this doctor as if he should be saluted. And if you're merely passing along some MUM promotional announcement, don't you think you're BOTHERING JUST ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE HERE WITH SUCH AN OFFENSIVE OFFERING THAT HAS NO BASIS IN RESEARCHED FACTS THAT HAVE BEEN ELSEWHERE DUPLICATED BY NON-MOVEMENT SCIENTISTS? Are you not, Sir, I ask you directly, trolling MOST of the minds here? What say you? What is your true intent to do this to us when we have so vociferously and for A DECADE shown that we have only a wicked disdain for this kind of information? Pony up, Dude. Be real. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Om by the way, I went to the lecture and it was really a fine and fair synthesis of material. When you step back the lecture is a charting to what evidently is coming as the future fusion of allopathic and wholistic medicine anyway. Trained as a Medical Doctor, a career-long research scientist with a long list of active funded research, a long record of published work, and a senior faculty member of MUM he is quite well qualified enough to lecture on topics of the health of the mind and body, which synthesized becomes psychiatry as the mind relates to cardiology, the heart. The implications are cross-discipline great
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Om by the way, I went to the lecture and it was really a fine and fair synthesis of material. When you step back the lecture is a charting to what evidently is coming as the future fusion of allopathic and wholistic medicine anyway. Trained as a Medical Doctor, a career-long research scientist with a long list of active funded research, a long record of published work, and a senior faculty member of MUM he is quite well qualified enough to lecture on topics of the health of the mind and body, which synthesized becomes psychiatry as the mind relates to cardiology, the heart. The implications are cross-discipline great. “One’s state of mental health is as important a risk factor for heart disease as high blood pressure, cholesterol, and diabetes,” said Dr. Schneider, dean of the Maharishi College of Perfect Health. So is he saying that improving heart health improves mental health? Or that there's no point doing one without the other? Are you sure this heart/mind thing is a fair synthesis, he could have a point in some ways about heart health and mental problems but not the other way round. Maybe he's leading you away from something useful because he has to lecture hearts because that's what he knows and has to mention holistic medicine because the audience expects nothing less as they've been brain washed that so-called allopathic medicine is intrinsically a bad thing? It all depends on what symptoms are presented. If it's just middle class worrying or mild anxiety then you can basically say whatever you like as all the person needs is a bit of attention and maybe a crystal to wave at their chakras. Something more serious like a depressive illness or dangerous delusions, suicidal thoughts and a inventing a limp ayurvedic substitute could be a complete waste of time. If not actually dangerous. I am assuming that people have sought help for serious problems or they wouldn't be bothering at all and would just be blaming unstressing. I'd be fascinated to see a breakdown (poor word choice) of symptoms presented to Fairfield doctors. Is it more anxiety or depressive? Social isolation or mood disorders? This stuff interests me greatly but as you can see the idea of the movement inventing a vedic psychiatry to cope with it's failure in other ways is doing nothing to alleviate my anxiety that, once again, they are putting the needs of not contradicting the faith before the principles of finding the best way to do something about it. But maybe the way they find will be no better or worse than anybody elses way. Can we actually really do anything about poor mental health? At least he didn't mention yagya's, MVVT and crystals though right. Right? Lecture on 'Vedic Psychiatry'.. 416339Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF Mental Health Alliance: Shifting Cultural Attitudes https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/416339 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/416339 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : MJ, FFL being categorized with Yahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope that people could come in here and express their own spiritual experience without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You seem to have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'. Would pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status here better provide safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFL with their experiences? For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or someone from his office come on here and express their feelings in conversation here, without threat of abuse. Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL as a vehicle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted my spiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.as has been done to every single person who has come here to report suchlike. I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result? From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I'm thinking over here that having had an experience does not validate as necessarily true the thoughts that arise afterwards. We see most folks here thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant with the ultimate reality of their recent experience. To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about levitation necessarily true. Even the
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This evidently is progressing. As I read through this thread I feel you all moderating yourselves in accord with the advice of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. I find no need now to step in here between you all. Had it completely devolved simply to the personal belligerence of a spitting contest, 'you're angry vs I'm not angry' ad nauseam I should advise self-moderation and that you take yourselves off-list and spare the community your personalized argument. However this thread in process seems to be resolving itself in thoughtful way around the content. Generally if it were to continue on devolved as just a pissing contest I would request that folks take their personal argument off-line and spare the list otherwise or else suffer having the flow of their posts as they write to FFL be moderated, and then possibly released to the list for general reading as I may get around to them. More succinctly, we've learned a lot about Edg here by his writing in this thread and people seem to be self-moderating as this goes along. If this or any other argument devolves to personalized arguments of “You're a [..insert insulting slur] person. - No, I'm not [insult]” endlessly, folks will feel the levers of moderation pulled in accord with the Yahoo-groups guidelines. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rich...@rwilliams.us wrote : Well, yes, this is what subscribers are supposed to do: read the messages and post their comments. Moderators are supposed to also read all the messages and then delete the inappropriate responses. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : he has to scrutinise a lot more messages, which I would think is a thankless chore, and then make some kind of judgement call that seems fair in relation to the group's dynamics and all the other considerations. All you have to do is just follow this simple rule: 1. Keep it PG-13: Never write or say anything on the internet that you wouldn't let your kids read. It can really come back to haunt you later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? That's fine. And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. No, you are just reading that into. I did not read the same message. When you see a certain irregularity on an animal cracker, do you read some significance into that? Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO? I don't have that many thoughts per second, if you are referring to different mental streams, different subjects and emotions in those thoughts If you haven't been all roles of life and gotten really muddified, shame on you for wasting a life. Am I angry right now as I type this? NOOO! THIS IS FUN ! I'm writing! I'm putting words together just so. If I was angry, you'd not know it until the boom was lowered -- would not want to give you advanced warning...that I was just now stepping up onto your porchwith a blunt instrument.hee heesee?I just put an onerous image into your mind..writers get away with this shit. And, me?, angry at the pissants here when I have had REAL ENEMIES WHO DID MASSIVE DAMAGE TO ME IN EVERY WAY? Get real -- no one here is worth my anger. And by the way, I have never taken revenge on anyone in the real world.though I did win three lawsuits.I mostly mean punching someone in the nose -- haven't been in a fist fight since I was 13 years old. Not saying that Willy's nose wouldn't be bloodied if I was stuck in an elevator with him, but God has protected me by not putting me in said circumstances. Lucky me, eh? The real issue that I was addressing with satire is that Steve's trolling is too subtle for the likes of Doug to moderate. Doug can't nail
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From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry This evidently is progressing. As I read throughthis thread I feel you all moderating yourselves in accord with theadvice of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. I find no need now to step inhere between you all. Had it completely devolved simply to thepersonal belligerence of a spitting contest, 'you're angry vs I'm notangry' ad nauseam I should advise self-moderation and that you takeyourselves off-list and spare the community your personalizedargument. However this thread in process seems tobe resolving itself in thoughtful way around the content. Generallyif it were to continue on devolved as just a pissing contest I wouldrequest that folks take their personal argument off-line and sparethe list otherwise or else suffer having the flow of their posts asthey write to FFL be moderated, and then possibly released to thelist for general reading as I may get around to them. More succinctly, we've learned a lotabout Edg here by his writing in this thread and people seem to be self-moderatingas this goes along. If this or any other argument devolves topersonalized arguments of “You're a [..insert insulting slur]person. - No, I'm not [insult]” endlessly, folks will feel thelevers of moderation pulled in accord with the Yahoo-groupsguidelines. -JaiGuruYou
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Doug, in all seriousness, if what you say below is true, this should be the last time we hear from you on the subject of moderation, right? I mean, if no one is hurling personalized invective, there will be no one's posts to delete, and more important THERE WILL BE NOTHING FOR *YOU* TO COMMENT ON. No more 1,600+ word rants spammed to Fairfield Life every other day for months. No more posts from you that *intentionally* attempt to preach the need for moderation or that attempt to blame it on a small group of people with whom you just *happen* to disagree on most philosophical points. It looks as if your job is done. Good. And goodbye. Not to mention good riddance. We fervently hope that your quest as moderator from here on out is both successful, and SILENT, and that we never hear from you on the subject of moderation again. Ever. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry This evidently is progressing. As I read throughthis thread I feel you all moderating yourselves in accord with theadvice of the Yahoo-groups guidelines. I find no need now to step inhere between you all. Had it completely devolved simply to thepersonal belligerence of a spitting contest, 'you're angry vs I'm notangry' ad nauseam I should advise self-moderation and that you takeyourselves off-list and spare the community your personalizedargument. However this thread in process seems tobe resolving itself in thoughtful way around the content. Generallyif it were to continue on devolved as just a pissing contest I wouldrequest that folks take their personal argument off-line and sparethe list otherwise or else suffer having the flow of their posts asthey write to FFL be moderated, and then possibly released to thelist for general reading as I may get around to them. More succinctly, we've learned a lotabout Edg here by his writing in this thread and people seem to be self-moderatingas this goes along. If this or any other argument devolves topersonalized arguments of “You're a [..insert insulting slur]person. - No, I'm not [insult]” endlessly, folks will feel thelevers of moderation pulled in accord with the Yahoo-groupsguidelines. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rich...@rwilliams.us wrote : Well, yes, this is what subscribers are supposed to do: read the messages and post their comments. Moderators are supposed to also read all the messages and then delete the inappropriate responses. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : he has to scrutinise a lot more messages, which I would think is a thankless chore, and then make some kind of judgement call that seems fair in relation to the group's dynamics and all the other considerations. All you have to do is just follow this simple rule: 1. Keep it PG-13: Never write or say anything on the internet that you wouldn't let your kids read. It can really come back to haunt you later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? That's fine. And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. No, you are just reading that into. I did not read the same message. When you see a certain irregularity on an animal cracker, do you read some significance into that? Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO? I don't have that many thoughts per second, if you are referring to different mental streams, different subjects and emotions in those thoughts If you haven't been all roles of life and gotten really muddified, shame on you for wasting a life. Am I angry right now as I type this? NOOO! THIS IS FUN ! I'm
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Steve did not commit an ad hominem All he said was: 1. Doug was a moderator and not responsible for vetting all content (that would be rather difficult because Doug has to go outside and work). This is basically a factual statement. 2. He said Doug was not a therapist, which is also probably a factual statement. Then he expressed an opinion that you had personal issues with anger. This may or may not be true. But his short post was not concerned with any argument you made supporting some position, so it is not an ad hominem. Ad hominem refers to logical argumentation as was discussed in post #416814. With out supporting arguments an opinion is just that, a surmise. Based on your response, I think Steve's surmise has some merit, but that is still an opinion. Nobody knows exactly what a person's inner emotional state is, but people do make judgements based on the perceived outer behaviour of a person, gestures, what they say, how they say or write. Your response to Steve appears to be what is called a diatribe which is defined (courtesy of google.com): A forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something. synonyms: tirade, harangue, onslaught, attack, polemic, denunciation, broadside, fulmination, condemnation, censure, criticism. Now that sounds like someone who is angry, that anger directed at Steve in this case. This pretty much looks like a personal attack, whereas Steve, it seemed to me (opinion), was just making a suggestion. If any one has violated the guidelines here in this exchange, you have. I have to admit though, it is very entertaining. People to not require a Ph.D. to determine whether they think someone is angry or unbalanced, though eventually other factors may intervene for that someone, such as law enforcement officers or medical professionals working in the area of mental health. If I were to comment on 'your case', I would have the opinion you have low self esteem, that you blow up some simple comments into a vast conspiracy against your person. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Steve, You are labeling me as someone with stored up anger.to whatever degreeand for a large part of my adult life. This is an ad hominem -- in a public forum. How so? Quite simply I have not reported (here at FFL or elsewhere online) my inner emotional states throughout my life with any detail such that a, what?, couch psychiatrist?, can insinuate about my past or present or future emotional states.let alone present a logical assembly of my posts that would demonstrate to a scientific prognosticator enough information for that decider to say, Oh, yeah, that kind of mind, piss on it, that anger just clouds his judgment and it's just not worth dealing with this fuckwad. Yet this is exactly the intent of your post. You with no credentials are asserting something untrue about me. This is a foul accusation about me. I protest to Doug. Doug? There are not enough facts in evidence that I am someone with stored up anger -- which is merely code for might blow at any minute. My online history is checkered with every manner of emotionalism, because I'm a writer and give myself permission to be silly, satirical, rude, outrageous, poetic, raw, real, fake OR WHATEVER. To interpret who I am from my online posts would require a PhD jury to authenticate some candidate's findings. AS FUCKING IF. This is an outrageous smear job by any decent minded regard. And, further, the question: Does that make sense? is clearly another attempt to present the concept Edg is sooo fucking stupid, you have to treat him like child, and always double check what's going on in that little noggin' of his. It is this sort of tactic that everyone here understands for what it is: plain old trolling -- with a smirk that assumes there's denial ability to shield all protests. What? I never meant that. Why how dare you accuse me of having such a low intent. -- like that. Like fucking that. That's the tactic -- to me, it's Gestapol shit. Now, in the past, I would enter into a delightful tirade of withering statements about you, personally, that would leave stains on your soul, but DOUG IS WATCHING, so I won't. But you have violated the intent and spirit of the guidelines -- IN MY OPINION, and I call for Doug to arbitrate this issue and give us the benefit of his wisdom -- here in the public forum where the act occurred. Let's see if you have, indeed, befouled our pristine and new intent to be civil here, or if I'm mistaken and, truly, everyone thinks I'm way over the top in my interpretation of your below text. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : He's a moderator Edg, not responsible for vetting all the content that passes through here in terms of its future efficacy. Or present efficacy for
[FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
You know, Edg, in a free wheeling forum like FFL, just like in a democracy the situation will always be far from perfect. But it does rely on the majority of participants acting in manner where there is not willful intent. And just like any free wheeling environment, or democracy, things may swing from one extreme to another, but as long as the majority of participants have a spirit of goodwill things will progress and even out. I guess it sounds like I'm preaching, but I'm of the opinion that putting in a few checks or balances here can possibly restore some of the best parts of what this forum can be. But, if you are looking for perfection, I'm afraid we're going to be hearing a lot of the same kind of rant below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO? If you haven't been all roles of life and gotten really muddified, shame on you for wasting a life. Am I angry right now as I type this? NOOO! THIS IS FUN ! I'm writing! I'm putting words together just so. If I was angry, you'd not know it until the boom was lowered -- would not want to give you advanced warning...that I was just now stepping up onto your porchwith a blunt instrument.hee heesee?I just put an onerous image into your mind..writers get away with this shit. And, me?, angry at the pissants here when I have had REAL ENEMIES WHO DID MASSIVE DAMAGE TO ME IN EVERY WAY? Get real -- no one here is worth my anger. And by the way, I have never taken revenge on anyone in the real world.though I did win three lawsuits.I mostly mean punching someone in the nose -- haven't been in a fist fight since I was 13 years old. Not saying that Willy's nose wouldn't be bloodied if I was stuck in an elevator with him, but God has protected me by not putting me in said circumstances. Lucky me, eh? The real issue that I was addressing with satire is that Steve's trolling is too subtle for the likes of Doug to moderate. Doug can't nail Steve for having an evil intent, because it would require a massive trial and gathering of facts -- impossible. THAT WAS MY POINT. Doug is going to fail at moderation, because everyone would fail at it. And how much more does it take for Doug to declare someone a misfit troll out to make someone feel bad? Does it really have to be such a large deal like someone asserting a lie that amounts to legal libel before Doug will ban someone? It's obvious that there's many here who LOVE TO DIG AT SOMEONE and get them riled up, and yet, Doug has not addressed anyone's MANY sins since he took over here. See? That's proof about how hard it is to pull it off -- Doug's probably regretting this, heh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Steve did not commit an ad hominem All he said was: 1. Doug was a moderator and not responsible for vetting all content (that would be rather difficult because Doug has to go outside and work). This is basically a factual statement. 2. He said Doug was not a therapist, which is also probably a factual statement. Then he expressed an opinion that you had personal issues with anger. This may or may not be true. But his short post was not concerned with any argument you made supporting some position, so it is not an ad hominem. Ad hominem refers to logical argumentation as was discussed in post #416814. With out supporting arguments an opinion is just that, a surmise. Based on your response, I think Steve's surmise has some merit, but that is still an opinion. Nobody knows exactly what a person's inner emotional state is, but people do make judgements based on
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Obviously, some FFL informants have a need for someone to talk to. Maybe they are taking this discussion too seriously which can sometimes take the fun out of being an online informant. I mean, when you can't even call people by their real name in a public discussion, you can usually tell that they are having identity issues. LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? Sometimes when they are questioned, they get all paranoid and upset and go into denial and even lash out at strangers. If they want to stay anonymous and keep secrets they should stay off the internet and not post to chat rooms with TMO status claims. It's not complicated. P.S. I am sorry I called you a shit-heel ten years ago. Can I call you Edge? Thanks. And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO? If you haven't been all roles of life and gotten really muddified, shame on you for wasting a life. Am I angry right now as I type this? NOOO! THIS IS FUN ! I'm writing! I'm putting words together just so. If I was angry, you'd not know it until the boom was lowered -- would not want to give you advanced warning...that I was just now stepping up onto your porchwith a blunt instrument.hee heesee?I just put an onerous image into your mind..writers get away with this shit. And, me?, angry at the pissants here when I have had REAL ENEMIES WHO DID MASSIVE DAMAGE TO ME IN EVERY WAY? Get real -- no one here is worth my anger. And by the way, I have never taken revenge on anyone in the real world.though I did win three lawsuits.I mostly mean punching someone in the nose -- haven't been in a fist fight since I was 13 years old. Not saying that Willy's nose wouldn't be bloodied if I was stuck in an elevator with him, but God has protected me by not putting me in said circumstances. Lucky me, eh? The real issue that I was addressing with satire is that Steve's trolling is too subtle for the likes of Doug to moderate. Doug can't nail Steve for having an evil intent, because it would require a massive trial and gathering of facts -- impossible. THAT WAS MY POINT. Doug is going to fail at moderation, because everyone would fail at it. And how much more does it take for Doug to declare someone a misfit troll out to make someone feel bad? Does it really have to be such a large deal like someone asserting a lie that amounts to legal libel before Doug will ban someone? It's obvious that there's many here who LOVE TO DIG AT SOMEONE and get them riled up, and yet, Doug has not addressed anyone's MANY sins since he took over here. See? That's proof about how hard it is to pull it off -- Doug's probably regretting this, heh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Steve did not commit an ad hominem All he said was: 1. Doug was a moderator and not responsible for vetting all content (that would be rather difficult because Doug has to go outside and work). This is basically a factual statement. 2. He said Doug was not a therapist, which is also probably a factual statement. Then he expressed an opinion that you had personal issues with anger. This may or may not be true. But his short post was not concerned with any argument you made supporting some position, so it is not an ad hominem. Ad hominem refers to logical argumentation as was discussed in post #416814. With out supporting arguments an opinion is just that, a surmise. Based on your response, I think Steve's surmise has some merit, but that is still an opinion. Nobody knows exactly what a person's inner emotional state is, but people do make judgements based on the perceived outer behaviour of a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
Heh, I was going to tell you how much I enjoy your drive-bys. Keep 'em up. I love free spiritedness. This place needs a little shaking up as the meds make them fall asleep. On 06/15/2015 10:16 AM, Duveyoung wrote: When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO? If you haven't been all roles of life and gotten really muddified, shame on you for wasting a life. Am I angry right now as I type this? NOOO! THIS IS FUN ! I'm writing! I'm putting words together just so. If I was angry, you'd not know it until the boom was lowered -- would not want to give you advanced warning...that I was just now stepping up onto your porchwith a blunt instrument.hee heesee?I just put an onerous image into your mind..writers get away with this shit! . And, me?, angry at the pissants here when I have had REAL ENEMIES WHO DID MASSIVE DAMAGE TO ME IN EVERY WAY? Get real -- no one here is worth my anger. And by the way, I have never taken revenge on anyone in the real world.though I did win three lawsuits.I mostly mean punching someone in the nose -- haven't been in a fist fight since I was 13 years old. Not saying that Willy's nose wouldn't be bloodied if I was stuck in an elevator with him, but God has protected me by not putting me in said circumstances. Lucky me, eh? The real issue that I was addressing with satire is that Steve's trolling is too subtle for the likes of Doug to moderate. Doug can't nail Steve for having an evil intent, because it would require a massive trial and gathering of facts -- impossible. THAT WAS MY POINT. Doug is going to fail at moderation, because everyone would fail at it. And how much more does it take for Doug to declare someone a misfit troll out to make someone feel bad? Does it really have to be such a large deal like someone asserting a lie that amounts to legal libel before Doug will ban someone? It's obvious that there's many here who LOVE TO DIG AT SOMEONE and get them riled up, and yet, Doug has not addressed anyone's MANY sins since he took over here. See? That's proof about how hard it is to pull it off -- Doug's probably regretting this, heh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Steve did not commit an ad hominem All he said was: 1. Doug was a moderator and not responsible for vetting all content (that would be rather difficult because Doug has to go outside and work). This is basically a factual statement. 2. He said Doug was not a therapist, which is also probably a factual statement. Then he expressed an opinion that you had personal issues with anger. This may or may not be true. But his short post was not concerned with any argument you made supporting some position, so it is not an ad hominem. Ad hominem refers to logical argumentation as was discussed in post #416814. With out supporting arguments an opinion is just that, a surmise. Based on your response, I think Steve's surmise has some merit, but that is still an opinion. Nobody knows exactly what a person's inner emotional state is, but people do make judgements based on the perceived outer behaviour of a person, gestures, what they say, how they say or write. Your response to Steve appears to be what is called a diatribe which is defined (courtesy of google.com): A forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something. synonyms: tirade, harangue, onslaught, attack, polemic, denunciation, broadside, fulmination, condemnation, censure, criticism. Now that sounds like someone who is angry, that anger directed at Steve in this case. This pretty much looks like a personal attack, whereas Steve, it seemed to me (opinion), was just making a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
You are incorrect what Edge posted was a satire. The use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Steve did not commit an ad hominem All he said was: 1. Doug was a moderator and not responsible for vetting all content (that would be rather difficult because Doug has to go outside and work). This is basically a factual statement. 2. He said Doug was not a therapist, which is also probably a factual statement. Then he expressed an opinion that you had personal issues with anger. This may or may not be true. But his short post was not concerned with any argument you made supporting some position, so it is not an ad hominem. Ad hominem refers to logical argumentation as was discussed in post #416814. With out supporting arguments an opinion is just that, a surmise. Based on your response, I think Steve's surmise has some merit, but that is still an opinion. Nobody knows exactly what a person's inner emotional state is, but people do make judgements based on the perceived outer behaviour of a person, gestures, what they say, how they say or write. Your response to Steve appears to be what is called a diatribe which is defined (courtesy of google.com): A forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something. synonyms: tirade, harangue, onslaught, attack, polemic, denunciation, broadside, fulmination, condemnation, censure, criticism. Now that sounds like someone who is angry, that anger directed at Steve in this case. This pretty much looks like a personal attack, whereas Steve, it seemed to me (opinion), was just making a suggestion. If any one has violated the guidelines here in this exchange, you have. I have to admit though, it is very entertaining. People to not require a Ph.D. to determine whether they think someone is angry or unbalanced, though eventually other factors may intervene for that someone, such as law enforcement officers or medical professionals working in the area of mental health. If I were to comment on 'your case', I would have the opinion you have low self esteem, that you blow up some simple comments into a vast conspiracy against your person. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Steve, You are labeling me as someone with stored up anger.to whatever degreeand for a large part of my adult life. This is an ad hominem -- in a public forum. How so? Quite simply I have not reported (here at FFL or elsewhere online) my inner emotional states throughout my life with any detail such that a, what?, couch psychiatrist?, can insinuate about my past or present or future emotional states.let alone present a logical assembly of my posts that would demonstrate to a scientific prognosticator enough information for that decider to say, Oh, yeah, that kind of mind, piss on it, that anger just clouds his judgment and it's just not worth dealing with this fuckwad. Yet this is exactly the intent of your post. You with no credentials are asserting something untrue about me. This is a foul accusation about me. I protest to Doug. Doug? There are not enough facts in evidence that I am someone with stored up anger -- which is merely code for might blow at any minute. My online history is checkered with every manner of emotionalism, because I'm a writer and give myself permission to be silly, satirical, rude, outrageous, poetic, raw, real, fake OR WHATEVER. To interpret who I am from my online posts would require a PhD jury to authenticate some candidate's findings. AS FUCKING IF. This is an outrageous smear job by any decent minded regard. And, further, the question: Does that make sense? is clearly another attempt to present the concept Edg is sooo fucking stupid, you have to treat him like child, and always double check what's going on in that little noggin' of his. It is this sort of tactic that everyone here understands for what it is: plain old trolling -- with a smirk that assumes there's denial ability to shield all protests. What? I never meant that. Why how dare you accuse me of having such a low intent. -- like that. Like fucking that. That's the tactic -- to me, it's Gestapol shit. Now, in the past, I would enter into a delightful tirade of withering statements about you, personally, that would leave stains on your soul, but DOUG IS WATCHING, so I won't. But you have violated the intent and spirit of the guidelines -- IN MY OPINION, and I call for Doug to arbitrate this issue and give us the benefit of his wisdom -- here in the public forum where the act occurred. Let's see if you have, indeed, befouled our pristine and new intent to be civil here, or if I'm mistaken and, truly,
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When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO? If you haven't been all roles of life and gotten really muddified, shame on you for wasting a life. Am I angry right now as I type this? NOOO! THIS IS FUN ! I'm writing! I'm putting words together just so. If I was angry, you'd not know it until the boom was lowered -- would not want to give you advanced warning...that I was just now stepping up onto your porchwith a blunt instrument.hee heesee?I just put an onerous image into your mind..writers get away with this shit. And, me?, angry at the pissants here when I have had REAL ENEMIES WHO DID MASSIVE DAMAGE TO ME IN EVERY WAY? Get real -- no one here is worth my anger. And by the way, I have never taken revenge on anyone in the real world.though I did win three lawsuits.I mostly mean punching someone in the nose -- haven't been in a fist fight since I was 13 years old. Not saying that Willy's nose wouldn't be bloodied if I was stuck in an elevator with him, but God has protected me by not putting me in said circumstances. Lucky me, eh? The real issue that I was addressing with satire is that Steve's trolling is too subtle for the likes of Doug to moderate. Doug can't nail Steve for having an evil intent, because it would require a massive trial and gathering of facts -- impossible. THAT WAS MY POINT. Doug is going to fail at moderation, because everyone would fail at it. And how much more does it take for Doug to declare someone a misfit troll out to make someone feel bad? Does it really have to be such a large deal like someone asserting a lie that amounts to legal libel before Doug will ban someone? It's obvious that there's many here who LOVE TO DIG AT SOMEONE and get them riled up, and yet, Doug has not addressed anyone's MANY sins since he took over here. See? That's proof about how hard it is to pull it off -- Doug's probably regretting this, heh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Steve did not commit an ad hominem All he said was: 1. Doug was a moderator and not responsible for vetting all content (that would be rather difficult because Doug has to go outside and work). This is basically a factual statement. 2. He said Doug was not a therapist, which is also probably a factual statement. Then he expressed an opinion that you had personal issues with anger. This may or may not be true. But his short post was not concerned with any argument you made supporting some position, so it is not an ad hominem. Ad hominem refers to logical argumentation as was discussed in post #416814. With out supporting arguments an opinion is just that, a surmise. Based on your response, I think Steve's surmise has some merit, but that is still an opinion. Nobody knows exactly what a person's inner emotional state is, but people do make judgements based on the perceived outer behaviour of a person, gestures, what they say, how they say or write. Your response to Steve appears to be what is called a diatribe which is defined (courtesy of google.com): A forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something. synonyms: tirade, harangue, onslaught, attack, polemic, denunciation, broadside, fulmination, condemnation, censure, criticism. Now that sounds like someone who is angry, that anger directed at Steve in this case. This pretty much looks like a personal attack, whereas Steve, it seemed to me (opinion), was just making a suggestion. If any one has violated the guidelines here in this exchange, you have. I have to admit though, it is very entertaining. People to not require a Ph.D. to determine whether they think someone is angry or
[FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
There is hope for FFL! Nice reply, Doug, and in the spirit of exactly what was intended! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Steve did not commit an ad hominem All he said was: 1. Doug was a moderator and not responsible for vetting all content (that would be rather difficult because Doug has to go outside and work). This is basically a factual statement. 2. He said Doug was not a therapist, which is also probably a factual statement. Then he expressed an opinion that you had personal issues with anger. This may or may not be true. But his short post was not concerned with any argument you made supporting some position, so it is not an ad hominem. Ad hominem refers to logical argumentation as was discussed in post #416814. With out supporting arguments an opinion is just that, a surmise. Based on your response, I think Steve's surmise has some merit, but that is still an opinion. Nobody knows exactly what a person's inner emotional state is, but people do make judgements based on the perceived outer behaviour of a person, gestures, what they say, how they say or write. Your response to Steve appears to be what is called a diatribe which is defined (courtesy of google.com): A forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something. synonyms: tirade, harangue, onslaught, attack, polemic, denunciation, broadside, fulmination, condemnation, censure, criticism. Now that sounds like someone who is angry, that anger directed at Steve in this case. This pretty much looks like a personal attack, whereas Steve, it seemed to me (opinion), was just making a suggestion. If any one has violated the guidelines here in this exchange, you have. I have to admit though, it is very entertaining. People to not require a Ph.D. to determine whether they think someone is angry or unbalanced, though eventually other factors may intervene for that someone, such as law enforcement officers or medical professionals working in the area of mental health. If I were to comment on 'your case', I would have the opinion you have low self esteem, that you blow up some simple comments into a vast conspiracy against your person. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Steve, You are labeling me as someone with stored up anger.to whatever degreeand for a large part of my adult life. This is an ad hominem -- in a public forum. How so? Quite simply I have not reported (here at FFL or elsewhere online) my inner emotional states throughout my life with any detail such that a, what?, couch psychiatrist?, can insinuate about my past or present or future emotional states.let alone present a logical assembly of my posts that would demonstrate to a scientific prognosticator enough information for that decider to say, Oh, yeah, that kind of mind, piss on it, that anger just clouds his judgment and it's just not worth dealing with this fuckwad. Yet this is exactly the intent of your post. You with no credentials are asserting something untrue about me. This is a foul accusation about me. I protest to Doug. Doug? There are not enough facts in evidence that I am someone with stored up anger -- which is merely code for might blow at any minute. My online history is checkered with every manner of emotionalism, because I'm a writer and give myself permission to be silly, satirical, rude, outrageous, poetic, raw, real, fake OR WHATEVER. To interpret who I am from my online posts would require a PhD jury to authenticate some candidate's findings. AS FUCKING IF. This is an outrageous smear job by any decent minded regard. And, further, the question: Does that make sense? is clearly another attempt to present the concept Edg is sooo fucking stupid, you have to treat him like child, and always double check what's going on in that little noggin' of his. It is this sort of tactic that everyone here understands for what it is: plain old trolling -- with a smirk that assumes there's denial ability to shield all protests. What? I never meant that. Why how dare you accuse me of having such a low intent. -- like that. Like fucking that. That's the tactic -- to me, it's Gestapol shit. Now, in the past, I would enter into a delightful tirade of withering statements about you, personally, that would leave stains on your soul, but DOUG IS WATCHING, so I won't. But you have violated the intent and spirit of the guidelines -- IN MY OPINION, and I call for Doug to arbitrate this issue and give us the benefit of his wisdom -- here in the public forum where the act occurred. Let's see if you have, indeed, befouled our pristine and new intent to be civil here, or if I'm mistaken and, truly, everyone thinks I'm way over the top in my interpretation of your below text. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote
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Help! Somebody call in the thought police before Edge bloodies my nose in an elevator. Gawd! ---In FairfieldLife@, mjackson74@... wrote : Always love reading posts by Duveyoung. And I hope the three lawsuits you won were agin the TMO!! Ha ha! (Or at least some stuck up gov'nors) From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 1:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO? If you haven't been all roles of life and gotten really muddified, shame on you for wasting a life. Am I angry right now as I type this? NOOO! THIS IS FUN ! I'm writing! I'm putting words together just so. If I was angry, you'd not know it until the boom was lowered -- would not want to give you advanced warning...that I was just now stepping up onto your porchwith a blunt instrument.hee heesee?I just put an onerous image into your mind..writers get away with this shit. And, me?, angry at the pissants here when I have had REAL ENEMIES WHO DID MASSIVE DAMAGE TO ME IN EVERY WAY? Get real -- no one here is worth my anger. And by the way, I have never taken revenge on anyone in the real world.though I did win three lawsuits.I mostly mean punching someone in the nose -- haven't been in a fist fight since I was 13 years old. Not saying that Willy's nose wouldn't be bloodied if I was stuck in an elevator with him, but God has protected me by not putting me in said circumstances. Lucky me, eh? The real issue that I was addressing with satire is that Steve's trolling is too subtle for the likes of Doug to moderate. Doug can't nail Steve for having an evil intent, because it would require a massive trial and gathering of facts -- impossible. THAT WAS MY POINT. Doug is going to fail at moderation, because everyone would fail at it. And how much more does it take for Doug to declare someone a misfit troll out to make someone feel bad? Does it really have to be such a large deal like someone asserting a lie that amounts to legal libel before Doug will ban someone? It's obvious that there's many here who LOVE TO DIG AT SOMEONE and get them riled up, and yet, Doug has not addressed anyone's MANY sins since he took over here. See? That's proof about how hard it is to pull it off -- Doug's probably regretting this, heh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Steve did not commit an ad hominem All he said was: 1. Doug was a moderator and not responsible for vetting all content (that would be rather difficult because Doug has to go outside and work). This is basically a factual statement. 2. He said Doug was not a therapist, which is also probably a factual statement. Then he expressed an opinion that you had personal issues with anger. This may or may not be true. But his short post was not concerned with any argument you made supporting some position, so it is not an ad hominem. Ad hominem refers to logical argumentation as was discussed in post #416814. With out supporting arguments an opinion is just that, a surmise. Based on your response, I think Steve's surmise has some merit, but that is still an opinion. Nobody knows exactly what a person's inner emotional state is, but people do make judgements based on the perceived outer behaviour of a person, gestures, what they say, how they say or write. Your response to Steve appears to be what is called a diatribe which is defined (courtesy of google.com): A forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something. synonyms: tirade, harangue, onslaught, attack, polemic, denunciation
[FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
So, why didn't you show up at the X-Games with your trike? We were there, waiting. LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Not saying that Willy's nose wouldn't be bloodied if I was stuck in an elevator with him, but God has protected me by not putting me in said circumstances. Lucky me, eh? When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO? If you haven't been all roles of life and gotten really muddified, shame on you for wasting a life. Am I angry right now as I type this? NOOO! THIS IS FUN ! I'm writing! I'm putting words together just so. If I was angry, you'd not know it until the boom was lowered -- would not want to give you advanced warning...that I was just now stepping up onto your porchwith a blunt instrument.hee heesee?I just put an onerous image into your mind..writers get away with this shit. And, me?, angry at the pissants here when I have had REAL ENEMIES WHO DID MASSIVE DAMAGE TO ME IN EVERY WAY? Get real -- no one here is worth my anger. And by the way, I have never taken revenge on anyone in the real world.though I did win three lawsuits.I mostly mean punching someone in the nose -- haven't been in a fist fight since I was 13 years old. Not saying that Willy's nose wouldn't be bloodied if I was stuck in an elevator with him, but God has protected me by not putting me in said circumstances. Lucky me, eh? The real issue that I was addressing with satire is that Steve's trolling is too subtle for the likes of Doug to moderate. Doug can't nail Steve for having an evil intent, because it would require a massive trial and gathering of facts -- impossible. THAT WAS MY POINT. Doug is going to fail at moderation, because everyone would fail at it. And how much more does it take for Doug to declare someone a misfit troll out to make someone feel bad? Does it really have to be such a large deal like someone asserting a lie that amounts to legal libel before Doug will ban someone? It's obvious that there's many here who LOVE TO DIG AT SOMEONE and get them riled up, and yet, Doug has not addressed anyone's MANY sins since he took over here. See? That's proof about how hard it is to pull it off -- Doug's probably regretting this, heh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Steve did not commit an ad hominem All he said was: 1. Doug was a moderator and not responsible for vetting all content (that would be rather difficult because Doug has to go outside and work). This is basically a factual statement. 2. He said Doug was not a therapist, which is also probably a factual statement. Then he expressed an opinion that you had personal issues with anger. This may or may not be true. But his short post was not concerned with any argument you made supporting some position, so it is not an ad hominem. Ad hominem refers to logical argumentation as was discussed in post #416814. With out supporting arguments an opinion is just that, a surmise. Based on your response, I think Steve's surmise has some merit, but that is still an opinion. Nobody knows exactly what a person's inner emotional state is, but people do make judgements based on the perceived outer behaviour of a person, gestures, what they say, how they say or write. Your response to Steve appears to be what is called a diatribe which is defined (courtesy of google.com): A forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something. synonyms: tirade, harangue, onslaught, attack, polemic, denunciation, broadside, fulmination, condemnation, censure, criticism. Now that sounds like someone who is angry, that anger directed at Steve in
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
Always love reading posts by Duveyoung. And I hope the three lawsuits you won were agin the TMO!! Ha ha! (Or at least some stuck up gov'nors) From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 1:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO? If you haven't been all roles of life and gotten really muddified, shame on you for wasting a life. Am I angry right now as I type this? NOOO! THIS IS FUN ! I'm writing! I'm putting words together just so. If I was angry, you'd not know it until the boom was lowered -- would not want to give you advanced warning...that I was just now stepping up onto your porchwith a blunt instrument.hee heesee?I just put an onerous image into your mind..writers get away with this shit. And, me?, angry at the pissants here when I have had REAL ENEMIES WHO DID MASSIVE DAMAGE TO ME IN EVERY WAY? Get real -- no one here is worth my anger. And by the way, I have never taken revenge on anyone in the real world.though I did win three lawsuits.I mostly mean punching someone in the nose -- haven't been in a fist fight since I was 13 years old. Not saying that Willy's nose wouldn't be bloodied if I was stuck in an elevator with him, but God has protected me by not putting me in said circumstances. Lucky me, eh? The real issue that I was addressing with satire is that Steve's trolling is too subtle for the likes of Doug to moderate. Doug can't nail Steve for having an evil intent, because it would require a massive trial and gathering of facts -- impossible. THAT WAS MY POINT. Doug is going to fail at moderation, because everyone would fail at it. And how much more does it take for Doug to declare someone a misfit troll out to make someone feel bad? Does it really have to be such a large deal like someone asserting a lie that amounts to legal libel before Doug will ban someone? It's obvious that there's many here who LOVE TO DIG AT SOMEONE and get them riled up, and yet, Doug has not addressed anyone's MANY sins since he took over here. See? That's proof about how hard it is to pull it off -- Doug's probably regretting this, heh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Steve did not commit an ad hominem All he said was: 1. Doug was a moderator and not responsible for vetting all content (that would be rather difficult because Doug has to go outside and work). This is basically a factual statement. 2. He said Doug was not a therapist, which is also probably a factual statement. Then he expressed an opinion that you had personal issues with anger. This may or may not be true. But his short post was not concerned with any argument you made supporting some position, so it is not an ad hominem. Ad hominem refers to logical argumentation as was discussed in post #416814. With out supporting arguments an opinion is just that, a surmise. Based on your response, I think Steve's surmise has some merit, but that is still an opinion. Nobody knows exactly what a person's inner emotional state is, but people do make judgements based on the perceived outer behaviour of a person, gestures, what they say, how they say or write. Your response to Steve appears to be what is called a diatribe which is defined (courtesy of google.com): A forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something. synonyms: tirade, harangue, onslaught, attack, polemic, denunciation, broadside, fulmination, condemnation, censure, criticism. Now that sounds like someone who is angry, that anger directed at Steve in this case. This pretty much
[FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? That's fine. And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. No, you are just reading that into. I did not read the same message. When you see a certain irregularity on an animal cracker, do you read some significance into that? Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO? I don't have that many thoughts per second, if you are referring to different mental streams, different subjects and emotions in those thoughts If you haven't been all roles of life and gotten really muddified, shame on you for wasting a life. Am I angry right now as I type this? NOOO! THIS IS FUN ! I'm writing! I'm putting words together just so. If I was angry, you'd not know it until the boom was lowered -- would not want to give you advanced warning...that I was just now stepping up onto your porchwith a blunt instrument.hee heesee?I just put an onerous image into your mind..writers get away with this shit. And, me?, angry at the pissants here when I have had REAL ENEMIES WHO DID MASSIVE DAMAGE TO ME IN EVERY WAY? Get real -- no one here is worth my anger. And by the way, I have never taken revenge on anyone in the real world.though I did win three lawsuits.I mostly mean punching someone in the nose -- haven't been in a fist fight since I was 13 years old. Not saying that Willy's nose wouldn't be bloodied if I was stuck in an elevator with him, but God has protected me by not putting me in said circumstances. Lucky me, eh? The real issue that I was addressing with satire is that Steve's trolling is too subtle for the likes of Doug to moderate. Doug can't nail Steve for having an evil intent, because it would require a massive trial and gathering of facts -- impossible. THAT WAS MY POINT. Doug is going to fail at moderation, because everyone would fail at it. Your writing style, like that of Ravi some years ago seems to give the impression to others that you are not quite right mentally. And how much more does it take for Doug to declare someone a misfit troll out to make someone feel bad? I would say your previous post might trigger some action, based on a rather literal reading of Yahoo guidelines. Does it really have to be such a large deal like someone asserting a lie that amounts to legal libel before Doug will ban someone? Doug may be feeling compassion. Perhaps he thinks you should be hospitalised. It's obvious that there's many here who LOVE TO DIG AT SOMEONE and get them riled up, and yet, Doug has not addressed anyone's MANY sins since he took over here. See? That's proof about how hard it is to pull it off -- Doug's probably regretting this, heh. I think, based on what Doug posted recently, is he is trying to get the feel of what is going on. I am not sure how many of everyone's messages he read before, but now he has to scrutinise a lot more messages, which I would think is a thankless chore, and then make some kind of judgement call that seems fair in relation to the group's dynamics and all the other considerations. It's a new job for him and he has a number of people here not liking the idea he a moderator, thinking he will be too strict and narrow minded, and on the other side there is Rick, who could yank the moderator job away from him if he gets too enthusiastic about the job, and there are those who do favour moderation with a firm hand, but those could just go over to The Peak and see what happens. So after reading the above, we should not take anything you say as being representative of anything you actually think, or of reality in general? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Steve did not commit an ad hominem
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
I don't know about anyone else, but I'd be quite amused if the first person who bites the dust on the New, Moderated Fairfield Life does so for violating unwritten rule #407.1 - Unrepentent Abuse of a Drama Queen. :-) From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 7:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry Steve, You are labeling me as someone with stored up anger.to whatever degreeand for a large part of my adult life. This is an ad hominem -- in a public forum. How so? Quite simply I have not reported (here at FFL or elsewhere online) my inner emotional states throughout my life with any detail such that a, what?, couch psychiatrist?, can insinuate about my past or present or future emotional states.let alone present a logical assembly of my posts that would demonstrate to a scientific prognosticator enough information for that decider to say, Oh, yeah, that kind of mind, piss on it, that anger just clouds his judgment and it's just not worth dealing with this fuckwad. Yet this is exactly the intent of your post. You with no credentials are asserting something untrue about me. This is a foul accusation about me. I protest to Doug. Doug? There are not enough facts in evidence that I am someone with stored up anger -- which is merely code for might blow at any minute. My online history is checkered with every manner of emotionalism, because I'm a writer and give myself permission to be silly, satirical, rude, outrageous, poetic, raw, real, fake OR WHATEVER. To interpret who I am from my online posts would require a PhD jury to authenticate some candidate's findings. AS FUCKING IF. This is an outrageous smear job by any decent minded regard. And, further, the question: Does that make sense? is clearly another attempt to present the concept Edg is sooo fucking stupid, you have to treat him like child, and always double check what's going on in that little noggin' of his. It is this sort of tactic that everyone here understands for what it is: plain old trolling -- with a smirk that assumes there's denial ability to shield all protests. What? I never meant that. Why how dare you accuse me of having such a low intent. -- like that. Like fucking that. That's the tactic -- to me, it's Gestapol shit. Now, in the past, I would enter into a delightful tirade of withering statements about you, personally, that would leave stains on your soul, but DOUG IS WATCHING, so I won't. But you have violated the intent and spirit of the guidelines -- IN MY OPINION, and I call for Doug to arbitrate this issue and give us the benefit of his wisdom -- here in the public forum where the act occurred. Let's see if you have, indeed, befouled our pristine and new intent to be civil here, or if I'm mistaken and, truly, everyone thinks I'm way over the top in my interpretation of your below text. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : He's a moderator Edg, not responsible for vetting all the content that passes through here in terms of its future efficacy. Or present efficacy for that matter. Nor is he a therapist to help you process whatever anger you have stored up from what appears to be a large part of your adult life participating in this movement. Does that make sense? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So, Doug, are you personally vouching for this guy? You're sure he's not like, say, Harold Bloomfield? Or Herbert Benson? Or, any of the various experts that have come into the movement spotlight and were never to be heard from again? There's lots and lots of ex-TM-heroes that are now scandalous zeroes, correct? So what makes us trust this guy if credentials and charisma are so easily faked that the TM Movment has repeatedly been fooled into honoring individuals who then went on TO DISGRACE -- EVEN INCLUDING PRISON FOR HEINOUS CRIMES? The TM Movement is DICTATORIALLY MUM about Girish's legal troubles in India, and about all the past heroes now in ruins. How is it, then, that you DARE TO RISK YOUR PRECIOUS INTEGRITY by putting your imprimatur upon him? Have you not yourself been FOOLED into honoring the above mentioned zeroes and many others? How has your ability to pick a hero improved? How can we believe you with such a track record -- even including ongoing crimes that are being hushed up and NOT mentioned by you as you have mentioned this announcement? Where is your fair and balanced integrity as a reporter if you are not investigating what you bring to us? Seems to me that you need to shore up this ADVERTISEMENT with a personal testimony that shows the depth of your scholarship in putting forth this doctor as if he should be saluted. And if you're merely passing along some MUM promotional announcement, don't you think
[FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
Well, yes, this is what subscribers are supposed to do: read the messages and post their comments. Moderators are supposed to also read all the messages and then delete the inappropriate responses. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : he has to scrutinise a lot more messages, which I would think is a thankless chore, and then make some kind of judgement call that seems fair in relation to the group's dynamics and all the other considerations. All you have to do is just follow this simple rule: 1. Keep it PG-13: Never write or say anything on the internet that you wouldn't let your kids read. It can really come back to haunt you later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When is someone going to get that I'm fucking having funzies here with my creativity that often features the anger tone? Geeeze. If I'm vociferous, so the fuck what? That's fine. And it was an ad hominem, because the issue was Is Edg a quality thinker? -- unexpressed, yes, but, no, IT WAS EXPRESSED. And to deny this when everyone here knows that Steve was trying to elbow my ribs is ANOTHER ACT OF AGGRESSION AGAINST ME. No, you are just reading that into. I did not read the same message. When you see a certain irregularity on an animal cracker, do you read some significance into that? Hee hee, fucking hee..I loves me da capital letters. Can I get angry in a nanosecond? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Can I have love flowing instantly? OF FUCKING COURSE I CAN. Can't you? Have I lived a mostly normal life? OF FUCKING COURSE I DID. Didn't you? I have been every kind of person -- shitheel, joker, leader, teacher, priest, lover, devotee, businessman, sportsman, psychologist, father, son, brother, husband, uncle, cousin, loser, winner. Got me tons of success and tons of failure. OF COURSE I HAVE HAD EVERY EMOTION A THOUSAND TIMES AND CAN RECALL OR RE-INSTITUTE THOSE WORKINGS OF MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. I'm having five thoughts per second -- I can cherry pick any emotion I want and by attending it, amplifying it into a full flown mental event with tons of processing. CAN'T YOU? Or rather, DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU DO THIS TOO? I don't have that many thoughts per second, if you are referring to different mental streams, different subjects and emotions in those thoughts If you haven't been all roles of life and gotten really muddified, shame on you for wasting a life. Am I angry right now as I type this? NOOO! THIS IS FUN ! I'm writing! I'm putting words together just so. If I was angry, you'd not know it until the boom was lowered -- would not want to give you advanced warning...that I was just now stepping up onto your porchwith a blunt instrument.hee heesee?I just put an onerous image into your mind..writers get away with this shit. And, me?, angry at the pissants here when I have had REAL ENEMIES WHO DID MASSIVE DAMAGE TO ME IN EVERY WAY? Get real -- no one here is worth my anger. And by the way, I have never taken revenge on anyone in the real world.though I did win three lawsuits.I mostly mean punching someone in the nose -- haven't been in a fist fight since I was 13 years old. Not saying that Willy's nose wouldn't be bloodied if I was stuck in an elevator with him, but God has protected me by not putting me in said circumstances. Lucky me, eh? The real issue that I was addressing with satire is that Steve's trolling is too subtle for the likes of Doug to moderate. Doug can't nail Steve for having an evil intent, because it would require a massive trial and gathering of facts -- impossible. THAT WAS MY POINT. Doug is going to fail at moderation, because everyone would fail at it. Your writing style, like that of Ravi some years ago seems to give the impression to others that you are not quite right mentally. And how much more does it take for Doug to declare someone a misfit troll out to make someone feel bad? I would say your previous post might trigger some action, based on a rather literal reading of Yahoo guidelines. Does it really have to be such a large deal like someone asserting a lie that amounts to legal libel before Doug will ban someone? Doug may be feeling compassion. Perhaps he thinks you should be hospitalised. It's obvious that there's many here who LOVE TO DIG AT SOMEONE and get them riled up, and yet, Doug has not addressed anyone's MANY sins since he took over here. See? That's proof about how hard it is to pull it off -- Doug's probably regretting this, heh. I think, based on what Doug posted recently, is he is trying to get the feel of what is going on. I am not sure how many of everyone's messages he read before, but now he has to scrutinise a lot more messages, which I would think is a thankless chore, and then make some kind of judgement call that seems fair in relation to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
Steve, You are labeling me as someone with stored up anger.to whatever degreeand for a large part of my adult life. This is an ad hominem -- in a public forum. How so? Quite simply I have not reported (here at FFL or elsewhere online) my inner emotional states throughout my life with any detail such that a, what?, couch psychiatrist?, can insinuate about my past or present or future emotional states.let alone present a logical assembly of my posts that would demonstrate to a scientific prognosticator enough information for that decider to say, Oh, yeah, that kind of mind, piss on it, that anger just clouds his judgment and it's just not worth dealing with this fuckwad. Yet this is exactly the intent of your post. You with no credentials are asserting something untrue about me. This is a foul accusation about me. I protest to Doug. Doug? There are not enough facts in evidence that I am someone with stored up anger -- which is merely code for might blow at any minute. My online history is checkered with every manner of emotionalism, because I'm a writer and give myself permission to be silly, satirical, rude, outrageous, poetic, raw, real, fake OR WHATEVER. To interpret who I am from my online posts would require a PhD jury to authenticate some candidate's findings. AS FUCKING IF. This is an outrageous smear job by any decent minded regard. And, further, the question: Does that make sense? is clearly another attempt to present the concept Edg is sooo fucking stupid, you have to treat him like child, and always double check what's going on in that little noggin' of his. It is this sort of tactic that everyone here understands for what it is: plain old trolling -- with a smirk that assumes there's denial ability to shield all protests. What? I never meant that. Why how dare you accuse me of having such a low intent. -- like that. Like fucking that. That's the tactic -- to me, it's Gestapol shit. Now, in the past, I would enter into a delightful tirade of withering statements about you, personally, that would leave stains on your soul, but DOUG IS WATCHING, so I won't. But you have violated the intent and spirit of the guidelines -- IN MY OPINION, and I call for Doug to arbitrate this issue and give us the benefit of his wisdom -- here in the public forum where the act occurred. Let's see if you have, indeed, befouled our pristine and new intent to be civil here, or if I'm mistaken and, truly, everyone thinks I'm way over the top in my interpretation of your below text. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : He's a moderator Edg, not responsible for vetting all the content that passes through here in terms of its future efficacy. Or present efficacy for that matter. Nor is he a therapist to help you process whatever anger you have stored up from what appears to be a large part of your adult life participating in this movement. Does that make sense? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So, Doug, are you personally vouching for this guy? You're sure he's not like, say, Harold Bloomfield? Or Herbert Benson? Or, any of the various experts that have come into the movement spotlight and were never to be heard from again? There's lots and lots of ex-TM-heroes that are now scandalous zeroes, correct? So what makes us trust this guy if credentials and charisma are so easily faked that the TM Movment has repeatedly been fooled into honoring individuals who then went on TO DISGRACE -- EVEN INCLUDING PRISON FOR HEINOUS CRIMES? The TM Movement is DICTATORIALLY MUM about Girish's legal troubles in India, and about all the past heroes now in ruins. How is it, then, that you DARE TO RISK YOUR PRECIOUS INTEGRITY by putting your imprimatur upon him? Have you not yourself been FOOLED into honoring the above mentioned zeroes and many others? How has your ability to pick a hero improved? How can we believe you with such a track record -- even including ongoing crimes that are being hushed up and NOT mentioned by you as you have mentioned this announcement? Where is your fair and balanced integrity as a reporter if you are not investigating what you bring to us? Seems to me that you need to shore up this ADVERTISEMENT with a personal testimony that shows the depth of your scholarship in putting forth this doctor as if he should be saluted. And if you're merely passing along some MUM promotional announcement, don't you think you're BOTHERING JUST ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE HERE WITH SUCH AN OFFENSIVE OFFERING THAT HAS NO BASIS IN RESEARCHED FACTS THAT HAVE BEEN ELSEWHERE DUPLICATED BY NON-MOVEMENT SCIENTISTS? Are you not, Sir, I ask you directly, trolling MOST of the minds here? What say you? What is your true intent to do this to us when we have so vociferously and for A DECADE shown that we have only a wicked disdain
[FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
So, Doug, are you personally vouching for this guy? You're sure he's not like, say, Harold Bloomfield? Or Herbert Benson? Or, any of the various experts that have come into the movement spotlight and were never to be heard from again? There's lots and lots of ex-TM-heroes that are now scandalous zeroes, correct? So what makes us trust this guy if credentials and charisma are so easily faked that the TM Movment has repeatedly been fooled into honoring individuals who then went on TO DISGRACE -- EVEN INCLUDING PRISON FOR HEINOUS CRIMES? The TM Movement is DICTATORIALLY MUM about Girish's legal troubles in India, and about all the past heroes now in ruins. How is it, then, that you DARE TO RISK YOUR PRECIOUS INTEGRITY by putting your imprimatur upon him? Have you not yourself been FOOLED into honoring the above mentioned zeroes and many others? How has your ability to pick a hero improved? How can we believe you with such a track record -- even including ongoing crimes that are being hushed up and NOT mentioned by you as you have mentioned this announcement? Where is your fair and balanced integrity as a reporter if you are not investigating what you bring to us? Seems to me that you need to shore up this ADVERTISEMENT with a personal testimony that shows the depth of your scholarship in putting forth this doctor as if he should be saluted. And if you're merely passing along some MUM promotional announcement, don't you think you're BOTHERING JUST ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE HERE WITH SUCH AN OFFENSIVE OFFERING THAT HAS NO BASIS IN RESEARCHED FACTS THAT HAVE BEEN ELSEWHERE DUPLICATED BY NON-MOVEMENT SCIENTISTS? Are you not, Sir, I ask you directly, trolling MOST of the minds here? What say you? What is your true intent to do this to us when we have so vociferously and for A DECADE shown that we have only a wicked disdain for this kind of information? Pony up, Dude. Be real. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Om by the way, I went to the lecture and it was really a fine and fair synthesis of material. When you step back the lecture is a charting to what evidently is coming as the future fusion of allopathic and wholistic medicine anyway. Trained as a Medical Doctor, a career-long research scientist with a long list of active funded research, a long record of published work, and a senior faculty member of MUM he is quite well qualified enough to lecture on topics of the health of the mind and body, which synthesized becomes psychiatry as the mind relates to cardiology, the heart. The implications are cross-discipline great. “One’s state of mental health is as important a risk factor for heart disease as high blood pressure, cholesterol, and diabetes,” said Dr. Schneider, dean of the Maharishi College of Perfect Health. Lecture on 'Vedic Psychiatry'.. 416339Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF Mental Health Alliance: Shifting Cultural Attitudes https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/416339 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/416339 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : MJ, FFL being categorized with Yahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope that people could come in here and express their own spiritual experience without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You seem to have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'. Would pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status here better provide safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFL with their experiences? For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or someone from his office come on here and express their feelings in conversation here, without threat of abuse. Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL as a vehicle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted my spiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.as has been done to every single person who has come here to report suchlike. I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result? From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I'm thinking over here that having had an experience does not validate as necessarily true the thoughts that arise afterwards. We see most folks here thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant with the ultimate reality of their recent experience. To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about
[FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
He's a moderator Edg, not responsible for vetting all the content that passes through here in terms of its future efficacy. Or present efficacy for that matter. Nor is he a therapist to help you process whatever anger you have stored up from what appears to be a large part of your adult life participating in this movement. Does that make sense? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So, Doug, are you personally vouching for this guy? You're sure he's not like, say, Harold Bloomfield? Or Herbert Benson? Or, any of the various experts that have come into the movement spotlight and were never to be heard from again? There's lots and lots of ex-TM-heroes that are now scandalous zeroes, correct? So what makes us trust this guy if credentials and charisma are so easily faked that the TM Movment has repeatedly been fooled into honoring individuals who then went on TO DISGRACE -- EVEN INCLUDING PRISON FOR HEINOUS CRIMES? The TM Movement is DICTATORIALLY MUM about Girish's legal troubles in India, and about all the past heroes now in ruins. How is it, then, that you DARE TO RISK YOUR PRECIOUS INTEGRITY by putting your imprimatur upon him? Have you not yourself been FOOLED into honoring the above mentioned zeroes and many others? How has your ability to pick a hero improved? How can we believe you with such a track record -- even including ongoing crimes that are being hushed up and NOT mentioned by you as you have mentioned this announcement? Where is your fair and balanced integrity as a reporter if you are not investigating what you bring to us? Seems to me that you need to shore up this ADVERTISEMENT with a personal testimony that shows the depth of your scholarship in putting forth this doctor as if he should be saluted. And if you're merely passing along some MUM promotional announcement, don't you think you're BOTHERING JUST ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE HERE WITH SUCH AN OFFENSIVE OFFERING THAT HAS NO BASIS IN RESEARCHED FACTS THAT HAVE BEEN ELSEWHERE DUPLICATED BY NON-MOVEMENT SCIENTISTS? Are you not, Sir, I ask you directly, trolling MOST of the minds here? What say you? What is your true intent to do this to us when we have so vociferously and for A DECADE shown that we have only a wicked disdain for this kind of information? Pony up, Dude. Be real. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Om by the way, I went to the lecture and it was really a fine and fair synthesis of material. When you step back the lecture is a charting to what evidently is coming as the future fusion of allopathic and wholistic medicine anyway. Trained as a Medical Doctor, a career-long research scientist with a long list of active funded research, a long record of published work, and a senior faculty member of MUM he is quite well qualified enough to lecture on topics of the health of the mind and body, which synthesized becomes psychiatry as the mind relates to cardiology, the heart. The implications are cross-discipline great. “One’s state of mental health is as important a risk factor for heart disease as high blood pressure, cholesterol, and diabetes,” said Dr. Schneider, dean of the Maharishi College of Perfect Health. Lecture on 'Vedic Psychiatry'.. 416339Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF Mental Health Alliance: Shifting Cultural Attitudes https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/416339 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/416339 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : MJ, FFL being categorized with Yahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope that people could come in here and express their own spiritual experience without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You seem to have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'. Would pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status here better provide safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFL with their experiences? For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or someone from his office come on here and express their feelings in conversation here, without threat of abuse. Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL as a vehicle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted my spiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.as has been done to every single person who has come here to report suchlike. I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result? From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9,
