[FairfieldLife] Re: The female Derren Brown
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Oh my God is that even legal!: That's what I thought. If I had been the producer of the show I might have refused to transmit that segment. And you have to wonder what the lawyers were thinking. If the victim had decided to sue the program for trauma suffered I'd have expected him to win his case. Presumably he felt the attraction of getting his 15 minutes of fame was a compensation he'd rather have. Definitely deeply disturbing viewing though. A lot of the people he pulls stunts like that on have previously applied to be on a show of his but were turned down. Or so they thought. One such person was approached by Derren in the street, hypnotised and told to hand over his life savings, which Derren bet on a single spin of a roulette wheel. And lost! Which was embarrassing and probably expensive for the production team but it was interesting to see how far he'd go in preparation. He had bought a wheel himself and spent months analysing speed of spin and how and where the ball was dropped affected the outcome. Finally he was confident he could guess a single spin correctly and off they went with secret cameras because casino's don't like that sort of thing. He was one number out, which was pretty damn good I thought. But no cigar. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Did you see the one where he ran a management training course but trained them to commit armed robbery? Yep. That was very, very impressive! Re Or the one where he strolled round town mugging people by politely asking them for directions and then asking for their car keys and wallets!: Yes, again. That confusion technique is being used by criminal gangs to mug people for real. Now that we've seen Derren do it we wouldn't fall for it . . . would we? I like to think not but I know we all have different ways of reacting to unexpected interactions. Some of us freeze, some of us oblige and some realise something is wrong. Do we know which type we are beforehand? I remember in his 'Trick or Treat' series he would choose his victims from a questionnaire to work out how suited they were for his little games. My favourite was the one where he got a bright young girl and said that all she had to do was sit in a room for half an hour. The room had a window and some magazine to read but also had a kitten in a cage with big red button next to it. She was told she could do anything except push the red button because the kitten will die if she does. Then we sit and watch her go insane until, with a second to go, she pushed the button. Big electrical spark and bang and she collapses in shock, Derren rushes in to comfort her and reassure her the kitten isn't actually dead. But why couldn't she stop herself? He seems to play on the fact we don't know what our unconscious needs and responses really are, how he works it all out I don't know. I just hope his skills don't fall into enemy hands. Did you see the one where he zaps a guy playing a video game and then puts him into a real-life situation where he's being attacked by zombies? Follow this link (not for the faint-hearted) . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SYhYLt-Vgg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SYhYLt-Vgg Oh my God is that even legal! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How did she do that?: Search me. One possibility is that the camera crew following the old geezer can let her know what's being touched and she can then add subliminal suggestions in the chat she gives to his wife. (Don't forget we're seeing an *edited* version of what's going on.) The rest of the series (another three episodes) is also posted on YouTube and the others are even stronger than this first one. Yes, like you, although I'm entertained by this kind of mind control it is also a bit worrying that people can be so easily manipulated without being consciously aware of it. Makes you wonder how far we're being controlled in our everyday lives. Derren Brown could rule the world if he wanted to. Maybe he already does. Did you see the one where he ran a management training course but trained them to commit armed robbery without them knowing? And they did it. How scary was that! And on the last Channel 4 show he did he worked out someone's mobile phone number by doing card tricks! Or the one where he strolled round town mugging people by politely asking them for directions and then asking for their car keys and wallets! I love this psychological manipulation stuff, it makes me think there's a key to people you can work out and then do what you like but I'll bet
[FairfieldLife] Re: The female Derren Brown
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Did you see the one where he ran a management training course but trained them to commit armed robbery? Yep. That was very, very impressive! Re Or the one where he strolled round town mugging people by politely asking them for directions and then asking for their car keys and wallets!: Yes, again. That confusion technique is being used by criminal gangs to mug people for real. Now that we've seen Derren do it we wouldn't fall for it . . . would we? I like to think not but I know we all have different ways of reacting to unexpected interactions. Some of us freeze, some of us oblige and some realise something is wrong. Do we know which type we are beforehand? I remember in his 'Trick or Treat' series he would choose his victims from a questionnaire to work out how suited they were for his little games. My favourite was the one where he got a bright young girl and said that all she had to do was sit in a room for half an hour. The room had a window and some magazine to read but also had a kitten in a cage with big red button next to it. She was told she could do anything except push the red button because the kitten will die if she does. Then we sit and watch her go insane until, with a second to go, she pushed the button. Big electrical spark and bang and she collapses in shock, Derren rushes in to comfort her and reassure her the kitten isn't actually dead. But why couldn't she stop herself? He seems to play on the fact we don't know what our unconscious needs and responses really are, how he works it all out I don't know. I just hope his skills don't fall into enemy hands. Did you see the one where he zaps a guy playing a video game and then puts him into a real-life situation where he's being attacked by zombies? Follow this link (not for the faint-hearted) . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SYhYLt-Vgg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SYhYLt-Vgg Oh my God is that even legal! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How did she do that?: Search me. One possibility is that the camera crew following the old geezer can let her know what's being touched and she can then add subliminal suggestions in the chat she gives to his wife. (Don't forget we're seeing an *edited* version of what's going on.) The rest of the series (another three episodes) is also posted on YouTube and the others are even stronger than this first one. Yes, like you, although I'm entertained by this kind of mind control it is also a bit worrying that people can be so easily manipulated without being consciously aware of it. Makes you wonder how far we're being controlled in our everyday lives. Derren Brown could rule the world if he wanted to. Maybe he already does. Did you see the one where he ran a management training course but trained them to commit armed robbery without them knowing? And they did it. How scary was that! And on the last Channel 4 show he did he worked out someone's mobile phone number by doing card tricks! Or the one where he strolled round town mugging people by politely asking them for directions and then asking for their car keys and wallets! I love this psychological manipulation stuff, it makes me think there's a key to people you can work out and then do what you like but I'll bet he just wants it to look like that. I also like to think that it wouldn't work on me, but don't have much confidence about that. Clearly we really are all half aware. I've only seen a bit of this K Mills video so far but the dwarf policeman stunt seemed like the sort of thing that can't be misinterpreted all that easily! You either guess it right or you don't...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The female Derren Brown
Re Oh my God is that even legal!: That's what I thought. If I had been the producer of the show I might have refused to transmit that segment. And you have to wonder what the lawyers were thinking. If the victim had decided to sue the program for trauma suffered I'd have expected him to win his case. Presumably he felt the attraction of getting his 15 minutes of fame was a compensation he'd rather have. Definitely deeply disturbing viewing though. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Did you see the one where he ran a management training course but trained them to commit armed robbery? Yep. That was very, very impressive! Re Or the one where he strolled round town mugging people by politely asking them for directions and then asking for their car keys and wallets!: Yes, again. That confusion technique is being used by criminal gangs to mug people for real. Now that we've seen Derren do it we wouldn't fall for it . . . would we? I like to think not but I know we all have different ways of reacting to unexpected interactions. Some of us freeze, some of us oblige and some realise something is wrong. Do we know which type we are beforehand? I remember in his 'Trick or Treat' series he would choose his victims from a questionnaire to work out how suited they were for his little games. My favourite was the one where he got a bright young girl and said that all she had to do was sit in a room for half an hour. The room had a window and some magazine to read but also had a kitten in a cage with big red button next to it. She was told she could do anything except push the red button because the kitten will die if she does. Then we sit and watch her go insane until, with a second to go, she pushed the button. Big electrical spark and bang and she collapses in shock, Derren rushes in to comfort her and reassure her the kitten isn't actually dead. But why couldn't she stop herself? He seems to play on the fact we don't know what our unconscious needs and responses really are, how he works it all out I don't know. I just hope his skills don't fall into enemy hands. Did you see the one where he zaps a guy playing a video game and then puts him into a real-life situation where he's being attacked by zombies? Follow this link (not for the faint-hearted) . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SYhYLt-Vgg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SYhYLt-Vgg Oh my God is that even legal! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How did she do that?: Search me. One possibility is that the camera crew following the old geezer can let her know what's being touched and she can then add subliminal suggestions in the chat she gives to his wife. (Don't forget we're seeing an *edited* version of what's going on.) The rest of the series (another three episodes) is also posted on YouTube and the others are even stronger than this first one. Yes, like you, although I'm entertained by this kind of mind control it is also a bit worrying that people can be so easily manipulated without being consciously aware of it. Makes you wonder how far we're being controlled in our everyday lives. Derren Brown could rule the world if he wanted to. Maybe he already does. Did you see the one where he ran a management training course but trained them to commit armed robbery without them knowing? And they did it. How scary was that! And on the last Channel 4 show he did he worked out someone's mobile phone number by doing card tricks! Or the one where he strolled round town mugging people by politely asking them for directions and then asking for their car keys and wallets! I love this psychological manipulation stuff, it makes me think there's a key to people you can work out and then do what you like but I'll bet he just wants it to look like that. I also like to think that it wouldn't work on me, but don't have much confidence about that. Clearly we really are all half aware. I've only seen a bit of this K Mills video so far but the dwarf policeman stunt seemed like the sort of thing that can't be misinterpreted all that easily! You either guess it right or you don't...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The female Derren Brown
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How did she do that?: Search me. One possibility is that the camera crew following the old geezer can let her know what's being touched and she can then add subliminal suggestions in the chat she gives to his wife. (Don't forget we're seeing an *edited* version of what's going on.) The rest of the series (another three episodes) is also posted on YouTube and the others are even stronger than this first one. Yes, like you, although I'm entertained by this kind of mind control it is also a bit worrying that people can be so easily manipulated without being consciously aware of it. Makes you wonder how far we're being controlled in our everyday lives. Derren Brown could rule the world if he wanted to. Maybe he already does. Did you see the one where he ran a management training course but trained them to commit armed robbery without them knowing? And they did it. How scary was that! And on the last Channel 4 show he did he worked out someone's mobile phone number by doing card tricks! Or the one where he strolled round town mugging people by politely asking them for directions and then asking for their car keys and wallets! I love this psychological manipulation stuff, it makes me think there's a key to people you can work out and then do what you like but I'll bet he just wants it to look like that. I also like to think that it wouldn't work on me, but don't have much confidence about that. Clearly we really are all half aware. I've only seen a bit of this K Mills video so far but the dwarf policeman stunt seemed like the sort of thing that can't be misinterpreted all that easily! You either guess it right or you don't... We have to trust that there was no cheating on her part due to the fact we are viewers and she can edit and do all sorts of things off camera so if that is the case then I love her variety of ways in which she presented her ability to manipulate others. But some ways were not explained or evident - like the older couple touching and drawing or the texting guy at the beginning or how he then figured out she had been eating popcorn. Then she does explain the car buying guy to some extent. But yes, the idea of being subtly manipulated all the time by virtually everything we do, whether someone takes advantage of our suggestibility or not, is truly fascinating. Probably already today I have done ten things that were not of my idea, just suggestions planted by various positioning of things or something I saw out of the corner of my eye while typing this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The female Derren Brown
Re Did you see the one where he ran a management training course but trained them to commit armed robbery? Yep. That was very, very impressive! Re Or the one where he strolled round town mugging people by politely asking them for directions and then asking for their car keys and wallets!: Yes, again. That confusion technique is being used by criminal gangs to mug people for real. Now that we've seen Derren do it we wouldn't fall for it . . . would we? Did you see the one where he zaps a guy playing a video game and then puts him into a real-life situation where he's being attacked by zombies? Follow this link (not for the faint-hearted) . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SYhYLt-Vgg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SYhYLt-Vgg ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How did she do that?: Search me. One possibility is that the camera crew following the old geezer can let her know what's being touched and she can then add subliminal suggestions in the chat she gives to his wife. (Don't forget we're seeing an *edited* version of what's going on.) The rest of the series (another three episodes) is also posted on YouTube and the others are even stronger than this first one. Yes, like you, although I'm entertained by this kind of mind control it is also a bit worrying that people can be so easily manipulated without being consciously aware of it. Makes you wonder how far we're being controlled in our everyday lives. Derren Brown could rule the world if he wanted to. Maybe he already does. Did you see the one where he ran a management training course but trained them to commit armed robbery without them knowing? And they did it. How scary was that! And on the last Channel 4 show he did he worked out someone's mobile phone number by doing card tricks! Or the one where he strolled round town mugging people by politely asking them for directions and then asking for their car keys and wallets! I love this psychological manipulation stuff, it makes me think there's a key to people you can work out and then do what you like but I'll bet he just wants it to look like that. I also like to think that it wouldn't work on me, but don't have much confidence about that. Clearly we really are all half aware. I've only seen a bit of this K Mills video so far but the dwarf policeman stunt seemed like the sort of thing that can't be misinterpreted all that easily! You either guess it right or you don't...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The female Derren Brown
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : So, you enjoy the kind of mind-control, mind-blowing tricks that Derren Brown has specialised in. But you're a FFLifer, so being such a sensitive soul you find Derren a little bit sinister. You sad bastard. But help is at hand. A new performer has appeared who matches Derren for the ingenuity of her trickery but the persona she projects is more your big sister with a warm heart. Her new series has been posted on YouTube if you're intrigued . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU There you go. I watched the whole thing. It appears we are very much influenced by all sorts of subliminal stimuli but some of the things were not clear to me why they worked the way they did even though she sort of explained it. Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How did she do that? Anyway, thanks for the share, Seraphita.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The female Derren Brown
Re Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How did she do that?: Search me. One possibility is that the camera crew following the old geezer can let her know what's being touched and she can then add subliminal suggestions in the chat she gives to his wife. (Don't forget we're seeing an *edited* version of what's going on.) The rest of the series (another three episodes) is also posted on YouTube and the others are even stronger than this first one. Yes, like you, although I'm entertained by this kind of mind control it is also a bit worrying that people can be so easily manipulated without being consciously aware of it. Makes you wonder how far we're being controlled in our everyday lives. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : So, you enjoy the kind of mind-control, mind-blowing tricks that Derren Brown has specialised in. But you're a FFLifer, so being such a sensitive soul you find Derren a little bit sinister. You sad bastard. But help is at hand. A new performer has appeared who matches Derren for the ingenuity of her trickery but the persona she projects is more your big sister with a warm heart. Her new series has been posted on YouTube if you're intrigued . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU There you go. I watched the whole thing. It appears we are very much influenced by all sorts of subliminal stimuli but some of the things were not clear to me why they worked the way they did even though she sort of explained it. Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How did she do that? Anyway, thanks for the share, Seraphita.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The female Derren Brown
There is a site I just looked at, which in which many of the comments indicate that it is a staged, heavily edited piece. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How did she do that?: Search me. One possibility is that the camera crew following the old geezer can let her know what's being touched and she can then add subliminal suggestions in the chat she gives to his wife. (Don't forget we're seeing an *edited* version of what's going on.) The rest of the series (another three episodes) is also posted on YouTube and the others are even stronger than this first one. Yes, like you, although I'm entertained by this kind of mind control it is also a bit worrying that people can be so easily manipulated without being consciously aware of it. Makes you wonder how far we're being controlled in our everyday lives. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : So, you enjoy the kind of mind-control, mind-blowing tricks that Derren Brown has specialised in. But you're a FFLifer, so being such a sensitive soul you find Derren a little bit sinister. You sad bastard. But help is at hand. A new performer has appeared who matches Derren for the ingenuity of her trickery but the persona she projects is more your big sister with a warm heart. Her new series has been posted on YouTube if you're intrigued . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU There you go. I watched the whole thing. It appears we are very much influenced by all sorts of subliminal stimuli but some of the things were not clear to me why they worked the way they did even though she sort of explained it. Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How did she do that? Anyway, thanks for the share, Seraphita.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The female Derren Brown
Re Many of the comments indicate that it is a staged, heavily edited piece.: Hmmm. They sound like the sort of skeptics who think that TMers levitating in the Dome are just bouncing on their butts. ;-) Got a link to the site? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : There is a site I just looked at, which in which many of the comments indicate that it is a staged, heavily edited piece. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How did she do that?: Search me. One possibility is that the camera crew following the old geezer can let her know what's being touched and she can then add subliminal suggestions in the chat she gives to his wife. (Don't forget we're seeing an *edited* version of what's going on.) The rest of the series (another three episodes) is also posted on YouTube and the others are even stronger than this first one. Yes, like you, although I'm entertained by this kind of mind control it is also a bit worrying that people can be so easily manipulated without being consciously aware of it. Makes you wonder how far we're being controlled in our everyday lives. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : So, you enjoy the kind of mind-control, mind-blowing tricks that Derren Brown has specialised in. But you're a FFLifer, so being such a sensitive soul you find Derren a little bit sinister. You sad bastard. But help is at hand. A new performer has appeared who matches Derren for the ingenuity of her trickery but the persona she projects is more your big sister with a warm heart. Her new series has been posted on YouTube if you're intrigued . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU There you go. I watched the whole thing. It appears we are very much influenced by all sorts of subliminal stimuli but some of the things were not clear to me why they worked the way they did even though she sort of explained it. Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How did she do that? Anyway, thanks for the share, Seraphita.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The female Derren Brown
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The female Derren Brown
Thanks - interesting thread on that site. Most of the criticisms are about her presentation - they're viewing her as a Derren Brown rip-off who only got those TV specials as she's a good-looking woman. But that was precisely why I liked her. As I said, she's a friendlier presence than Derren. Some of the set pieces - there are ones in the other shows where she has a woman apparently communicating with a Victorian murder victim; another trick has a man able to sense who is staring at the back of his head - that are crying out for Derren to present them with a bit of creepy showmanship. That said, she's personable enough and her skills are quite astonishing. She has memorised all the bar codes on grocery produce, for example, so can tell you what item you're holding if you tell her the code number. That's impressive in my book and anyone who doesn't find it so is being a bit blasé! I sometimes forget my home phone number as I use my mobile (cellphone) all the time! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : The Magic Cafe Forums - Katherine Mills Mind Games http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=568348forum=15the dead spitirt of a Victorian murder victim, in anothe http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=568348forum=15 The Magic Cafe Forums - Katherine Mills Mind Games http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=568348forum=15 The Magic Café - Visit us to discuss with others the wonderful world of magic and illusion. View on www.themagiccafe.com http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=568348forum=15 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: The female Derren Brown
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How did she do that?: Search me. One possibility is that the camera crew following the old geezer can let her know what's being touched and she can then add subliminal suggestions in the chat she gives to his wife. (Don't forget we're seeing an *edited* version of what's going on.) The rest of the series (another three episodes) is also posted on YouTube and the others are even stronger than this first one. Yes, like you, although I'm entertained by this kind of mind control it is also a bit worrying that people can be so easily manipulated without being consciously aware of it. Makes you wonder how far we're being controlled in our everyday lives. Derren Brown could rule the world if he wanted to. Maybe he already does. Did you see the one where he ran a management training course but trained them to commit armed robbery without them knowing? And they did it. How scary was that! And on the last Channel 4 show he did he worked out someone's mobile phone number by doing card tricks! Or the one where he strolled round town mugging people by politely asking them for directions and then asking for their car keys and wallets! I love this psychological manipulation stuff, it makes me think there's a key to people you can work out and then do what you like but I'll bet he just wants it to look like that. I also like to think that it wouldn't work on me, but don't have much confidence about that. Clearly we really are all half aware. I've only seen a bit of this K Mills video so far but the dwarf policeman stunt seemed like the sort of thing that can't be misinterpreted all that easily! You either guess it right or you don't... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : So, you enjoy the kind of mind-control, mind-blowing tricks that Derren Brown has specialised in. But you're a FFLifer, so being such a sensitive soul you find Derren a little bit sinister. You sad bastard. But help is at hand. A new performer has appeared who matches Derren for the ingenuity of her trickery but the persona she projects is more your big sister with a warm heart. Her new series has been posted on YouTube if you're intrigued . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU There you go. I watched the whole thing. It appears we are very much influenced by all sorts of subliminal stimuli but some of the things were not clear to me why they worked the way they did even though she sort of explained it. Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How did she do that? Anyway, thanks for the share, Seraphita.
