Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation, What, on the whole internet? I realize you don't get out much but this is rather far fetched. I am talking about spiritual groups related to TM I must say I'm impressed at your patience with this bullshit Xeno. But perhaps it's time to point out the irony in what's happening. Here we have a bunch of people with not much to say about anything claiming that mean old Bawee stopped them from posting because he was such a mean old meanie. And here they are pouring abuse on you in the same way they claim he used to get at them! I've said these people have no sense of awareness but isn't this taking it too far? I think that amoeba I posted about yesterday has a better grasp of what's going on than Ms Back for More. Lets make a challenge out of it. If it was the Big Bad Wolf stopping conversations here then why haven't they started again? How come it's looking more like a teenage girl's facebook page every day? If you were being prevented from posting, start posting. Start a thread, say something interesting, tell us something we didn't know, give us an insight into something - anything. But stop this dumb harassment of Xeno, you're just making yourself look stupid, he's got more to say than the rest of us put together. If you can't manage a whole thread you can share brain cells until you've thought of something. Better still, have a look back through the archives at some of Barry's pieces about creative writing. He posted some good essays on how to get started on the subject because, like me, he got fed up of the lack of participation and one line posts that add nothing that infest this place. But any appreciation of Barry's writing and contributions about archaeology, travel or history or even TV reviews would be a way of admitting that he made up a huge part of what was worth reading. Can't have that eh? Got to paint him bad and use him to blame your lack of meaningful participation on. When was the last time Judy started a thread? Hell, when was the first time Judy started a thread! Make an effort, stop the hypocritical bullshit or this place will drown in bland your pap. Sally Ann, it's time to ditch your blinkers and take a good look at what you write and why you write it. You're so full of shit half of the time and full of hypocrisy the other half all the while masquerading as this know-it-all, cocky Brit who could have a decent sense of humour if he wasn't so invested in being right so much of the time. Your attempt to play your buddy's mean card just makes you look like a shmuck when, in fact, you sometimes have worthwhile stuff to say. Stick to the worthwhile, I can be friendly and why bother about me if I don't have anything useful to say beyond what you find on your FB page (you are a member of FB, why? And why blame pap on FB as teenage girl, your misogyny is showing.)? At any rate, you can no more be objective about what I post than you can recognize your buddy as a troll. Why you're bringing Judy into this as somehow lacking based on her record of thread starting is the lamest thing I have seen in a while. What the hell are you saying? Carry on ignoring me, Sally, you are not someone who evidently has enough honesty and openness to really want answers or feedback to your rants. Xeno, until we removed the biggest impediment to a real conversation this place was being relentlessly moderated by that impediment. No one was exempt from his malicious and twisted lies and false allegations, not to mention bone-headed conclusions, except those who agreed with and stroked his ego. For you to assert that FFL, of all places, was the best place to find a decent conversation, is perverse if not simply bizarre. It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, or make out of them, not the people that propose them that I find interesting. What you do not like, skip over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps all of us have had an idol that did not live up to the image we pretended to ourselves that they were. In the movement, even shortly after one started to get involved with TM, there were strange warning signs something was amiss, and we would ignore it. The main problem is human beings are never ever really a match for the ideals they create. Still, we can sometimes extract value
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
You are really on to something. FFL #1 Barrry is bad and keeps me from having interesting discussions here. FFL #2 OK Barry is gone now, what do you want to say? FFL #1 That Barry is bad. FFL#2 Feel better now? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation, What, on the whole internet? I realize you don't get out much but this is rather far fetched. I am talking about spiritual groups related to TM I must say I'm impressed at your patience with this bullshit Xeno. But perhaps it's time to point out the irony in what's happening. Here we have a bunch of people with not much to say about anything claiming that mean old Bawee stopped them from posting because he was such a mean old meanie. And here they are pouring abuse on you in the same way they claim he used to get at them! I've said these people have no sense of awareness but isn't this taking it too far? I think that amoeba I posted about yesterday has a better grasp of what's going on than Ms Back for More. Lets make a challenge out of it. If it was the Big Bad Wolf stopping conversations here then why haven't they started again? How come it's looking more like a teenage girl's facebook page every day? If you were being prevented from posting, start posting. Start a thread, say something interesting, tell us something we didn't know, give us an insight into something - anything. But stop this dumb harassment of Xeno, you're just making yourself look stupid, he's got more to say than the rest of us put together. If you can't manage a whole thread you can share brain cells until you've thought of something. Better still, have a look back through the archives at some of Barry's pieces about creative writing. He posted some good essays on how to get started on the subject because, like me, he got fed up of the lack of participation and one line posts that add nothing that infest this place. But any appreciation of Barry's writing and contributions about archaeology, travel or history or even TV reviews would be a way of admitting that he made up a huge part of what was worth reading. Can't have that eh? Got to paint him bad and use him to blame your lack of meaningful participation on. When was the last time Judy started a thread? Hell, when was the first time Judy started a thread! Make an effort, stop the hypocritical bullshit or this place will drown in bland your pap. Xeno, until we removed the biggest impediment to a real conversation this place was being relentlessly moderated by that impediment. No one was exempt from his malicious and twisted lies and false allegations, not to mention bone-headed conclusions, except those who agreed with and stroked his ego. For you to assert that FFL, of all places, was the best place to find a decent conversation, is perverse if not simply bizarre. It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, or make out of them, not the people that propose them that I find interesting. What you do not like, skip over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps all of us have had an idol that did not live up to the image we pretended to ourselves that they were. In the movement, even shortly after one started to get involved with TM, there were strange warning signs something was amiss, and we would ignore it. The main problem is human beings are never ever really a match for the ideals they create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of a much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation. Funny, I wrote a post about this very thing to MJ. The big difference was I made it personal, I used I a lot whereas you tend to keep things in the abstract. Dry and brittle, a tad pedantic; I'm hoping you weren't a teacher or professor in your working days - the class would have been on snooze fer sure. Sorry, but it's true. No, I was not a teacher or a professor, so no one had to fall asleep on my account. I used to live next to a professor of engineering. He would come over and talk for hours in a monotone. Most of the time, in 'person' I don't talk that much. As for an 'I', you think you are a person. Too bad, what a loss. Ho, ho, hee, hee, snort. That is fucking hilarious!! And thank you for that. You have seriously missed the boat, lost the thread, stumbled off the platform. There is no loss Xeno, you evidently misunderstood something
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation, What, on the whole internet? I realize you don't get out much but this is rather far fetched. I am talking about spiritual groups related to TM I must say I'm impressed at your patience with this bullshit Xeno. But perhaps it's time to point out the irony in what's happening. Here we have a bunch of people with not much to say about anything claiming that mean old Bawee stopped them from posting because he was such a mean old meanie. And here they are pouring abuse on you in the same way they claim he used to get at them! I've said these people have no sense of awareness but isn't this taking it too far? I think that amoeba I posted about yesterday has a better grasp of what's going on than Ms Back for More. Lets make a challenge out of it. If it was the Big Bad Wolf stopping conversations here then why haven't they started again? How come it's looking more like a teenage girl's facebook page every day? If you were being prevented from posting, start posting. Start a thread, say something interesting, tell us something we didn't know, give us an insight into something - anything. But stop this dumb harassment of Xeno, you're just making yourself look stupid, he's got more to say than the rest of us put together. If you can't manage a whole thread you can share brain cells until you've thought of something. Better still, have a look back through the archives at some of Barry's pieces about creative writing. He posted some good essays on how to get started on the subject because, like me, he got fed up of the lack of participation and one line posts that add nothing that infest this place. But any appreciation of Barry's writing and contributions about archaeology, travel or history or even TV reviews would be a way of admitting that he made up a huge part of what was worth reading. Can't have that eh? Got to paint him bad and use him to blame your lack of meaningful participation on. When was the last time Judy started a thread? Hell, when was the first time Judy started a thread! Make an effort, stop the hypocritical bullshit or this place will drown in bland your pap. Xeno, until we removed the biggest impediment to a real conversation this place was being relentlessly moderated by that impediment. No one was exempt from his malicious and twisted lies and false allegations, not to mention bone-headed conclusions, except those who agreed with and stroked his ego. For you to assert that FFL, of all places, was the best place to find a decent conversation, is perverse if not simply bizarre. It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, or make out of them, not the people that propose them that I find interesting. What you do not like, skip over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps all of us have had an idol that did not live up to the image we pretended to ourselves that they were. In the movement, even shortly after one started to get involved with TM, there were strange warning signs something was amiss, and we would ignore it. The main problem is human beings are never ever really a match for the ideals they create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of a much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation. Funny, I wrote a post about this very thing to MJ. The big difference was I made it personal, I used I a lot whereas you tend to keep things in the abstract. Dry and brittle, a tad pedantic; I'm hoping you weren't a teacher or professor in your working days - the class would have been on snooze fer sure. Sorry, but it's true. No, I was not a teacher or a professor, so no one had to fall asleep on my account. I used to live next to a professor of engineering. He would come over and talk for hours in a monotone. Most of the time, in 'person' I don't talk that much. As for an 'I', you think you are a person. Too bad, what a loss. Ho, ho, hee, hee, snort. That is fucking hilarious!! And thank you for that. You have seriously missed the boat, lost the thread, stumbled off the platform. There is no loss Xeno, you evidently misunderstood something when you became enlightened or read the wrong book or misinterpreted some sage. There is no too bad for living amid personhood. I can vouch for that. Whatever you have lost, you need to find it again, and soon before you leave that body of yours. It's all in the eye of the beholder
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
Hey Xeno, it's me, moi, the old jedi_spock. Rick bounced me along with 'Dan firedman'. I never got yahoo to interfere in the freedom of speech here. It was Dan who did it. Rick didn't give me an opportunity to explain my POV. A few days later Rick kindly reinstated me. Thanks to Curtis who put in a good word to Rick. Looks like you too are becoming senile like Barry. It's these kind of errors that irritated authfriend. Tell you what, you and me, along with Salyavin, MJ, Curtis move over to the abyss. Let 'the abyss' be the mirror of fairfieldlife. Hell, I wish someone like gullible fool comes back and takes over the moderatership from Buck. Barry's posts were never designed to give people clarity. Barry's posts were designed to hurt people at the tender feeling level and make them look like idiots. There was a sadistic streak in his posts that befuddled people. --- anartaxius@... wrote : No, he doesn't appear to be a psychopath. If anything, I am closer to being one than him. His career path, and the people he lives with probably would not have worked out that way if he were a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to be ingratiating, they have an ability to make you like them. Turq does not seem to have that ability to create a fake, loving façade that will fool most people, if anything, he is the opposite, an acquired taste that many here cannot stomach. You were trying to get Yahoo to interfere with freedom of speech here, and Rick did not care for such a threat. But now of course, freedom of speech is curtailed, just in another direction, a bit more in the direction of insanty, as he gave moderation to the one here most infected with religion. Religious people tend not to enjoy free speech when it comes to their sacred cows. I think all people who believe in a religion are insane, so apparently you would fall into that category. But it is a limited insanity. For example, you might know how to make a good cup of coffee, and know precisely how to proceed to accomplish that and have other skills. But the human mind comes to a strange disconnect when it comes to religious beliefs. It is felt they must be protected and that somehow they are different from other beliefs. But all beliefs have one characteristic, they are a pretence to knowledge which one does not really have, and religious beliefs tend to be programmed into the mind at an early age where the mind is very plastic and vulnerable and gullible. It is a form of conditioning that results in a mechanical response to certain kinds of input later in life. A spiritual life is one in which those conditioned beliefs are unwound and are replaced by something you would never in a million years expect. --- jason_green@... wrote : Too bad things ended this way for 'uncle tantra'. He is a high calibre intellectual, but unfortunately a horrendous psychopath. As Judy pointed out, he is so focussed on displaying his dazzling language skills that he loses objectivity. This is what he said when I got bounced by Rick, So IMO during this latest kerfuffle Jedi was just being an annoying Internet troll by trolling religious fanatic Jews. Dan, on the other hand, was trying to be a dictatorial bastard by trying to threaten Rick for not silencing him. Jedi was merely willing to diss religious fanatics. Dan was being *such* a dictatorial bastard that he was willing to try to get Yahoo to censure Fairfield Life or take it down because people on it were saying some things he didn't like. *That*, I am pretty sure, is what pushed Rick to act. In his own sick, twisted way, Dan was trying to do exactly the same thing that other asshole from the past was doing when he posted porn to FFL and then reported it to Yahoo, again in an attempt to get it taken down, and again for the same reason -- he didn't like what some people were saying about things he was attached to. Jedi was merely expressing his opinion, no matter how crudely or stupidly. Dan was trying to force other people to do what *he* wanted them to do. Given a choice, I'd rather live with foul-mouthed critics like Jedi than live with the insane people like Dan. But Rick made the wisdom of Solomon choice and got rid of BOTH of them. Win-win. Congratulations, Rick. 399695 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/399695?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma Agreed. Very Solomon-like, getting rid of both the 12-year-old and the whiner. I don't auto delete jedi's posts, just nuke them at the first glimpse of crazy, which is much of the time. Dan, however, has been on my DNR list since he reappeared, but he *still* required maintenance, just to empty the folder collecting his posts. It's been like living alone but having to flush the toilet 100 times a day to get rid of someone else's shit. Good riddance. 399571 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/399571?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma ---
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
Ha ha! Maybe I will.
From: jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 2:34 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
You know Xeno, about 14 years ago 'Uncle Tantra' was like a
giant to me, battling the TM-mov't and other cults. As all
three of us are basically on the same page philosophically,
I did learn a lot from him.
But, as years of interaction showed he is not as perfect as
I thought him to be. I guess we all are human. But, it's a
fact that I learnt quite a number of valuable things from
him.
What I tried to explain is that his reaction when I was
bounced, was almost brazen and callous. Some of his
critiques about the TM-mov't a decade ago were well written
and should be read by the people on the highest level in the
mov't. It seemed, he began to slowly deterioriate mentally
as years rolled by.
Time is time, it eventually catches you, and you are
history.
By the way, don't you think MJ should start the_abyss
group. The peak can be the north pole. The FairfieldLife
the equator, and 'the abyss' the south pole.
--- anartaxius@... wrote :
Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true authfriend would
root out various kinds of errors in what people wrote, she often did not see
the forest for the trees, and did not expound much on what she actually knew
about the subjects she was criticising were discussing. It was all dissection
and no integration. If you go over Turq's posts for the last 10 years, you will
find he also could provide clarity. Both Turq and authfriend tried made people
look like idiots, and possibly some us were and still are.
--- jason_green2@... wrote :
Hey Xeno, it's me, moi, the old jedi_spock. Rick bounced me
along with 'Dan firedman'.
I never got yahoo to interfere in the freedom of speech
here. It was Dan who did it. Rick didn't give me an
opportunity to explain my POV. A few days later Rick kindly
reinstated me. Thanks to Curtis who put in a good word to
Rick.
Looks like you too are becoming senile like Barry. It's
these kind of errors that irritated authfriend.
Tell you what, you and me, along with Salyavin, MJ, Curtis
move over to the abyss. Let 'the abyss' be the mirror of
fairfieldlife.
Hell, I wish someone like gullible fool comes back and
takes over the moderatership from Buck.
Barry's posts were never designed to give people clarity.
Barry's posts were designed to hurt people at the tender
feeling level and make them look like idiots. There was a
sadistic streak in his posts that befuddled people.
--- anartaxius@... wrote :
No, he doesn't appear to be a psychopath. If anything, I am closer to being one
than him. His career path, and the people he lives with probably would not have
worked out that way if he were a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to be
ingratiating, they have an ability to make you like them. Turq does not seem to
have that ability to create a fake, loving façade that will fool most people,
if anything, he is the opposite, an acquired taste that many here cannot
stomach. You were trying to get Yahoo to interfere with freedom of speech here,
and Rick did not care for such a threat. But now of course, freedom of speech
is curtailed, just in another direction, a bit more in the direction of
insanty, as he gave moderation to the one here most infected with religion.
Religious people tend not to enjoy free speech when it comes to their sacred
cows. I think all people who believe in a religion are insane, so apparently
you would fall into that category. But it is a limited insanity. For example,
you might know how to make a good cup of coffee, and know precisely how to
proceed to accomplish that and have other skills. But the human mind comes to a
strange disconnect when it comes to religious beliefs. It is felt they must be
protected and that somehow they are different from other beliefs. But all
beliefs have one characteristic, they are a pretence to knowledge which one
does not really have, and religious beliefs tend to be programmed into the mind
at an early age where the mind is very plastic and vulnerable and gullible. It
is a form of conditioning that results in a mechanical response to certain
kinds of input later in life. A spiritual life is one in which those
conditioned beliefs are unwound and are replaced by something you would never
in a million years expect.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
Reading your post about the warning signs soon after beginning TM - can you believe that when I first started I was so stupid I really believed that all the local TM teachers were enlightened??? From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2) None of us are perfect, and there does seem to be a narrowing of one's focus on certain things as we move into older age. I wasn't on FFL in the early days, but sniping back and forth did seem to be increasing, it's basically a lower brain function. Maharishi seemed to be in much better form when he was younger too. Each conversation has two sides. I cannot see that those that opposed Turq so vociferously here really acted much better or more intelligently. I cannot see that the Peak with its absurd discussions of crop circles etc., is a Peak of intelligence. The goal, if you will, is to have the extremes of existence all functioning within that existence, not as separated things. So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation, but there is a dark cloud of suppression overhead at the moment, and so far it has been what seems to be personally selective. It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, or make out of them, not the people that propose them that I find interesting. What you do not like, skip over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps all of us have had an idol that did not live up to the image we pretended to ourselves that they were. In the movement, even shortly after one started to get involved with TM, there were strange warning signs something was amiss, and we would ignore it. The main problem is human beings are never ever really a match for the ideals they create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of a much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation. From: jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2) You know Xeno, about 14 years ago 'Uncle Tantra' was like a giant to me, battling the TM-mov't and other cults. As all three of us are basically on the same page philosophically, I did learn a lot from him. But, as years of interaction showed he is not as perfect as I thought him to be. I guess we all are human. But, it's a fact that I learnt quite a number of valuable things from him. What I tried to explain is that his reaction when I was bounced, was almost brazen and callous. Some of his critiques about the TM-mov't a decade ago were well written and should be read by the people on the highest level in the mov't. It seemed, he began to slowly deterioriate mentally as years rolled by. Time is time, it eventually catches you, and you are history. By the way, don't you think MJ should start the_abyss group. The peak can be the north pole. The FairfieldLife the equator, and 'the abyss' the south pole. --- anartaxius@... wrote : Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true authfriend would root out various kinds of errors in what people wrote, she often did not see the forest for the trees, and did not expound much on what she actually knew about the subjects she was criticising were discussing. It was all dissection and no integration. If you go over Turq's posts for the last 10 years, you will find he also could provide clarity. Both Turq and authfriend tried made people look like idiots, and possibly some us were and still are. --- jason_green2@... wrote : Hey Xeno, it's me, moi, the old jedi_spock. Rick bounced me along with 'Dan firedman'. I never got yahoo to interfere in the freedom of speech here. It was Dan who did it. Rick didn't give me an opportunity to explain my POV. A few days later Rick kindly reinstated me. Thanks to Curtis who put in a good word to Rick. Looks like you too are becoming senile like Barry. It's these kind of errors that irritated authfriend. Tell you what, you and me, along with Salyavin, MJ, Curtis move over to the abyss. Let 'the abyss' be the mirror of fairfieldlife. Hell, I wish someone like gullible fool comes back and takes over the moderatership from Buck. Barry's posts were never designed to give people clarity. Barry's posts were designed to hurt people at the tender feeling level and make them look like idiots. There was a sadistic streak in his posts that befuddled people. --- anartaxius@... wrote : No, he doesn't appear to be a psychopath. If anything, I am closer to being one than him. His career path, and the people he lives with probably would not have worked out that way if he were a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to be ingratiating
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true authfriend would root out various kinds of errors in what people wrote, she often did not see the forest for the trees, and did not expound much on what she actually knew about the subjects she was criticising were discussing. It was all dissection and no integration. If you go over Turq's posts for the last 10 years, you will find he also could provide clarity. Both Turq and authfriend tried made people look like idiots, and possibly some us were and still are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jason_green2@... wrote : Hey Xeno, it's me, moi, the old jedi_spock. Rick bounced me along with 'Dan firedman'. I never got yahoo to interfere in the freedom of speech here. It was Dan who did it. Rick didn't give me an opportunity to explain my POV. A few days later Rick kindly reinstated me. Thanks to Curtis who put in a good word to Rick. Looks like you too are becoming senile like Barry. It's these kind of errors that irritated authfriend. Tell you what, you and me, along with Salyavin, MJ, Curtis move over to the abyss. Let 'the abyss' be the mirror of fairfieldlife. Hell, I wish someone like gullible fool comes back and takes over the moderatership from Buck. Barry's posts were never designed to give people clarity. Barry's posts were designed to hurt people at the tender feeling level and make them look like idiots. There was a sadistic streak in his posts that befuddled people. --- anartaxius@... wrote : No, he doesn't appear to be a psychopath. If anything, I am closer to being one than him. His career path, and the people he lives with probably would not have worked out that way if he were a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to be ingratiating, they have an ability to make you like them. Turq does not seem to have that ability to create a fake, loving façade that will fool most people, if anything, he is the opposite, an acquired taste that many here cannot stomach. You were trying to get Yahoo to interfere with freedom of speech here, and Rick did not care for such a threat. But now of course, freedom of speech is curtailed, just in another direction, a bit more in the direction of insanty, as he gave moderation to the one here most infected with religion. Religious people tend not to enjoy free speech when it comes to their sacred cows. I think all people who believe in a religion are insane, so apparently you would fall into that category. But it is a limited insanity. For example, you might know how to make a good cup of coffee, and know precisely how to proceed to accomplish that and have other skills. But the human mind comes to a strange disconnect when it comes to religious beliefs. It is felt they must be protected and that somehow they are different from other beliefs. But all beliefs have one characteristic, they are a pretence to knowledge which one does not really have, and religious beliefs tend to be programmed into the mind at an early age where the mind is very plastic and vulnerable and gullible. It is a form of conditioning that results in a mechanical response to certain kinds of input later in life. A spiritual life is one in which those conditioned beliefs are unwound and are replaced by something you would never in a million years expect.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Reading your post about the warning signs soon after beginning TM - can you believe that when I first started I was so stupid I really believed that all the local TM teachers were enlightened??? I think many who started TM were optimists and definitely had the characteristic of seeking to optimize their own personhood through a practice (in this case TM) that could somehow transform their mediocre state of physiology and psychology into something deeper and greater and healthier. All of us wanted those things and we believed that it was possible. There is nothing embarrassing about that. I think, for me, I did what I did with regard to TM and it was fine. I was initiated at 14, took SCI at Livingston Manor in the summer of 1975, went to MIU for four years, left FF and moved to the East Coast and worked for a while until I stumbled into Robin Carlsen who was this Movement renegade which I loved the idea of. Revolution! Great idea, lots of fun. I regret nothing. I let those who want to remain believing or who simply need community in FF to do their thing as they see fit. I'm doing mine and I still carry forward aspects of that initial optimism with regard to improving and deepening, maybe even having glimpses of what this is all about in random moments walking in the countryside somewhere in Greater Victoria or maybe strolling down a street in Havana. It's all so incredible - this life - but I say never kick yourself for being an optimist, for being an idealist. These are not negative qualities and, later, when we have all had various hopes dashed or plans gone awry we can find ourselves more balanced in our viewpoints but hopefully not angry and jaded. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2) None of us are perfect, and there does seem to be a narrowing of one's focus on certain things as we move into older age. I wasn't on FFL in the early days, but sniping back and forth did seem to be increasing, it's basically a lower brain function. Maharishi seemed to be in much better form when he was younger too. Each conversation has two sides. I cannot see that those that opposed Turq so vociferously here really acted much better or more intelligently. I cannot see that the Peak with its absurd discussions of crop circles etc., is a Peak of intelligence. The goal, if you will, is to have the extremes of existence all functioning within that existence, not as separated things. So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation, but there is a dark cloud of suppression overhead at the moment, and so far it has been what seems to be personally selective. It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, or make out of them, not the people that propose them that I find interesting. What you do not like, skip over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps all of us have had an idol that did not live up to the image we pretended to ourselves that they were. In the movement, even shortly after one started to get involved with TM, there were strange warning signs something was amiss, and we would ignore it. The main problem is human beings are never ever really a match for the ideals they create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of a much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation. From: jason_green2@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2) You know Xeno, about 14 years ago 'Uncle Tantra' was like a giant to me, battling the TM-mov't and other cults. As all three of us are basically on the same page philosophically, I did learn a lot from him. But, as years of interaction showed he is not as perfect as I thought him to be. I guess we all are human. But, it's a fact that I learnt quite a number of valuable things from him. What I tried to explain is that his reaction when I was bounced, was almost brazen and callous. Some of his critiques about the TM-mov't a decade ago were well written and should be read by the people on the highest level in the mov't. It seemed, he began to slowly deterioriate mentally as years rolled by. Time is time, it eventually catches you, and you are history. By the way, don't you think MJ should start the_abyss group. The peak can be the north pole. The FairfieldLife the equator, and 'the abyss' the south pole. --- anartaxius@... wrote : Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true authfriend would root out various kinds of errors in what people wrote, she often did not see the forest
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : None of us are perfect, and there does seem to be a narrowing of one's focus on certain things as we move into older age. I wasn't on FFL in the early days, but sniping back and forth did seem to be increasing, it's basically a lower brain function. Maharishi seemed to be in much better form when he was younger too. Each conversation has two sides. I cannot see that those that opposed Turq so vociferously here really acted much better or more intelligently. I cannot see that the Peak with its absurd discussions of crop circles etc., is a Peak of intelligence. The goal, if you will, is to have the extremes of existence all functioning within that existence, not as separated things. So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation, What, on the whole internet? I realize you don't get out much but this is rather far fetched. but there is a dark cloud of suppression overhead at the moment, and so far it has been what seems to be personally selective. Paranoia runs deep, into your heart it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid, you step out of line the man come and take you away... (Buffalo Springfield). It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, or make out of them, not the people that propose them that I find interesting. What you do not like, skip over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps all of us have had an idol that did not live up to the image we pretended to ourselves that they were. In the movement, even shortly after one started to get involved with TM, there were strange warning signs something was amiss, and we would ignore it. The main problem is human beings are never ever really a match for the ideals they create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of a much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation. Funny, I wrote a post about this very thing to MJ. The big difference was I made it personal, I used I a lot whereas you tend to keep things in the abstract. Dry and brittle, a tad pedantic; I'm hoping you weren't a teacher or professor in your working days - the class would have been on snooze fer sure. Sorry, but it's true. From: jason_green2@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2) You know Xeno, about 14 years ago 'Uncle Tantra' was like a giant to me, battling the TM-mov't and other cults. As all three of us are basically on the same page philosophically, I did learn a lot from him. But, as years of interaction showed he is not as perfect as I thought him to be. I guess we all are human. But, it's a fact that I learnt quite a number of valuable things from him. What I tried to explain is that his reaction when I was bounced, was almost brazen and callous. Some of his critiques about the TM-mov't a decade ago were well written and should be read by the people on the highest level in the mov't. It seemed, he began to slowly deterioriate mentally as years rolled by. Time is time, it eventually catches you, and you are history. By the way, don't you think MJ should start the_abyss group. The peak can be the north pole. The FairfieldLife the equator, and 'the abyss' the south pole. --- anartaxius@... wrote : Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true authfriend would root out various kinds of errors in what people wrote, she often did not see the forest for the trees, and did not expound much on what she actually knew about the subjects she was criticising were discussing. It was all dissection and no integration. If you go over Turq's posts for the last 10 years, you will find he also could provide clarity. Both Turq and authfriend tried made people look like idiots, and possibly some us were and still are. --- jason_green2@... wrote : Hey Xeno, it's me, moi, the old jedi_spock. Rick bounced me along with 'Dan firedman'. I never got yahoo to interfere in the freedom of speech here. It was Dan who did it. Rick didn't give me an opportunity to explain my POV. A few days later Rick kindly reinstated me. Thanks to Curtis who put in a good word to Rick. Looks like you too are becoming senile like Barry. It's these kind of errors that irritated authfriend. Tell you what, you and me, along with Salyavin, MJ, Curtis move over to the abyss. Let 'the abyss' be the mirror of fairfieldlife. Hell, I wish someone like gullible fool comes back and takes over the moderatership from Buck. Barry's posts were never designed to give people clarity. Barry's posts were designed to hurt people at the tender feeling level and make them look like idiots. There was a sadistic streak in his posts that befuddled people. --- anartaxius@... wrote : No, he doesn't appear to be a psychopath. If anything, I am
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
By the time I got around to learning TM I already knew enough about meditation and enlightenment that I did not expect TM teachers to be enlightened at all. I had already learned it was quite an achievement if not the ultimate goal of life. I had fun with the organization until sometime after I got back from TTC and the self-appointed TM police began ruining things. On 06/24/2015 02:46 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Reading your post about the warning signs soon after beginning TM - can you believe that when I first started I was so stupid I really believed that all the local TM teachers were enlightened??? *From:* Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 3:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2) None of us are perfect, and there does seem to be a narrowing of one's focus on certain things as we move into older age. I wasn't on FFL in the early days, but sniping back and forth did seem to be increasing, it's basically a lower brain function. Maharishi seemed to be in much better form when he was younger too. Each conversation has two sides. I cannot see that those that opposed Turq so vociferously here really acted much better or more intelligently. I cannot see that the Peak with its absurd discussions of crop circles etc., is a Peak of intelligence. The goal, if you will, is to have the extremes of existence all functioning within that existence, not as separated things. So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation, but there is a dark cloud of suppression overhead at the moment, and so far it has been what seems to be personally selective. It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, or make out of them, not the people that propose them that I find interesting. What you do not like, skip over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps all of us have had an idol that did not live up to the image we pretended to ourselves that they were. In the movement, even shortly after one started to get involved with TM, there were strange warning signs something was amiss, and we would ignore it. The main problem is human beings are never ever really a match for the ideals they create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of a much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation. *From:* jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:34 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2) You know Xeno, about 14 years ago 'Uncle Tantra' was like a giant to me, battling the TM-mov't and other cults. As all three of us are basically on the same page philosophically, I did learn a lot from him. But, as years of interaction showed he is not as perfect as I thought him to be. I guess we all are human. But, it's a fact that I learnt quite a number of valuable things from him. What I tried to explain is that his reaction when I was bounced, was almost brazen and callous. Some of his critiques about the TM-mov't a decade ago were well written and should be read by the people on the highest level in the mov't. It seemed, he began to slowly deterioriate mentally as years rolled by. Time is time, it eventually catches you, and you are history. By the way, don't you think MJ should start the_abyss group. The peak can be the north pole. The FairfieldLife the equator, and 'the abyss' the south pole. --- anartaxius@... wrote : Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true authfriend would root out various kinds of errors in what people wrote, she often did not see the forest for the trees, and did not expound much on what she actually knew about the subjects she was criticising were discussing. It was all dissection and no integration. If you go over Turq's posts for the last 10 years, you will find he also could provide clarity. Both Turq and authfriend tried made people look like idiots, and possibly some us were and still are. --- jason_green2@... wrote : Hey Xeno, it's me, moi, the old jedi_spock. Rick bounced me along with 'Dan firedman'. I never got yahoo to interfere in the freedom of speech here. It was Dan who did it. Rick didn't give me an opportunity to explain my POV. A few days later Rick kindly reinstated me. Thanks to Curtis who put in a good word to Rick. Looks like you too are becoming senile like Barry. It's these kind of errors that irritated authfriend. Tell you what, you and me, along with Salyavin, MJ, Curtis move over to the abyss. Let 'the abyss' be the mirror of fairfieldlife. Hell, I wish someone like
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true authfriend would root out various kinds of errors in what people wrote, she often did not see the forest for the trees, and did not expound much on what she actually knew about the subjects she was criticising were discussing. It was all dissection and no integration. If you go over Turq's posts for the last 10 years, you will find he also could provide clarity. Both Turq and authfriend tried made people look like idiots, and possibly some us were and still are. I would say, based on this post of yours, the last sentence, after the comma, is an astute description of yourself. You just keep proving it over and over. Don't know about the senility part, I haven't gotten there yet. One of the first signs of senility is you don't understand the first part of a paragraph you read. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jason_green2@... wrote :
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true authfriend would root out various kinds of errors in what people wrote, she often did not see the forest for the trees, and did not expound much on what she actually knew about the subjects she was criticising were discussing. It was all dissection and no integration. If you go over Turq's posts for the last 10 years, you will find he also could provide clarity. Both Turq and authfriend tried made people look like idiots, and possibly some us were and still are. I would say, based on this post of yours, the last sentence, after the comma, is an astute description of yourself. You just keep proving it over and over. Don't know about the senility part, I haven't gotten there yet. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jason_green2@... wrote : Hey Xeno, it's me, moi, the old jedi_spock. Rick bounced me along with 'Dan firedman'. I never got yahoo to interfere in the freedom of speech here. It was Dan who did it. Rick didn't give me an opportunity to explain my POV. A few days later Rick kindly reinstated me. Thanks to Curtis who put in a good word to Rick. Looks like you too are becoming senile like Barry. It's these kind of errors that irritated authfriend. Tell you what, you and me, along with Salyavin, MJ, Curtis move over to the abyss. Let 'the abyss' be the mirror of fairfieldlife. Hell, I wish someone like gullible fool comes back and takes over the moderatership from Buck. Barry's posts were never designed to give people clarity. Barry's posts were designed to hurt people at the tender feeling level and make them look like idiots. There was a sadistic streak in his posts that befuddled people. --- anartaxius@... wrote : No, he doesn't appear to be a psychopath. If anything, I am closer to being one than him. His career path, and the people he lives with probably would not have worked out that way if he were a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to be ingratiating, they have an ability to make you like them. Turq does not seem to have that ability to create a fake, loving façade that will fool most people, if anything, he is the opposite, an acquired taste that many here cannot stomach. You were trying to get Yahoo to interfere with freedom of speech here, and Rick did not care for such a threat. But now of course, freedom of speech is curtailed, just in another direction, a bit more in the direction of insanty, as he gave moderation to the one here most infected with religion. Religious people tend not to enjoy free speech when it comes to their sacred cows. I think all people who believe in a religion are insane, so apparently you would fall into that category. But it is a limited insanity. For example, you might know how to make a good cup of coffee, and know precisely how to proceed to accomplish that and have other skills. But the human mind comes to a strange disconnect when it comes to religious beliefs. It is felt they must be protected and that somehow they are different from other beliefs. But all beliefs have one characteristic, they are a pretence to knowledge which one does not really have, and religious beliefs tend to be programmed into the mind at an early age where the mind is very plastic and vulnerable and gullible. It is a form of conditioning that results in a mechanical response to certain kinds of input later in life. A spiritual life is one in which those conditioned beliefs are unwound and are replaced by something you would never in a million years expect.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation, What, on the whole internet? I realize you don't get out much but this is rather far fetched. I am talking about spiritual groups related to TM It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, or make out of them, not the people that propose them that I find interesting. What you do not like, skip over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps all of us have had an idol that did not live up to the image we pretended to ourselves that they were. In the movement, even shortly after one started to get involved with TM, there were strange warning signs something was amiss, and we would ignore it. The main problem is human beings are never ever really a match for the ideals they create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of a much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation. Funny, I wrote a post about this very thing to MJ. The big difference was I made it personal, I used I a lot whereas you tend to keep things in the abstract. Dry and brittle, a tad pedantic; I'm hoping you weren't a teacher or professor in your working days - the class would have been on snooze fer sure. Sorry, but it's true. No, I was not a teacher or a professor, so no one had to fall asleep on my account. I used to live next to a professor of engineering. He would come over and talk for hours in a monotone. Most of the time, in 'person' I don't talk that much. As for an 'I', you think you are a person. Too bad, what a loss.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation, What, on the whole internet? I realize you don't get out much but this is rather far fetched. I am talking about spiritual groups related to TM Xeno, until we removed the biggest impediment to a real conversation this place was being relentlessly moderated by that impediment. No one was exempt from his malicious and twisted lies and false allegations, not to mention bone-headed conclusions, except those who agreed with and stroked his ego. For you to assert that FFL, of all places, was the best place to find a decent conversation, is perverse if not simply bizarre. It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, or make out of them, not the people that propose them that I find interesting. What you do not like, skip over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps all of us have had an idol that did not live up to the image we pretended to ourselves that they were. In the movement, even shortly after one started to get involved with TM, there were strange warning signs something was amiss, and we would ignore it. The main problem is human beings are never ever really a match for the ideals they create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of a much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation. Funny, I wrote a post about this very thing to MJ. The big difference was I made it personal, I used I a lot whereas you tend to keep things in the abstract. Dry and brittle, a tad pedantic; I'm hoping you weren't a teacher or professor in your working days - the class would have been on snooze fer sure. Sorry, but it's true. No, I was not a teacher or a professor, so no one had to fall asleep on my account. I used to live next to a professor of engineering. He would come over and talk for hours in a monotone. Most of the time, in 'person' I don't talk that much. As for an 'I', you think you are a person. Too bad, what a loss. Ho, ho, hee, hee, snort. That is fucking hilarious!! And thank you for that. You have seriously missed the boat, lost the thread, stumbled off the platform. There is no loss Xeno, you evidently misunderstood something when you became enlightened or read the wrong book or misinterpreted some sage. There is no too bad for living amid personhood. I can vouch for that. Whatever you have lost, you need to find it again, and soon before you leave that body of yours. It's all in the eye of the beholder, and it's 'eye', not eyes. POVs are not interchangeable. I have not lost anything that is real. I lost a lot of other stuff though. I could lose some more; it is a waste of time to seek what cannot be found. You take your path and I'll take mine. Believe what you will. I take what life/God/the universe throws my way and have a party with it - personhood and all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation, What, on the whole internet? I realize you don't get out much but this is rather far fetched. I am talking about spiritual groups related to TM Xeno, until we removed the biggest impediment to a real conversation this place was being relentlessly moderated by that impediment. No one was exempt from his malicious and twisted lies and false allegations, not to mention bone-headed conclusions, except those who agreed with and stroked his ego. For you to assert that FFL, of all places, was the best place to find a decent conversation, is perverse if not simply bizarre. It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, or make out of them, not the people that propose them that I find interesting. What you do not like, skip over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps all of us have had an idol that did not live up to the image we pretended to ourselves that they were. In the movement, even shortly after one started to get involved with TM, there were strange warning signs something was amiss, and we would ignore it. The main problem is human beings are never ever really a match for the ideals they create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of a much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation. Funny, I wrote a post about this very thing to MJ. The big difference was I made it personal, I used I a lot whereas you tend to keep things in the abstract. Dry and brittle, a tad pedantic; I'm hoping you weren't a teacher or professor in your working days - the class would have been on snooze fer sure. Sorry, but it's true. No, I was not a teacher or a professor, so no one had to fall asleep on my account. I used to live next to a professor of engineering. He would come over and talk for hours in a monotone. Most of the time, in 'person' I don't talk that much. As for an 'I', you think you are a person. Too bad, what a loss. Ho, ho, hee, hee, snort. That is fucking hilarious!! And thank you for that. You have seriously missed the boat, lost the thread, stumbled off the platform. There is no loss Xeno, you evidently misunderstood something when you became enlightened or read the wrong book or misinterpreted some sage. There is no too bad for living amid personhood. I can vouch for that. Whatever you have lost, you need to find it again, and soon before you leave that body of yours.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2) Reading your post about the warning signs soon after beginning TM - can you believe that when I first started I was so stupid I really believed that all the local TM teachers were enlightened??? I will try not to hold it against you, but if that was the case, I can overlook it. I was really interested in finding an easy meditation technique, so I was going to try it even before I heard a lecture, so I really did not listen that carefully, or care who or what taught me. It was like, teach me, and I'll see if it works. I had a very non-TM mindset when I learned, and it never completely went away. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2) None of us are perfect, and there does seem to be a narrowing of one's focus on certain things as we move into older age. I wasn't on FFL in the early days, but sniping back and forth did seem to be increasing, it's basically a lower brain function. Maharishi seemed to be in much better form when he was younger too. Each conversation has two sides. I cannot see that those that opposed Turq so vociferously here really acted much better or more intelligently. I cannot see that the Peak with its absurd discussions of crop circles etc., is a Peak of intelligence. The goal, if you will, is to have the extremes of existence all functioning within that existence, not as separated things. So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation, but there is a dark cloud of suppression overhead at the moment, and so far it has been what seems to be personally selective. It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, or make out of them, not the people that propose them that I find interesting. What you do not like, skip over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps all of us have had an idol that did not live up to the image we pretended to ourselves that they were. In the movement, even shortly after one started to get involved with TM, there were strange warning signs something was amiss, and we would ignore it. The main problem is human beings are never ever really a match for the ideals they create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of a much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation. From: jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2) You know Xeno, about 14 years ago 'Uncle Tantra' was like a giant to me, battling the TM-mov't and other cults. As all three of us are basically on the same page philosophically, I did learn a lot from him. But, as years of interaction showed he is not as perfect as I thought him to be. I guess we all are human. But, it's a fact that I learnt quite a number of valuable things from him. What I tried to explain is that his reaction when I was bounced, was almost brazen and callous. Some of his critiques about the TM-mov't a decade ago were well written and should be read by the people on the highest level in the mov't. It seemed, he began to slowly deterioriate mentally as years rolled by. Time is time, it eventually catches you, and you are history. By the way, don't you think MJ should start the_abyss group. The peak can be the north pole. The FairfieldLife the equator, and 'the abyss' the south pole. --- anartaxius@... wrote : Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true authfriend would root out various kinds of errors in what people wrote, she often did not see the forest for the trees, and did not expound much on what she actually knew about the subjects she was criticising were discussing. It was all dissection and no integration. If you go over Turq's posts for the last 10 years, you will find he also could provide clarity. Both Turq and authfriend tried made people look like idiots, and possibly some us were and still are. --- jason_green2@... wrote : Hey Xeno, it's me, moi, the old jedi_spock. Rick bounced me along with 'Dan firedman'. I never got yahoo to interfere in the freedom of speech here. It was Dan who did it. Rick didn't give me an opportunity to explain my POV. A few days later Rick kindly reinstated me. Thanks to Curtis who put in a good word to Rick. Looks like you too are becoming senile like Barry. It's these kind of errors that irritated authfriend. Tell you what, you and me, along
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:58 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch
#2)---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation,
What, on the whole internet? I realize you don't get out much but this is
rather far fetched.
I am talking about spiritual groups related to TM
Xeno, until we removed the biggest impediment to a real conversation this place
was being relentlessly moderated by that impediment. No one was exempt from his
malicious and twisted lies and false allegations, not to mention bone-headed
conclusions, except those who agreed with and stroked his ego. For you to
assert that FFL, of all places, was the best place to find a decent
conversation, is perverse if not simply bizarre.
It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, or make out of them, not the
people that propose them that I find interesting. What you do not like, skip
over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps all of us have had an idol
that did not live up to the image we pretended to ourselves that they were. In
the movement, even shortly after one started to get involved with TM, there
were strange warning signs something was amiss, and we would ignore it. The
main problem is human beings are never ever really a match for the ideals they
create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of a
much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation.
Funny, I wrote a post about this very thing to MJ. The big difference was I
made it personal, I used I a lot whereas you tend to keep things in the
abstract. Dry and brittle, a tad pedantic; I'm hoping you weren't a teacher or
professor in your working days - the class would have been on snooze fer sure.
Sorry, but it's true.
No, I was not a teacher or a professor, so no one had to fall asleep on my
account. I used to live next to a professor of engineering. He would come over
and talk for hours in a monotone. Most of the time, in 'person' I don't talk
that much. As for an 'I', you think you are a person. Too bad, what a loss.
Ho, ho, hee, hee, snort. That is fucking hilarious!! And thank you for that.
You have seriously missed the boat, lost the thread, stumbled off the platform.
There is no loss Xeno, you evidently misunderstood something when you became
enlightened or read the wrong book or misinterpreted some sage. There is no
too bad for living amid personhood. I can vouch for that. Whatever you have
lost, you need to find it again, and soon before you leave that body of yours.
It's all in the eye of the beholder, and it's 'eye', not eyes. POVs are not
interchangeable. I have not lost anything that is real. I lost a lot of other
stuff though. I could lose some more; it is a waste of time to seek what cannot
be found.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
You know Xeno, about 14 years ago 'Uncle Tantra' was like a giant to me, battling the TM-mov't and other cults. As all three of us are basically on the same page philosophically, I did learn a lot from him. But, as years of interaction showed he is not as perfect as I thought him to be. I guess we all are human. But, it's a fact that I learnt quite a number of valuable things from him. What I tried to explain is that his reaction when I was bounced, was almost brazen and callous. Some of his critiques about the TM-mov't a decade ago were well written and should be read by the people on the highest level in the mov't. It seemed, he began to slowly deterioriate mentally as years rolled by. Time is time, it eventually catches you, and you are history. By the way, don't you think MJ should start the_abyss group. The peak can be the north pole. The FairfieldLife the equator, and 'the abyss' the south pole. --- anartaxius@... wrote : Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true authfriend would root out various kinds of errors in what people wrote, she often did not see the forest for the trees, and did not expound much on what she actually knew about the subjects she was criticising were discussing. It was all dissection and no integration. If you go over Turq's posts for the last 10 years, you will find he also could provide clarity. Both Turq and authfriend tried made people look like idiots, and possibly some us were and still are. --- jason_green2@... wrote : Hey Xeno, it's me, moi, the old jedi_spock. Rick bounced me along with 'Dan firedman'. I never got yahoo to interfere in the freedom of speech here. It was Dan who did it. Rick didn't give me an opportunity to explain my POV. A few days later Rick kindly reinstated me. Thanks to Curtis who put in a good word to Rick. Looks like you too are becoming senile like Barry. It's these kind of errors that irritated authfriend. Tell you what, you and me, along with Salyavin, MJ, Curtis move over to the abyss. Let 'the abyss' be the mirror of fairfieldlife. Hell, I wish someone like gullible fool comes back and takes over the moderatership from Buck. Barry's posts were never designed to give people clarity. Barry's posts were designed to hurt people at the tender feeling level and make them look like idiots. There was a sadistic streak in his posts that befuddled people. --- anartaxius@... wrote : No, he doesn't appear to be a psychopath. If anything, I am closer to being one than him. His career path, and the people he lives with probably would not have worked out that way if he were a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to be ingratiating, they have an ability to make you like them. Turq does not seem to have that ability to create a fake, loving façade that will fool most people, if anything, he is the opposite, an acquired taste that many here cannot stomach. You were trying to get Yahoo to interfere with freedom of speech here, and Rick did not care for such a threat. But now of course, freedom of speech is curtailed, just in another direction, a bit more in the direction of insanty, as he gave moderation to the one here most infected with religion. Religious people tend not to enjoy free speech when it comes to their sacred cows. I think all people who believe in a religion are insane, so apparently you would fall into that category. But it is a limited insanity. For example, you might know how to make a good cup of coffee, and know precisely how to proceed to accomplish that and have other skills. But the human mind comes to a strange disconnect when it comes to religious beliefs. It is felt they must be protected and that somehow they are different from other beliefs. But all beliefs have one characteristic, they are a pretence to knowledge which one does not really have, and religious beliefs tend to be programmed into the mind at an early age where the mind is very plastic and vulnerable and gullible. It is a form of conditioning that results in a mechanical response to certain kinds of input later in life. A spiritual life is one in which those conditioned beliefs are unwound and are replaced by something you would never in a million years expect.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
None of us are perfect, and there does seem to be a narrowing of one's focus on certain things as we move into older age. I wasn't on FFL in the early days, but sniping back and forth did seem to be increasing, it's basically a lower brain function. Maharishi seemed to be in much better form when he was younger too. Each conversation has two sides. I cannot see that those that opposed Turq so vociferously here really acted much better or more intelligently. I cannot see that the Peak with its absurd discussions of crop circles etc., is a Peak of intelligence. The goal, if you will, is to have the extremes of existence all functioning within that existence, not as separated things. So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation, but there is a dark cloud of suppression overhead at the moment, and so far it has been what seems to be personally selective. It is the ideas and what you can learn from them, or make out of them, not the people that propose them that I find interesting. What you do not like, skip over or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps all of us have had an idol that did not live up to the image we pretended to ourselves that they were. In the movement, even shortly after one started to get involved with TM, there were strange warning signs something was amiss, and we would ignore it. The main problem is human beings are never ever really a match for the ideals they create. Still, we can sometimes extract value out of a much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation. From: jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2) You know Xeno, about 14 years ago 'Uncle Tantra' was like a giant to me, battling the TM-mov't and other cults. As all three of us are basically on the same page philosophically, I did learn a lot from him. But, as years of interaction showed he is not as perfect as I thought him to be. I guess we all are human. But, it's a fact that I learnt quite a number of valuable things from him. What I tried to explain is that his reaction when I was bounced, was almost brazen and callous. Some of his critiques about the TM-mov't a decade ago were well written and should be read by the people on the highest level in the mov't. It seemed, he began to slowly deterioriate mentally as years rolled by. Time is time, it eventually catches you, and you are history. By the way, don't you think MJ should start the_abyss group. The peak can be the north pole. The FairfieldLife the equator, and 'the abyss' the south pole. --- anartaxius@... wrote : Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true authfriend would root out various kinds of errors in what people wrote, she often did not see the forest for the trees, and did not expound much on what she actually knew about the subjects she was criticising were discussing. It was all dissection and no integration. If you go over Turq's posts for the last 10 years, you will find he also could provide clarity. Both Turq and authfriend tried made people look like idiots, and possibly some us were and still are. --- jason_green2@... wrote : Hey Xeno, it's me, moi, the old jedi_spock. Rick bounced me along with 'Dan firedman'. I never got yahoo to interfere in the freedom of speech here. It was Dan who did it. Rick didn't give me an opportunity to explain my POV. A few days later Rick kindly reinstated me. Thanks to Curtis who put in a good word to Rick. Looks like you too are becoming senile like Barry. It's these kind of errors that irritated authfriend. Tell you what, you and me, along with Salyavin, MJ, Curtis move over to the abyss. Let 'the abyss' be the mirror of fairfieldlife. Hell, I wish someone like gullible fool comes back and takes over the moderatership from Buck. Barry's posts were never designed to give people clarity. Barry's posts were designed to hurt people at the tender feeling level and make them look like idiots. There was a sadistic streak in his posts that befuddled people. --- anartaxius@... wrote : No, he doesn't appear to be a psychopath. If anything, I am closer to being one than him. His career path, and the people he lives with probably would not have worked out that way if he were a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to be ingratiating, they have an ability to make you like them. Turq does not seem to have that ability to create a fake, loving façade that will fool most people, if anything, he is the opposite, an acquired taste that many here cannot stomach. You were trying to get Yahoo to interfere with freedom of speech here, and Rick did not care for such a threat. But now of course, freedom of speech is curtailed, just in another direction, a bit more in the direction of insanty, as he gave moderation to the one here
