[FairfieldLife] Re: What fires terrorists? (Was: pbs video- look for it on the site- very good)

2005-07-11 Thread Robert Gimbel
---The suicidal terrorists, I believe are mentally ill, just as a 
person is who is suicidal; it is overpowering mood of hopeless 
despair; 
In this state of hopeless despair, and clinging to a 'cause' and 
relying on a dogma, becomes a veil for the deeper issue of 'morbid 
despair'.
Whatever the situation, which has been created in the societies 
where these people are feeling this kind of deep despair, needs to 
be addressed. 
The same was true in Japan at the end of WWII, and the suicidal 
pilots crashing thier planes into the ships. Again, there seems to 
be a pattern of dogma, and 'holier than thou' attitude.
More than just mental illness, I truely believe these people are 
pocessed with the demon of suicide (listening to a voice, which 
guides them to do this demonic deed). 
You will notice lately, that talk  of this angle, of demonic 
possession, has recently been in the news, as this so-called BTK 
killer, as well as the man who kidnapped and killed the people in 
Idaho, both have claimed to be listening to demons.
Not to give power to these forces, I think of this energy as 
just lower vibrations.   
Fear is the emotion that drives these forces, as well as lust, greed 
and power for the sake of power...


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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
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  --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
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   I think you are right. I have known several close
   friends as born 
   again bible thumpers. Eventually they calm down and
   become more open-minded.
  
  It all depends upon the sincerity and the
  authenticity of the seeker. Most fanticsfall 
  into this category, are seeking reassurance
  through conceptual certainty. People hold onto
  dogmas because it makes them feel certain that
  they are right.
 
 A long way off but nevertheless still a bit reminiscent 
 of Thursday's bombings. A terrorist must be
 pretty insecure to want or need to bomb people 
 into joining, which presumably, is their ultimate goal.
 Uns.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: What fires terrorists? (Was: pbs video- look for it on the site- very good)

2005-07-11 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I think you are right. I have known several close
   friends as born 
   again bible thumpers. Eventually they calm down and
   become more open-minded.
  
  It all depends upon the sincerity and the
  authenticity of the seeker. Most fanticsfall 
  into this category, are seeking reassurance
  through conceptual certainty. People hold onto
  dogmas because it makes them feel certain that
  they are right.
 
 A long way off but nevertheless still a bit reminiscent 
 of Thursday's bombings. A terrorist must be
 pretty insecure to want or need to bomb people 
 into joining, which presumably, is their ultimate goal.
 Uns.

No, not so far off. Thats the whole point.  
Fundamentalism is the enemy of Humanity, and the irony is that Bush 
and most of his cronies are fundamentalist Christians, and  Bin 
Laden et al are fundamentalist Muslims, with beliefs - on both 
sides - that under any other name , would be considered psychotic 
and fascist. When you believe your religion is superior, you 
naturally resort to arrogance, which, certainly in kali yug, 
ultimately leads to extreme violence.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What fires terrorists? (Was: pbs video- look for it on the site- very good)

2005-07-11 Thread Peter Sutphen
They're no iller than another human walking around
convinced that they are absolutely right.

--- Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ---The suicidal terrorists, I believe are mentally
 ill, just as a 
 person is who is suicidal; it is overpowering mood
 of hopeless 
 despair; 
 In this state of hopeless despair, and clinging to a
 'cause' and 
 relying on a dogma, becomes a veil for the deeper
 issue of 'morbid 
 despair'.
 Whatever the situation, which has been created in
 the societies 
 where these people are feeling this kind of deep
 despair, needs to 
 be addressed. 
 The same was true in Japan at the end of WWII, and
 the suicidal 
 pilots crashing thier planes into the ships. Again,
 there seems to 
 be a pattern of dogma, and 'holier than thou'
 attitude.
 More than just mental illness, I truely believe
 these people are 
 pocessed with the demon of suicide (listening to a
 voice, which 
 guides them to do this demonic deed). 
 You will notice lately, that talk  of this angle, of
 demonic 
 possession, has recently been in the news, as this
 so-called BTK 
 killer, as well as the man who kidnapped and killed
 the people in 
 Idaho, both have claimed to be listening to demons.
 Not to give power to these forces, I think of this
 energy as 
 just lower vibrations.   
 Fear is the emotion that drives these forces, as
 well as lust, greed 
 and power for the sake of power...
 
 
  In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
 Sutphen 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
   --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote: 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick
 Archer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think you are right. I have known several
 close
friends as born 
again bible thumpers. Eventually they calm
 down and
become more open-minded.
   
   It all depends upon the sincerity and the
   authenticity of the seeker. Most fanticsfall
 
   into this category, are seeking reassurance
   through conceptual certainty. People hold onto
   dogmas because it makes them feel certain that
   they are right.
  
  A long way off but nevertheless still a bit
 reminiscent 
  of Thursday's bombings. A terrorist must be
  pretty insecure to want or need to bomb people 
  into joining, which presumably, is their ultimate
 goal.
  Uns.
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: What fires terrorists? (Was: pbs video- look for it on the site- very good)

2005-07-11 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
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 They're no iller than another human walking around
 convinced that they are absolutely right.
 

Just curious. Where do you place your views on the implied scale?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What fires terrorists? (Was: pbs video- look for it on the site- very good)

2005-07-11 Thread Peter Sutphen


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  They're no iller than another human walking around
  convinced that they are absolutely right.
  
 
 Just curious. Where do you place your views on the
 implied scale?

Scales? what color are yours?



 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: What fires terrorists? (Was: pbs video- look for it on the site- very good)

2005-07-11 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
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 --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
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   They're no iller than another human walking around
   convinced that they are absolutely right.
   
  
  Just curious. Where do you place your views on the
  implied scale?
 
 Scales? what color are yours?

haha, irridescently celestial. Actually, I was thinking I saw an
implied scale due to my prominent reptilan brain. 

On a scale of 1-10, with 
1 = Arjuna clouded with doubt on the battle field, and 
10 = convinced that one is absolutely right

I had sort of guessed you viewed yourself as a 15. :) But I thought I
would ask to get confirmation.




 








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What fires terrorists? (Was: pbs video- look for it on the site- very good)

2005-07-11 Thread Peter Sutphen


--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
 Sutphen
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They're no iller than another human walking
 around
convinced that they are absolutely right.

   
   Just curious. Where do you place your views on
 the
   implied scale?
  
  Scales? what color are yours?
 
 haha, irridescently celestial. Actually, I was
 thinking I saw an
 implied scale due to my prominent reptilan brain. 
 
 On a scale of 1-10, with 
 1 = Arjuna clouded with doubt on the battle field,
 and 
 10 = convinced that one is absolutely right
 
 I had sort of guessed you viewed yourself as a 15.
 :) But I thought I
 would ask to get confirmation.

Boy, I really come off so unlike as I actually am. A
15? What a pain in the ass I must be ! I'm 10 when I
speak and the moment I stop speaking I'm 0. The 0 and
10 have no relationship to one another. 



 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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