Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-31 Thread Bhairitu
shempmcgurk wrote:
>
> I used to think that the flat tax would be the way.
>
> However, now the "thing" is the fair tax, which is: elimination of 
> individual income tax, all payroll tax, and corporate tax...and 
> replace it with a value-added tax.
>
> No filling out income tax forms each year.
A lot of countries (including India) have a VAT.  What are the arguments 
against it?




[FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-31 Thread Richard J. Williams
Bhairitu wrote:
> ...we should tax the rich more and people 
> under $250K less.
> 
So you're in favor of a progressive income tax.

> that is to have another revolution and start 
> over again just as Jefferson suggested.
>
So, you're in favor of overturning the federal
government through revolution, but you're in
favor of payroll taxes? This deosn't even make
any sense. 

Maybe you should turn yourself in to the 
authorities at the California State Hospital
at Atascadero. 

> I have a CPA do my taxes
>
For a 1040 EZ?

> ...have another revolution and start over 
> again just as Jefferson suggested.
>
Better yet, turn yourself in to the FBI before 
they come to arrest you! 

"This attack ad now being aired by 527 
independent groups is going to shake up a lot 
of people who didn't know about Obama's 
friendship with former Weatherman Bill Ayers. 
I think it's far more damaging to Obama than 
Rev. Wright."

Read more:

'Bill Ayers. Get used to the name. You'll be 
hearing it for the next 67 days'
Posted by Chris Reed
San Diego Union-Tribune, August 29, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/6rcsen



[FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> shempmcgurk wrote:
> >
> > Reread what I wrote, Bhairitu: I said $38,000 in TAXABLE income.  
> > There are NO deductions to taxable income...this is a figure that 
is 
> > arrived at AFTER deductions are taken.  So for the example in 
> > question the person would probably have ADJUSTED GROSS income, 
say, 
> > of $46,000 and then have deductions.
> >
> > Do you know what taxable income is?
> Sorry I missed that but you are making a good case why we should 
tax the 
> rich more and people under $250K less.  :D
> 
> I have a CPA do my taxes and I barely understand her worksheet.   I 
> think it is an abomination that every citizen of this country has 
to 
> practically be an accountant to not get screwed on taxes.   We need 
to 
> redo the whole tax code and simplify it.  But I think the only way 
to do 
> that is to have another revolution and start over again just as 
> Jefferson suggested.
>

I used to think that the flat tax would be the way.

However, now the "thing" is the fair tax, which is: elimination of 
individual income tax, all payroll tax, and corporate tax...and 
replace it with a value-added tax.

No filling out income tax forms each year.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-31 Thread Bhairitu
shempmcgurk wrote:
>
> Reread what I wrote, Bhairitu: I said $38,000 in TAXABLE income.  
> There are NO deductions to taxable income...this is a figure that is 
> arrived at AFTER deductions are taken.  So for the example in 
> question the person would probably have ADJUSTED GROSS income, say, 
> of $46,000 and then have deductions.
>
> Do you know what taxable income is?
Sorry I missed that but you are making a good case why we should tax the 
rich more and people under $250K less.  :D

I have a CPA do my taxes and I barely understand her worksheet.   I 
think it is an abomination that every citizen of this country has to 
practically be an accountant to not get screwed on taxes.   We need to 
redo the whole tax code and simplify it.  But I think the only way to do 
that is to have another revolution and start over again just as 
Jefferson suggested.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> shempmcgurk wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
> >   
> >>
> >> I think you're wrong...the democrats want a 1cent increase in the
> >> sales tax across the board, that affects everybody,and is bad for
> >> business. We already have one of the highest sales tax across 
the 
> >> 
> > country.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ...and your income tax rates aren't that pretty, either.
> >
> > This is the marginal tax rate that a single, self-employed 
taxpayer 
> > reaches once he has about $38,000 in taxable income:
> >
> > 25.0%   Marginal Federal Income tax
> > 15.3%   Payroll tax (FICA)
> > 08.0%   Marginal California Income tax
> > -
> > 48.3%   TOTAL
> >
> > ...and I'm probably leaving out a few little taxes that you have 
> > which not living in California I am not aware of.
> >
> > Thus, BillyG, once earning a measly $38,000 (which isn't alot) a 
self-
> > employed single taxpayer is essentially giving half of every 
dollar 
> > he earns at this point to various governments and he keeps half 
(and 
> > we haven't even factored in property taxes because property taxes 
> > aren't levied on income).
> >
> > Where is the incentive to work?
> >   
> To eat?  To not live under a bridge?  Of course finding a job in 
> California is not an easy trick either.
> 
> There were proposals on the State Assembly floor to modestly 
increase 
> taxes on the rich and corporations.  The 1 cent sales tax increase 
has 
> been bandied about for a while.  I don't keep up that much on the 
> badminton games or the circus in Sacramento.
> 
> Someone making $38K a year in California would not be rich by any 
> means.  And self employed they can probably come up with enough 
> deductions to pay very little tax overall.
>


Reread what I wrote, Bhairitu: I said $38,000 in TAXABLE income.  
There are NO deductions to taxable income...this is a figure that is 
arrived at AFTER deductions are taken.  So for the example in 
question the person would probably have ADJUSTED GROSS income, say, 
of $46,000 and then have deductions.

Do you know what taxable income is?



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-31 Thread Bhairitu
shempmcgurk wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>>
>> I think you're wrong...the democrats want a 1cent increase in the
>> sales tax across the board, that affects everybody,and is bad for
>> business. We already have one of the highest sales tax across the 
>> 
> country.
>
>
>
>
>
> ...and your income tax rates aren't that pretty, either.
>
> This is the marginal tax rate that a single, self-employed taxpayer 
> reaches once he has about $38,000 in taxable income:
>
> 25.0%   Marginal Federal Income tax
> 15.3%   Payroll tax (FICA)
> 08.0%   Marginal California Income tax
> -
> 48.3%   TOTAL
>
> ...and I'm probably leaving out a few little taxes that you have 
> which not living in California I am not aware of.
>
> Thus, BillyG, once earning a measly $38,000 (which isn't alot) a self-
> employed single taxpayer is essentially giving half of every dollar 
> he earns at this point to various governments and he keeps half (and 
> we haven't even factored in property taxes because property taxes 
> aren't levied on income).
>
> Where is the incentive to work?
>   
To eat?  To not live under a bridge?  Of course finding a job in 
California is not an easy trick either.

There were proposals on the State Assembly floor to modestly increase 
taxes on the rich and corporations.  The 1 cent sales tax increase has 
been bandied about for a while.  I don't keep up that much on the 
badminton games or the circus in Sacramento.

Someone making $38K a year in California would not be rich by any 
means.  And self employed they can probably come up with enough 
deductions to pay very little tax overall.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > BillyG. wrote:
> > >
> > > The Republicans are holding the line *against* new taxes in 
California
> > > and getting pounded in the media for it, although 
Swartzenseems
> > > like nothing but a R.I.N.O. IMO.
> > >   
> > The "new" taxes would be on wealthier Californians and 
corporations 
> > anyway.  Not to an extent they can't handle.  This is a very 
corrupt 
> > state in that big business also runs state government and seems 
to have 
> > a history of doing so since the capital moved to Sacramento (due 
to a 
> > wealthy benefactor). 
> 
> I think you're wrong...the democrats want a 1cent increase in the
> sales tax across the board, that affects everybody,and is bad for
> business. We already have one of the highest sales tax across the 
country.





...and your income tax rates aren't that pretty, either.

This is the marginal tax rate that a single, self-employed taxpayer 
reaches once he has about $38,000 in taxable income:

25.0%   Marginal Federal Income tax
15.3%   Payroll tax (FICA)
08.0%   Marginal California Income tax
-
48.3%   TOTAL

...and I'm probably leaving out a few little taxes that you have 
which not living in California I am not aware of.

Thus, BillyG, once earning a measly $38,000 (which isn't alot) a self-
employed single taxpayer is essentially giving half of every dollar 
he earns at this point to various governments and he keeps half (and 
we haven't even factored in property taxes because property taxes 
aren't levied on income).

Where is the incentive to work?





> 
> > 
> > BTW, I'll put up with earthquakes over hurricanes any day.
> >
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-31 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > BillyG. wrote:
> > >
> > > The Republicans are holding the line *against* new taxes in 
> California
> > > and getting pounded in the media for it, although Swartzenseems
> > > like nothing but a R.I.N.O. IMO.
> > >  
> 
>  
> > The "new" taxes would be on wealthier Californians and corporations 
> > anyway.  Not to an extent they can't handle.  This is a very corrupt 
> > state in that big business also runs state government and seems to 
> have 
> > a history of doing so since the capital moved to Sacramento (due to a 
> > wealthy benefactor). 
> > 
> > BTW, I'll put up with earthquakes over hurricanes any day.
> >
> 
> *
> 
> Actually, the proposed small tax increase for very high income people 
> has been dead for some time. The latest Republican rejection was of a 
> regressive tax increase, a one cent increase in the sales tax: 
> Democrats wanted a three year one cent increase; Republicans would only 
> go along if there was a sales tax reduction from today's level after 
> that temporary three years increase:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/5jmub7
> * Agrees for a temporary three year sales tax increase of 1 cent, as 
> proposed by the Governor, but rejects the other parts of the Governor's 
> proposal that would lower that tax after three years.
> 
> CDCAN Comment: The change in the Governor's plan, which would have 
> reduced the overall sales tax after three years, may lose the possible 
> vote of Republican Sen. Roy Ashburn who said earlier that he could 
> possibly support a sales tax increase if it resulted in a reduction - 
> as the Governor's plan did. The Senate Democratic revised plan 
> eliminates the reduction and only proposes a 3 year temporary increase -
>  a proposal that Republicans in both houses have strongly opposed.

California is like a microcosm of the Country, you have big bloated
bureaucracies unwilling to give even an inch and call a decrease in
their 'increased'  budget a *cut*!! These bureaucracies (especially
the LAUSD, teachers Union) are controlled by Democrats!

Promising the tax payers a temporary tax increase is like a alcoholic
saying he wants just "one more drink", that's ridiculous!!! and more
Democrat lies. Palin may be able to shake up these monopolies,
something Obama will be unwilling to touch, change? HA, HA, HA!  GMAB!



[FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-31 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> BillyG. wrote:
> >
> > The Republicans are holding the line *against* new taxes in California
> > and getting pounded in the media for it, although Swartzenseems
> > like nothing but a R.I.N.O. IMO.
> >   
> The "new" taxes would be on wealthier Californians and corporations 
> anyway.  Not to an extent they can't handle.  This is a very corrupt 
> state in that big business also runs state government and seems to have 
> a history of doing so since the capital moved to Sacramento (due to a 
> wealthy benefactor). 

I think you're wrong...the democrats want a 1cent increase in the
sales tax across the board, that affects everybody,and is bad for
business. We already have one of the highest sales tax across the country.

> 
> BTW, I'll put up with earthquakes over hurricanes any day.
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-30 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> BillyG. wrote:
> >
> > The Republicans are holding the line *against* new taxes in 
California
> > and getting pounded in the media for it, although Swartzenseems
> > like nothing but a R.I.N.O. IMO.
> >  

 
> The "new" taxes would be on wealthier Californians and corporations 
> anyway.  Not to an extent they can't handle.  This is a very corrupt 
> state in that big business also runs state government and seems to 
have 
> a history of doing so since the capital moved to Sacramento (due to a 
> wealthy benefactor). 
> 
> BTW, I'll put up with earthquakes over hurricanes any day.
>

*

Actually, the proposed small tax increase for very high income people 
has been dead for some time. The latest Republican rejection was of a 
regressive tax increase, a one cent increase in the sales tax: 
Democrats wanted a three year one cent increase; Republicans would only 
go along if there was a sales tax reduction from today's level after 
that temporary three years increase:

http://tinyurl.com/5jmub7
* Agrees for a temporary three year sales tax increase of 1 cent, as 
proposed by the Governor, but rejects the other parts of the Governor's 
proposal that would lower that tax after three years.

CDCAN Comment: The change in the Governor's plan, which would have 
reduced the overall sales tax after three years, may lose the possible 
vote of Republican Sen. Roy Ashburn who said earlier that he could 
possibly support a sales tax increase if it resulted in a reduction - 
as the Governor's plan did. The Senate Democratic revised plan 
eliminates the reduction and only proposes a 3 year temporary increase -
 a proposal that Republicans in both houses have strongly opposed. 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-30 Thread Bhairitu
BillyG. wrote:
>
> The Republicans are holding the line *against* new taxes in California
> and getting pounded in the media for it, although Swartzenseems
> like nothing but a R.I.N.O. IMO.
>   
The "new" taxes would be on wealthier Californians and corporations 
anyway.  Not to an extent they can't handle.  This is a very corrupt 
state in that big business also runs state government and seems to have 
a history of doing so since the capital moved to Sacramento (due to a 
wealthy benefactor). 

BTW, I'll put up with earthquakes over hurricanes any day.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-30 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
> >
> > At first I balked, but after hearing her acceptance speech I was
> > immediately on board. She's totally genuine with conservative
> > principles AND even if the McCain ticket looses in November (God
> > forbid) the Republicans can be proud of their outstanding choice. 
> I'm
> > proud to be a registered Republican!!  :-)
> > 
> > Below is the McCain/Palin/Republican platform:
> > 
> > http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/
> >
> 
> 
> I am not a registered Republican -- and I can't be because I'm not a 
> citizen -- but even if I were able to vote, I wouldn't be a 
> Republican because they almost as bad as the Democrats when it comes 
> to spending and social programs. They are tax-and-spend Republicans 
> and McCain is as bad as they come.
> 
> But this Sarah Palin is a god-send...she's almost TOO perfect.  I 
> haven't found myself as excited about politics as I am today.
> 
> If McCain if elected, he should assign her to do the job of cutting 
> the federal budget, just as she did in Alaska.  Give her this special 
> portfolio.
> 
> You know, in Canada under then-Finance Minister Paul Martin and then 
> when he became Prime Minister Martin, he not only balanced the 
> Canadian budget but he created a surplus every year that continues to 
> this day, even after his defeat and retirement.
> 
> If the Canadians can do it, so too can the Americans!

The Republicans are holding the line *against* new taxes in California
and getting pounded in the media for it, although Swartzenseems
like nothing but a R.I.N.O. IMO.

You're right about Palin, she is kind of Reaganisk and might have the
popularity he did to push thru reform and shakes things up, unlike
Obama who is standing up for nothing *BUT* the status quo!!  :-(



[FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-29 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At first I balked, but after hearing her acceptance speech I was
> immediately on board. She's totally genuine with conservative
> principles AND even if the McCain ticket looses in November (God
> forbid) the Republicans can be proud of their outstanding choice. 
I'm
> proud to be a registered Republican!!  :-)
> 
> Below is the McCain/Palin/Republican platform:
> 
> http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/
>


I am not a registered Republican -- and I can't be because I'm not a 
citizen -- but even if I were able to vote, I wouldn't be a 
Republican because they almost as bad as the Democrats when it comes 
to spending and social programs. They are tax-and-spend Republicans 
and McCain is as bad as they come.

But this Sarah Palin is a god-send...she's almost TOO perfect.  I 
haven't found myself as excited about politics as I am today.

If McCain if elected, he should assign her to do the job of cutting 
the federal budget, just as she did in Alaska.  Give her this special 
portfolio.

You know, in Canada under then-Finance Minister Paul Martin and then 
when he became Prime Minister Martin, he not only balanced the 
Canadian budget but he created a surplus every year that continues to 
this day, even after his defeat and retirement.

If the Canadians can do it, so too can the Americans!



[FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-29 Thread jyouells2000

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" rick@ wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of do.rflex
> > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 4:40 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a
> Republican!! :-)
> > was Make that...
> >
> >
> >
> > I think BillyG took his lead from an unabashedly patriotic Charlie
> > Lutes who [I believe] was a Republican and who [I know] was somewhat
> > of homophobe. He often referred to gays as being 'light in the
> > loafers'. Two lesbians got up and left in tears from one of his
> > lectures I attended after he made some derogatory comments about gay
> > people.
> >
> > Or from MMY, who was supportive of Nixon during the Watergate years,
> and who
> > told the Amherst SCI Symposium, in the presence of General Davis,
> that if
> > your enemy has the bomb, you should get a bigger bomb. He seems to
have
> > wised up in his later years, with his condemnation of Bush.
>
> I can confirm that statement by MMY, as I have heard it from a friend
> of mine who also made that exact statement!  That was back when MMY
> was speaking more like a Yogi.  He made more sense to me in those
days.
>

MAD was an effective response to an impossible situation, for quite a
while.

Maharishi was certainly not worried about hurting peoples' feelings. He
dissed about 10,000 teachers and the entire British empire with a great
deal of gusto.


JohnY





RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-29 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of BillyG.
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 5:30 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-)
was Make that...

 

> Or from MMY, who was supportive of Nixon during the Watergate years,
and who
> told the Amherst SCI Symposium, in the presence of General Davis,
that if
> your enemy has the bomb, you should get a bigger bomb. (snip) I can
confirm that statement by MMY, as I have heard it from a friend
of mine who also made that exact statement! 

So can I 'cause I was there.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-29 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of do.rflex
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 4:40 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a
Republican!! :-)
> was Make that...
> 
>  
> 
> I think BillyG took his lead from an unabashedly patriotic Charlie
> Lutes who [I believe] was a Republican and who [I know] was somewhat
> of homophobe. He often referred to gays as being 'light in the
> loafers'. Two lesbians got up and left in tears from one of his
> lectures I attended after he made some derogatory comments about gay
> people.
> 
> Or from MMY, who was supportive of Nixon during the Watergate years,
and who
> told the Amherst SCI Symposium, in the presence of General Davis,
that if
> your enemy has the bomb, you should get a bigger bomb. He seems to have
> wised up in his later years, with his condemnation of Bush.

I can confirm that statement by MMY, as I have heard it from a friend
of mine who also made that exact statement!  That was back when MMY
was speaking more like a Yogi.  He made more sense to me in those days.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-29 Thread Bhairitu
Rick Archer wrote:
> Or from MMY, who was supportive of Nixon during the Watergate years, and who
> told the Amherst SCI Symposium, in the presence of General Davis, that if
> your enemy has the bomb, you should get a bigger bomb. He seems to have
> wised up in his later years, with his condemnation of Bush.
And I remember the TMO saying glowing things about Reagan when he took 
office and that's when I really decided the movement was run by a bunch 
of goofballs.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-29 Thread Bhairitu
do.rflex wrote:
> -
> I think BillyG took his lead from an unabashedly patriotic Charlie
> Lutes who [I believe] was a Republican and who [I know] was somewhat
> of homophobe. He often referred to gays as being 'light in the
> loafers'. Two lesbians got up and left in tears from one of his
> lectures I attended after he made some derogatory comments about gay
> people.
The other night I watched the HBO movie "Recount" on DVD.  This was the 
critically praised movie about the Florida 2000 election recount.  It 
reminded me so poignantly of how demonic the Bush supporters and the 
Karl Rove operatives were on that occasion.  Rove is still unleashing 
his evil in this world.  We will undoubtedly see more of his crap in the 
next two months.  Maybe we'll be lucky though and he'll choke to death 
on a pretzel (or someone's dick).



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-29 Thread Bhairitu
BillyG. wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> BillyG. wrote:
>> 
>>> At first I balked, but after hearing her acceptance speech I was
>>> immediately on board. She's totally genuine with conservative
>>> principles AND even if the McCain ticket looses in November (God
>>> forbid) the Republicans can be proud of their outstanding choice. I'm
>>> proud to be a registered Republican!!  :-)
>>>
>>> Below is the McCain/Palin/Republican platform:
>>>
>>> http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/
>>>   
>> You're kidding, right?  If not I would like to know why you vote 
>> Republican?  Seems to be a dissonant choice for someone so
>> 
> interested in 
>   
>> meditation and eastern philosophy.
>> 
>
> Evil, in all of its forms, must be eliminated, (or stood up to)
> whether it is in oneself or the environment in which you live. This is
> true spiritual duty, and the essence of the Bhagavad Gita; standing up
> to the evil Kuravas (sense tendencies of the kama rupa, desire body)
> in oneself and also taking a position of 'righteous duty' (dharma)
> against the evil tendencies in the World. 
>
> WWII is a great example of  where America was an especially heroic
> Country and truly lived up to its Dharma or righteous duty!
Then you must live in an alternate universe.  Look at what the 
Republicans have wrought in the last 8 years.  If anything they are the 
"evil ones."  To me, Bush, Cheney and the neocons are superb examples of 
rakshasas which by modern Hindi definition means "wicked person."  They 
are now willing to risk nuclear war with Russia in order to maintain US 
hegemony.  They do not have the support of the American people in this 
activity (certainly not those who are rational).  I would suggest you 
read the writing of a Republican who served in the Reagan White House, 
Paul Craig Roberts, whose articles I link to here on this group.  He is 
not a fan of what the Republican Party has become and especially not a 
fan of the Bush administration.

Your opinion is indeed VERY NAIVE.  But you are welcome to be as naive 
and stupid as you want in this world as well as suffer the consequences 
for it.




RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-29 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of do.rflex
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 4:40 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-)
was Make that...

 

I think BillyG took his lead from an unabashedly patriotic Charlie
Lutes who [I believe] was a Republican and who [I know] was somewhat
of homophobe. He often referred to gays as being 'light in the
loafers'. Two lesbians got up and left in tears from one of his
lectures I attended after he made some derogatory comments about gay
people.

Or from MMY, who was supportive of Nixon during the Watergate years, and who
told the Amherst SCI Symposium, in the presence of General Davis, that if
your enemy has the bomb, you should get a bigger bomb. He seems to have
wised up in his later years, with his condemnation of Bush.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-29 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> BillyG. wrote:
> > At first I balked, but after hearing her acceptance speech I was
> > immediately on board. She's totally genuine with conservative
> > principles AND even if the McCain ticket looses in November (God
> > forbid) the Republicans can be proud of their outstanding choice. I'm
> > proud to be a registered Republican!!  :-)
> >
> > Below is the McCain/Palin/Republican platform:
> >
> > http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/
> You're kidding, right?  If not I would like to know why you vote 
> Republican?  Seems to be a dissonant choice for someone so
interested in 
> meditation and eastern philosophy.

Evil, in all of its forms, must be eliminated, (or stood up to)
whether it is in oneself or the environment in which you live. This is
true spiritual duty, and the essence of the Bhagavad Gita; standing up
to the evil Kuravas (sense tendencies of the kama rupa, desire body)
in oneself and also taking a position of 'righteous duty' (dharma)
against the evil tendencies in the World. 

WWII is a great example of  where America was an especially heroic
Country and truly lived up to its Dharma or righteous duty!




[FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-29 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
> > >
> > > At first I balked, but after hearing her acceptance speech I was
> > > immediately on board. She's totally genuine with conservative
> > > principles AND even if the McCain ticket looses in November (God
> > > forbid) the Republicans can be proud of their outstanding
choice. I'm
> > > proud to be a registered Republican!!  :-)
> > > 
> > > Below is the McCain/Palin/Republican platform:
> > > 
> > > http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/
> > 
> > 
> > McCain is 72, the oldest presidential candidate in history. He has a
> > history with cancer and reportedly [and observably] has frequent
> > 'senior moments'. McCain is two years older than his father was when
> > he died suddenly of a heart attack at 70. His grandfather died of a
> > heart attack at 61.
> > 
> > Sarah Palin has been governor of a low population state [670,053 in
> > 2006] for 18 months and before that she was a mayor of a town of less
> > than 8000 people. Is she qualified on a national or international
> > level to be president in case McCain kicks the bucket?
> 
> She has as much or more experience than Obama who's on the top of the
> Dem ticket!!


Hardly.

---Two years in the U.S. Senate. Seven years in the Illinois Senate.
One loss in a primary election for the U.S. House of Representatives.

Obama's experience is broader than his time in elected office. He was
a community organizer in Chicago and led voter-registration drives. He
taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago. He lived for a
time in Indonesia, a Muslim country. He has traveled to the Middle
East, Africa and Iraq.

"He has lived abroad and has relatives who are certainly not your
Mayflower Americans and understands different cultures," Dillard says.
"Many presidents with foreign-policy experience have not lived
firsthand the type of life that Barack has."

USA TODAY: http://tinyurl.com/3xjseb






[FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-29 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> BillyG. wrote:
> > At first I balked, but after hearing her acceptance speech I was
> > immediately on board. She's totally genuine with conservative
> > principles AND even if the McCain ticket looses in November (God
> > forbid) the Republicans can be proud of their outstanding choice. I'm
> > proud to be a registered Republican!!  :-)
> >
> > Below is the McCain/Palin/Republican platform:
> >
> > http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/


> You're kidding, right?  If not I would like to know why you vote 
> Republican?  Seems to be a dissonant choice for someone so
interested in 
> meditation and eastern philosophy.


I think BillyG took his lead from an unabashedly patriotic Charlie
Lutes who [I believe] was a Republican and who [I know] was somewhat
of homophobe. He often referred to gays as being 'light in the
loafers'. Two lesbians got up and left in tears from one of his
lectures I attended after he made some derogatory comments about gay
people.












[FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-29 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
> >
> > At first I balked, but after hearing her acceptance speech I was
> > immediately on board. She's totally genuine with conservative
> > principles AND even if the McCain ticket looses in November (God
> > forbid) the Republicans can be proud of their outstanding choice. I'm
> > proud to be a registered Republican!!  :-)
> > 
> > Below is the McCain/Palin/Republican platform:
> > 
> > http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/
> 
> 
> McCain is 72, the oldest presidential candidate in history. He has a
> history with cancer and reportedly [and observably] has frequent
> 'senior moments'. McCain is two years older than his father was when
> he died suddenly of a heart attack at 70. His grandfather died of a
> heart attack at 61.
> 
> Sarah Palin has been governor of a low population state [670,053 in
> 2006] for 18 months and before that she was a mayor of a town of less
> than 8000 people. Is she qualified on a national or international
> level to be president in case McCain kicks the bucket?

She has as much or more experience than Obama who's on the top of the
Dem ticket!!




[FairfieldLife] Re: Yep-And a proud day to be a Republican!! :-) was Make that...

2008-08-29 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At first I balked, but after hearing her acceptance speech I was
> immediately on board. She's totally genuine with conservative
> principles AND even if the McCain ticket looses in November (God
> forbid) the Republicans can be proud of their outstanding choice. I'm
> proud to be a registered Republican!!  :-)
> 
> Below is the McCain/Palin/Republican platform:
> 
> http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/


McCain is 72, the oldest presidential candidate in history. He has a
history with cancer and reportedly [and observably] has frequent
'senior moments'. McCain is two years older than his father was when
he died suddenly of a heart attack at 70. His grandfather died of a
heart attack at 61.

Sarah Palin has been governor of a low population state [670,053 in
2006] for 18 months and before that she was a mayor of a town of less
than 8000 people. Is she qualified on a national or international
level to be president in case McCain kicks the bucket?