[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
Thanks for your feedback Card. The word praNava gets various mentions by Guru
Dev - he uses it referring to 'OM' quotes from Panchadashi 4.62. Also,
Maharishi himself also uses the word 'pranava', in the 'Beacon Light of the
Himalayas' publication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote:
Interesting connection, thanks Card.
I wonder, do you know of any specific occasions when the word 'praNava' was
used in a Scripture when it was definitely not referring to 'AUM'?
I don't think I've ever encountered that word except in the
yoga-suutra I 27:
tasya vaacakaH praNavaH
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote:
What do you think about the 'praNava' Card? What is the etymological
base of this word? People take it to mean 'OM' or 'AUM' but as I
understand it, it means 'humming', the sound of life.
It seems to be derived from the verb 'praNu'
1 praNu [...] to roar , bellow , sound , reverberate RV. AV. ; P.
%{-Nau}. %{ti} , to make a humming or droning sound ; (esp.) to utter the
syllable %{om} Br. ChUp. S3rS.
1 praNavasee %{pra-Nu}.
2 praNava [...] the mystical or sacred syllable %{om} VS. TS.
S3Br. Mn. (ifc. also %{-ka}) c. (%{-tva} n. Ra1matUp.) ; a kind of small
drum or tabor = (and prob. w.r. for) %{paNana} L. [...]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems
to be 'agni' backwards.
In my understanding the main purpose
of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff.
So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses
the direction of the messages, heh...
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote:
Thanks for your feedback Card. The word praNava gets various mentions by Guru
Dev - he uses it referring to 'OM' quotes from Panchadashi 4.62. Also,
Maharishi himself also uses the word 'pranava', in the 'Beacon Light of the
Himalayas' publication.
I found an interesting explanation for the word 'praNava'
in atharvashikhaa-upanishad:
praaNaansarvaanparamaatmani praNaanayatiityetasmaatpraNavaH .
I posted my analysis on that shloka, or whatever, but
it probably didn't appear here. I might try again later...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote:
Interesting connection, thanks Card.
I wonder, do you know of any specific occasions when the word 'praNava'
was used in a Scripture when it was definitely not referring to 'AUM'?
I don't think I've ever encountered that word except in the
yoga-suutra I 27:
tasya vaacakaH praNavaH
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@
wrote:
What do you think about the 'praNava' Card? What is the etymological
base of this word? People take it to mean 'OM' or 'AUM' but as I
understand it, it means 'humming', the sound of life.
It seems to be derived from the verb 'praNu'
1 praNu [...] to roar , bellow , sound , reverberate RV. AV. ; P.
%{-Nau}. %{ti} , to make a humming or droning sound ; (esp.) to utter
the syllable %{om} Br. ChUp. S3rS.
1praNavasee %{pra-Nu}.
2 praNava [...] the mystical or sacred syllable %{om} VS. TS.
S3Br. Mn. (ifc. also %{-ka}) c. (%{-tva} n. Ra1matUp.) ; a kind of
small drum or tabor = (and prob. w.r. for) %{paNana} L. [...]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems
to be 'agni' backwards.
In my understanding the main purpose
of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff.
So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses
the direction of the messages, heh...
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
do you know of any specific occasions when the word 'praNava' was used in a Scripture when it was definitely not referring to 'AUM'? Erik: I don't think I've ever encountered that word except in the yoga-suutra I 27: The Hindu religious symbol 'OM' is a *place-holder*, the 'pranava', for the bija mantra, used in tantrism. It is more of a salutation to Pure Consciousness than a mantra, as explained in Sankara's Anandalahari. It is not, in itself, a 'bija' mantra. OM isn't found in the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, nor in the Rig Veda or in any of the major Upanishads commented on by the Adi Shankara. Soundarya Lahari: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundarya_Lahari However, the mono-syllable 'AUM' is delineated in the Mandukhya Upanishad with a famous Karika by Gaudapadacharya. In that scripture is described the various states of consciousness, using the 'AUM' as an acronym, leading to the fourth state of consciousness, termed the 'turiya' in Sanskrit. This has all been explained by the Maharishi: 'Seven States of Consciousness' By Maharishi Mahesh Yogi http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/seven_states.htm The Mandukhya Upanishad is the keystone in the arch of Shankara's Adwaita Vedanta. The scripture was made famous by Gaudapadacharya, the teacher of the teacher of Shankara. Gaudapada composed a famous Karika or commentary on Mundakhya, and Shankara composed a commentary on both, for our understanding. Excerpt from Mandukya Karika: Duality is only an appearance; non-duality is the real truth. The object exists as an object for the knowing subject; but it does not exist outside of consciousness because the distinction of subject and object is within consciousness (IV 25-27) Sharma). Source: 'A Critical Survey of Indian Philosophy' by Chandrahar Sharma, M.A., D. Phil., D. Litt., LL.B., Shastri, Dept. of Phil., Benares Hindu U. Rider, 1960 p. 245-246. Anyone who knows this is sure to construct this whole world and to become also its destruction (Olivelle 288-289). Translation: 'The Upanishads' Translated by Patrick Olivelle, Ph.D. Oxford World's Classics http://tinyurl.com/558mg Dr. Patrick Olivelle, the translator, is the Chair, Department of Asian Studies, and Director, Center for Asian Studies, at the University of Texas at Austin. Department of Asian Studies: http://asnic.utexas.edu/asnic/olivelle/ Read more on Usenet: Thread: Seven States Subject: Maharishi's Ontology Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Author: Willytex Date: Jan 31 2005 http://tinyurl.com/2pznf8
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
Paul, do you ever go visit any of the tantrics that reside in the Indian
community in London? You'll probably have to sort out the real one
from the fakes but the real ones would be happy to answer your questions
about mantra shastra.
Premanand wrote:
Thanks for your feedback Card. The word praNava gets various mentions by Guru
Dev - he uses it referring to 'OM' quotes from Panchadashi 4.62. Also,
Maharishi himself also uses the word 'pranava', in the 'Beacon Light of the
Himalayas' publication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote:
Interesting connection, thanks Card.
I wonder, do you know of any specific occasions when the word 'praNava' was
used in a Scripture when it was definitely not referring to 'AUM'?
I don't think I've ever encountered that word except in the
yoga-suutra I 27:
tasya vaacakaH praNavaH
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote:
What do you think about the 'praNava' Card? What is the etymological base
of this word? People take it to mean 'OM' or 'AUM' but as I understand
it, it means 'humming', the sound of life.
It seems to be derived from the verb 'praNu'
1 praNu [...] to roar , bellow , sound , reverberate RV. AV. ; P.
%{-Nau}. %{ti} , to make a humming or droning sound ; (esp.) to utter the
syllable %{om} Br. ChUp. S3rS.
1 praNavasee %{pra-Nu}.
2 praNava [...] the mystical or sacred syllable %{om} VS. TS. S3Br. Mn.
(ifc. also %{-ka}) c. (%{-tva} n. Ra1matUp.) ; a kind of small drum or
tabor = (and prob. w.r. for) %{paNana} L. [...]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems
to be 'agni' backwards.
In my understanding the main purpose
of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff.
So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses
the direction of the messages, heh...
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
Bhairitu: Paul, do you ever go visit any of the tantrics that reside in the Indian community in London? You'll probably have to sort out the real one from the fakes but the real ones would be happy to answer your questions about mantra shastra. I don't think so: mantra shastra and tantra are esoteric systems and not revealed to the general public. Most folks wouldn't want anyone to know that they are 'left-handed' basket weavers - it's kind of personal, you know what I mean?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
WillyTex wrote: Bhairitu: Paul, do you ever go visit any of the tantrics that reside in the Indian community in London? You'll probably have to sort out the real one from the fakes but the real ones would be happy to answer your questions about mantra shastra. I don't think so: mantra shastra and tantra are esoteric systems and not revealed to the general public. Most folks wouldn't want anyone to know that they are 'left-handed' basket weavers - it's kind of personal, you know what I mean? Tantrics openly advertise in Indian newpapers and magazines. They usually ply their trade as astrologers. Many of the Indian astrologers are tantrics. And though the actual teaching is kept secret to preserve it's shakti the theory is openly discussed. But the theory takes on greater depth with experience. The stuff that card and Paul are poking around about can easily be answered by such people. First one has to deprogram themselves of the hype over Brahmananda Saraswati that Maharishi created.
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
Bhairitu: Tantrics openly advertise in Indian newpapers and magazines. They usually ply their trade as astrologers. We are not talking about 'neo-tantra' of the sort advertised in newspapers and magazines like the Daily Mail. Many of the Indian astrologers are tantrics. You're probably not going to be able to learn anything about 'Vamacharya' Tantrism from them, whether they are astrologers or not. It's just not something you're going to learn about in downtown London. And though the actual teaching is kept secret to preserve it's shakti the theory is openly discussed. Get a book and you can read all about the Shiva and Shakti theory, but that won't get you an initation into the secrets of Sri Vidya tantrism - it's more of a family secret. But the theory takes on greater depth with experience. Kashmir Tantrism is based on experience, but the last acharya lives in Los Angeles. The stuff that card and Paul are poking around about can easily be answered by such people. They'd probably be the last ones to learn any tantric secrets! First one has to deprogram themselves of the hype over Brahmananda Saraswati that Maharishi created. Most everyone agrees that Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was one of the most adept tantric yogis in modern India. He belonged to one of the most famous and prestigous tantric sects in all Bharat! You already have the Knowledge of the Supreme Awakening: All you have to do now is the simple transcending. Read more: Subject: Self Realization in Kashmere Shaivism Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Author: Willytex Date: November 3, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/yazxzly
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
WillyTex wrote: Bhairitu: Tantrics openly advertise in Indian newpapers and magazines. They usually ply their trade as astrologers. We are not talking about 'neo-tantra' of the sort advertised in newspapers and magazines like the Daily Mail. No I'm not talking about neo-tantra which you'll find in Marin County and advertising in the Open Exchange published in the Bay Area. I am talking about real tantra. Get your facts straight. Here we have several Indian newspapers and magazines. The astrologers and readers advertise on a page or two. I also know a woman Sufi-tantric who does readings and has very powerful shaktipat. She is authentic. Many of the Indian astrologers are tantrics. You're probably not going to be able to learn anything about 'Vamacharya' Tantrism from them, whether they are astrologers or not. It's just not something you're going to learn about in downtown London. Bullshit Willy. Why do you persist in this crap! You don't know shit! I study with a tantric as you well know. I have also met tantrics in India. I know the fucking difference and you don't. I also have a swami title that my guru bestowed on me after I passed a number of tests. I haven't done much with it because like many Americans I'm busy just staying afloat in this shitty economy. And though the actual teaching is kept secret to preserve it's shakti the theory is openly discussed. Get a book and you can read all about the Shiva and Shakti theory, but that won't get you an initation into the secrets of Sri Vidya tantrism - it's more of a family secret. Who cares? Village tantra simple and easy to learn. Very well fitted for the busy westerner. No academic masturbation to navigate either. It is extremely powerful. I don't think many people could handle anything more powerful. But the theory takes on greater depth with experience. Kashmir Tantrism is based on experience, but the last acharya lives in Los Angeles. All tantra is based on experience, Willy. Books read before one is initiated read differently after. What authentic books on tantra published has things implied between the lines.
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
What do you think about the 'praNava' Card? What is the etymological base of this word? People take it to mean 'OM' or 'AUM' but as I understand it, it means 'humming', the sound of life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems to be 'agni' backwards. In my understanding the main purpose of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff. So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses the direction of the messages, heh...
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
i think if you say or hear om properly you will be hearing or saying the hum of life. you could also think it properly and experience the source of life... agni -inga aing aima shyama shiring shreem kring and so on -whatever- the point is yoga the sutras of patanjali and bhagavad gita mention om as the source of all sounds and extol its use, the other bijas, tantric gods to fetch favor, maharishi thought were better because of course god and the founder of yoga needed his holiness to straighten things out, ha...like jesus needs a pope freakin ignorant... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: What do you think about the 'praNava' Card? What is the etymological base of this word? People take it to mean 'OM' or 'AUM' but as I understand it, it means 'humming', the sound of life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems to be 'agni' backwards. In my understanding the main purpose of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff. So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses the direction of the messages, heh...
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote:
What do you think about the 'praNava' Card? What is the etymological base of
this word? People take it to mean 'OM' or 'AUM' but as I understand it, it
means 'humming', the sound of life.
It seems to be derived from the verb 'praNu'
1 praNu [...] to roar , bellow , sound , reverberate RV. AV. ; P. %{-Nau}.
%{ti} , to make a humming or droning sound ; (esp.) to utter the syllable %{om}
Br. ChUp. S3rS.
1praNavasee %{pra-Nu}.
2 praNava [...] the mystical or sacred syllable %{om} VS. TS. S3Br. Mn.
(ifc. also %{-ka}) c. (%{-tva} n. Ra1matUp.) ; a kind of small drum or tabor =
(and prob. w.r. for) %{paNana} L. [...]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems
to be 'agni' backwards.
In my understanding the main purpose
of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff.
So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses
the direction of the messages, heh...
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
Interesting connection, thanks Card.
I wonder, do you know of any specific occasions when the word 'praNava' was
used in a Scripture when it was definitely not referring to 'AUM'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote:
What do you think about the 'praNava' Card? What is the etymological base
of this word? People take it to mean 'OM' or 'AUM' but as I understand it,
it means 'humming', the sound of life.
It seems to be derived from the verb 'praNu'
1 praNu [...] to roar , bellow , sound , reverberate RV. AV. ; P. %{-Nau}.
%{ti} , to make a humming or droning sound ; (esp.) to utter the syllable
%{om} Br. ChUp. S3rS.
1 praNavasee %{pra-Nu}.
2 praNava [...] the mystical or sacred syllable %{om} VS. TS. S3Br. Mn.
(ifc. also %{-ka}) c. (%{-tva} n. Ra1matUp.) ; a kind of small drum or tabor
= (and prob. w.r. for) %{paNana} L. [...]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems
to be 'agni' backwards.
In my understanding the main purpose
of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff.
So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses
the direction of the messages, heh...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
The sad problem with TM'ers is most never strayed far from the extremely limited teachings of MMY (or yoga lite as I call it). I swear he learned early on the white folks were just damn too stupid or ignorant to give much knowledge to and when he did they would SO misunderstand it as to get it backwards. However other teachers such as Sivananda didn't seem to have this problem. He had white folks followers and I often kick myself that so many times in the 1980s I was killing time in Spokane, Washington. If I had know one of his disciples lived there and wrote a book on mantras I would have contacted her. Sivananda and Devananda share much on the subject of mantra shastra (at least info that can be made so public). It is interesting to note that Om is considered a mantra for use for vata imbalances (though Ram is more frequently used). It has a grounding influence and that is why it precedes mantras. As I've mentioned here before I once read in a book by an Indian whose father was a guru and who he described as being like a baby who had to be attended by his devotees (and most likely by his son). He had a section on TM which he seemed to be familiar with. He noted the lack of Omkara in the techniques and said that he felt it was making TM'ers uncentered which I think is true. Depending on the physiology of the individual this may or may not arise. It probably would not in people who are kapha but terribly in people who are vata. In fact most people I know who had problems with TM have been vata or pitta in nature. I live in the SF Bay Area and there are quite a few Indians in the communities around here. Many of the Indians who run shops around here are ex-engineers who wanted to work for themselves. They are of Brahman caste and know a lot about mantras, pujas, etc. They always revile at the idea of mantras being given without Omkara and think the idea that Om will make someone impoverished is nonsense. They may say that Om by itself might do that and keep in mind what happens as one becomes more kapha. Having walked away from TM 25 years ago I am now enjoying the instruction of a tantric samrat who resides in the Bay Area and has taught me much about simple village tantra where is none of the intellectual masturbation that accompanies so many teachings to obscure things. His teaching includes mantra shastra, a guru mantra and powerful tantric siddhis (one very useful for shutting up yappers in movie theaters). nadarrombus wrote: i think if you say or hear om properly you will be hearing or saying the hum of life. you could also think it properly and experience the source of life... agni -inga aing aima shyama shiring shreem kring and so on -whatever- the point is yoga the sutras of patanjali and bhagavad gita mention om as the source of all sounds and extol its use, the other bijas, tantric gods to fetch favor, maharishi thought were better because of course god and the founder of yoga needed his holiness to straighten things out, ha...like jesus needs a pope freakin ignorant... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: What do you think about the 'praNava' Card? What is the etymological base of this word? People take it to mean 'OM' or 'AUM' but as I understand it, it means 'humming', the sound of life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems to be 'agni' backwards. In my understanding the main purpose of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff. So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses the direction of the messages, heh...
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
The Srimad Bhagavatam recognizes Om to be a powerful mantra. But it also warns that the mantra can make you poor in the relative sense, as MMY taught. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: The sad problem with TM'ers is most never strayed far from the extremely limited teachings of MMY (or yoga lite as I call it). I swear he learned early on the white folks were just damn too stupid or ignorant to give much knowledge to and when he did they would SO misunderstand it as to get it backwards. However other teachers such as Sivananda didn't seem to have this problem. He had white folks followers and I often kick myself that so many times in the 1980s I was killing time in Spokane, Washington. If I had know one of his disciples lived there and wrote a book on mantras I would have contacted her. Sivananda and Devananda share much on the subject of mantra shastra (at least info that can be made so public). It is interesting to note that Om is considered a mantra for use for vata imbalances (though Ram is more frequently used). It has a grounding influence and that is why it precedes mantras. As I've mentioned here before I once read in a book by an Indian whose father was a guru and who he described as being like a baby who had to be attended by his devotees (and most likely by his son). He had a section on TM which he seemed to be familiar with. He noted the lack of Omkara in the techniques and said that he felt it was making TM'ers uncentered which I think is true. Depending on the physiology of the individual this may or may not arise. It probably would not in people who are kapha but terribly in people who are vata. In fact most people I know who had problems with TM have been vata or pitta in nature. I live in the SF Bay Area and there are quite a few Indians in the communities around here. Many of the Indians who run shops around here are ex-engineers who wanted to work for themselves. They are of Brahman caste and know a lot about mantras, pujas, etc. They always revile at the idea of mantras being given without Omkara and think the idea that Om will make someone impoverished is nonsense. They may say that Om by itself might do that and keep in mind what happens as one becomes more kapha. Having walked away from TM 25 years ago I am now enjoying the instruction of a tantric samrat who resides in the Bay Area and has taught me much about simple village tantra where is none of the intellectual masturbation that accompanies so many teachings to obscure things. His teaching includes mantra shastra, a guru mantra and powerful tantric siddhis (one very useful for shutting up yappers in movie theaters). nadarrombus wrote: i think if you say or hear om properly you will be hearing or saying the hum of life. you could also think it properly and experience the source of life... agni -inga aing aima shyama shiring shreem kring and so on -whatever- the point is yoga the sutras of patanjali and bhagavad gita mention om as the source of all sounds and extol its use, the other bijas, tantric gods to fetch favor, maharishi thought were better because of course god and the founder of yoga needed his holiness to straighten things out, ha...like jesus needs a pope freakin ignorant... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote: What do you think about the 'praNava' Card? What is the etymological base of this word? People take it to mean 'OM' or 'AUM' but as I understand it, it means 'humming', the sound of life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems to be 'agni' backwards. In my understanding the main purpose of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff. So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses the direction of the messages, heh...
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: The Srimad Bhagavatam recognizes Om to be a powerful mantra. But it also warns that the mantra can make you poor in the relative sense, as MMY taught. As I recall, what he said about Om was that it's a mantra for recluses, that it facilitates withdrawal from the world--very effective for the recluse, but exactly the opposite of what a householder needs. One of the effects of that could be poverty, in that one simply isn't able to function effectively enough to make a living. But it could also lead one to withdraw from one's family, etc., etc.--any activities that require involvement in the world would be weakened.
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote:
Interesting connection, thanks Card.
I wonder, do you know of any specific occasions when the word 'praNava' was
used in a Scripture when it was definitely not referring to 'AUM'?
I don't think I've ever encountered that word except in the
yoga-suutra I 27:
tasya vaacakaH praNavaH
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote:
What do you think about the 'praNava' Card? What is the etymological base
of this word? People take it to mean 'OM' or 'AUM' but as I understand
it, it means 'humming', the sound of life.
It seems to be derived from the verb 'praNu'
1 praNu [...] to roar , bellow , sound , reverberate RV. AV. ; P. %{-Nau}.
%{ti} , to make a humming or droning sound ; (esp.) to utter the syllable
%{om} Br. ChUp. S3rS.
1praNavasee %{pra-Nu}.
2 praNava [...] the mystical or sacred syllable %{om} VS. TS. S3Br. Mn.
(ifc. also %{-ka}) c. (%{-tva} n. Ra1matUp.) ; a kind of small drum or
tabor = (and prob. w.r. for) %{paNana} L. [...]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems
to be 'agni' backwards.
In my understanding the main purpose
of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff.
So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses
the direction of the messages, heh...
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
for everyone in Utopia Park we can count TM meditators who are very rich, amoungst the richest people in the world today TM meditators are enlightened, more than other meditators and their proven karma of uplighting and pacifying their environs is without parallel --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nadarrombus royboyun...@... wrote: read the gita- it claims om for the tm technique not any other mantras. wonder why you are un-enlightend? maharishi claims it will cause householders poverty etc... ha ha -look at what his mantras have done to his followers- wow... utopia park, lol... who do you believe the translator maharishi, unqualified unless you just take his word for it, or the actual texts translated by scholars and unbiased individuals...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
I bet a lot of them were born with silver spoons. If TM made us rich there would be a lot more rich folks than the bunch in Utopia Park. shukra69 wrote: for everyone in Utopia Park we can count TM meditators who are very rich, amoungst the richest people in the world today TM meditators are enlightened, more than other meditators and their proven karma of uplighting and pacifying their environs is without parallel --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nadarrombus royboyun...@... wrote: read the gita- it claims om for the tm technique not any other mantras. wonder why you are un-enlightend? maharishi claims it will cause householders poverty etc... ha ha -look at what his mantras have done to his followers- wow... utopia park, lol... who do you believe the translator maharishi, unqualified unless you just take his word for it, or the actual texts translated by scholars and unbiased individuals...
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems to be 'agni' backwards. In my understanding the main purpose of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff. So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses the direction of the messages, heh...
