Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source?
Maharishi chose to use a subset of the mantras that are available,.presumably because his intuition said it was a sufficiently large subset to be useful. Upcoming research on TM using advanced EEG analysis should help make it more clear what it means to be useful. In the meantime, the TM organization is apparently embracing Alaric Arenander's idea that TM centers should start to do public demos of EEG coherence as part of introductory lectures on TM. Here's the main excerpt of the Maharishi Global Family Chat presentation he made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyITv-rIDzklist=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyITv-rIDzklist=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA The EEG shown in the video looks to be pretty darned unusual. Certainly, looking at the EEG described in papers published about other meditation practices, it is inescapable to conclude that the EEG found in long-term TMers and long-term practitioners of other techniques are as different as night and day with respect to what starts to show up the longer one has been practicing the various techniques. TM really IS different than other practices that have been studied, with respect to EEG. TM researchers aren't able to get guys like Dietrich Lehmann and Roberto Pascual-Marqui to participate (or so the rumor goes) in multiple EEG studies on advanced TMers because they're excessively charismatic or something. These guys are teh very tip-top in their field. If these guys decide to study something, it is because they think it is interesting and unusual, both. http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/index/members/lehmann/cv11.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/index/members/lehmann/cv11.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/loreta.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/loreta.htm L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Did I not say that beej mantras are commonly used in astrology not to mention ayurveda? But few westerners had penetrated that information back with MMY started TM. Funny thing it is not uncommon to find that people's names start with the sound associated with their birth star (nakshatra) even if they are westerners and their parents knew nothing about astrology. As Graffitiswami might say: Go figure. On 03/30/2014 07:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: The comments section is well worth reading, esp the long one from John: http://www.wildmind.org/mantras/figures/tm http://www.wildmind.org/mantras/figures/tm The origin of the TM Bija mantras (seed sounds) are to be found in the so called “Hoda Chakra” which is printed and reprinted in virtually all the published astrological almanachs in India. The Hoda Chakra lists 108 seed sounds, each one allotted to the 4 padas of the 27 star constellations (Nakshatras).All this is well known in India. Mostly it is used in the selection of Names,based on the Moon’s position in a particular Nakshatra Pada. In an advanced version of the TM, this astrological information (position of the Moon at birth) is used also for selecting the seed sounds.Actually, what is known and practiced as the TM is part of the a large and complex system. Perhaps less than 1% of this has filtered through the contemporary TM movement.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source?
Lawson, I think we all get it that you're a TM science junkie, and that you believe that the science says it all when it comes to TM. Well, as you've noticed, not everyone on this forum (including many long-term TMers) thinks that the TM science is solid enough to prove much of anything. The point I am making lately is that you seem unaware of a more pressing criterion that people use when evaluating non-stop claims about the TM science. That is, what IS it that motivates someone to do it non-stop? Judging from your own posts here, what YOU seem to see as one of your primary ways to have fun is to try to start arguments about TM and its supposed science on Reddit and on other Internet forums. When these threads you post as argument-starters don't pan out the way you want them to, you tend to come back here to FFL and beg other people to go to these other forums to join in. Doesn't this strike you as somewhat...uh...ODD behavior for a grown man? Doesn't it strike you as a bit...uh...fanatical? Doesn't it make you wonder about the person whose life seems to revolve around doing this, when there are so many other things to do with life? Doesn't it make you wonder about the claims that TM helps to make a person more well-rounded or balanced in life? Hint: the TM science ain't ever gonna prove diddley-squat if the people presenting it over and over and over and over and over in an obviously compulsive manner come across as cult fanatics. People are going to be tempted to weigh the messenger as much as they weigh the message. And in my opinion, they should. From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source? Maharishi chose to use a subset of the mantras that are available,.presumably because his intuition said it was a sufficiently large subset to be useful. Upcoming research on TM using advanced EEG analysis should help make it more clear what it means to be useful. In the meantime, the TM organization is apparently embracing Alaric Arenander's idea that TM centers should start to do public demos of EEG coherence as part of introductory lectures on TM. Here's the main excerpt of the Maharishi Global Family Chat presentation he made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyITv-rIDzklist=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA The EEG shown in the video looks to be pretty darned unusual. Certainly, looking at the EEG described in papers published about other meditation practices, it is inescapable to conclude that the EEG found in long-term TMers and long-term practitioners of other techniques are as different as night and day with respect to what starts to show up the longer one has been practicing the various techniques. TM really IS different than other practices that have been studied, with respect to EEG. TM researchers aren't able to get guys like Dietrich Lehmann and Roberto Pascual-Marqui to participate (or so the rumor goes) in multiple EEG studies on advanced TMers because they're excessively charismatic or something. These guys are teh very tip-top in their field. If these guys decide to study something, it is because they think it is interesting and unusual, both. http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/index/members/lehmann/cv11.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/loreta.htm L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Did I not say that beej mantras are commonly used in astrology not to mention ayurveda? But few westerners had penetrated that information back with MMY started TM. Funny thing it is not uncommon to find that people's names start with the sound associated with their birth star (nakshatra) even if they are westerners and their parents knew nothing about astrology. As Graffitiswami might say: Go figure. On 03/30/2014 07:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: The comments section is well worth reading, esp the long one from John: http://www.wildmind.org/mantras/figures/tm The origin of the TM Bija mantras (seed sounds) are to be found in the so called “Hoda Chakra” which is printed and reprinted in virtually all the published astrological almanachs in India. The Hoda Chakra lists 108 seed sounds, each one allotted to the 4 padas of the 27 star constellations (Nakshatras).All this is well known in India. Mostly it is used in the selection of Names,based on the Moon’s position in a particular Nakshatra Pada. In an advanced version of the TM, this astrological information (position of the Moon at birth) is used also for selecting the seed sounds.Actually, what is known and practiced as the TM is part of the a large and complex system. Perhaps less than 1% of this has filtered through the contemporary TM movement.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source?
Barry seems to be fantasizing that Lawson is a continuous presence on FFL, when in fact he only drops in once in a while for relatively short visits. As to starting discussions elsewhere and then inviting FFLers to participate, he's done that exactly twice that I can recall. As to whether the above behavior conveys nonstop fanaticism to anyone but Barry, I'll leave that for others to decide. Lawson, I think we all get it that you're a TM science junkie, and that you believe that the science says it all when it comes to TM. Well, as you've noticed, not everyone on this forum (including many long-term TMers) thinks that the TM science is solid enough to prove much of anything. The point I am making lately is that you seem unaware of a more pressing criterion that people use when evaluating non-stop claims about the TM science. That is, what IS it that motivates someone to do it non-stop? Judging from your own posts here, what YOU seem to see as one of your primary ways to have fun is to try to start arguments about TM and its supposed science on Reddit and on other Internet forums. When these threads you post as argument-starters don't pan out the way you want them to, you tend to come back here to FFL and beg other people to go to these other forums to join in. Doesn't this strike you as somewhat...uh...ODD behavior for a grown man? Doesn't it strike you as a bit...uh...fanatical? Doesn't it make you wonder about the person whose life seems to revolve around doing this, when there are so many other things to do with life? Doesn't it make you wonder about the claims that TM helps to make a person more well-rounded or balanced in life? Hint: the TM science ain't ever gonna prove diddley-squat if the people presenting it over and over and over and over and over in an obviously compulsive manner come across as cult fanatics. People are going to be tempted to weigh the messenger as much as they weigh the message. And in my opinion, they should. From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source? Maharishi chose to use a subset of the mantras that are available,.presumably because his intuition said it was a sufficiently large subset to be useful. Upcoming research on TM using advanced EEG analysis should help make it more clear what it means to be useful. In the meantime, the TM organization is apparently embracing Alaric Arenander's idea that TM centers should start to do public demos of EEG coherence as part of introductory lectures on TM. Here's the main excerpt of the Maharishi Global Family Chat presentation he made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyITv-rIDzklist=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyITv-rIDzklist=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA The EEG shown in the video looks to be pretty darned unusual. Certainly, looking at the EEG described in papers published about other meditation practices, it is inescapable to conclude that the EEG found in long-term TMers and long-term practitioners of other techniques are as different as night and day with respect to what starts to show up the longer one has been practicing the various techniques. TM really IS different than other practices that have been studied, with respect to EEG. TM researchers aren't able to get guys like Dietrich Lehmann and Roberto Pascual-Marqui to participate (or so the rumor goes) in multiple EEG studies on advanced TMers because they're excessively charismatic or something. These guys are teh very tip-top in their field. If these guys decide to study something, it is because they think it is interesting and unusual, both. http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/index/members/lehmann/cv11.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/index/members/lehmann/cv11.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/loreta.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/loreta.htm L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Did I not say that beej mantras are commonly used in astrology not to mention ayurveda? But few westerners had penetrated that information back with MMY started TM. Funny thing it is not uncommon to find that people's names start with the sound associated with their birth star (nakshatra) even if they are westerners and their parents knew nothing about astrology. As Graffitiswami might say: Go figure. On 03/30/2014 07:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: The comments section is well worth reading, esp the long one from John: http://www.wildmind.org/mantras/figures/tm http://www.wildmind.org/mantras/figures/tm The origin of the TM Bija mantras (seed sounds) are to be found in the so called “Hoda Chakra” which is printed and reprinted in virtually all the published astrological almanachs in India. The Hoda Chakra lists 108 seed sounds, each one allotted to the 4 padas of the 27 star
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Lawson, I think we all get it that you're a TM science junkie, and that you believe that the science says it all when it comes to TM. Well, as you've noticed, not everyone on this forum (including many long-term TMers) thinks that the TM science is solid enough to prove much of anything. And this is reason to be verbally abusive even if it were true? Get a grip, you ass. The point I am making lately is that you seem unaware of a more pressing criterion that people use when evaluating non-stop claims about the TM science. That is, what IS it that motivates someone to do it non-stop? Are you so unaware that you are incapable of holding a civilized conversation with anyone you don't agree with? Lighten up and talk like a human being with an ounce of manners. Judging from your own posts here, what YOU seem to see as one of your primary ways to have fun is to try to start arguments about TM and its supposed science on Reddit and on other Internet forums. When these threads you post as argument-starters don't pan out the way you want them to, you tend to come back here to FFL and beg other people to go to these other forums to join in. Bawwy's a spin doctor who's a quack. Doesn't this strike you as somewhat...uh...ODD behavior for a grown man? Doesn't it strike you as a bit...uh...fanatical? Doesn't it make you wonder about the person whose life seems to revolve around doing this, when there are so many other things to do with life? Doesn't it make you wonder about the claims that TM helps to make a person more well-rounded or balanced in life? Don't you ever wonder why you have to try and belittle everyone by using the same old insults? Fuck off. Hint: the TM science ain't ever gonna prove diddley-squat if the people presenting it over and over and over and over and over in an obviously compulsive manner come across as cult fanatics. People are going to be tempted to weigh the messenger as much as they weigh the message. And in my opinion, they should. Your opinion might be worth considering if your primary purpose wasn't to shit on everyone with your infantile and, frankly, boring same old same old. When you can decide to get out the the giant rut that passes for your brain get back to me, okay? From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source? Maharishi chose to use a subset of the mantras that are available,.presumably because his intuition said it was a sufficiently large subset to be useful. Upcoming research on TM using advanced EEG analysis should help make it more clear what it means to be useful. In the meantime, the TM organization is apparently embracing Alaric Arenander's idea that TM centers should start to do public demos of EEG coherence as part of introductory lectures on TM. Here's the main excerpt of the Maharishi Global Family Chat presentation he made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyITv-rIDzklist=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyITv-rIDzklist=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA The EEG shown in the video looks to be pretty darned unusual. Certainly, looking at the EEG described in papers published about other meditation practices, it is inescapable to conclude that the EEG found in long-term TMers and long-term practitioners of other techniques are as different as night and day with respect to what starts to show up the longer one has been practicing the various techniques. TM really IS different than other practices that have been studied, with respect to EEG. TM researchers aren't able to get guys like Dietrich Lehmann and Roberto Pascual-Marqui to participate (or so the rumor goes) in multiple EEG studies on advanced TMers because they're excessively charismatic or something. These guys are teh very tip-top in their field. If these guys decide to study something, it is because they think it is interesting and unusual, both. http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/index/members/lehmann/cv11.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/index/members/lehmann/cv11.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/loreta.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/loreta.htm L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Did I not say that beej mantras are commonly used in astrology not to mention ayurveda? But few westerners had penetrated that information back with MMY started TM. Funny thing it is not uncommon to find that people's names start with the sound associated with their birth star (nakshatra) even if they are westerners and their parents knew nothing about astrology. As Graffitiswami might say: Go figure. On 03/30/2014 07:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: The comments section is well worth reading, esp the long one from John: http://www.wildmind.org/mantras
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source?
That is, what IS it that motivates someone to do it non-stop? This is funny - Barry is supposedly writing science articles for his relatives, so he can pay the rent. But the question is one for sociology or psychology. LoL! On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:42 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Lawson, I think we all get it that you're a TM science junkie, and that you believe that the science says it all when it comes to TM. Well, as you've noticed, not everyone on this forum (including many long-term TMers) thinks that the TM science is solid enough to prove much of anything. The point I am making lately is that you seem unaware of a more pressing criterion that people use when evaluating non-stop claims about the TM science. That is, what IS it that motivates someone to do it non-stop? Judging from your own posts here, what YOU seem to see as one of your primary ways to have fun is to try to start arguments about TM and its supposed science on Reddit and on other Internet forums. When these threads you post as argument-starters don't pan out the way you want them to, you tend to come back here to FFL and beg other people to go to these other forums to join in. Doesn't this strike you as somewhat...uh...ODD behavior for a grown man? Doesn't it strike you as a bit...uh...fanatical? Doesn't it make you wonder about the person whose life seems to revolve around doing this, when there are so many other things to do with life? Doesn't it make you wonder about the claims that TM helps to make a person more well-rounded or balanced in life? Hint: the TM science ain't ever gonna prove diddley-squat if the people presenting it over and over and over and over and over in an obviously compulsive manner come across as cult fanatics. People are going to be tempted to weigh the messenger as much as they weigh the message. And in my opinion, they should. -- *From:* lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:32 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source? Maharishi chose to use a subset of the mantras that are available,.presumably because his intuition said it was a sufficiently large subset to be useful. Upcoming research on TM using advanced EEG analysis should help make it more clear what it means to be useful. In the meantime, the TM organization is apparently embracing Alaric Arenander's idea that TM centers should start to do public demos of EEG coherence as part of introductory lectures on TM. Here's the main excerpt of the Maharishi Global Family Chat presentation he made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyITv-rIDzklist=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA The EEG shown in the video looks to be pretty darned unusual. Certainly, looking at the EEG described in papers published about other meditation practices, it is inescapable to conclude that the EEG found in long-term TMers and long-term practitioners of other techniques are as different as night and day with respect to what starts to show up the longer one has been practicing the various techniques. TM really IS different than other practices that have been studied, with respect to EEG. TM researchers aren't able to get guys like Dietrich Lehmann and Roberto Pascual-Marqui to participate (or so the rumor goes) in multiple EEG studies on advanced TMers because they're excessively charismatic or something. These guys are teh very tip-top in their field. If these guys decide to study something, it is because they think it is interesting and unusual, both. http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/index/members/lehmann/cv11.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/loreta.htm L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Did I not say that beej mantras are commonly used in astrology not to mention ayurveda? But few westerners had penetrated that information back with MMY started TM. Funny thing it is not uncommon to find that people's names start with the sound associated with their birth star (nakshatra) even if they are westerners and their parents knew nothing about astrology. As Graffitiswami might say: Go figure. On 03/30/2014 07:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: The comments section is well worth reading, esp the long one from John: http://www.wildmind.org/mantras/figures/tm The origin of the TM Bija mantras (seed sounds) are to be found in the so called Hoda Chakra which is printed and reprinted in virtually all the published astrological almanachs in India. The Hoda Chakra lists 108 seed sounds, each one allotted to the 4 padas of the 27 star constellations (Nakshatras).All this is well known in India. Mostly it is used in the selection of Names,based on the Moon's position in a particular Nakshatra Pada. In an advanced version of the TM, this astrological information (position of the Moon at birth) is used also for selecting the seed sounds.Actually, what
[FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source?
The comments section is well worth reading, esp the long one from John: http://www.wildmind.org/mantras/figures/tm The origin of the TM Bija mantras (seed sounds) are to be found in the so called “Hoda Chakra” which is printed and reprinted in virtually all the published astrological almanachs in India. The Hoda Chakra lists 108 seed sounds, each one allotted to the 4 padas of the 27 star constellations (Nakshatras).All this is well known in India. Mostly it is used in the selection of Names,based on the Moon’s position in a particular Nakshatra Pada. In an advanced version of the TM, this astrological information (position of the Moon at birth) is used also for selecting the seed sounds.Actually, what is known and practiced as the TM is part of the a large and complex system. Perhaps less than 1% of this has filtered through the contemporary TM movement.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source?
Did I not say that beej mantras are commonly used in astrology not to mention ayurveda? But few westerners had penetrated that information back with MMY started TM. Funny thing it is not uncommon to find that people's names start with the sound associated with their birth star (nakshatra) even if they are westerners and their parents knew nothing about astrology. As Graffitiswami might say: Go figure. On 03/30/2014 07:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: The comments section is well worth reading, esp the long one from John: http://www.wildmind.org/mantras/figures/tm The origin of the TM Bija mantras (seed sounds) are to be found in the so called “Hoda Chakra” which is printed and reprinted in virtually all the published astrological almanachs in India. The Hoda Chakra lists 108 seed sounds, each one allotted to the 4 padas of the 27 star constellations (Nakshatras).All this is well known in India. Mostly it is used in the selection of Names,based on the Moon’s position in a particular Nakshatra Pada. In an advanced version of the TM, this astrological information (position of the Moon at birth) is used also for selecting the seed sounds.Actually, what is known and practiced as the TM is part of the a large and complex system. Perhaps less than 1% of this has filtered through the contemporary TM movement.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source?
On 3/30/2014 9:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: The comments section is well worth reading, esp the long one from John: Not. Initially, (in the early 1960?s) there were only two TM mantras, “Ram” for males, and “Shiriram” for females. There are now around 16 of them, as well as some “advanced” mantras, such as “shri shri aing namah namah.” These mantras invoke the names of Hindu deities. This is incorrect: the first two TM bija mantras were Ram and Shyam in 1955. Also, as I have pointed out numerous times, you only get one single bija mantra when you learn TM or advanced TM. Bija mantras by definition have no semantic meaning - the phrase shri and namah are Sanskrit words, not bija mantras. http://www.wildmind.org/mantras/figures/tm The origin of the TM Bija mantras (seed sounds) are to be found in the so called “Hoda Chakra” The TM bija mantras are first enumerated in the Sri Chakra, the symbol of the Absolute in the Sri Vidya tradition and in the Trika of Kashmir Tantrism. Apparently the Hoda Chakra was composed in the 18th century. It has already been established that the origin of TM bija mantras is the Sri Vidya tradition of Shankara at Sringeri, of which SBS was an initiate. Read more: Auspicious Wisdom: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/srividya.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source?
On 3/30/2014 9:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: In an advanced version of the TM, this astrological information (position of the Moon at birth) is used also for selecting the seed sounds. This is probably incorrect as well - I don't recall Jerry Jarvis looking up my moon at birth in an ephemeris when I got the basic and first advanced technique. Actually, what is known and practiced as the TM is part of the a large and complex system. Perhaps less than 1% of this has filtered through the contemporary TM movement. Basic TM is pretty simple and not very complex and probably 99% of the contemporary TM movement know all about MMY Jyotish and MMY Ayerveda.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source?
You need to study the Mantramahodhi of Madhidara though you probably need a guru to understand it. Otherwise we'll be seeing more graffiti from Graffitiswami on FFL. On 03/30/2014 09:52 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 3/30/2014 9:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: In an advanced version of the TM, this astrological information (position of the Moon at birth) is used also for selecting the seed sounds. This is probably incorrect as well - I don't recall Jerry Jarvis looking up my moon at birth in an ephemeris when I got the basic and first advanced technique. Actually, what is known and practiced as the TM is part of the a large and complex system. Perhaps less than 1% of this has filtered through the contemporary TM movement. Basic TM is pretty simple and not very complex and probably 99% of the contemporary TM movement know all about MMY Jyotish and MMY Ayerveda.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source?
On 3/30/2014 1:51 PM, Bhairitu wrote: You need to study the Mantramahodhi of Madhidara though you probably need a guru to understand it. Why would I be wanting to study the Mantramahodi of Madhidara, even with a guru? It sounds complicated. Otherwise we'll be seeing more graffiti from Graffitiswami on FFL. In TM, all you get is one single bija mantra. So, how many bija mantras does one need in order to attain enlightenment? On 03/30/2014 09:52 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 3/30/2014 9:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: In an advanced version of the TM, this astrological information (position of the Moon at birth) is used also for selecting the seed sounds. This is probably incorrect as well - I don't recall Jerry Jarvis looking up my moon at birth in an ephemeris when I got the basic and first advanced technique. Actually, what is known and practiced as the TM is part of the a large and complex system. Perhaps less than 1% of this has filtered through the contemporary TM movement. Basic TM is pretty simple and not very complex and probably 99% of the contemporary TM movement know all about MMY Jyotish and MMY Ayerveda.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source?
On 03/30/2014 01:09 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 3/30/2014 1:51 PM, Bhairitu wrote: You need to study the Mantramahodhi of Madhidara though you probably need a guru to understand it. Why would I be wanting to study the Mantramahodi of Madhidara, even with a guru? It sounds complicated. Otherwise we'll be seeing more graffiti from Graffitiswami on FFL. In TM, all you get is one single bija mantra. So, how many bija mantras does one need in order to attain enlightenment? The context of your posts were about the different methods of getting mantras and the mystery of origins of the TM method. Not complicated because MMY might have made it up but a lot people suspect he got some suggestions on how to improve the teaching from other yogis. That is what I think happened.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : snip So, how many bija mantras does one need in order to attain enlightenment? Is this leading up to a light bulb joke? On 03/30/2014 09:52 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 3/30/2014 9:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: In an advanced version of the TM, this astrological information (position of the Moon at birth) is used also for selecting the seed sounds. This is probably incorrect as well - I don't recall Jerry Jarvis looking up my moon at birth in an ephemeris when I got the basic and first advanced technique. Actually, what is known and practiced as the TM is part of the a large and complex system. Perhaps less than 1% of this has filtered through the contemporary TM movement. Basic TM is pretty simple and not very complex and probably 99% of the contemporary TM movement know all about MMY Jyotish and MMY Ayerveda.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source?
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 3:24 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : snip So, how many bija mantras does one need in order to attain enlightenment? Is this leading up to a light bulb joke? All you need is one bija mantra and 5-7 years, or in some cases, instant enlightenment. But, you are going to get only as much enlightenment as you are going to get, in any case. On 03/30/2014 09:52 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 3/30/2014 9:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: In an advanced version of the TM, this astrological information (position of the Moon at birth) is used also for selecting the seed sounds. This is probably incorrect as well - I don't recall Jerry Jarvis looking up my moon at birth in an ephemeris when I got the basic and first advanced technique. Actually, what is known and practiced as the TM is part of the a large and complex system. Perhaps less than 1% of this has filtered through the contemporary TM movement. Basic TM is pretty simple and not very complex and probably 99% of the contemporary TM movement know all about MMY Jyotish and MMY Ayerveda.
