[FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-11 Thread jim_flanegin


Works for me! ...now where's that pick and shovel?

Jim

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 Sat-yuga already IS, and the best way 
 to spread it is to BE it :-)





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-10 Thread rudra_joe





My best and finest 
practice is that of actual no practice. It's very rare that I am successful in 
that technique alone. 

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  wrote:  Ah well, if you ever get tired of all the 
  suffering and want to  finish off your attachments once and for all, 
  Byron Katie's your  woman: "Loving What Is." In the meantime, enjoy 
  the samsara and the  fiction of being a real live ego :-) 
   I can't think of any book which specifically changed my life 
  more than any other.Practice "the Work" and we'll 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-10 Thread Rory Goff


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 Hi,
 I just ordered her book, Loving What Is. My impression is, correct 
if 
 I'm wrong, that her writings rather comes from psychological point 
of 
 view.
 I yet to get the book to know better.

Not sure exactly what you mean by psychological. It's certainly not 
useless theory; she is a brilliant Master. I'd say she shows how to 
use the intellect to uncover its projections. Once discovered, they 
disappear, leaving Being. Perhaps jnana-yoga would be the best 
description.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-09 Thread rudra_joe
 
  PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Join 
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  "rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
  wrote:  ---OK, but you didn't answer my question once when 
  I said can you tie the mercurial to the saturnian? Rory 
  wrote:I don't recall your asking me this, sorry. I don't see a need to tie 
  them together, any more than I need to tie my buttock (saturn) to my 
  throat (mercury). They seem to take care of themselves nicely without 
  my having to micromanage it all. Those Hitlerian or Nietzschian fantasies 
  you spoke of can evaporate pretty damn fast when Brahman has you and it 
  becomes abundantly obvious that you are/have always been utterly perfect 
  (just like the world) and no better and no worse than the dog feces by 
  that fire hydrant. Literally.RudraJoe wrote:snip 
  A beneficient mercury with a good saturn would make for a stable heaven on 
  earth. If those two conditions change for everyone then how can heaven on 
  earth be stable? If I forget remind that I once had an answer to 
  this before it runs away.Rory wrote:Heaven on Earth doesn't depend 
  on anyone except You, as far as You are concerned. Once you jump in, the 
  whole world changes; You ARE the whole world. This may not be a lot of fun 
  at first (although it is an immense relief) but it can warm up pretty 
  quickly to sustain any level of love/ecstasy. The paradox is -- always 
  changing, ever the same. How do these two qualities can co-exist -- 
  impermanence and permanence? How can the Impersonal, unchanging Abyss can 
  also be Lively and Personal? I can only say, it just IS. One of those 
  paradoxical qualities one can't wrap one's head around so long as one 
  stays in slice-and-dice rational spacetime. Have to be wholehearted to 
  embrace it all -- jump right into the Abyss, fearlessly and with full 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-09 Thread rudra_joe





Yeah. Like orgasms out your 
nose.Sounds 
like somethingDhritarashta might have 
experienced.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-09 Thread Rory Goff


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 Yeah. Like orgasms out your nose.
 
 
 Sounds like something Dhritarashta might have experienced.

Think that's what made him go blind?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-09 Thread Rory Goff
 state where one absolutely identifies 
the relative.
 
 
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   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:45 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion
 
 
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:

---OK, but you didn't answer my question once when I said can 
you 
   tie the mercurial to the saturnian?  
 
   Rory wrote:
   I don't recall your asking me this, sorry. I don't see a need to 
tie 
   them together, any more than I need to tie my buttock (saturn) 
to my 
   throat (mercury). They seem to take care of themselves nicely 
   without my having to micromanage it all. Those Hitlerian or 
   Nietzschian fantasies you spoke of can evaporate pretty damn 
fast 
   when Brahman has you and it becomes abundantly obvious that you 
   are/have always been utterly perfect (just like the world) and 
no 
   better and no worse than the dog feces by that fire hydrant. 
   Literally.
 
   RudraJoe wrote:
   snip  A beneficient mercury with a good saturn would make for 
a 
   stable heaven on earth. If those two conditions change for 
everyone 
   then how can heaven on earth be stable?  If I forget remind that 
I 
   once had an answer to this before it runs away.
 
   Rory wrote:
   Heaven on Earth doesn't depend on anyone except You, as far as 
You 
   are concerned. Once you jump in, the whole world changes; You 
ARE 
   the whole world. This may not be a lot of fun at first (although 
it 
   is an immense relief) but it can warm up pretty quickly to 
sustain 
   any level of love/ecstasy. The paradox is -- always changing, 
ever 
   the same. How do these two qualities can co-exist -- 
impermanence 
   and permanence? How can the Impersonal, unchanging Abyss can 
also be 
   Lively and Personal? I can only say, it just IS. One of those 
   paradoxical qualities one can't wrap one's head around so long 
as 
   one stays in slice-and-dice rational spacetime. Have to be 
   wholehearted to embrace it all -- jump right into the Abyss, 
   fearlessly and with full trust.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-09 Thread rudra_joe





No but it prolly 
helped him have 1000 kids.

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   Sounds like something Dhritarashta might have 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-09 Thread Rory Goff


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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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  ---It's not possible!
 
 An interesting concept.

My understanding of suffering is it's a blessed feedback-sign that  
one is thinking an incorrect thought with the bodymind; i.e., not 
fully Here Now; one is overlaying a should or ought onto what IS. 
Relaxed breathing and pure emptiful attention on what IS (and watching 
the movies one is spinning out of oneSelf and superimposing on the 
Indescribable Beauty of oneSelf) dissolves all projected suffering 
back into its component bliss, and Heaven and Earth are no more. 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-09 Thread rudra_joe





My understanding of 
suffering is that it sucks, and will break anyone eventually. 


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  wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
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  wrote:---It's not possible!  An 
  interesting concept.My understanding of suffering is it's a blessed 
  feedback-sign that one is "thinking" an incorrect thought with the 
  bodymind; i.e., not fully Here Now; one is overlaying a "should" or 
  "ought" onto what IS. Relaxed breathing and pure emptiful attention on 
  what IS (and watching the movies one is spinning out of oneSelf and 
  superimposing on the Indescribable Beauty of oneSelf) dissolves all 
  projected suffering back into its component bliss, and "Heaven" and 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-09 Thread Rory Goff


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 My understanding of suffering is that it sucks, and will break 
anyone eventually. 

Yeah, exactly; that's its whole point. It's going to grind you down 
anyway. Might as well quit resisting the flow, jump into the Abyss, 
and Bob's your Uncle. Rick said it a lot better.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-09 Thread Peter Sutphen


--- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe
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  wrote:
   My understanding of suffering is that it sucks,
 and will break 
  anyone eventually. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff
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  Yeah, exactly; that's its whole point. It's going
 to grind you down 
  anyway. Might as well quit resisting the flow,
 jump into the Abyss, 
  and Bob's your Uncle. Rick said it a lot better. 
 
 You wanna try Byronizing, maybe? What is it about
 life as it is that 
 bothers you the most - what do you most deeply feel
 should be 
 different than it is?

Byronizing will bitch slap your attachments, sweetie!




 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-09 Thread Rory Goff


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 Byronizing will bitch slap your attachments, sweetie!

Maybe sweetie's attachments don't WANNA be bitchslapped :-)





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-09 Thread rudra_joe





Hey that was pretty good RJ, clear and easy to understand, what 
were you on when you wrote it? Or, was this an example of unabashed 
RJIntellect?

I don't know, I 
forget. Didn't I say I was out earlier? What time was 
that?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-09 Thread rudra_joe





You wanna try Byronizing, maybe? What is it about life as it is 
that bothers you the most - what do you most deeply feel should be 
different than it is?Byronizing, sounds like a type of drycleaning. Nah, life, 
it's good. I'm happy already. I could go right this second. Nah, I want to stick 
around, in fact, as senseless as maya is it seems to get better, even as it gets 
worse. Snake Ananta, oh Kundalini, we go around and around in this one except 
that as a double Libra I have found balance in ipso facto balance and not 
renouncing the dark or the light to borrow from Lao Tzu. Nonetheless, to not 
recognize suffering is foolish at best, and leads to a complete root downfall at 
worst. Unless it doesn't of course. I suffered plenty and I won't forget it 
either ever. Moreover, I know that watching my karma is all that I have to 
prevent future suffering, and really nothing else. Each thing on its own. And 
when each thing is on the other then is 
tantra.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-09 Thread rudra_joe





Ah well, if you ever get tired of all the suffering 
and want to finish off your attachments once and for all, Byron Katie's your 
woman: "Loving What Is." In the meantime, enjoy the samsara and the 
fiction of being a real live ego :-)I can't think of any book which 
specifically changed my life more than any other.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-08 Thread Rory Goff


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Re: [FairfieldLife] Join Bhagavad Gita discussionYou know, this is 
what really pisses me off about the Movement, that they want to 
control all the knowledge and that's why it will die out. If someone 
wants to preserve knowledge then dissemination is the key, not tight 
control.  Charlie had a copy but the fucker is RIP now and so where 
is the copy now?  Will it end up in Davey Jones Locker with the Dead 
Sea Scrolls only to be discovered 10,000 years hence when it's just 
dead and forgotten notes from some Bogey.  Make hay while the 
fucking sun shines. Where is the fucking knowledge?  Give it to us. 
Now. We are the people who contemplate it, so give it to us.  The 
angels that circle the Maharishi don't need it.  Give it to 
uss. You foolish mortals. On the other hand, if you pay me 
five hundred dollars I'll tell you what's in my pocket and let you 
play with it. ;)  (Not).

*lol* And yet when the Knowledge appears to you abundantly, here now 
and free of charge, you also complain that it doesn't fit into your 
old bottle... ;-)






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-08 Thread rudra_joe





*lol* And yet when the Knowledge appears to you abundantly, 
here now and free of charge, you also complain that it doesn't fit into your 
old bottle... ;-)---Can you be more 
specific.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-08 Thread Rory Goff


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 
 *lol* And yet when the Knowledge appears to you abundantly, here now 
 and free of charge, you also complain that it doesn't fit into your 
 old bottle... ;-)
 
 
 
 ---Can you be more specific.

Everything you are asking for has (Now) just been handed to you; it is 
simply -- as a cook-friend of mine once said -- that you think you're 
looking for specific boogers. :-) Good line, by the way.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-08 Thread rudra_joe





Honestly, as a 
Buddhist, nothing of what maharishi says is very specifically importantto 
me. I'm just thinking how the Mahayana are trying to preserve their texts anyway 
they can, on the material plane, for the liberation of those who follow. 
TMO seems to be hiding everything, and that hiding will end up destroying the 
material, since dissemination is the easiest way to guarentee longevity, control 
is the quickest route to mismanagement. Open the archives to everyone and 
let them manage. 

My last boss, the 
asshole, is now cooking everything himself because he couldn't manage. He'll die 
20 years faster doing it all himself.But if he empowered others to cook 
then he could step back and live longer. His legacy will die with him because it 
was all about him anyway. But if it had been about the food then the food 
could have lived on. If MMY's message was empowering to everybody then we would 
have it, use it, beit, on paper as it is in heaven. 

Maharishi 
micromanaged and now his following can't manage. 
Disseminate and empower. Withdraw and leave to ones own devices. 
Just a comment. Howestly, I'm most pleased overall when I merely feel 
shauca, I'm not overly pleased by more. I'm easy. 

I'm just saying, 
over and over, that the TMO will only survive if it disseminates its holdings 
right now, or otherwise it will just be an outer shell like The 
Church.

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  wrote:   *lol* And yet when the Knowledge appears 
  to you abundantly, here now  and free of charge, you also complain 
  that it doesn't fit into your  old bottle... ;-)  
---Can you be more specific.Everything you are 
  asking for has (Now) just been handed to you; it is simply -- as a 
  cook-friend of mine once said -- that you think you're looking for 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-08 Thread Rory Goff


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Honestly, as a Buddhist, nothing of what maharishi says is very 
specifically important to me. I'm just thinking how the Mahayana are 
trying to preserve their texts anyway they can, on the material 
plane, for the liberation of those who follow.  TMO seems to be 
hiding everything, and that hiding will end up destroying the 
material, since dissemination is the easiest way to guarentee 
longevity, control is the quickest route to mismanagement.  Open the 
archives to everyone and let them manage.  
 
snip If MMY's message was empowering to everybody then we would 
have it, use it, be it, on paper as it is in heaven. 
snip
 I'm just saying, over and over, that the TMO will only survive if 
it disseminates its holdings right now, or otherwise it will just be 
an outer shell like The Church.

Oh, you're talking about the TMO; my mistake. IMO that's always been 
an empty shell. I thought you were talking about the Knowledge. That 
has as little to do with the TMO as Maharishi Consciousness does 
with the white-clad body of the fool on the hill, if you catch my 
drift.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-08 Thread Rory Goff


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: 
 Oh, you're talking about the TMO; my mistake. IMO that's always been 
 an empty shell. I thought you were talking about the Knowledge. That 
 has as little to do with the TMO as Maharishi Consciousness does 
 with the white-clad body of the fool on the hill, if you catch my 
 drift.

I know you already know this, but since you're pretending to be in 
ignorance at the moment, I'll pretend not to be at the moment, and 
reiterate that all of these things -- M-M-Y, T-M-O, M-O-U-S-E -- are 
projections *of* YourSelf, *through* YourSelf, *to* YourSelf. Self is 
all there is. There is only One of Us, prismed into spacetime. There 
is nothing and no one you can perceive out there that is not simply 
a projection of yourSelf, through YourSelf, and onto YourSelf. No 
amount of reading holy scripture or doing good to others is going 
to ever satisfy you like remembering this. And this is gained by 
having the testicular (and/or ovarian) fortitude to stand alone -- all 
one. Who is the teacher? Who is the taught? What is the Knowledge? I 
AM. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-08 Thread Rory Goff


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
This reminds me of something I read recently, that when we go to 
 Heaven, that everyone experiences Heaven and everyone in it as pure 
 friendliness and 'heavenly' values like that because in fact each 
 creates their own Heaven. So if I go to Heaven and see someone there 
 I know, I will experience them as frictionless perfection and vice 
 versa.

Yes, and this is available Now. Sat-yuga already IS, and the best way 
to spread it is to BE it :-)





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-08 Thread rudra_joe





Yes, and this is available Now. Sat-yuga already IS, 
and the best way to spread it is to BE it :-)---I liked this statement because 
it was direct. It would go good in lingerie, or maybe in high heels and 
with a whip. Latex. Frankly, since we're talking Sat Yuga a blonde is 
necessary to play the part.I had an actress in mind but I forgot 
who... The Apsaras have their own category Oh Apsaraghori Rory. They are 
outcasts, and why? Because in heaven, the angels have no sex organs. So 
they feel a fierce and yearning love, but the apsaras, basically, us humans, we 
get to apppreciate it, often with incalculable 
results.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-08 Thread Rick Archer

on 4/8/05 4:37 PM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 snip
 
  
 No one does, but Vernon Katz, Rindi Schwartz, and perhaps a few
 others.
 
 I may have asked before, and you may have answered, but do you know
 what Rindi is doing now?

Mother Divine in NC. I heard that she's no longer top board lady, but now
Vanessa Vidal is.

(Is Rindi short for Clarinda?)

Yes.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Join Bhagavad Gita discussion

2005-04-08 Thread Rory Goff


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 ---OK, but you didn't answer my question once when I said can you 
tie the mercurial to the saturnian?  

Rory wrote:
I don't recall your asking me this, sorry. I don't see a need to tie 
them together, any more than I need to tie my buttock (saturn) to my 
throat (mercury). They seem to take care of themselves nicely 
without my having to micromanage it all. Those Hitlerian or 
Nietzschian fantasies you spoke of can evaporate pretty damn fast 
when Brahman has you and it becomes abundantly obvious that you 
are/have always been utterly perfect (just like the world) and no 
better and no worse than the dog feces by that fire hydrant. 
Literally.

RudraJoe wrote:
snip  A beneficient mercury with a good saturn would make for a 
stable heaven on earth. If those two conditions change for everyone 
then how can heaven on earth be stable?  If I forget remind that I 
once had an answer to this before it runs away.

Rory wrote:
Heaven on Earth doesn't depend on anyone except You, as far as You 
are concerned. Once you jump in, the whole world changes; You ARE 
the whole world. This may not be a lot of fun at first (although it 
is an immense relief) but it can warm up pretty quickly to sustain 
any level of love/ecstasy. The paradox is -- always changing, ever 
the same. How do these two qualities can co-exist -- impermanence 
and permanence? How can the Impersonal, unchanging Abyss can also be 
Lively and Personal? I can only say, it just IS. One of those 
paradoxical qualities one can't wrap one's head around so long as 
one stays in slice-and-dice rational spacetime. Have to be 
wholehearted to embrace it all -- jump right into the Abyss, 
fearlessly and with full trust.





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