RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Salyavin; No, you are presuming things about me. You are postulating this thread is about 'POV' of what people post and possibly you would like to argue that point for point for missing the thrust of this thread. I am fine with diversity of pov and should like to see diversity of pov tolerated and considered more on FFL at Yahoo-groups. However towards that end I am particularly concerned for the welfare of the group by the evident lawlessness exhibited by some of the writers posting here that is clearly against the yahoo-groups guidelines. That is the tread here. Lawlessness? This is another odd choice of words. I can have any opinion I want about something and I always explain where it comes from just in case someone thinks it might stem from some blind prejudice or other. And it depends what you mean by tolerated does that mean we can't criticise? Or is it like one of those stupid religious debates where someone trashes a cherished idea and then says but you are entitled to your opinion. I never got the point of that, how are people going to grow if they are constantly patronised about nursery tales? Part of the recent post about treating religious beliefs differently to properly gained knowledge I guess. And that's long been the trouble with the TMO, they always claimed their POV was science but dislike the scientific method being applied to it, claiming then that it's all cherished belief. I think perhaps this is the way you look at it. Like Yahoo! seeks with its Yahoo-groups guidelines [When people behave responsibly and respectfully the community thrives and everybody wins. .. We depend on each member to help keep it a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. .. Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know..] , I feel the forum should better thrive for being more in line with the yahoo-groups guideline if these rule breakers who it seems have become endemic on FFL were moderated one way or another. It seems that appealing to their goodwill about this is not enough to protect the list culture. I would like to help change the unkind low culture as it has fallen on FFL over to something more in line with the Yahoo-groups guidelines. But where is this Low culture? we have lots of good discussions on here and get a bit rough occasionally, but so what? I think you imagine a lot of this trouble and are tilting at windmills. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Salyavin, No it is not very likely to happen, unless there is an evident cultural change on FFL towards something that is kinder towards collaborative thinking. Collaborative thinking seems like an odd wish for a discussion group. I wonder if what you really want is control over other people's responses? A problem with what you hope for is that the dominant communal culture of the FFL list is manifestly not trustworthy nearly enough to have considered thoughtful discourse generally. I always indulge in considered thought (OK, nearly always...). I think you just dislike the conclusions occasionally. Trustworthy is an odd desire too, what do you want to trust us to do? The place has been made way too toxic by some few writers in style for there to be substantial material posted here for considered discussion about the community. Toxic? The only toxic people here are the Texan tosser and seventhray as they bring nothing but hate and derision, and no positive contribution whatsoever. At least the rest of us have a laugh and try and get creative with what we post. And I don't think the TM community is as fragile as you imagine. Either the base it's built on is solid or it can get knocked down easily in which case it deserves to fall over and get buried by history but it seems to survive the slings and arrows from the sceptics. Actually, it just ignores them but when you think you are right about everything you don't even have to listen. I think you worry too much about other people's opinions - they can only hurt you if you let them. I have a lot of things that come to my mailbox all the time that are extremely interesting and relevant but it is just not worth the abuse that would come from sharing them on FFL as it is now. I hope that will change, -JaiGuruYou Abuse? Is criticism automatically abuse now? Not for me, criticism is healthy, it's part of how you learn what works and what doesn't. I'm guessing you didn't like my breakdown of the mental health work you guys are doing, that was the last FF TMO thing that got posted here. I thought it was a well considered piece that pointed out a few obvious shortcomings. That's the
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
Doug (I refuse to call you by your made-up name Buck any more), I'm getting tired of this. I don't believe for an instant that you have a lot of things ... that are interesting and relevant but that you don't post here because of the abuse that would come from sharing them on FFL as it is now. I think you're making every bit of this up. So I DARE you to: 1) come up with something interesting and relevant to post. I honestly don't think you can. AND 2) produce three examples of the abuse you speak of, that were posted during the last month. Again, I don't think you'll be able to answer either request, because you're making all this shit up to get attention. Or, you could produce what I ask for and prove me wrong. Your call. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 9:10 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? Dear Salyavin, Noit is not very likely to happen, unless there is an evident culturalchange on FFL towards something that is kinder towards collaborativethinking. A problem with what you hope for is that the dominantcommunal culture of the FFL list is manifestly not trustworthy nearly enoughto have considered thoughtful discourse generally. The place has beenmade way too toxic by some few writers in style for there to be substantialmaterial posted here for considered discussion about the community. I have a lot ofthings that come to my mailbox all the time that are extremelyinteresting and relevant but it is just not worth the abuse thatwould come from sharing them on FFL as it is now. I hope that will change, -JaiGuruYou salyavin808 hopes: I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Willy and Seventhray need to be set free though. There isn't any way anything they write now could be seen to be constructive. They contribute nothing except entropy. I admire your optimism if you think they'll change but it's been a long time and a waste of life for the pair of them. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
Uh oh, Doug. You've finally done it, and Barry's putting his foot down. I don't know what's in store for you, but it doesn't sound good. You've exceeded Barry's patience, and are seriously off the program. The gauntlet has been laid down, and you now risk becoming tomorrow's main subject during, THE SATURDAY MORNING RAP! Repent! Repent! I say, while there's still time!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doug (I refuse to call you by your made-up name Buck any more), I'm getting tired of this. I don't believe for an instant that you have a lot of things ... that are interesting and relevant but that you don't post here because of the abuse that would come from sharing them on FFL as it is now. I think you're making every bit of this up. So I DARE you to: 1) come up with something interesting and relevant to post. I honestly don't think you can. AND 2) produce three examples of the abuse you speak of, that were posted during the last month. Again, I don't think you'll be able to answer either request, because you're making all this shit up to get attention. Or, you could produce what I ask for and prove me wrong. Your call. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 9:10 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? Dear Salyavin, No it is not very likely to happen, unless there is an evident cultural change on FFL towards something that is kinder towards collaborative thinking. A problem with what you hope for is that the dominant communal culture of the FFL list is manifestly not trustworthy nearly enough to have considered thoughtful discourse generally. The place has been made way too toxic by some few writers in style for there to be substantial material posted here for considered discussion about the community. I have a lot of things that come to my mailbox all the time that are extremely interesting and relevant but it is just not worth the abuse that would come from sharing them on FFL as it is now. I hope that will change, -JaiGuruYou salyavin808 hopes: I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Willy and Seventhray need to be set free though. There isn't any way anything they write now could be seen to be constructive. They contribute nothing except entropy. I admire your optimism if you think they'll change but it's been a long time and a waste of life for the pair of them. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here
RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
Thanks for weighing in, Rick.
For me, the issue is as simple as this -- to be a completely fair moderator,
one would have to read every post made to Fairfield Life. But he or she would
also have to also be admirable enough that other people -- the moderated --
would trust his/her judgement.
And therein lies the rub. Who could possibly admire or trust anyone so lame as
to be willing to read every post made to Fairfield Life? :-)
From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:04 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this
forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them
would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would
necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be
clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless
full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not
appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I
guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually
and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps
eventually becoming smooth. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that
this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is
the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next
interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness
when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant
throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules
could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have
learned to be civil enough.
Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to
be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here.
And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the
others.
I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd
been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO.
So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking
acid-chime everywhere?
And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best
moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care
about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda
here?
Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly
indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with
maggots...because HE PROJECTS.
If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness
would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity
and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have
him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll
derisiveness.
Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having
a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here.
Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when
she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab?
I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
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RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Willy and Seventhray need to be set free though. There isn't any way anything they write now could be seen to be constructive. They contribute nothing except entropy. I admire your optimism if you think they'll change but it's been a long time and a waste of life for the pair of them. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
Ha! The obligatory positive exit comment. Ain't gonna happen. Barry is in charge here. And his saving grace is Buck and John, and Lawson, giving Barry an opportunity to burnish his self proclaimed reputation as a cult slayer, often by his gift of creating straw man arguments. It is telling that Barry feels FFL, is finally coming into its own. To most other observers, it's a boring ass place, made interesting by seeing Barry's pals suck up to him on daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I never know if Willy Wonko or Steve the Willy Clone ever post unless someone mentions them.I route all their posts to the trash automatically - it works very well, In that case I'll do you a huge favour and never mention them again. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 8:16 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Willy and Seventhray need to be set free though. There isn't any way anything they write now could be seen to be constructive. They contribute nothing except entropy. I admire your optimism if you think they'll change but it's been a long time and a waste of life for the pair of them. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
On 04/30/2015 05:16 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Not just movement news. There are a lot of dropouts who still live in Fairfield (many can't afford to live anywhere else). And how about the obituaries? It seems my theory that baby boomers won't live longer than their parents did is true. This regardless of what they do to try to live longer. OTOH, I seem to have outlived the age given by an actuarial test I did in the late 1990s. I wasn't too concerned back then because now seemed a long way off back then. ;-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Tell me: Who are these most other observers and how do you know what they think? He means him and his friends who sulked off to start their own site where they can decide who can post and what they can say. Why he insists on coming back here everyday to sneer and scoff is anyone's guess. Some people just like stirring shit I guess. The fact that he wouldn't be allowed to carry on like that on his prefered site is an irony that appears to be lost on him. Go figure ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---snip---. To most other observers, it's a boring ass place, made interesting by seeing Barry's pals suck up to him on daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 04/30/2015 05:16 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... mailto:rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Not just movement news. There are a lot of dropouts who still live in Fairfield (many can't afford to live anywhere else). And how about the obituaries? It seems my theory that baby boomers won't live longer than their parents did is true. This regardless of what they do to try to live longer. OTOH, I seem to have outlived the age given by an actuarial test I did in the late 1990s. I wasn't too concerned back then because now seemed a long way off back then. ;-) Ha, good for you for thwarting your demise. According to a questionaire I did on the BBC website I'm virtually immortal and will live into my 90's! I think I might die of boredom long before then. Or maybe of frustration trying to keep up with how fast the world changes. Interestingly I did the test a few times with different boxes ticked to see what single lifestyle choice had the biggest effect on mortality. I tried adding smoking, drinking, and no exercise but I found the thing that knocks the most time off your life is eating barbecued food on a regular basis! Most unexpected but apparently badly cooked meat alter the DNA on the outside so that the stomach can't cope and puts too much strain on the system. How about that? But yes, these Fairfielders could put their knowledge to good use and keep the diaspora informed about how the age of Enlightenment is progressing at party HQ.
RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
hey, for a guy who seems to like to quantify things, I guess its convenient to ignore numbers when they go against ya. Take Richard away, and it's Barry, MJ, you, Buck and Lawson who make up bulk of posts, with Bharitu coming up the rear. The monthly posting totals haven't been this low since the first year of the site. numbers dude, it's what for dinner. but of course, your habit is to disregard facts when they don't fit your fancy. but, we've covered that ground before. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Tell me: Who are these most other observers and how do you know what they think? He means him and his friends who sulked off to start their own site where they can decide who can post and what they can say. Why he insists on coming back here everyday to sneer and scoff is anyone's guess. Some people just like stirring shit I guess. The fact that he wouldn't be allowed to carry on like that on his prefered site is an irony that appears to be lost on him. Go figure ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---snip---. To most other observers, it's a boring ass place, made interesting by seeing Barry's pals suck up to him on daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
I found the thing that knocks the most time off your life is eating barbecued
food on a regular basis
You boys over there in Scorpion-Land just don't know how to cook real barbeque.
Come on over the South Carolina and I'll teach you. Real barbeque don't mean
hamburgers and hot dogs, either but I can show you how to do that too, so it
goes down real nice and smooth and actually prolongs your life.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
On 04/30/2015 05:16 AM, salyavin808wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@...wrote :
I don’t knowwhether anyone could fairly and objectivelymoderate this forum,
including myself. Rules canbe conceived and written, but enforcing them
wouldrequire constant monitoring and decision-making.The judgments would
necessarily be verysubjective. Some offenses would be so egregious asto be
clear-cut, but most would be some shade ofgrey. It would be a thankless
full-time job,performed poorly. Most FFL participants wouldprobably not
appreciate it, and would vote for areturn to the days of no moderation. So I
guess FFLwill continue to be a bunch of rough stones in atumbler, gradually and
painfully chipping away atone another’s rough edges, and perhaps
eventuallybecoming smooth.
Nicelyput. I think the only thing , missing here isactual news from Fairfield.
Maybe yourself or Buck(I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movementactivities.
I think it would do Buck good to havesomething to contribute rather than just
whiningabout what everyone else talks about.
How is themental health group coming along? What are thepundits up to? Are new
people moving in to replacethose who move on? Anything will do. You neverknow,
it might spark a conversation which is whatwe are sitting here waiting for.
Not just movement news. There are a lot of dropouts who still livein Fairfield
(many can't afford to live anywhere else). And howabout the obituaries? It
seems my theory that baby boomers won'tlive longer than their parents did is
true. This regardless of whatthey do to try to live longer. OTOH, I seem to
have outlived theage given by an actuarial test I did in the late 1990s. I
wasn'ttoo concerned back then because now seemed a long way off backthen.
;-)
Ha, good for you for thwarting your demise. According to a questionaire I did
on the BBC website I'm virtually immortal and will live into my 90's! I think I
might die of boredom long before then. Or maybe of frustration trying to keep
up with how fast the world changes.
Interestingly I did the test a few times with different boxes ticked to see
what single lifestyle choice had the biggest effect on mortality. I tried
adding smoking, drinking, and no exercise but I found the thing that knocks the
most time off your life is eating barbecued food on a regular basis! Most
unexpected but apparently badly cooked meat alter the DNA on the outside so
that the stomach can't cope and puts too much strain on the system. How about
that?
But yes, these Fairfielders could put their knowledge to good use and keep the
diaspora informed about how the age of Enlightenment is progressing at party HQ.
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RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
numbers dude. they tell the story. then look at your posting history it doesn't really show much interest in the place just sayin' (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Tell me: Who are these most other observers and how do you know what they think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---snip---. To most other observers, it's a boring ass place, made interesting by seeing Barry's pals suck up to him on daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I found the thing that knocks the most time off your life is eating barbecued food on a regular basis You boys over there in Scorpion-Land just don't know how to cook real barbeque. Come on over the South Carolina and I'll teach you. Real barbeque don't mean hamburgers and hot dogs, either but I can show you how to do that too, so it goes down real nice and smooth and actually prolongs your life. You could be right MJ. Over here the summer only lasts for a few minutes so generally, the barbie comes out and a few pigs'n'chickens get flash burned and consumed in white rolls with ketchup. The lager makes it all worthwhile apparently. Me and my pals do it a bit differently. Being mostly vegetarians we'll have veggie kebabs or curries in balti pots cooked over an open fire. Sometimes we'll get the telescope out as dusk falls and call it a Starbecue. Infinity and quality nosh. that's living! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 04/30/2015 05:16 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... mailto:rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Not just movement news. There are a lot of dropouts who still live in Fairfield (many can't afford to live anywhere else). And how about the obituaries? It seems my theory that baby boomers won't live longer than their parents did is true. This regardless of what they do to try to live longer. OTOH, I seem to have outlived the age given by an actuarial test I did in the late 1990s. I wasn't too concerned back then because now seemed a long way off back then. ;-) Ha, good for you for thwarting your demise. According to a questionaire I did on the BBC website I'm virtually immortal and will live into my 90's! I think I might die of boredom long before then. Or maybe of frustration trying to keep up with how fast the world changes. Interestingly I did the test a few times with different boxes ticked to see what single lifestyle choice had the biggest effect on mortality. I tried adding smoking, drinking, and no exercise but I found the thing that knocks the most time off your life is eating barbecued food on a regular basis! Most unexpected but apparently badly cooked meat alter the DNA on the outside so that the stomach can't cope and puts too much strain on the system. How about that? But yes, these Fairfielders could put their knowledge to good use and keep the diaspora informed about how the age of Enlightenment is progressing at party HQ.
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
All kidding aside, barbeque is real serious stuff around here. Barbeque means meat, slow cooked over wood coals. All things are argued and debated about. What are the best woods hickory? Pecan? Mesquite? A bit of apple wood thrown in? Rubs and sauces are an endless source of debate. I grew up in the area where the tradition was and is a mustard based sauce - still can't get used to anything else. In my vegetarian years, I used to use the sauce on rice, pasta and veggies of various kinds. Some of the best barbeque was made by a whack-o named Maurice Bessinger. He's dead now, but here is an article about him in his hey-day. A Confederacy of Sauces | | | | | | | | | | | A Confederacy of SaucesWhile I was back home last spring in Charleston, S.C., doing some work with my nephew, we decided to drive over to a barbecue joint one afternoon for some pulled po... | | | | View on www.nytimes.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I found the thing that knocks the most time off your life is eating barbecued food on a regular basis You boys over there in Scorpion-Land just don't know how to cook real barbeque. Come on over the South Carolina and I'll teach you. Real barbeque don't mean hamburgers and hot dogs, either but I can show you how to do that too, so it goes down real nice and smooth and actually prolongs your life. You could be right MJ. Over here the summer only lasts for a few minutes so generally, the barbie comes out and a few pigs'n'chickens get flash burned and consumed in white rolls with ketchup. The lager makes it all worthwhile apparently. Me and my pals do it a bit differently. Being mostly vegetarians we'll have veggie kebabs or curries in balti pots cooked over an open fire. Sometimes we'll get the telescope out as dusk falls and call it a Starbecue. Infinity and quality nosh. that's living! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 04/30/2015 05:16 AM, salyavin808wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@...wrote : I don’t knowwhether anyone could fairly and objectivelymoderate this forum, including myself. Rules canbe conceived and written, but enforcing them wouldrequire constant monitoring and decision-making.The judgments would necessarily be verysubjective. Some offenses would be so egregious asto be clear-cut, but most would be some shade ofgrey. It would be a thankless full-time job,performed poorly. Most FFL participants wouldprobably not appreciate it, and would vote for areturn to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFLwill continue to be a bunch of rough stones in atumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away atone another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventuallybecoming smooth. Nicelyput. I think the only thing , missing here isactual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck(I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movementactivities. I think it would do Buck good to havesomething to contribute rather than just whiningabout what everyone else talks about. How is themental health group coming along? What are thepundits up to? Are new people moving in to replacethose who move on? Anything will do. You neverknow, it might spark a conversation which is whatwe are sitting here waiting for. Not just movement news. There are a lot of dropouts who still livein Fairfield (many can't afford to live anywhere else). And howabout the obituaries? It seems my theory that baby boomers won'tlive longer than their parents did is true. This regardless of whatthey do to try to live longer. OTOH, I seem to have outlived theage given by an actuarial test I did in the late 1990s. I wasn'ttoo concerned back then because now seemed a long way off backthen. ;-) Ha, good for you for thwarting your demise. According to a questionaire I did on the BBC website I'm virtually immortal and will live into my 90's! I think I might die of boredom long before then. Or maybe of frustration trying to keep up with how fast the world changes. Interestingly I did the test a few times with different boxes ticked to see what single lifestyle choice had the biggest effect on mortality. I tried adding smoking, drinking, and no exercise but I found the thing that knocks the most time off your life is eating barbecued food on a regular basis! Most unexpected but apparently badly cooked meat alter the DNA on the outside so that the stomach can't cope and puts too much strain on the system. How about that? But yes, these Fairfielders could put their knowledge to good use
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Isn't that just like thugs - say something they don't like or don't agree with, and they get mad, call you a name, throw your stuff in the trash and then ignore you in an open discussion. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I never know if Willy Wonko or Steve the Willy Clone ever post unless someone mentions them.I route all their posts to the trash automatically - it works very well, --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sa...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In that case I'll do you a huge favour and never mention them again.
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Dear Salyavin, No it is not very likely to happen, unless there is an evident cultural change on FFL towards something that is kinder towards collaborative thinking. A problem with what you hope for is that the dominant communal culture of the FFL list is manifestly not trustworthy nearly enough to have considered thoughtful discourse generally. The place has been made way too toxic by some few writers in style for there to be substantial material posted here for considered discussion about the community. I have a lot of things that come to my mailbox all the time that are extremely interesting and relevant but it is just not worth the abuse that would come from sharing them on FFL as it is now. I hope that will change, -JaiGuruYou salyavin808 hopes: I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Willy and Seventhray need to be set free though. There isn't any way anything they write now could be seen to be constructive. They contribute nothing except entropy. I admire your optimism if you think they'll change but it's been a long time and a waste of life for the pair of them. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
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In other words, you don't know who these 'most other observers and you don't know what they think. FWIW, observers, by definition, don't have a posting history. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : numbers dude. they tell the story. then look at your posting history it doesn't really show much interest in the place just sayin' (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Tell me: Who are these most other observers and how do you know what they think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---snip---. To most other observers, it's a boring ass place, made interesting by seeing Barry's pals suck up to him on daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Salyavin, No it is not very likely to happen, unless there is an evident cultural change on FFL towards something that is kinder towards collaborative thinking. Collaborative thinking seems like an odd wish for a discussion group. I wonder if what you really want is control over other people's responses? A problem with what you hope for is that the dominant communal culture of the FFL list is manifestly not trustworthy nearly enough to have considered thoughtful discourse generally. I always indulge in considered thought (OK, nearly always...). I think you just dislike the conclusions occasionally. Trustworthy is an odd desire too, what do you want to trust us to do? The place has been made way too toxic by some few writers in style for there to be substantial material posted here for considered discussion about the community. Toxic? The only toxic people here are the Texan tosser and seventhray as they bring nothing but hate and derision, and no positive contribution whatsoever. At least the rest of us have a laugh and try and get creative with what we post. And I don't think the TM community is as fragile as you imagine. Either the base it's built on is solid or it can get knocked down easily in which case it deserves to fall over and get buried by history but it seems to survive the slings and arrows from the sceptics. Actually, it just ignores them but when you think you are right about everything you don't even have to listen. I think you worry too much about other people's opinions - they can only hurt you if you let them. I have a lot of things that come to my mailbox all the time that are extremely interesting and relevant but it is just not worth the abuse that would come from sharing them on FFL as it is now. I hope that will change, -JaiGuruYou Abuse? Is criticism automatically abuse now? Not for me, criticism is healthy, it's part of how you learn what works and what doesn't. I'm guessing you didn't like my breakdown of the mental health work you guys are doing, that was the last FF TMO thing that got posted here. I thought it was a well considered piece that pointed out a few obvious shortcomings. That's the trouble with discussion groups, you come up against contrary opinions and have to defend your own POV. Having read the homepage, I think it's what we are here for. If your desire was for me was to simply agree with you or hold my tongue then I think you want this place to be something it isn't and never was. All the best... salyavin808 hopes: I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Willy and Seventhray need to be set free though. There isn't any way anything they write now could be seen to be constructive. They contribute nothing except entropy. I admire your optimism if you think they'll change but it's been a long time and a waste of life for the pair of them. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : All kidding aside, barbeque is real serious stuff around here. Barbeque means meat, slow cooked over wood coals. All things are argued and debated about. What are the best woods hickory? Pecan? Mesquite? A bit of apple wood thrown in? Rubs and sauces are an endless source of debate. I grew up in the area where the tradition was and is a mustard based sauce - still can't get used to anything else. In my vegetarian years, I used to use the sauce on rice, pasta and veggies of various kinds. Some of the best barbeque was made by a whack-o named Maurice Bessinger. He's dead now, but here is an article about him in his hey-day. It all sounds delicious. I'll check the local supermarkets for some Bessinger mustard sauce for my roast dinner on Sunday. A Confederacy of Sauces http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/26/magazine/a-confederacy-of-sauces.html http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/26/magazine/a-confederacy-of-sauces.html A Confederacy of Sauces http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/26/magazine/a-confederacy-of-sauces.html While I was back home last spring in Charleston, S.C., doing some work with my nephew, we decided to drive over to a barbecue joint one afternoon for some pulled po... View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/26/magazine/a-confederacy-of-sauces.html Preview by Yahoo From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I found the thing that knocks the most time off your life is eating barbecued food on a regular basis You boys over there in Scorpion-Land just don't know how to cook real barbeque. Come on over the South Carolina and I'll teach you. Real barbeque don't mean hamburgers and hot dogs, either but I can show you how to do that too, so it goes down real nice and smooth and actually prolongs your life. You could be right MJ. Over here the summer only lasts for a few minutes so generally, the barbie comes out and a few pigs'n'chickens get flash burned and consumed in white rolls with ketchup. The lager makes it all worthwhile apparently. Me and my pals do it a bit differently. Being mostly vegetarians we'll have veggie kebabs or curries in balti pots cooked over an open fire. Sometimes we'll get the telescope out as dusk falls and call it a Starbecue. Infinity and quality nosh. that's living! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 04/30/2015 05:16 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... mailto:rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Not just movement news. There are a lot of dropouts who still live in Fairfield (many can't afford to live anywhere else). And how about the obituaries? It seems my theory that baby boomers won't live longer than their parents did is true. This regardless of what they do to try to live longer. OTOH, I seem to have outlived the age given by an actuarial test I did in the late 1990s. I wasn't too concerned back then because now seemed a long way off back then. ;-) Ha, good for you for thwarting your demise. According to a questionaire I did on the BBC website I'm virtually immortal and will live into my 90's! I think I might die of boredom long before then. Or maybe
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James, If my analysis doesn't make sense to you, so be it. If you break it down, Buck makes his predictable posts, which Barry, Xeno, Salyavin and MJ respond to as it it's the first time they've heard it. This constitutes about 40% of FFL. Another 15% is MJ with his tired name calling against all the usual suspects. Another 15% is Barry's movie and TV reviews, latest achievements, and the all important SATURDAY MORNING RANT. The balance is filled out by miscellaneous stuff. Glad you seem to enjoy it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : In other words, you don't know who these 'most other observers and you don't know what they think. FWIW, observers, by definition, don't have a posting history. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : numbers dude. they tell the story. then look at your posting history it doesn't really show much interest in the place just sayin' (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Tell me: Who are these most other observers and how do you know what they think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---snip---. To most other observers, it's a boring ass place, made interesting by seeing Barry's pals suck up to him on daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
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Salyavin; No, you are presuming things about me. You are postulating this thread is about 'POV' of what people post and possibly you would like to argue that point for point for missing the thrust of this thread. I am fine with diversity of pov and should like to see diversity of pov tolerated and considered more on FFL at Yahoo-groups. However towards that end I am particularly concerned for the welfare of the group by the evident lawlessness exhibited by some of the writers posting here that is clearly against the yahoo-groups guidelines. That is the tread here. Like Yahoo! seeks with its Yahoo-groups guidelines [When people behave responsibly and respectfully the community thrives and everybody wins. .. We depend on each member to help keep it a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. .. Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know..] , I feel the forum should better thrive for being more in line with the yahoo-groups guideline if these rule breakers who it seems have become endemic on FFL were moderated one way or another. It seems that appealing to their goodwill about this is not enough to protect the list culture. I would like to help change the unkind low culture as it has fallen on FFL over to something more in line with the Yahoo-groups guidelines. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Salyavin, No it is not very likely to happen, unless there is an evident cultural change on FFL towards something that is kinder towards collaborative thinking. Collaborative thinking seems like an odd wish for a discussion group. I wonder if what you really want is control over other people's responses? A problem with what you hope for is that the dominant communal culture of the FFL list is manifestly not trustworthy nearly enough to have considered thoughtful discourse generally. I always indulge in considered thought (OK, nearly always...). I think you just dislike the conclusions occasionally. Trustworthy is an odd desire too, what do you want to trust us to do? The place has been made way too toxic by some few writers in style for there to be substantial material posted here for considered discussion about the community. Toxic? The only toxic people here are the Texan tosser and seventhray as they bring nothing but hate and derision, and no positive contribution whatsoever. At least the rest of us have a laugh and try and get creative with what we post. And I don't think the TM community is as fragile as you imagine. Either the base it's built on is solid or it can get knocked down easily in which case it deserves to fall over and get buried by history but it seems to survive the slings and arrows from the sceptics. Actually, it just ignores them but when you think you are right about everything you don't even have to listen. I think you worry too much about other people's opinions - they can only hurt you if you let them. I have a lot of things that come to my mailbox all the time that are extremely interesting and relevant but it is just not worth the abuse that would come from sharing them on FFL as it is now. I hope that will change, -JaiGuruYou Abuse? Is criticism automatically abuse now? Not for me, criticism is healthy, it's part of how you learn what works and what doesn't. I'm guessing you didn't like my breakdown of the mental health work you guys are doing, that was the last FF TMO thing that got posted here. I thought it was a well considered piece that pointed out a few obvious shortcomings. That's the trouble with discussion groups, you come up against contrary opinions and have to defend your own POV. Having read the homepage, I think it's what we are here for. If your desire was for me was to simply agree with you or hold my tongue then I think you want this place to be something it isn't and never was. All the best... salyavin808 hopes: I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation.
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Ha ha! Maurice's kids run his operation now that he's dead. His older brother Melvin has a couple restaurants in Charleston, SC. Melvin's sauce is superior to Maurice's. There are two other Bessingers operating their outfits in the lower part of the state, but I have never tried theirs. Melvin's original sauce is excellent or it used to be - been a while since I had it. Dunno if they ship overseas. Barbeque Sauce Rubs | | | | | | | | | Barbeque Sauce RubsBarbecue Sauce, BBQ, Rubs | | | | View on www.melvinsbbq.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : All kidding aside, barbeque is real serious stuff around here. Barbeque means meat, slow cooked over wood coals. All things are argued and debated about. What are the best woods hickory? Pecan? Mesquite? A bit of apple wood thrown in? Rubs and sauces are an endless source of debate. I grew up in the area where the tradition was and is a mustard based sauce - still can't get used to anything else. In my vegetarian years, I used to use the sauce on rice, pasta and veggies of various kinds. Some of the best barbeque was made by a whack-o named Maurice Bessinger. He's dead now, but here is an article about him in his hey-day. It all sounds delicious. I'll check the local supermarkets for some Bessinger mustard sauce for my roast dinner on Sunday. A Confederacy of Sauces | | | | | | | | | | | A Confederacy of SaucesWhile I was back home last spring in Charleston, S.C., doing some work with my nephew, we decided to drive over to a barbecue joint one afternoon for some pulled po... | | | | View on www.nytimes.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I found the thing that knocks the most time off your life is eating barbecued food on a regular basis You boys over there in Scorpion-Land just don't know how to cook real barbeque. Come on over the South Carolina and I'll teach you. Real barbeque don't mean hamburgers and hot dogs, either but I can show you how to do that too, so it goes down real nice and smooth and actually prolongs your life. You could be right MJ. Over here the summer only lasts for a few minutes so generally, the barbie comes out and a few pigs'n'chickens get flash burned and consumed in white rolls with ketchup. The lager makes it all worthwhile apparently. Me and my pals do it a bit differently. Being mostly vegetarians we'll have veggie kebabs or curries in balti pots cooked over an open fire. Sometimes we'll get the telescope out as dusk falls and call it a Starbecue. Infinity and quality nosh. that's living! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 04/30/2015 05:16 AM, salyavin808wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@...wrote : I don’t knowwhether anyone could fairly and objectivelymoderate this forum, including myself. Rules canbe conceived and written, but enforcing them wouldrequire constant monitoring and decision-making.The judgments would necessarily be verysubjective. Some offenses would be so egregious asto be clear-cut, but most would be some shade ofgrey. It would be a thankless full-time job,performed poorly. Most FFL participants wouldprobably not appreciate it, and would vote for areturn to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFLwill continue to be a bunch of rough stones in atumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away atone another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventuallybecoming smooth. Nicelyput. I think the only thing , missing here isactual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck(I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movementactivities. I think it would do Buck good to havesomething to contribute rather than just whiningabout what everyone else talks about. How is themental health group coming along? What are thepundits up to? Are new people moving in to replacethose who move on? Anything will do. You neverknow, it might spark a conversation which is whatwe are sitting here waiting for. Not just movement news. There are a lot of dropouts who still livein Fairfield (many can't afford to live anywhere else). And howabout the obituaries? It seems my theory that baby boomers won'tlive longer than their parents did is true. This regardless of whatthey do to try to live longer. OTOH, I seem to have outlived theage given
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What's rather amusing, is that in a matter of ten minutes Edg you could start a new site, and install yourself as moderator, or recruit someone else. I think you could pull it off. Of course you do have the reputation of showing a lot of bluster, without much follow up. And of course, Barry and his cronies could also start a site as well. And with the incessant complaining by Barry, you wonder why he hasn't taken that step. But we know what would be the outcome, and it was highlighted by Judy just a couple days ago. Barry has no credibility with anyone, with the possible exception of MJ and the lurking reporter. Xeno dares not cross him, although I don't think he necessarily cares for him, and Salyavin appears to have as lonely a life as Barry, so he is a klingon of sorts. And anyone who has not totally bought into his agenda will not be able to stomach his regular misrepresentations, straw arguments, and outright meanness, which has become his hallmark. What a test that would be for what he has to offer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Question 1: do you read and post on other forums or groups? Maybe a dozen -- there's assholes in all of them, so, yeah, there's that, but here, given the long history of consistent negativity that some folks have manifested here, we can pretty much know who's being a jerkwad pure and simple. Question 2: if so, do you notice a trend towards abrasiveness in posts on those? Not so much, but I'm not trying to see it with any scientific method. Question 3: if so, do you find FFL any better or worse? I find FFL worse because the folks here I know well enough to judge. At reddit or youtube or whatever you can find posters just being as outrageous as possible, but they are easily dismissed by me, because I don't know them. Here, after seeing year after year of the same troll tactics being allowed without a moderator slapping some wrists, well, hell, what kind of result could there be other than that these assholes are allowed to butcher our civility? When I know the person's mind as one that is intent on creating disharmony instead of clarity -- where am I helping by being around such a sick fuck? -- but here we're supposed to suck it?-- because why? -- we're supposed to be some sort of good Samaritans who are above responding to these fucking bugs, these insectoids? Shit on that. Rick, disinfect this house. FFL is worth saving if it can be a safer place for minds to share. Safer means that silence is the worse possible criticism about another poster's contributions. Willy should get to say Willy shit, but Willy shouldn't be allowed to target virtually everyone with derision, smarm, and poisonous innuendo. He's sick, and everyone knows it, and we are supposed to just look the other way when he's peppering the lists with efforts that seek to enrage by any manner? Pure troll. Aaand, the good news is that most of us have allowed ourselves the right to resort to ad hominems, so no need to drag the past posts into this: everyone gets to start with a clear record. Let's see who tries to insult someone first. Starting NOW! On 04/29/2015 01:59 PM, Duveyoung wrote: It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
I never know if Willy Wonko or Steve the Willy Clone ever post unless someone
mentions them.I route all their posts to the trash automatically - it works
very well,
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 8:16 AM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :
I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum,
including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would
require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would
necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be
clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless
full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not
appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I
guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually
and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps
eventually becoming smooth.
Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from
Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on
movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to
contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about.
How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are
new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never
know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting
for.
Willy and Seventhray need to be set free though. There isn't any way anything
they write now could be seen to be constructive. They contribute nothing except
entropy. I admire your optimism if you think they'll change but it's been a
long time and a waste of life for the pair of them.
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Duveyoung
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this
joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the
basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next
interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness
when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant
throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules
could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have
learned to be civil enough.
Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to
be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here.
And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the
others.
I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd
been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO.
So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking
acid-chime everywhere?
And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best
moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care
about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda
here?
Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly
indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with
maggots...because HE PROJECTS.
If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness
would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity
and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have
him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll
derisiveness.
Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having
a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here.
Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when
she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab?
I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Aaand, the good news is that most of us have allowed ourselves the right to resort to ad hominems, so no need to drag the past posts into this: everyone gets to start with a clear record. Let's see who tries to insult someone first. Starting NOW! Good point. The thing that those who are bitching about all the negativity have never understood (Ya listening, Buck and feste and others?) is that ALL THAT BITCHING IS NEGATIVITY. What I'd like to see is someone who is jumping on this We gotta have a moderator silliness to actually defend Judy's recent drive-by as non-negative. From my perspective, what happened was that she got her ego-balloon punctured by Aryavaszhi pointing out how few dues she's actually paid within the organization she shills for, and roared into town to call him a liar. But she couldn't rest with hurling that pisspot full of negativity, so she had to take a few gratuitous swipes at Salyavin and Barry, too. And finally, she went out of her way to point out how little she thinks of EVERYONE here. Not only does she have no interest in the people she calls thugs other than using them as excuses to spread her own negativity, she basically told everyone ELSE at Fairfield Life to fuck off and die, too. Remember the Don't bother to email me because you're not important enough to respond to and You're just not smart enough to figure out why I left stuff? Her drive-by was almost PURE negativity. If FFL actually had the real moderator some are calling for, her recent posts would have been the first ones banned. Just sayin'... :-) She left me feeling sad. Not the being insulted for no reason but the fact that, with all she must have going on, all she had to say was the same old I'm right and you're not and she wasn't. So she would be a bad choice as moderator, except to the people who side with her prejudices of course, which undermines the very concept of moderation. And anyone from our number could have that accusation levelled at them. The Guardian newspaper has a worthwhile moderation system, they have an army of anonymous people who delete posts they think don't come up to the community standards, but you can be left scratching your head about why a well written and cogent post disappears in seconds. A few of us might have had posts deleted but not as many as some would hope. Contrary opinions are OK but denigrating people who can't defend themselves and libellous remarks are deleted straight away. Bad language is tolerated as long as it's a relevant expression of emotion. Insulting people for things beyond their control (race, sexual orientation etc) is also not permitted. Insulting people just for having a contrary opinion is also not permitted but justifying your own position gets you a pass for a lot of expression of anger. It depends on what is being talked about, a news story or another poster. What would they make of our trolls? Willytex and Seventhray would have had their accounts deleted by now for their complete lack of creativity. To exist only to drag others down is a pointless waste of everyone's time. People would report them to the moderators and they would get a warning and then off. I got a load of posts deleted once because I copied the same reply to six different people just to save me time! We should all have a go on the Guardian site and look at what you can get away with and why and then consider our posts here in a similar light. How much of your posts would have disappeared in a heartbeat with that sort of unbiased scrutiny? I read an interview with a legendary internet troll who turned out to be a lonely 14 year old boy living on a remote Scottish island. He is banned from the internet until he has finished university and says it's the best thing that ever happened to him as he has actually got out and met people. It's telling that I offer the same freedom and chance to grow to our trolls and all I get is the pretence of misunderstanding and more abuse in return! This is why I find the idea of a moderator on a site supposedly inhabited by people who have been on a spiritual path for decades as a bit of a sad joke and I usually encourage trolls to hang around as a warning to others about how little you can learn on your journey through life. There's treasure everywhere! From: Duveyoung no_reply@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Question 1: do you read and post on other forums or groups? Maybe a dozen -- there's assholes in all of them, so, yeah, there's that, but here, given the long history of consistent negativity that some folks have manifested here, we can pretty much know who's being
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How much of your posts would have disappeared in a heartbeat with that sort of unbiased scrutiny? Correction: Ours not yours. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Aaand, the good news is that most of us have allowed ourselves the right to resort to ad hominems, so no need to drag the past posts into this: everyone gets to start with a clear record. Let's see who tries to insult someone first. Starting NOW! Good point. The thing that those who are bitching about all the negativity have never understood (Ya listening, Buck and feste and others?) is that ALL THAT BITCHING IS NEGATIVITY. What I'd like to see is someone who is jumping on this We gotta have a moderator silliness to actually defend Judy's recent drive-by as non-negative. From my perspective, what happened was that she got her ego-balloon punctured by Aryavaszhi pointing out how few dues she's actually paid within the organization she shills for, and roared into town to call him a liar. But she couldn't rest with hurling that pisspot full of negativity, so she had to take a few gratuitous swipes at Salyavin and Barry, too. And finally, she went out of her way to point out how little she thinks of EVERYONE here. Not only does she have no interest in the people she calls thugs other than using them as excuses to spread her own negativity, she basically told everyone ELSE at Fairfield Life to fuck off and die, too. Remember the Don't bother to email me because you're not important enough to respond to and You're just not smart enough to figure out why I left stuff? Her drive-by was almost PURE negativity. If FFL actually had the real moderator some are calling for, her recent posts would have been the first ones banned. Just sayin'... :-) She left me feeling sad. Not the being insulted for no reason but the fact that, with all she must have going on, all she had to say was the same old I'm right and you're not and she wasn't. So she would be a bad choice as moderator, except to the people who side with her prejudices of course, which undermines the very concept of moderation. And anyone from our number could have that accusation levelled at them. The Guardian newspaper has a worthwhile moderation system, they have an army of anonymous people who delete posts they think don't come up to the community standards, but you can be left scratching your head about why a well written and cogent post disappears in seconds. A few of us might have had posts deleted but not as many as some would hope. Contrary opinions are OK but denigrating people who can't defend themselves and libellous remarks are deleted straight away. Bad language is tolerated as long as it's a relevant expression of emotion. Insulting people for things beyond their control (race, sexual orientation etc) is also not permitted. Insulting people just for having a contrary opinion is also not permitted but justifying your own position gets you a pass for a lot of expression of anger. It depends on what is being talked about, a news story or another poster. What would they make of our trolls? Willytex and Seventhray would have had their accounts deleted by now for their complete lack of creativity. To exist only to drag others down is a pointless waste of everyone's time. People would report them to the moderators and they would get a warning and then off. I got a load of posts deleted once because I copied the same reply to six different people just to save me time! We should all have a go on the Guardian site and look at what you can get away with and why and then consider our posts here in a similar light. How much of your posts would have disappeared in a heartbeat with that sort of unbiased scrutiny? I read an interview with a legendary internet troll who turned out to be a lonely 14 year old boy living on a remote Scottish island. He is banned from the internet until he has finished university and says it's the best thing that ever happened to him as he has actually got out and met people. It's telling that I offer the same freedom and chance to grow to our trolls and all I get is the pretence of misunderstanding and more abuse in return! This is why I find the idea of a moderator on a site supposedly inhabited by people who have been on a spiritual path for decades as a bit of a sad joke and I usually encourage trolls to hang around as a warning to others about how little you can learn on your journey through life. There's treasure everywhere! From: Duveyoung no_reply@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Question 1: do you read and post on other forums or groups
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Tell me: Who are these most other observers and how do you know what they think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---snip---. To most other observers, it's a boring ass place, made interesting by seeing Barry's pals suck up to him on daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
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Question 1: do you read and post on other forums or groups? Question 2: if so, do you notice a trend towards abrasiveness in posts on those? Question 3: if so, do you find FFL any better or worse? On 04/29/2015 01:59 PM, Duveyoung wrote: It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Question 1: do you read and post on other forums or groups? Maybe a dozen -- there's assholes in all of them, so, yeah, there's that, but here, given the long history of consistent negativity that some folks have manifested here, we can pretty much know who's being a jerkwad pure and simple. Question 2: if so, do you notice a trend towards abrasiveness in posts on those? Not so much, but I'm not trying to see it with any scientific method. Question 3: if so, do you find FFL any better or worse? I find FFL worse because the folks here I know well enough to judge. At reddit or youtube or whatever you can find posters just being as outrageous as possible, but they are easily dismissed by me, because I don't know them. Here, after seeing year after year of the same troll tactics being allowed without a moderator slapping some wrists, well, hell, what kind of result could there be other than that these assholes are allowed to butcher our civility? When I know the person's mind as one that is intent on creating disharmony instead of clarity -- where am I helping by being around such a sick fuck? -- but here we're supposed to suck it?-- because why? -- we're supposed to be some sort of good Samaritans who are above responding to these fucking bugs, these insectoids? Shit on that. Rick, disinfect this house. FFL is worth saving if it can be a safer place for minds to share. Safer means that silence is the worse possible criticism about another poster's contributions. Willy should get to say Willy shit, but Willy shouldn't be allowed to target virtually everyone with derision, smarm, and poisonous innuendo. He's sick, and everyone knows it, and we are supposed to just look the other way when he's peppering the lists with efforts that seek to enrage by any manner? Pure troll. Aaand, the good news is that most of us have allowed ourselves the right to resort to ad hominems, so no need to drag the past posts into this: everyone gets to start with a clear record. Let's see who tries to insult someone first. Starting NOW! On 04/29/2015 01:59 PM, Duveyoung wrote: It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
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Aaand, the good news is that most of us have allowed ourselves the right to resort to ad hominems, so no need to drag the past posts into this: everyone gets to start with a clear record. Let's see who tries to insult someone first. Starting NOW! Good point. The thing that those who are bitching about all the negativity have never understood (Ya listening, Buck and feste and others?) is that ALL THAT BITCHING IS NEGATIVITY. What I'd like to see is someone who is jumping on this We gotta have a moderator silliness to actually defend Judy's recent drive-by as non-negative. From my perspective, what happened was that she got her ego-balloon punctured by Aryavaszhi pointing out how few dues she's actually paid within the organization she shills for, and roared into town to call him a liar. But she couldn't rest with hurling that pisspot full of negativity, so she had to take a few gratuitous swipes at Salyavin and Barry, too. And finally, she went out of her way to point out how little she thinks of EVERYONE here. Not only does she have no interest in the people she calls thugs other than using them as excuses to spread her own negativity, she basically told everyone ELSE at Fairfield Life to fuck off and die, too. Remember the Don't bother to email me because you're not important enough to respond to and You're just not smart enough to figure out why I left stuff? Her drive-by was almost PURE negativity. If FFL actually had the real moderator some are calling for, her recent posts would have been the first ones banned. Just sayin'... :-) From: Duveyoung no_reply@yahoogroups.Sacom To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Question 1: do you read and post onother forums or groups? Maybe a dozen -- there's assholes in all of them, so, yeah, there's that, but here, given the long history of consistent negativity that some folks have manifested here, we can pretty much know who's being a jerkwad pure and simple. Question 2: if so, do you notice a trend towards abrasiveness inposts on those? Not so much, but I'm not trying to see it with any scientific method. Question 3: if so, do you find FFL any better or worse? I find FFL worse because the folks here I know well enough to judge. At reddit or youtube or whatever you can find posters just being as outrageous as possible, but they are easily dismissed by me, because I don't know them. Here, after seeing year after year of the same troll tactics being allowed without a moderator slapping some wrists, well, hell, what kind of result could there be other than that these assholes are allowed to butcher our civility? When I know the person's mind as one that is intent on creating disharmony instead of clarity -- where am I helping by being around such a sick fuck? -- but here we're supposed to suck it?-- because why? -- we're supposed to be some sort of good Samaritans who are above responding to these fucking bugs, these insectoids? Shit on that. Rick, disinfect this house. FFL is worth saving if it can be a safer place for minds to share. Safer means that silence is the worse possible criticism about another poster's contributions. Willy should get to say Willy shit, but Willy shouldn't be allowed to target virtually everyone with derision, smarm, and poisonous innuendo. He's sick, and everyone knows it, and we are supposed to just look the other way when he's peppering the lists with efforts that seek to enrage by any manner? Pure troll. Aaand, the good news is that most of us have allowed ourselves the right to resort to ad hominems, so no need to drag the past posts into this: everyone gets to start with a clear record. Let's see who tries to insult someone first. Starting NOW! On 04/29/2015 01:59 PM, Duveyoung wrote: It's a shame that this joint isn't something muchbetter. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basisof it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'llnext interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have thissame zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping theFFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreantthrow shit-pies into the faces of some very solidthinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by ahands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned tobe civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea ofcommunity. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is thevery heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedlyabrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such ashit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on allof us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep thehate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange
