subject:"Re\: \[FairfieldLife\] Fw\: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool."

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-09 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Thanks Doug. I don't want to imply that those like "Karl" (Whose piece I have 
yet to read...) may not be entirely objective in their assessment, though it is 
much more valuable in any case to hear your direct observations. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, I've walked around inspecting the Dome several times the last few weeks. 
It is fine. I am not concerned. I have done that kind of work and they are 
doing fine. The structure is easy to work on. Some kids were around traveling 
with the crew but not handling or applying the material. For the type of work 
and type of applicator you don't necessarily need respirators. You apply it 
from the up wind side. The report by Karl seems overblown concern. The 
facilities people at the university researched options for the job and found a 
company that would give a 10 year guarantee on the work. The previous 
contractor the last time the roofing job was done is not around.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As far as I can see, this thread is based entirely on unverified statements 
made by someone called Karl, and yet those statements are being treated as 
facts, leading to a bash-the-TMO fest. 
 

 I don't know about the bash fest but I certainly had the thought that this one 
post about someone's (Karl's, presumably) concerns about carcinogenic dome 
materials and underage, under protected, underpaid workers is unsubstantiated 
at this point. It wouldn't be hard to do a little detective work in the space 
of 24 hours to find out if any of it is true. Certainly, if I was in FF and 
worried about it I would have already started finding facts out. Has anyone 
here done that at all?
 

snippity snip

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-09 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Thanks for this - I read most of the MUM Strategic Plan, and it is on par with
any corporate annual report. I appreciated the level of detail, such as a line
item budget, and reasonable growth expectations. The level of detail is
appropriate too, so that this could be used as a working document to get
started.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

The physical condition of campus? It is a well-enough functioning university
campus. Always work in process around the whole campus but it is manifestly
being worked on by conscious strategic planning. Some of the Trustees are more
proactive now with their money supporting things strategically. Things improved
as Bevan was removed as chairman of the board of trustees. Though still as
university president with some people who serve at his pleasure they still sit
on things. But there yet are a lot of good people in it altruistically.

http://portals.mum.edu/TempDocuments/393_MUM_Strategic_Plan_%E2%80%93_First_Revision_Spring_2014.pdf

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

To clarify, similar to Mike D. I am a fan of TM and Maharishi's knowledge.
However, the difference between my personal life experience of all things TM,
and my experiences with, and stories told about, the TMO are sometimes at odds,
and not in a good way. I am not out to bash them, more to explore what might be
causing the issues, along the lines of Doug's comments. I also recognize it is
a sensitive subject.

As a resident of Fairfield, what is your take on the overall condition of the
MUM campus?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

As far as I can see, this thread is based entirely on unverified statements
made by someone called Karl, and yet those statements are being treated as
facts, leading to a bash-the-TMO fest.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

I am curious if the world outside the various Movement environs, is still
referred to, disparagingly, as "the relative"? It was big back in the '80's,
and could account for the lackadaisical attitude dealing with govt. agencies,
etc., but hopefully the mindset has changed.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

This would actually be going against the *culture* of theTMO. Loyalty would be
challenged. If you think going to see another guru is Verboten, try calling
OSHA on the TMO! You would instantly be the Judas of the movement. Am I wrong
or am I just too *negative*? Really, I like Maharishi and TM but in Kali yuga
*everything* is tainted!

From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green.
Not leadership. Not Cool.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra
can't take going there more than once in a while.

Has anyone thought to actually get in an air quality control professional who
can test the mold spores in the air? Or the formaldehyde or other such
contaminants? This isn't rocket science and as administrator or someone
associated with the place I would insist on it. It is only responsible to do so
and is a no brainer given the fact you are offering a facility to the public
where there might be health concerns arising from bad air quality. Why not put
a bug in the ear of non MUM officials in town whose job it might be to inspect
these places? Blow the whistle, so to speak, given real concerns about not only
the engineering but the health issues this would be incumbent on someone to do
so. Hell, I'll do it! I'm good at raising a little hell...LOL
Or, are the townfolk in the pockets of MUM administration? Or, are there even
any native town folk left??

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Re: the supposed mold. This rumor gets re-circulated. Things got changed quite
a lot when they changed the entrance for the men's Dome to the East side of the
Dome and built the entryway/ coat room there a few years ago. That closed off
the basement level entry to the Dome. The air-handling system was invested in
and changed then too in major ways. Also new foam and linens got ordered and
replaced the old. There is a regular system for reducing dust by laundering
sheets. Actually the Quality of the air is quite good now relative to what was
the mold problem.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
wrote :

what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer 
neglect. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful 
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of 
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing 
material that could be used on such a structure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the lungs. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? 
Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance 
to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the 
Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer work? Are they 
union? Are they undercutting union workers?
 

 I would imagine the substance being used on the domes is some sort of sealer 
and wood preserver, among other things, and that would mean some sort of either 
creosote or petroleum product as in tar. These things are carcinogenic, as are 
a multitude of other products including glues, foams etc. Unfortunately, 
undertaking a heavy duty roofing job has to include toxic materials as I don't 
believe the Iowa weather is conducive to banana leaves or palm fronds providing 
adequate cover over a shelter. On the other hand, workmen should be adequately 
protected against these fumes and other ways in which these waterproofers and 
sealers can get all over you. To be working without respirators and adequate 
suits and gloves would be idiotic and most likely against the law.
 

 From: "Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FFL Post  
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not 
leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   
 Of possible interest here...

 - Forwarded Message -
 From: "Fairfield Citizen karlherzl2008@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:44 AM
 Subject: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
 Hello - 
 Perhaps the group could offer insights into this controversy. It appears the 
repair job on the roof of the meditation dome for men is being done with highly 
toxic, suspected carcinogenic, chemical products, and Amish contractors who use 
teenage laborers. Some of these laborers appear very young. No safety gear 
appears to be in use.
 

 Questions:
 

 Why is the college using toxic (suspected carcinogen) products on the dome 
roof repair?
 

 Why is the college not requiring protective equipment on adults and teens 
working on the roof as a condition of the contract? (Harnesses, respirators, 
clothing)
 

 Is the roof repair project genuinely compliant with Iowa and Federal law 
regarding dangerous workplaces and children? Is the system being gamed?
 

 Why is a college that offers degrees in sustainable living, and loudly touts 
itself as organic, sustainable, Non-GMO and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful 
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of 
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing 
material that could be used on such a structure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the lungs. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? 
Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance 
to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the 
Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer work? Are they 
union? Are they undercutting union workers?
 

 I would imagine the substance being used on the domes is some sort of sealer 
and wood preserver, among other things, and that would mean some sort of either 
creosote or petroleum product as in tar. These things are carcinogenic, as are 
a multitude of other products including glues, foams etc. Unfortunately, 
undertaking a heavy duty roofing job has to include toxic materials as I don't 
believe the Iowa weather is conducive to banana leaves or palm fronds providing 
adequate cover over a shelter. On the other hand, workmen should be adequately 
protected against these fumes and other ways in which these waterproofers and 
sealers can get all over you. To be working without respirators and adequate 
suits and gloves would be idiotic and most likely against the law.
 

 From: "Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FFL Post  
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not 
leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   
 Of possible interest here...

 - Forwarded Message -
 From: "Fairfield Citizen karlherzl2008@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:44 AM
 Subject: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
 Hello - 
 Perhaps the group could offer insights into this controversy. It appears the 
repair job on the roof of the meditation dome for men is being done with highly 
toxic, suspected carcinogenic, chemical products, and Amish contractors who use 
teenage laborers. Some of these laborers appear very young. No safety gear 
appears to be in use.
 

 Questions:
 

 Why is the college using toxic (suspected carcinogen) products on the dome 
roof repair?
 

 Why is the college not requiring protective equipment on adults and teens 
working on the roof as a condition of the contract? (Harnesses, respirators, 
clothing)
 

 Is the roof repair project genuinely compliant with Iowa and Federal law 
regarding dangerous workplaces and children? Is the system being gamed?
 

 Why is a college that offers degrees in sustainable living, and loudly touts 
itself as organic, sustainable, Non-GMO and "conscious" using toxic chemicals 
on the roof of their meditation dome?
 

 Why didn't the college insist on the use of green products, consult with green 
experts or follow LEEDS best-practices and guidelines?
 

 A survey asking for community feedback about these issues was shared today: 
 

 https://surveyplanet.com/preview/55ed8b0a4f05a0ab3c6fbe27 
https://surveyplanet.com/preview/55ed8b0a4f05a0ab3c6fbe27

 

 Thanks -
 Karl

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread feste37

As far as I can see, this thread is based entirely on unverified statements 
made by someone called Karl, and yet those statements are being treated as 
facts, leading to a bash-the-TMO fest. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I am curious if the world outside the various Movement environs, is still 
referred to, disparagingly, as "the relative"? It was big back in the '80's, 
and could account for the lackadaisical attitude dealing with govt. agencies, 
etc., but hopefully the mindset has changed. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This would actually be going against the *culture* of theTMO. Loyalty would be 
challenged. If you think going to see another guru is Verboten, try calling 
OSHA on the TMO! You would instantly be the Judas of the movement. Am I wrong 
or am I just too *negative*? Really, I like Maharishi and TM but in Kali yuga 
*everything* is tainted!

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra 
can't take going there more than once in a while.
 

 Has anyone thought to actually get in an air quality control professional who 
can test the mold spores in the air? Or the formaldehyde or other such 
contaminants? This isn't rocket science and as administrator or someone 
associated with the place I would insist on it. It is only responsible to do so 
and is a no brainer given the fact you are offering a facility to the public 
where there might be health concerns arising from bad air quality. Why not put 
a bug in the ear of non MUM officials in town whose job it might be to inspect 
these places? Blow the whistle, so to speak, given real concerns about not only 
the engineering but the health issues this would be incumbent on someone to do 
so. Hell, I'll do it! I'm good at raising a little hell...LOL
 Or, are the townfolk in the pockets of MUM administration? Or, are there even 
any native town folk left??

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re: the supposed mold. This rumor gets re-circulated. Things got changed quite 
a lot when they changed the entrance for the men's Dome to the East side of the 
Dome and built the entryway/ coat room there a few years ago. That closed off 
the basement level entry to the Dome. The air-handling system was invested in 
and changed then too in major ways. Also new foam and linens got ordered and 
replaced the old. There is a regular system for reducing dust by laundering 
sheets. Actually the Quality of the air is quite good now relative to what was 
the mold problem.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, 
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is 
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things 
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer neglect.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

To clarify, similar to Mike D. I am a fan of TM and Maharishi's knowledge. 
However, the difference between my personal life experience of all things TM, 
and my experiences with, and stories told about, the TMO are sometimes at odds, 
and not in a good way. I am not out to bash them, more to explore what might be 
causing the issues, along the lines of Doug's comments. I also recognize it is 
a sensitive subject. 

 As a resident of Fairfield, what is your take on the overall condition of the 
MUM campus? 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As far as I can see, this thread is based entirely on unverified statements 
made by someone called Karl, and yet those statements are being treated as 
facts, leading to a bash-the-TMO fest. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I am curious if the world outside the various Movement environs, is still 
referred to, disparagingly, as "the relative"? It was big back in the '80's, 
and could account for the lackadaisical attitude dealing with govt. agencies, 
etc., but hopefully the mindset has changed. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This would actually be going against the *culture* of theTMO. Loyalty would be 
challenged. If you think going to see another guru is Verboten, try calling 
OSHA on the TMO! You would instantly be the Judas of the movement. Am I wrong 
or am I just too *negative*? Really, I like Maharishi and TM but in Kali yuga 
*everything* is tainted!

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra 
can't take going there more than once in a while.
 

 Has anyone thought to actually get in an air quality control professional who 
can test the mold spores in the air? Or the formaldehyde or other such 
contaminants? This isn't rocket science and as administrator or someone 
associated with the place I would insist on it. It is only responsible to do so 
and is a no brainer given the fact you are offering a facility to the public 
where there might be health concerns arising from bad air quality. Why not put 
a bug in the ear of non MUM officials in town whose job it might be to inspect 
these places? Blow the whistle, so to speak, given real concerns about not only 
the engineering but the health issues this would be incumbent on someone to do 
so. Hell, I'll do it! I'm good at raising a little hell...LOL
 Or, are the townfolk in the pockets of MUM administration? Or, are there even 
any native town folk left??

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re: the supposed mold. This rumor gets re-circulated. Things got changed quite 
a lot when they changed the entrance for the men's Dome to the East side of the 
Dome and built the entryway/ coat room there a few years ago. That closed off 
the basement level entry to the Dome. The air-handling system was invested in 
and changed then too in major ways. Also new foam and linens got ordered and 
replaced the old. There is a regular system for reducing dust by laundering 
sheets. Actually the Quality of the air is quite good now relative to what was 
the mold problem.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, 
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is 
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things 
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Re: the supposed mold. This rumor gets re-circulated. Things got changed quite 
a lot when they changed the entrance for the men's Dome to the East side of the 
Dome and built the entryway/ coat room there a few years ago. That closed off 
the basement level entry to the Dome. The air-handling system was invested in 
and changed then too in major ways. Also new foam and linens got ordered and 
replaced the old. There is a regular system for reducing dust by laundering 
sheets. Actually the Quality of the air is quite good now relative to what was 
the mold problem.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, 
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is 
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things 
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

 

 From: "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer neglect.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful 
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of 
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing 
material that could be used on such a structure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the lungs. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? 
Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance 
to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the 
Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer work? Are they 
union? Are they undercutting union workers?
 

 I would imagine the substance being used on the domes is some sort of sealer 
and wood preserver, among other things, and that would mean some sort of either 
creosote or petroleum product as in tar. These things are carcinogenic, as are 
a multitude of other products including glues, foams etc. Unfortunately, 
undertaking a heavy duty roofing job has to include toxic materials as I don't 
believe the Iowa weather is conducive to banana leaves or palm fronds providing 
adequate cover over a shelter. On the other hand, workmen should be adequately 
protected against these fumes and other ways in which these waterproofers and 
sealers can get all over you. To be working without respirators and adequate 
suits and gloves would be idiotic and most likely against the law.
 

 From: "Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FFL Post  
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not 
leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   
 Of possible interest here...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Very short-sighted. Though the folks who have the responsibility to spread TM 
are probably clueless on how to run a university. Spiritual organizations seem 
generally piss poor at this kind of boring, sustainable activity, since the 
interest is ALWAYS on the front-lines and the leaders. There is also no 
'spiritual administration' degree offered in schools, so the requirements for 
managing things are very subjective, often dependent on who the leader favored, 
vs. competence. Last, there may be some magical thinking going on, or at least 
rationalized denial. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, 
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is 
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things 
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer neglect.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful 
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of 
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing 
material that could be used on such a structure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the lungs. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? 
Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance 
to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the 
Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer work? Are they 
union? Are they undercutting union workers?
 

 I would imagine the substance being used on the domes is some sort of sealer 
and wood preserver, among other things, and that would mean some sort of either 
creosote or petroleum product as in tar. These things are carcinogenic, as are 
a multitude of other products including glues, foams etc. Unfortunately, 
undertaking a heavy duty roofing job has to include toxic materials as I don't 
believe the Iowa weather is conducive to banana leaves or palm fronds providing 
adequate cover over a shelter. On the other hand, workmen should be adequately 
protected against these fumes and other ways in which these waterproofers and 
sealers can get all over you. To be working without respirators and adequate 
suits and gloves would be idiotic and most likely against the law.
 

 From: "Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FFL Post  
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not 
leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   
 Of possible interest here...

 - Forwarded

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.
 

 Whew boy, I've never been in the domes and probably thank Robin Carlsen for 
that (laughs). Why in the world would the domes not have been constructed 
properly with a foundation that is waterproof and sound? These structures look 
relatively massive - surely you would make sure they were engineered 
adequately? Anyway, between the human sweat, respiration and resident flying 
foam that has probably been stewing in the domes for decades I would be happy 
to give it all a big miss even if I were practicing the siddhis. Yuck.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful 
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of 
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing 
material that could be used on such a structure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the lungs. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? 
Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance 
to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the 
Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer work? Are they 
union? Are they undercutting union workers?
 

 I would imagine the substance being used on the domes is some sort of sealer 
and wood preserver, among other things, and that would mean some sort of either 
creosote or petroleum product as in tar. These things are carcinogenic, as are 
a multitude of other products including glues, foams etc. Unfortunately, 
undertaking a heavy duty roofing job has to include toxic materials as I don't 
believe the Iowa weather is conducive to banana leaves or palm fronds providing 
adequate cover over a shelter. On the other hand, workmen should be adequately 
protected against these fumes and other ways in which these waterproofers and 
sealers can get all over you. To be working without respirators and adequate 
suits and gloves would be idiotic and most likely against the law.
 

 From: "Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FFL Post  
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not 
leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   
 Of possible interest here...

 - Forwarded Message -
 From: "Fairfield Citizen karlherzl2008@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:44 AM
 Subject: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
 Hello - 
 Perhaps the group could offer insights into this controversy. It appears the 
repair job on the roof of the meditation dome for men is being done with highly 
toxic, suspected carcinogenic, chemical products, and Amish contractors who use 
teenage laborers. Some of these laborers appear very young. No safety gear 
appears to be in use.
 

 Questions:
 

 Why is the college using toxic (suspected carcinogen) products on the dome 
roof repair?
 

 Why is the college not requiring protective equipment on adults and teens 
working on the roof as a condition of the contract? (Harnesses, respirators, 
clothing)
 

 Is the roof repair project genuinely compliant with Iowa and Federal law 
regarding dangerous workplaces and children? Is the system being gamed?
 

 Why is a college that offers degrees in sustainable living, and loudly touts 
itself as organic, sustainable, Non-GMO and "conscious" using toxic chemicals 
on the roof of their meditation dome?
 

 Why didn't the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Very short-sighted. Though the folks who have the responsibility to spread TM 
are probably clueless on how to run a university. Spiritual organizations seem 
generally piss poor at this kind of boring, sustainable activity, since the 
interest is ALWAYS on the front-lines and the leaders. There is also no 
'spiritual administration' degree offered in schools, so the requirements for 
managing things are very subjective, often dependent on who the leader favored, 
vs. competence. Last, there may be some magical thinking going on, or at least 
rationalized denial.
 

 I think your "magical thinking" has hit the nail on the head. Support of 
nature and all that garble - just build it out of icing sugar and it will stand 
forever as testimony to the glory of The Teaching! Who designed the domes? Who 
engineered them? Who actually built them? How much was town labor or expertise 
as opposed to roo input? Who was the final "yes, go ahead this looks great and 
sound" man or woman? Did FF have to okay engineering and building and 
inspection permits all along the way or were there bribes or inside jobs? 
Anybody know?
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, 
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is 
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things 
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer neglect.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful 
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of 
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing 
material that could be used on such a structure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the lungs. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? 
Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance 
to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the 
Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer work? Are they 
union? Are they undercutting union workers?
 

 I would imagine the substance being used on the domes is some sort of sealer 
and wood preserver, among other things, and that would mean some sort of either 
creosote or petroleum product as in tar. These things are carcinogenic, as are 
a multitude of other products including glues, foams etc. Unfortunately, 
undertaking a heavy duty roofing job has to include toxic materials as I don't 
believe the Iowa weather is conducive to banana leaves or palm fronds providing 
adequate cover over a shelter. On the other hand, workmen should be adequately 
protected against

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Good observation about administration of spiritual orgs.  I was at a meeting 
last night that was all about mitigating this.  A clear and present danger that 
is a real problem for the survival of the university [and Domes] is with a 
character of a few conservative belief-based ideologues that occupy key 
position.  The metrics for a very long time for the university are all about 
attrition.  This is about the toxicity of movement culture and it is getting 
down to an urgent point of survival of the very university if people don't 
change. 

 That though is different than this re-roofing the Domes.  Re-roofing the Domes 
is a tip of an iceberg underneath.  -JaiGuruYou!   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Very short-sighted. Though the folks who have the responsibility to spread TM 
are probably clueless on how to run a university. Spiritual organizations seem 
generally piss poor at this kind of boring, sustainable activity, since the 
interest is ALWAYS on the front-lines and the leaders. There is also no 
'spiritual administration' degree offered in schools, so the requirements for 
managing things are very subjective, often dependent on who the leader favored, 
vs. competence. Last, there may be some magical thinking going on, or at least 
rationalized denial. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, 
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is 
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things 
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer neglect.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful 
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of 
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing 
material that could be used on such a structure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the lungs. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? 
Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance 
to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the 
Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer work? Are they 
union? Are they undercutting union workers?
 

 I would imagine the substance being used on the domes is some sort of sealer 
and wood preserver, among other things, and that would mean some sort of either 
creosote or petroleum product as in tar. These things are carcinogenic, as are 
a multitude of other products including glues, foams etc. Unfortunately, 
undertaking a heavy duty roofing job has to include toxic materials as I don't 
believe the Iowa weather is conducive to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread feste37

Summer of 1993. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful 
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of 
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing 
material that could be used on such a structure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the lungs. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? 
Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance 
to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the 
Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer work? Are they 
union? Are they undercutting union workers?
 

 I would imagine the substance being used on the domes is some sort of sealer 
and wood preserver, among other things, and that would mean some sort of either 
creosote or petroleum product as in tar. These things are carcinogenic, as are 
a multitude of other products including glues, foams etc. Unfortunately, 
undertaking a heavy duty roofing job has to include toxic materials as I don't 
believe the Iowa weather is conducive to banana leaves or palm fronds providing 
adequate cover over a shelter. On the other hand, workmen should be adequately 
protected against these fumes and other ways in which these waterproofers and 
sealers can get all over you. To be working without respirators and adequate 
suits and gloves would be idiotic and most likely against the law.
 

 From: "Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FFL Post  
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not 
leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   
 Of possible interest here...

 - Forwarded Message -
 From: "Fairfield Citizen karlherzl2008@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:44 AM
 Subject: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
 Hello - 
 Perhaps the group could offer insights into this controversy. It appears the 
repair job on the roof of the meditation dome for men is being done with highly 
toxic, suspected carcinogenic, chemical products, and Amish contractors who use 
teenage laborers. Some of these laborers appear very young. No safety gear 
appears to be in use.
 

 Questions:
 

 Why is the college using toxic (suspected carcinogen) products on the dome 
roof repair?
 

 Why is the college not requiring protective equipment on adults and teens 
working on the roof as a condition of the contract? (Harnesses, respirators, 
clothing)
 

 Is the roof repair project genuinely compliant with Iowa and Federal law 
regarding dangerous workplaces and children? Is the system being gamed?
 

 Why is a college that offers degrees in sustainable living, and loudly touts 
itself as organic, sustainable, Non-GMO and "conscious" using toxic chemicals 
on the roof of their meditation dome?
 

 Why didn't the college insist on the use of green products, consult with green 
experts or follow LEEDS best-practices and guidelines?
 

 A survey asking for community feedback about these issues was shared today: 
 

 https://surveyplanet.com/preview/55ed8b0a4f05a0ab3c6fbe27 
https://surveyplanet.com/preview/55ed8b0a4f05a0ab3c6fbe27

 

 Thanks -
 Karl

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra
can't take going there more than once in a while.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2012/06/is-poor-indoor-air-quality-making-you-sick/index.htm

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
wrote :

what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with,
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

From: "olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]"

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green.
Not leadership. Not Cool.

I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad.
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer neglect.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
wrote :

I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods,
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to
the curb.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing
material that could be used on such a structure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
wrote :

I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too,
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal,
getting into the lungs.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
wrote

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, 
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is 
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things 
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

  From: "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.

    I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer neglect.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful 
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of 
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing 
material that could be used on such a structure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the lungs.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? 
Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance 
to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the 
Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer work? Are they 
union? Are they undercutting union workers?
I would imagine the substance being used on the domes is some sort of sealer 
and wood preserver, among other things, and that would mean some sort of either 
creosote or petroleum product as in tar. These things are carcinogenic, as are 
a multitude of other products including glues, foams etc. Unfortunately, 
undertaking a heavy duty roofing job has to include toxic materials as I don't 
believe the Iowa weather is conducive to banana leaves or palm fronds providing 
adequate cover over a shelter. On the other hand, workmen should be adequately 
protected against these fumes and other ways in which these waterproofers and 
sealers can get all over you. To be working without respirators and adequate 
suits and gloves would be idiotic and most likely against the law.

  From: "Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FFL Post  
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not 
leadership. Not Cool.

 Of possible interest here...
 - Forwarded Message -
  From: "Fairfield Citizen karlherzl2008@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:44 AM
 Subject: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

Hello -
Perhaps the group could offer insights into this controversy. It appears the 
repair job on the roof of the meditation dome for men is being done with highly 
toxic, suspected carcinogenic, chemical products, and Amish contractors who use 
teenage laborers. Some of these laborers appear very young. No safety gear 
appears to be in use.
Questions:
Why is the college using toxic (suspected carcinogen) products on the dome roof 
repair?
Why is the college not requiring protective equipment on adults and teens

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

You're right, summer of '93, thank you. That's when we first started building 
our house out in the country, but the year that stands out in my mind is 1994, 
when we first moved in.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Summer of 1993. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful 
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of 
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing 
material that could be used on such a structure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra can't 
take going there more than once in a while.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re: the supposed mold. This rumor gets re-circulated. Things got changed quite 
a lot when they changed the entrance for the men's Dome to the East side of the 
Dome and built the entryway/ coat room there a few years ago. That closed off 
the basement level entry to the Dome. The air-handling system was invested in 
and changed then too in major ways. Also new foam and linens got ordered and 
replaced the old. There is a regular system for reducing dust by laundering 
sheets. Actually the Quality of the air is quite good now relative to what was 
the mold problem.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, 
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is 
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things 
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

 

 From: "olliesed...@yahoo.com mailto:olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer neglect.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful 
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of 
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing 
material that could be used on such a structure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the lungs. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? 
Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance 
to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the 
Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer work? Are they 
union? Are they undercutting union workers?
 

 I would imagine the substance being used on the domes is some sort of sealer 
and wood preserver, among other things, and that would mean some sort of either 
creosote or petroleum product as in tar. These things are carcinogenic, as are 
a multitude of other products including glues, foams etc. Unfortunately, 
undertaking a heavy duty roofing job has to include toxic materials as I don't 
believe the Iowa weather is conducive to banana leaves or palm fronds providing 
adequate cover over a shelter. On the other hand, workmen should be adequately 
protected against these fumes and other ways in which these waterproofers and 
sealers can get all over you. To be working without respirators and adequate 
suits and gloves would be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

This would actually be going against the *culture* of theTMO. Loyalty would be 
challenged. If you think going to see another guru is Verboten, try calling 
OSHA on the TMO! You would instantly be the Judas of the movement. Am I wrong 
or am I just too *negative*? Really, I like Maharishi and TM but in Kali yuga 
*everything* is tainted!

  From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra can't 
take going there more than once in a while.
Has anyone thought to actually get in an air quality control professional who 
can test the mold spores in the air? Or the formaldehyde or other such 
contaminants? This isn't rocket science and as administrator or someone 
associated with the place I would insist on it. It is only responsible to do so 
and is a no brainer given the fact you are offering a facility to the public 
where there might be health concerns arising from bad air quality. Why not put 
a bug in the ear of non MUM officials in town whose job it might be to inspect 
these places? Blow the whistle, so to speak, given real concerns about not only 
the engineering but the health issues this would be incumbent on someone to do 
so. Hell, I'll do it! I'm good at raising a little hell...LOL
Or, are the townfolk in the pockets of MUM administration? Or, are there even 
any native town folk left??

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Re: the supposed mold. This rumor getsre-circulated. Things got changed quite a 
lot when they changed theentrance for the men's Dome to the East side of the 
Dome and built theentryway/ coat room there a few years ago. That closed off 
the basement levelentry to the Dome. The air-handling system was invested in 
andchanged then too in major ways. Also new foam and linens got orderedand 
replaced the old. There is a regular system for reducing dust bylaundering 
sheets. Actually the Quality of the air is quite goodnow relative to what was 
the mold problem.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, 
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is 
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things 
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

  From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.

 I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer neglect.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful 
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of 
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing 
material that could be used on such a structure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the lungs.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I was getting ready to suggest an Ozone generator.I think most people freak at 
the idea because they think of ozone pollution on the streets like LA.Ca.  
Ozone generators create oxygen rich air, 03. One molecule brakes off and 
attaches to pollutants, oxidizing the pollutant, leaving purer 02 rich air. Had 
a generator for my house years ago, kept it fresh like rain cleansed air.

 

 Funny isn't it? How people react to the word "ozone" because they only know 
about it in one context. But really, for me, I would simply want an air quality 
test made and then all the fear mongering or doubts could be put to rest once 
you find out how bad or not bad it really is. Once you determine that, the 
remedy can be applied, if there is one other than tear the places down.
 

 
 snip

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread feste37

Is she extra-super-sensitive to such things? I have a friend who also has a 
fairly "delicate" physiology that can react to pollution, but she has recently 
started going to the dome again after quite a long absence and has not reported 
any problem with the air there.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra 
can't take going there more than once in a while.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re: the supposed mold. This rumor gets re-circulated. Things got changed quite 
a lot when they changed the entrance for the men's Dome to the East side of the 
Dome and built the entryway/ coat room there a few years ago. That closed off 
the basement level entry to the Dome. The air-handling system was invested in 
and changed then too in major ways. Also new foam and linens got ordered and 
replaced the old. There is a regular system for reducing dust by laundering 
sheets. Actually the Quality of the air is quite good now relative to what was 
the mold problem.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, 
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is 
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things 
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer neglect.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful 
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of 
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing 
material that could be used on such a structure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the lungs. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? 
Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance 
to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the 
Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer work? Are they 
union? Are they undercutting union workers?
 

 I would imagine the substance being used on the domes is some sort of sealer 
and wood preserver, among other things, and that would mean some sort of either 
creosote or petroleum product as in tar. These things are carcinogenic, as are 
a multitude of other products including glues, foams etc. Unfortunately, 
undertaking a heavy duty roofing job has to include toxic materials as I don't 
believe the Iowa weather

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 Yes, in recent years she has become increasingly sensitive.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Is she extra-super-sensitive to such things? I have a friend who also has a 
fairly "delicate" physiology that can react to pollution, but she has recently 
started going to the dome again after quite a long absence and has not reported 
any problem with the air there.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra 
can't take going there more than once in a while.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Re: the supposed mold. This rumor gets re-circulated. Things got changed quite 
a lot when they changed the entrance for the men's Dome to the East side of the 
Dome and built the entryway/ coat room there a few years ago. That closed off 
the basement level entry to the Dome. The air-handling system was invested in 
and changed then too in major ways. Also new foam and linens got ordered and 
replaced the old. There is a regular system for reducing dust by laundering 
sheets. Actually the Quality of the air is quite good now relative to what was 
the mold problem.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, 
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is 
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things 
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer neglect.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful 
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of 
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing 
material that could be used on such a structure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the lungs. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? 
Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance 
to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the 
Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer work? Are they 
union? Are they undercutting union workers?
 

 I would imagine the substance being used on the domes is some sort of sealer 
and wood preserver, among other things, and that would mean some sort of either 
creosote or petroleum product as in tar.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I was getting ready to suggest an Ozone generator.I think most people freak at
the idea because they think of ozone pollution on the streets like LA.Ca.
Ozone generators create oxygen rich air, 03. One molecule brakes off and
attaches to pollutants, oxidizing the pollutant, leaving purer 02 rich air. Had
a generator for my house years ago, kept it fresh like rain cleansed air.

From: "j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green.
Not leadership. Not Cool.

They've tried various methods over the years to remedy the air in the ladies'
dome. Many years ago, we donated money for large ozone generators to be
installed that would be run when the dome was empty and shut off an hour or two
before program. But, certain individuals completely lost their shit that ozone
was being used at all, regardless of the reality that it wouldn't be present by
program time, and I'm pretty sure that method was ultimately discontinued. And,
I'm not sure it did all that much, anyway.

As for the men's dome, they may have changed the entrance setup, but that
basement still exists underneath it. The air handling equipment may have been
massively upgraded, but it's still down there in the basement. Has anything
been done to prevent mold from growing down there? Doug?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra can't
take going there more than once in a while.
Has anyone thought to actually get in an air quality control professional who
can test the mold spores in the air? Or the formaldehyde or other such
contaminants? This isn't rocket science and as administrator or someone
associated with the place I would insist on it. It is only responsible to do so
and is a no brainer given the fact you are offering a facility to the public
where there might be health concerns arising from bad air quality. Why not put
a bug in the ear of non MUM officials in town whose job it might be to inspect
these places? Blow the whistle, so to speak, given real concerns about not only
the engineering but the health issues this would be incumbent on someone to do
so. Hell, I'll do it! I'm good at raising a little hell...LOL
Or, are the townfolk in the pockets of MUM administration? Or, are there even
any native town folk left??
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2012/06/is-poor-indoor-air-quality-making-you-sick/index.htm

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Re: the supposed mold. This rumor getsre-circulated. Things got changed quite a
lot when they changed theentrance for the men's Dome to the East side of the
Dome and built theentryway/ coat room there a few years ago. That closed off
the basement levelentry to the Dome. The air-handling system was invested in
andchanged then too in major ways. Also new foam and linens got orderedand
replaced the old. There is a regular system for reducing dust bylaundering
sheets. Actually the Quality of the air is quite goodnow relative to what was
the mold problem.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green.
Not leadership. Not Cool.

I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods,
and water

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It seems the only way to counter such a situation is to create a management 
group, paid real-world wages to maintain the property. The current unbalanced 
attitude of all the attention on managing the knowledge, with little thought 
given to the infrastructure, isn't working. Though in order to create the will 
to move forward, the larger issue as you say, is to get past the politics, 
which in any spiritual or religious organization, are incredibly entrenched. 
 

 Good points. Also, when it is all insider goings on it is hard to move beyond 
not only the party line but with the need to keep things looking okay dokey you 
don't want some outsider coming along and sounding any alarm with regards to 
the fact you might have to have a giant overhaul of some aspect of your 
structure, let alone tell people they might come down with some preventable 
disease within the next few years.
 

 Revolutionary movements don't attract good administrators. It is a different 
skill set, and during phase two, once the the change is established, and the 
prime leader gone, such movements, both political and spiritual, have been 
historically prone to the sort of dictatorship now evident at MUM. Dr. Nader 
though very well meaning, is too academically oriented to take on the COO 
(Chief Operations Officer) role, though that is the position needed now, with 
the will to support it.
 

 Outside blood in always a healthy infusion. Once anything becomes too inbred 
you get real problems.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good observation about administration of spiritual orgs.  I was at a meeting 
last night that was all about mitigating this.  A clear and present danger that 
is a real problem for the survival of the university [and Domes] is with a 
character of a few conservative belief-based ideologues that occupy key 
position.  The metrics for a very long time for the university are all about 
attrition.  This is about the toxicity of movement culture and it is getting 
down to an urgent point of survival of the very university if people don't 
change. 

 That though is different than this re-roofing the Domes.  Re-roofing the Domes 
is a tip of an iceberg underneath.  -JaiGuruYou!   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Very short-sighted. Though the folks who have the responsibility to spread TM 
are probably clueless on how to run a university. Spiritual organizations seem 
generally piss poor at this kind of boring, sustainable activity, since the 
interest is ALWAYS on the front-lines and the leaders. There is also no 
'spiritual administration' degree offered in schools, so the requirements for 
managing things are very subjective, often dependent on who the leader favored, 
vs. competence. Last, there may be some magical thinking going on, or at least 
rationalized denial. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, 
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is 
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things 
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer neglect.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As far as I can see, this thread is based entirely on unverified statements 
made by someone called Karl, and yet those statements are being treated as 
facts, leading to a bash-the-TMO fest. 
 

 I don't know about the bash fest but I certainly had the thought that this one 
post about someone's (Karl's, presumably) concerns about carcinogenic dome 
materials and underage, under protected, underpaid workers is unsubstantiated 
at this point. It wouldn't be hard to do a little detective work in the space 
of 24 hours to find out if any of it is true. Certainly, if I was in FF and 
worried about it I would have already started finding facts out. Has anyone 
here done that at all?
 

snippity snip

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Yes, I've walked around inspecting the Dome several times the last few weeks. 
It is fine. I am not concerned. I have done that kind of work and they are 
doing fine. The structure is easy to work on. Some kids were around traveling 
with the crew but not handling or applying the material. For the type of work 
and type of applicator you don't necessarily need respirators. You apply it 
from the up wind side. The report by Karl seems overblown concern. The 
facilities people at the university researched options for the job and found a 
company that would give a 10 year guarantee on the work. The previous 
contractor the last time the roofing job was done is not around.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As far as I can see, this thread is based entirely on unverified statements 
made by someone called Karl, and yet those statements are being treated as 
facts, leading to a bash-the-TMO fest. 
 

 I don't know about the bash fest but I certainly had the thought that this one 
post about someone's (Karl's, presumably) concerns about carcinogenic dome 
materials and underage, under protected, underpaid workers is unsubstantiated 
at this point. It wouldn't be hard to do a little detective work in the space 
of 24 hours to find out if any of it is true. Certainly, if I was in FF and 
worried about it I would have already started finding facts out. Has anyone 
here done that at all?
 

snippity snip

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, I've walked around inspecting the Dome several times the last few weeks. 
It is fine. I am not concerned. I have done that kind of work and they are 
doing fine. The structure is easy to work on. Some kids were around traveling 
with the crew but not handling or applying the material. For the type of work 
and type of applicator you don't necessarily need respirators. You apply it 
from the up wind side. The report by Karl seems overblown concern. The 
facilities people at the university researched options for the job and found a 
company that would give a 10 year guarantee on the work. The previous 
contractor the last time the roofing job was done is not around.
 

 Great, so there was a whole lot of hoopla about nothing then.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As far as I can see, this thread is based entirely on unverified statements 
made by someone called Karl, and yet those statements are being treated as 
facts, leading to a bash-the-TMO fest. 
 

 I don't know about the bash fest but I certainly had the thought that this one 
post about someone's (Karl's, presumably) concerns about carcinogenic dome 
materials and underage, under protected, underpaid workers is unsubstantiated 
at this point. It wouldn't be hard to do a little detective work in the space 
of 24 hours to find out if any of it is true. Certainly, if I was in FF and 
worried about it I would have already started finding facts out. Has anyone 
here done that at all?
 

snippity snip

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

http://portals.mum.edu/TempDocuments/393_MUM_Strategic_Plan_%E2%80%93_First_Revision_Spring_2014.pdf

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

As a resident of Fairfield, what is your take on the overall condition of the
MUM campus?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

As far as I can see, this thread is based entirely on unverified statements
made by someone called Karl, and yet those statements are being treated as
facts, leading to a bash-the-TMO fest.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra
can't take going there more than once in a while.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
wrote :

From: "olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]"

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra 
can't take going there more than once in a while.
 

 Has anyone thought to actually get in an air quality control professional who 
can test the mold spores in the air? Or the formaldehyde or other such 
contaminants? This isn't rocket science and as administrator or someone 
associated with the place I would insist on it. It is only responsible to do so 
and is a no brainer given the fact you are offering a facility to the public 
where there might be health concerns arising from bad air quality. Why not put 
a bug in the ear of non MUM officials in town whose job it might be to inspect 
these places? Blow the whistle, so to speak, given real concerns about not only 
the engineering but the health issues this would be incumbent on someone to do 
so. Hell, I'll do it! I'm good at raising a little hell...LOL
 Or, are the townfolk in the pockets of MUM administration? Or, are there even 
any native town folk left??

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re: the supposed mold. This rumor gets re-circulated. Things got changed quite 
a lot when they changed the entrance for the men's Dome to the East side of the 
Dome and built the entryway/ coat room there a few years ago. That closed off 
the basement level entry to the Dome. The air-handling system was invested in 
and changed then too in major ways. Also new foam and linens got ordered and 
replaced the old. There is a regular system for reducing dust by laundering 
sheets. Actually the Quality of the air is quite good now relative to what was 
the mold problem.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, 
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is 
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things 
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer neglect.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful 
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of 
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing 
material that could be used on such a structure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the lungs. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? 
Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance 
to use? Is the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
wrote :

Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra
can't take going there more than once in a while.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2012/06/is-poor-indoor-air-quality-making-you-sick/index.htm

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
wrote :

From: "olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]"

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
wrote :

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

It seems the only way to counter such a situation is to create a management 
group, paid real-world wages to maintain the property. The current unbalanced 
attitude of all the attention on managing the knowledge, with little thought 
given to the infrastructure, isn't working. Though in order to create the will 
to move forward, the larger issue as you say, is to get past the politics, 
which in any spiritual or religious organization, are incredibly entrenched.  

 Revolutionary movements don't attract good administrators. It is a different 
skill set, and during phase two, once the the change is established, and the 
prime leader gone, such movements, both political and spiritual, have been 
historically prone to the sort of dictatorship now evident at MUM. Dr. Nader 
though very well meaning, is too academically oriented to take on the COO 
(Chief Operations Officer) role, though that is the position needed now, with 
the will to support it. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good observation about administration of spiritual orgs.  I was at a meeting 
last night that was all about mitigating this.  A clear and present danger that 
is a real problem for the survival of the university [and Domes] is with a 
character of a few conservative belief-based ideologues that occupy key 
position.  The metrics for a very long time for the university are all about 
attrition.  This is about the toxicity of movement culture and it is getting 
down to an urgent point of survival of the very university if people don't 
change. 

 That though is different than this re-roofing the Domes.  Re-roofing the Domes 
is a tip of an iceberg underneath.  -JaiGuruYou!   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Very short-sighted. Though the folks who have the responsibility to spread TM 
are probably clueless on how to run a university. Spiritual organizations seem 
generally piss poor at this kind of boring, sustainable activity, since the 
interest is ALWAYS on the front-lines and the leaders. There is also no 
'spiritual administration' degree offered in schools, so the requirements for 
managing things are very subjective, often dependent on who the leader favored, 
vs. competence. Last, there may be some magical thinking going on, or at least 
rationalized denial. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, 
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is 
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things 
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer neglect.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful 
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of 
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing 
material that could be used on such a structure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-08 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I am curious if the world outside the various Movement environs, is still 
referred to, disparagingly, as "the relative"? It was big back in the '80's, 
and could account for the lackadaisical attitude dealing with govt. agencies, 
etc., but hopefully the mindset has changed. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This would actually be going against the *culture* of theTMO. Loyalty would be 
challenged. If you think going to see another guru is Verboten, try calling 
OSHA on the TMO! You would instantly be the Judas of the movement. Am I wrong 
or am I just too *negative*? Really, I like Maharishi and TM but in Kali yuga 
*everything* is tainted!

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra 
can't take going there more than once in a while.
 

 Has anyone thought to actually get in an air quality control professional who 
can test the mold spores in the air? Or the formaldehyde or other such 
contaminants? This isn't rocket science and as administrator or someone 
associated with the place I would insist on it. It is only responsible to do so 
and is a no brainer given the fact you are offering a facility to the public 
where there might be health concerns arising from bad air quality. Why not put 
a bug in the ear of non MUM officials in town whose job it might be to inspect 
these places? Blow the whistle, so to speak, given real concerns about not only 
the engineering but the health issues this would be incumbent on someone to do 
so. Hell, I'll do it! I'm good at raising a little hell...LOL
 Or, are the townfolk in the pockets of MUM administration? Or, are there even 
any native town folk left??

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re: the supposed mold. This rumor gets re-circulated. Things got changed quite 
a lot when they changed the entrance for the men's Dome to the East side of the 
Dome and built the entryway/ coat room there a few years ago. That closed off 
the basement level entry to the Dome. The air-handling system was invested in 
and changed then too in major ways. Also new foam and linens got ordered and 
replaced the old. There is a regular system for reducing dust by laundering 
sheets. Actually the Quality of the air is quite good now relative to what was 
the mold problem.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, 
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is 
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things 
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer neglect.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-07 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? 
Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance 
to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the 
Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer work? Are they 
union? Are they undercutting union workers?

  From: "Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FFL Post  
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not 
leadership. Not Cool.

    Of possible interest here...
- Forwarded Message -
  From: "Fairfield Citizen karlherzl2...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:44 AM
 Subject: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

Hello -
Perhaps the group could offer insights into this controversy. It appears the 
repair job on the roof of the meditation dome for men is being done with highly 
toxic, suspected carcinogenic, chemical products, and Amish contractors who use 
teenage laborers. Some of these laborers appear very young. No safety gear 
appears to be in use.
Questions:
Why is the college using toxic (suspected carcinogen) products on the dome roof 
repair?
Why is the college not requiring protective equipment on adults and teens 
working on the roof as a condition of the contract? (Harnesses, respirators, 
clothing)
Is the roof repair project genuinely compliant with Iowa and Federal law 
regarding dangerous workplaces and children? Is the system being gamed?
Why is a college that offers degrees in sustainable living, and loudly touts 
itself as organic, sustainable, Non-GMO and "conscious" using toxic chemicals 
on the roof of their meditation dome?
Why didn't the college insist on the use of green products, consult with green 
experts or follow LEEDS best-practices and guidelines?
A survey asking for community feedback about these issues was shared today: 
https://surveyplanet.com/preview/55ed8b0a4f05a0ab3c6fbe27

Thanks -Karl 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-07 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the lungs. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? 
Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance 
to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the 
Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer work? Are they 
union? Are they undercutting union workers?
 

 I would imagine the substance being used on the domes is some sort of sealer 
and wood preserver, among other things, and that would mean some sort of either 
creosote or petroleum product as in tar. These things are carcinogenic, as are 
a multitude of other products including glues, foams etc. Unfortunately, 
undertaking a heavy duty roofing job has to include toxic materials as I don't 
believe the Iowa weather is conducive to banana leaves or palm fronds providing 
adequate cover over a shelter. On the other hand, workmen should be adequately 
protected against these fumes and other ways in which these waterproofers and 
sealers can get all over you. To be working without respirators and adequate 
suits and gloves would be idiotic and most likely against the law.
 

 From: "Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FFL Post  
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not 
leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   
 Of possible interest here...

 - Forwarded Message -
 From: "Fairfield Citizen karlherzl2008@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:44 AM
 Subject: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
 Hello - 
 Perhaps the group could offer insights into this controversy. It appears the 
repair job on the roof of the meditation dome for men is being done with highly 
toxic, suspected carcinogenic, chemical products, and Amish contractors who use 
teenage laborers. Some of these laborers appear very young. No safety gear 
appears to be in use.
 

 Questions:
 

 Why is the college using toxic (suspected carcinogen) products on the dome 
roof repair?
 

 Why is the college not requiring protective equipment on adults and teens 
working on the roof as a condition of the contract? (Harnesses, respirators, 
clothing)
 

 Is the roof repair project genuinely compliant with Iowa and Federal law 
regarding dangerous workplaces and children? Is the system being gamed?
 

 Why is a college that offers degrees in sustainable living, and loudly touts 
itself as organic, sustainable, Non-GMO and "conscious" using toxic chemicals 
on the roof of their meditation dome?
 

 Why didn't the college insist on the use of green products, consult with green 
experts or follow LEEDS best-practices and guidelines?
 

 A survey asking for community feedback about these issues was shared today: 
 

 https://surveyplanet.com/preview/55ed8b0a4f05a0ab3c6fbe27 
https://surveyplanet.com/preview/55ed8b0a4f05a0ab3c6fbe27

 

 Thanks -
 Karl

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

2015-09-07 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? 
Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance 
to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the 
Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer work? Are they 
union? Are they undercutting union workers?
 

 I would imagine the substance being used on the domes is some sort of sealer 
and wood preserver, among other things, and that would mean some sort of either 
creosote or petroleum product as in tar. These things are carcinogenic, as are 
a multitude of other products including glues, foams etc. Unfortunately, 
undertaking a heavy duty roofing job has to include toxic materials as I don't 
believe the Iowa weather is conducive to banana leaves or palm fronds providing 
adequate cover over a shelter. On the other hand, workmen should be adequately 
protected against these fumes and other ways in which these waterproofers and 
sealers can get all over you. To be working without respirators and adequate 
suits and gloves would be idiotic and most likely against the law.
 

 From: "Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FFL Post  
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not 
leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   
 Of possible interest here...

 - Forwarded Message -
 From: "Fairfield Citizen karlherzl2008@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:44 AM
 Subject: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
 Hello - 
 Perhaps the group could offer insights into this controversy. It appears the 
repair job on the roof of the meditation dome for men is being done with highly 
toxic, suspected carcinogenic, chemical products, and Amish contractors who use 
teenage laborers. Some of these laborers appear very young. No safety gear 
appears to be in use.
 

 Questions:
 

 Why is the college using toxic (suspected carcinogen) products on the dome 
roof repair?
 

 Why is the college not requiring protective equipment on adults and teens 
working on the roof as a condition of the contract? (Harnesses, respirators, 
clothing)
 

 Is the roof repair project genuinely compliant with Iowa and Federal law 
regarding dangerous workplaces and children? Is the system being gamed?
 

 Why is a college that offers degrees in sustainable living, and loudly touts 
itself as organic, sustainable, Non-GMO and "conscious" using toxic chemicals 
on the roof of their meditation dome?
 

 Why didn't the college insist on the use of green products, consult with green 
experts or follow LEEDS best-practices and guidelines?
 

 A survey asking for community feedback about these issues was shared today: 
 

 https://surveyplanet.com/preview/55ed8b0a4f05a0ab3c6fbe27 
https://surveyplanet.com/preview/55ed8b0a4f05a0ab3c6fbe27

 

 Thanks -
 Karl

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