Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
my pothead friends who all gave it about six months at most
does that mean that our dope smokin' buddies tried TM for 6 months, or that
they thought you would only do TM for 6 months?
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 3:49 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote :
I know quite a number of Buddhists. Almost all that I know smoke (and I'm not
talking about Marbo or Fidel's Habanos).
Previously, I considered this primarily a result of techniques that focused
primarily upon the surface level of experience, both sensory and mental. Of
course some of these techniques do give due consideration to mental silence.
Some even acknowledge this without consigning it to merely a few moments of
blank mind (the Kagyupa Mahamudra of Gampopa is an example).
A select few even describe the value of the mind in its natural condition
(prakriti manas) - active, alert but without a defined focus as the basis of
meditation. This is highlighted in the the instructions of the Ganga Mahamudra
by Tilopa and all the Dzochen instructions starting with founder Garab Dorje's
Three Statements That Strike The Crucial Point.
However, even given these considerations, I am still surprised at how many
Buddhists that I know smoke. But even more suprising, I know TM Governors who
were also trained by SSRS, who smoke - some almost daily.
My question is simple - why?
At this point I have already considered the usual reasons - 1. my experience
went flat, 2. transcendence is no big thing any more, 3. TM/Sidhi Kriya/Sahaj
is now boring.
What do the denizens here who do/did TM/Sidhi or Kriya/Sahaj proffer as an
explanation - anyone know?
I was a heavy smoker when I learned TM but stopped within a month as I felt
much more in touch with my body in a way I'd not had before. The absurdity of
inhaling poisonous gas while every other fibre of my being was craving release
into a better world seemed pretty stupid and told me at an actual cellular
level (I imagined). I stubbed the last one out after a particularly nice prog
and never thought of it again.
I also smoked dope until the day I learned TM, that was a quicker decision. I
didn't like the way it interfered with my new found clarity and hate the smell
even now. But managed to avoid becoming a self-righteous bore with my pothead
friends who all gave it about six months at most.
I've also been on WPA's in eastern Europe and a lot of people there smoked.
Some of them used to nip out during the sutras and have a quick ciggie. It
really stank the place out when they came back. I think there's a cultural
expectation to smoke over there that doesn't get overridden.
I don't know anyone in the TMO in the UK who smokes but David Lynch is a
hardcore addict, maybe it makes some people more sensitive than others? Maybe
I'm just really enlightened. Joke.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
they didn't want to tell you the real reason which is that they are a bunch of
lazy fakers who don't want to work for a living and just want to sit around all
day smokin' dope and swapping sleight of hand tricks to fool the ignorant
villagers to give them food, money and look the other way while the fakers slip
out the back with their daughters.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
The only reason I ever got from being in India is that it was a part of
some paths sadhana. I didn't ask what they thought they got out of it. Maybe
it just calms them more and provides deeper experiences. But those who are a
bit kapha wouldn't need that.
On 01/04/2015 04:15 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Smoke is the current euphemism. But you didn't proffer an answer or
explanation to the question.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
this is a surprise to me, I never knew any TM teachers, even ex-TM teachers who
smoked dope. I think its because TM just doesn't work as advertised and they
wanted something a bit more luscious to liven their experiences.
One of the ironies of the TMO is the fact that pot use has always been present
at MIU/MUM, yeah that's right Feste, ALWAYS been there! it was present during
the 80's - I knew one staffer and one student who were in business together
selling pot right on campus. One of 'em eventually got busted (the student) and
MUM students are still smokin' dope, even tho Big Bopper Bevan has crowed for
years about the lack of drug problem on campus.
From: emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 8:34 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
Once again let's go back to the original question -
I know TM teachers who smoke. Considering their long-time experience doing
TM/Sidhi or Kriya/Sahaj techniques (or both), why do they feel the need to do
some smoke?
Answers I have heard:
1. my meditation experience went flat.
2. transcendence is no big thing any more.
3. TM/Sidhi Kriya/Sahaj is now boring.
4. Barry sez: chemical alteration of attention is faster (and easier ???) than
meditation.
Regardless of the antiquity of using smoke, I'm interested in why seasoned and
experienced meditation teachers would tale it up after years of practice
(including various degrees of long rounding).
Once again, anyone here willing to take up the question? #yiv6614818258
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
Since most of us are not aware of TM teachers getting bombed, why don't you
just ask the TM teachers who are also dope smokers why they want to be
hop-heads?
From: emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 9:08 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
While some Shaivas do it because they totally buy the mythology of Shiva
liking bhang, not all Shaivas smoke charas or drink bhang. No doubt those sadhu
that do it have their own declarations about their bhang Litemint.
However, the question is about TM teachers now doing smoke and the reason why.
Can someone here address this? Or doesn't anyone have a clue? #yiv3496934488
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
I love it! More bs and hypocrisy of the TM Movement exposed.
What do these TM'ers and former TM'ers say about Marshy's comparison of
meditating and smoking dope to an elephant who takes a bath in the river and
then slops mud all over itself afterwards. And before anyone mentions it, I
know the elephants coat the skin to protect it from insects etc. I am talking
about M's analogy.
From: emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 8:44 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
Bari2 - so naive.
I know one living right in Fairfield, a former TM teacher, been to India,
trained with SSRS (although not a Kriya teacher) who smokes.
Says meditation is flat, featureless and boring. Transcendence just another
ordinary experience. Says SSRS's hollow and empty meditations just put them to
sleep.
They use the same old supply chain - friends knowing other friends. All the
blah blah about FF being a spiritual capital doesn't stop a whole bunch of
people in the meditating community from doing smoke.
It certainly is not a sacrament - even if you are an Injun make-believing.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
Hear here. I'm a *former* governor. I was forced into retirement a few years
ago due to and advanced state of Ankylosing Spondylitis, painful swelling of
the spine causing the fusion of the vertebrae. Nothing my doctors prescribed
could elliminate the pain. Six months of hydracodone was almost as bad as the
pain itself. I stopped the hydro and just dealt with it. Out of despiration, I
tried some pot, after hearing about all this medical marijuana BS and I'll be
damned,if it didn work! At first, it didn't do that much for the actual pain
but it took my mind off of it and allowed me to enjoy life without being
gripped by the pain. It kind of shoved it in a closet. I also noticed , at
first, that I experienced more witnessing of activity. I wasn't stoned,
everything else about me was. Kind of enjoyable. Anyway, I used it for a few
months and eventually I became pain free and don't feel any need for it today.
I definately believe Pot has some medical value to it. I think the trick might
be to know when to give it up and move on with your life. For TMers, it just
might shift their awareness enough to allow them to perceive what they have
been cultivating all along but were just not aware of. Like getting off of the
moving train and jumping back on.
From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
so lets have those mythical smoking Governors come on here if they exist
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
why would Governors have to smoke pot for osteoarthritis?
If they are Governors their health should be getting better and better with
every dip into the Absolute.
If they do have problems why would they not use the fabulous scientifically
validated health care system of Maharishi Ayurveda
From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 10:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
so lets have those mythical smoking Governors come on here if they exist
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
Great post. I really loved I also noticed , at first, that I experienced more
witnessing of activity. I wasn't stoned, everything else about me was. Kind of
enjoyable. That just cracks me up.
From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
Hear here. I'm a *former* governor. I was forced into retirement a few
years ago due to and advanced state of Ankylosing Spondylitis, painful swelling
of the spine causing the fusion of the vertebrae. Nothing my doctors prescribed
could elliminate the pain. Six months of hydracodone was almost as bad as the
pain itself. I stopped the hydro and just dealt with it. Out of despiration, I
tried some pot, after hearing about all this medical marijuana BS and I'll be
damned,if it didn work! At first, it didn't do that much for the actual pain
but it took my mind off of it and allowed me to enjoy life without being
gripped by the pain. It kind of shoved it in a closet. I also noticed , at
first, that I experienced more witnessing of activity. I wasn't stoned,
everything else about me was. Kind of enjoyable. Anyway, I used it for a few
months and eventually I became pain free and don't feel any need for it today.
I definately believe Pot has some medical value to it. I think the trick might
be to know when to give it up and move on with your life. For TMers, it just
might shift their awareness enough to allow them to perceive what they have
been cultivating all along but were just not aware of. Like getting off of the
moving train and jumping back on.
From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
so lets have those mythical smoking Governors come on here if they exist
and say if they are really or if it about their osteoarthritis pain or what
have you.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
You posted as if you were speaking of *active* TM teachers. Here you mention a *former* TM teacher. There are lots of those around (including myself) and I could care less what they do and whether they smoke. In fact I could care less if the *active* teachers smoke. I gave that up way back in 1973 several months before I learned TM. That after a production meeting where people got stoned to plan a new TV show and all that happened was a bunch of stupid ideas. For me, it was no longer increasing any creativity. FYI, in India they refer to ganja as a sacrament for some paths. If these former teachers find meditation boring try something different. In fact find a teacher who will give them a guru mantra. Those definitely are *not *boring. On 01/05/2015 05:44 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Bari2 - so naive. I know one living right in Fairfield, a former TM teacher, been to India, trained with SSRS (although not a Kriya teacher) who smokes. Says meditation is flat, featureless and boring. Transcendence just another ordinary experience. Says SSRS's hollow and empty meditations just put them to sleep. They use the same old supply chain - friends knowing other friends. All the blah blah about FF being a spiritual capital doesn't stop a whole bunch of people in the meditating community from doing smoke. It certainly is not a sacrament - even if you are an Injun make-believing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
No, Grasshopper, in fact once you are initiated they may tell you how the guru mantra is selected. :-D On 01/05/2015 01:19 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: thus the gurus maintain the secrecy smoke screen, giving them license to screw people any which way they want to. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, January 5, 2015 1:49 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke You won't find the real meaning of a guru mantra on the Internet. That's for initiates. ;-) On 01/05/2015 10:24 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Though the word Gurumantra (note) http://www.sanatan.org/en/a/31_gurumantra.html# contains the word ‘mantra’, it mostly implies to which Name of God a disciple should chant. One should chant the Name recommended by the Guru rather than chanting the Name of one’s favourite Deity for the following reasons : 1. One does not understand which Name is best suited for one’s own spiritual progress. Only the Guru is capable of providing this guidance. 2. Chanting the Name of the favourite Deity http://www.sanatan.org/en/a/cid_5.html helps only to raise one’s sattvikta. The Gurumantra (note) http://www.sanatan.org/en/a/31_gurumantra.html# however, can take one to the nirgun state. 3. The Gurumantra (note) http://www.sanatan.org/en/a/31_gurumantra.html# does not contain mere letters, but has spiritual knowledge, Chaitanya and the Guru’s blessings. Hence, spiritual progress is faster. 4. Due to faith in the Guru, one chants the Gurumantra (note) http://www.sanatan.org/en/a/31_gurumantra.html# with greater faith, than chanting the mantra (note) http://www.sanatan.org/en/a/31_gurumantra.html# decided upon by oneself. Also, when remembering the Guru, one tends to chant the Name given by Him and thus chanting increases. 5. When one chants the Name of the favourite Deity, at least some amount of ego accompanies it. On the contrary, when chanting the Name recommended by the Guru http://www.sanatan.org/en/a/27_guru.html, there is no ego. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, January 5, 2015 12:18 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke You posted as if you were speaking of *active* TM teachers. Here you mention a *former* TM teacher. There are lots of those around (including myself) and I could care less what they do and whether they smoke. In fact I could care less if the *active* teachers smoke. I gave that up way back in 1973 several months before I learned TM. That after a production meeting where people got stoned to plan a new TV show and all that happened was a bunch of stupid ideas. For me, it was no longer increasing any creativity. FYI, in India they refer to ganja as a sacrament for some paths. If these former teachers find meditation boring try something different. In fact find a teacher who will give them a guru mantra. Those definitely are *not *boring. On 01/05/2015 05:44 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com mailto:emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Bari2 - so naive. I know one living right in Fairfield, a former TM teacher, been to India, trained with SSRS (although not a Kriya teacher) who smokes. Says meditation is flat, featureless and boring. Transcendence just another ordinary experience. Says SSRS's hollow and empty meditations just put them to sleep. They use the same old supply chain - friends knowing other friends. All the blah blah about FF being a spiritual capital doesn't stop a whole bunch of people in the meditating community from doing smoke. It certainly is not a sacrament - even if you are an Injun make-believing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
Though the word Guru mantra (note) contains the word ‘mantra’, it mostly
implies to which Name of God a disciple should chant. One should chant the Name
recommended by the Guru rather than chanting the Name of one’s favourite Deity
for the following reasons : 1. One does not understand which Name is best
suited for one’s own spiritual progress. Only the Guru is capable of providing
this guidance. 2. Chanting the Name of the favourite Deity helps only to raise
one’s sattvikta. The Guru mantra (note) however, can take one to the nirgun
state. 3. The Guru mantra (note) does not contain mere letters, but has
spiritual knowledge, Chaitanya and the Guru’s blessings. Hence, spiritual
progress is faster. 4. Due to faith in the Guru, one chants the Guru mantra
(note) with greater faith, than chanting the mantra (note) decided upon
by oneself. Also, when remembering the Guru, one tends to chant the Name given
by Him and thus chanting increases. 5. When one chants the Name of the
favourite Deity, at least some amount of ego accompanies it. On the contrary,
when chanting the Name recommended by the Guru, there is no ego.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
You posted as if you were speaking of active TM teachers. Here you
mention a former TM teacher. There are lots of those around (including myself)
and I could care less what they do and whether they smoke. In fact I could
care less if the active teachers smoke. I gave that up way back in 1973
several months before I learned TM. That after a production meeting where
people got stoned to plan a new TV show and all that happened was a bunch of
stupid ideas. For me, it was no longer increasing any creativity.
FYI, in India they refer to ganja as a sacrament for some paths. If these
former teachers find meditation boring try something different. In fact find a
teacher who will give them a guru mantra. Those definitely are not boring.
On 01/05/2015 05:44 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Bari2 - so naive.
I know one living right in Fairfield, a former TM teacher, been to India,
trained with SSRS (although not a Kriya teacher) who smokes.
Says meditation is flat, featureless and boring. Transcendence just another
ordinary experience. Says SSRS's hollow and empty meditations just put them to
sleep.
They use the same old supply chain - friends knowing other friends. All the
blah blah about FF being a spiritual capital doesn't stop a whole bunch of
people in the meditating community from doing smoke.
It certainly is not a sacrament - even if you are an Injun make-believing.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
You won't find the real meaning of a guru mantra on the Internet. That's for initiates. ;-) On 01/05/2015 10:24 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Though the word Gurumantra (note) http://www.sanatan.org/en/a/31_gurumantra.html# contains the word ‘mantra’, it mostly implies to which Name of God a disciple should chant. One should chant the Name recommended by the Guru rather than chanting the Name of one’s favourite Deity for the following reasons : 1. One does not understand which Name is best suited for one’s own spiritual progress. Only the Guru is capable of providing this guidance. 2. Chanting the Name of the favourite Deity http://www.sanatan.org/en/a/cid_5.html helps only to raise one’s sattvikta. The Gurumantra (note) http://www.sanatan.org/en/a/31_gurumantra.html# however, can take one to the nirgun state. 3. The Gurumantra (note) http://www.sanatan.org/en/a/31_gurumantra.html# does not contain mere letters, but has spiritual knowledge, Chaitanya and the Guru’s blessings. Hence, spiritual progress is faster. 4. Due to faith in the Guru, one chants the Gurumantra (note) http://www.sanatan.org/en/a/31_gurumantra.html# with greater faith, than chanting the mantra (note) http://www.sanatan.org/en/a/31_gurumantra.html# decided upon by oneself. Also, when remembering the Guru, one tends to chant the Name given by Him and thus chanting increases. 5. When one chants the Name of the favourite Deity, at least some amount of ego accompanies it. On the contrary, when chanting the Name recommended by the Guru http://www.sanatan.org/en/a/27_guru.html, there is no ego. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, January 5, 2015 12:18 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke You posted as if you were speaking of *active* TM teachers. Here you mention a *former* TM teacher. There are lots of those around (including myself) and I could care less what they do and whether they smoke. In fact I could care less if the *active* teachers smoke. I gave that up way back in 1973 several months before I learned TM. That after a production meeting where people got stoned to plan a new TV show and all that happened was a bunch of stupid ideas. For me, it was no longer increasing any creativity. FYI, in India they refer to ganja as a sacrament for some paths. If these former teachers find meditation boring try something different. In fact find a teacher who will give them a guru mantra. Those definitely are *not *boring. On 01/05/2015 05:44 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com mailto:emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Bari2 - so naive. I know one living right in Fairfield, a former TM teacher, been to India, trained with SSRS (although not a Kriya teacher) who smokes. Says meditation is flat, featureless and boring. Transcendence just another ordinary experience. Says SSRS's hollow and empty meditations just put them to sleep. They use the same old supply chain - friends knowing other friends. All the blah blah about FF being a spiritual capital doesn't stop a whole bunch of people in the meditating community from doing smoke. It certainly is not a sacrament - even if you are an Injun make-believing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : my pothead friends who all gave it about six months at most Does that mean that our dope smokin' buddies tried TM for 6 months, or that they thought you would only do TM for 6 months? That they thought I'd give it up and go back to my old ways, I thought they'd want to learn after I'd told them all about it and they'd seen my awesome progress (?) but none of them did. I probably drove them mad going on about it! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 3:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : I know quite a number of Buddhists. Almost all that I know smoke (and I'm not talking about Marbo or Fidel's Habanos). Previously, I considered this primarily a result of techniques that focused primarily upon the surface level of experience, both sensory and mental. Of course some of these techniques do give due consideration to mental silence. Some even acknowledge this without consigning it to merely a few moments of blank mind (the Kagyupa Mahamudra of Gampopa is an example). A select few even describe the value of the mind in its natural condition (prakriti manas) - active, alert but without a defined focus as the basis of meditation. This is highlighted in the the instructions of the Ganga Mahamudra by Tilopa and all the Dzochen instructions starting with founder Garab Dorje's Three Statements That Strike The Crucial Point. However, even given these considerations, I am still surprised at how many Buddhists that I know smoke. But even more suprising, I know TM Governors who were also trained by SSRS, who smoke - some almost daily. My question is simple - why? At this point I have already considered the usual reasons - 1. my experience went flat, 2. transcendence is no big thing any more, 3. TM/Sidhi Kriya/Sahaj is now boring. What do the denizens here who do/did TM/Sidhi or Kriya/Sahaj proffer as an explanation - anyone know? I was a heavy smoker when I learned TM but stopped within a month as I felt much more in touch with my body in a way I'd not had before. The absurdity of inhaling poisonous gas while every other fibre of my being was craving release into a better world seemed pretty stupid and told me at an actual cellular level (I imagined). I stubbed the last one out after a particularly nice prog and never thought of it again. I also smoked dope until the day I learned TM, that was a quicker decision. I didn't like the way it interfered with my new found clarity and hate the smell even now. But managed to avoid becoming a self-righteous bore with my pothead friends who all gave it about six months at most. I've also been on WPA's in eastern Europe and a lot of people there smoked. Some of them used to nip out during the sutras and have a quick ciggie. It really stank the place out when they came back. I think there's a cultural expectation to smoke over there that doesn't get overridden. I don't know anyone in the TMO in the UK who smokes but David Lynch is a hardcore addict, maybe it makes some people more sensitive than others? Maybe I'm just really enlightened. Joke.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
thus the gurus maintain the secrecy smoke screen, giving them license to
screw people any which way they want to.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
You won't find the real meaning of a guru mantra on the Internet. That's
for initiates. ;-)
On 01/05/2015 10:24 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Though the word Guru mantra (note) contains the word ‘mantra’, it
mostly implies to which Name of God a disciple should chant. One should chant
the Name recommended by the Guru rather than chanting the Name of one’s
favourite Deity for the following reasons : 1. One does not understand which
Name is best suited for one’s own spiritual progress. Only the Guru is capable
of providing this guidance. 2. Chanting the Name of the favourite Deity helps
only to raise one’s sattvikta. The Guru mantra (note) however, can take one
to the nirgun state. 3. The Guru mantra (note) does not contain mere
letters, but has spiritual knowledge, Chaitanya and the Guru’s blessings.
Hence, spiritual progress is faster. 4. Due to faith in the Guru, one chants
the Guru mantra (note) with greater faith, than chanting the mantra (note)
decided upon by oneself. Also, when remembering the Guru, one tends to chant
the Name given by Him and thus chanting increases. 5. When one chants the
Name of the favourite Deity, at least some amount of ego accompanies it. On the
contrary, when chanting the Name recommended by the Guru, there is no ego.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
You posted as if you were speaking of active TM teachers. Here you
mention a former TM teacher. There are lots of those around (including myself)
and I could care less what they do and whether they smoke. In fact I could
care less if the active teachers smoke. I gave that up way back in 1973
several months before I learned TM. That after a production meeting where
people got stoned to plan a new TV show and all that happened was a bunch of
stupid ideas. For me, it was no longer increasing any creativity.
FYI, in India they refer to ganja as a sacrament for some paths. If these
former teachers find meditation boring try something different. In fact find a
teacher who will give them a guru mantra. Those definitely are not boring.
On 01/05/2015 05:44 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Bari2 - so naive.
I know one living right in Fairfield, a former TM teacher, been to India,
trained with SSRS (although not a Kriya teacher) who smokes.
Says meditation is flat, featureless and boring. Transcendence just another
ordinary experience. Says SSRS's hollow and empty meditations just put them to
sleep.
They use the same old supply chain - friends knowing other friends. All the
blah blah about FF being a spiritual capital doesn't stop a whole bunch of
people in the meditating community from doing smoke.
It certainly is not a sacrament - even if you are an Injun make-believing.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
Why didn't you just say ganja then. You were being abstruse. On 01/04/2015 01:09 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Hey, you are all not getting it. I ain't talking about Marlboro's but weed, mary jane, ganja, smoke. Re-read the first post and then reconsider your reply.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
Smoke is the current euphemism. But you didn't proffer an answer or explanation to the question.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
From: emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Smoke is the current euphemism. But you didn't proffer an answer or explanation to the question. My bet is that those who enjoy smoking dope do so because they enjoy changing their state of attention, and whatever techniques they practice as part of their sadhana (Buddhist or otherwise) don't allow them to do that as quickly and easily as firing up a doobie. The desire to shift state of attentions is as old as man, and ain't goin' away any time soon. And that's as true for those who pursue a so-called spiritual path as it is for those who don't. Just my opinion...
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the ancient Shen Nong said that Marijuana is among the highest herbs for constant consumption and leads to making the body light and to the perception of spirit light, but this modern author says most people are harmed by their marijuana consumption because they don't know how to balance its toxic and hot and dry qualities or they are too weak in some way to use it to advantage Trusting the Marijuana Experience http://www.marijuana-syndromes.com/trusting-the-marijuana-experience.html Trusting the Marijuana Experience http://www.marijuana-syndromes.com/trusting-the-marijuana-experience.html People are brainwashing themselves into believing that their experiences aren’t real, or that they are somehow wrong because cannabis is ‘supposed’ to be harmless... View on www.marijuana-syndromes.com http://www.marijuana-syndromes.com/trusting-the-marijuana-experience.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
The only reason I ever got from being in India is that it was a part of some paths sadhana. I didn't ask what they thought they got out of it. Maybe it just calms them more and provides deeper experiences. But those who are a bit kapha wouldn't need that. On 01/04/2015 04:15 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Smoke is the current euphemism. But you didn't proffer an answer or explanation to the question.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers, Buddhists and Smoke
You actually know of any TM teachers doing smoke? The only reason I can think is that they live in a state like Washington or Colorado and treat it like some would an alcoholic drink not because of it being some sacrament. On 01/04/2015 06:08 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: While some Shaivas do it because they totally buy the mythology of Shiva liking bhang, not all Shaivas smoke charas or drink bhang. No doubt those sadhu that do it have their own declarations about their bhang Litemint. However, the question is about TM teachers now doing smoke and the reason why. Can someone here address this? Or doesn't anyone have a clue?
