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Why would the Earl of Oxford not have wanted to take credit for the plays?

Sal


On Feb 26, 2006, at 9:31 AM, feste37 wrote:

Shakespeare's plays were in fact written by the Earl  of Oxford. They were 
 certainly not written by the illiterate Shaksper from Stratford, who could barely 
 sign his own name and appears to have  been interested only in the 
 acquisition of wealth, social status and property.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

2006-02-26 Thread Vaj



On Feb 26, 2006, at 1:04 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:The "buzz" about St. Germaine is about as wild as you are likely to  find.  It makes for a great story whether it's true or not.  I am not  an expert by a long shot, but one version has St. Germain being the  soul who discovered America as Christoper Columbus, writing the plays  attritbuted to Shakespear, I believe as Thomas (?) Bacon, serving as  our first US President as George Washington, and most recently as Guy  Ballard of the St. Germaine Foundation, to name just a few. And it is  said Ballards Wife, Edna, was previously Benjamen Franklin.  I WILL  SAY THIS, when you look at Photos of Guy and Edna, they bear a  striking resemblence to these two historical figures. For a fascinating and authoritative investigation of the Comte St. Germaine, I highly recommend Raphael Patai's _The Jewish Alchemists_ which has an entire chapter on him. Fascinating!





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

OK, even if that were the case, the profession became respectable and has been so for quite a while since. Wouldn't the Earl's descendants have wanted to set the record straight? Wouldn't they want their own ancestor to be known as the greatest playwright in history?  And why would the Earl have picked someone illiterate to be his frontman?  Wouldn't that have seemed sort of suspicious?

And I'm still a bit confused as to how someone who is so illiterate all they can do is to sign their own name, becomes interested in the acquisition of wealth, social status and property to begin with?  And how someone this low on the social scale made his situation so well-known that 400 years later people are still talking about it.  

Sal

On Feb 26, 2006, at 10:54 AM, feste37 wrote:

It just wasn't the thing for a nobleman to write plays for the public theaters, 
 which were considered rather disreputable places. Writing plays was  
 something lower-class people did. It was closer to a trade than an honorable 
 profession, hence the word playwright, as in shipwright and wheelwright, 
 that is, an artisan, a worker. 

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >
 > Why would the Earl of Oxford not have wanted to take credit for the 
 > plays?
 > 
 > Sal
 > 
 > 
 > On Feb 26, 2006, at 9:31 AM, feste37 wrote:
 > 
 > > Shakespeare's plays were in fact written by the Earl  of Oxford. They 
 > > were
 > >  certainly not written by the illiterate Shaksper from Stratford, who 
 > > could barely
 > >  sign his own name and appears to have  been interested only in the
 > >  acquisition of wealth, social status and property.
 >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

Even though many of the plays were written after Oxford died?   OK.  

I imagine in about 3 or 400 years we'll be hearing pretty much the same thing about Lennon and MacCartney: Those guys could *never* have produced all that music.  No way!  They were from ordinary families, not the elite!  They barely had high school educations.  And Paul MacCartney couldn't even read music! It must have been Prince Charles.

Sal


On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:05 PM, feste37 wrote:

 The case for Oxford as author is circumstantial, but the parallels between his 
 life and the details of the plays are cumulative and in sum overwhelming.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

On Feb 26, 2006, at 6:34 PM, feste37 wrote:

 I'm unconvinced by your Beatles analogy, but it doesn't interest me one way 
 or another what you choose to believe. 

I was just attempting to instill a little humor in the discussion, Feste--a hopeless task, I should have known.

You asked me a question and I 
 answered it, that's all. Generally, I've found that people are skeptical at first, 
 even derisive, when they first hear about the Oxfordian claims (although that 
 is your general style on this board anyway),

Um, weren't you one of the ones objecting to labels a while back?
 but the more they investigate the 
 matter, the more convincing they find the Oxfordian case to be. 

The same people who believe that Elvis lives or that Abraham Lincoln was reincarnated as Andy Rymer?

What I have always objected to about this theory (for lack of a better word) is its blatant mean-spiritedness, its smug elitism, its attempt to deny one of the greatest literary accomplishments in history  to a mere commoner--based on the flimsiest of evidence, changing facts all over the place whenever they are inconvenient rather than actually dealing with them.

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On Feb 25, 2006, at 10:52 AM, foufou_fl wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You like making things up, don't you? And the word "fag" that you employ twice is your word, not mine. I did not and do not use it. I also make a distinction between the person and the things that a person does that you have missed. OK. My use of the word fag was my interpretation of your mindset. It was perhaps excessive. But you fail to answer the question -- prefering to deflect attention by focusing on the poster, not the post. You said that you did not comment on oral sex. But you did make it clear that you find anal sex between homosexuals disgusting. So its fair to ask: 1) do you find oral sex disgusting, since this is a widescale homosexual act. 2) do you find anal sex between heterosexuals disgusting? I'd also be interested in how he feels--or if he is even aware of the unedited gospels which portray Jesus as possibly homosexual. I'm thinking of course of the 'secret' Gospel of Mark. Was it reasonable for the church to edit these "sacred" documents to avoid that possibility? Would it be OK if the 12 disciples weren't just, well disciples ;-) and Jesus was gay?

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It would make some gays more accepted and less marginalized. That's a good thing, no?Have you read the edited-out parts of Mark?On Feb 25, 2006, at 11:41 AM, feste37 wrote:That's another  one that was sure to come soon, the  "Jesus  may have been  gay" thing. When so little is known for sure about a historical figure, you can  make him into anything you want. No one can prove you right or wrong, so  there's really no  point to it,  is there?  





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

2006-02-25 Thread MDixon6569







In a message dated 2/25/06 1:11:30 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Seems to 
  me that a couple of people were boredbecause there weren't any arguments 
  going on, andso the moment an excuse for one appeared, theyleaped on 
  it, spewed out a label or two, andthen they were happy again, because the 
  nextmorning we've got four whole screenloads ofinvective and argument 
  on FFL.

I plead guilty! I threw out the hook and bate when I said that 
the laws in Montana and Oklahoma regarding sheep were a Brokeback Mountain kind 
of thing. I knew somebody on the list would be forced to respond to the 
comparison of bestiality and homosexuality and from there we had the whole 
screen load of e-mails. And yes, I have beengiggling the whole time! LOL! 
However I don't think I spewed out any labels. I'm sure Judy will correct me if 
I'm wrong. LOL!





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

On Feb 25, 2006, at 12:21 PM, feste37 wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would make some gays more accepted and less marginalized. That's a good thing, no? Not if you're just making it up, no. People who say Jesus may have been a homosexual are simply trying to spin non-existent historical facts to make them fit what they think is desirable. Doesn't sound very scholarly to me. I thought you were supposed to be a scholar, in which case I would have thought you would value truth, where it can be known, over pointless speculation. Is it "pointless speculation" to ask:Can an open heart *exclude*?Did Jesus have an open heart?Well, no, I'm not "making it up". The "gospels" have been edited, and the potentially homosexual parts were removed from Mark. We know because we found an old copy before the church got it's hands on it.Maybe Jesus was an androgyne, I don't know. It's the open hearted revolutionary that I liked. I have little interest in bending knee to a guy on a torture device.

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On Feb 25, 2006, at 5:07 PM, feste37 wrote:I guessed that Vaj's scholarship was as thin as a  tart's negligee, but the question you ask below is a hypothetical. Nothing is  known or will ever be known about the sexuality of Jesus of Nazareth. If you had a question, you should ask. Judy makes the false assumption that these conclusions were mine, which is completely incorrect--a good reason why you should ask if you have a question. The assertions and insight are actually from the late biblical scholar and Nag Hammadi translator Morton Smith of Columbia University regarding a letter and various known fragments. 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

On Feb 25, 2006, at 6:33 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good detective work, Judy. I guessed that Vaj's scholarship was as thin as a tart's negligee P.S.: No "detective work" required, BTW, other than a quick Google for the exact quote from Clementine's letter. The nature of the find is pretty common knowledge even among those who just dabble in this sort of thing. Interestingly, you left the key points out about the letter--specifically what Clement says about the nature of the text itself. After Peter died, Mark took his gospel to Alexandria and to create a "more spiritual gospel for the use of those who were being perfected." Clement states this text was kept by the Alexandrian church for initiation into "the great mysteries."Of course this is very interesting to anyone even remotely interested in mystical Christianity--for example Freemasons and Kabbalists I have spoken to find this all rather amazing due to elements known in their traditions.There is also a further fragment I'll mention which reads "Then he came into Jericho. And the sister of the young man whom Jesus loved was there with his mother and Salome, but Jesus would not receive them."The question thus becomes 'why were these removed'? In that quest I suggest you do your own reading, rather than your typical "googling" about--it's an interesting topic.

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On Feb 25, 2006, at 9:10 PM, authfriend wrote:Right:  "Vaj, isn't your scholarship as thin as a tart's negligee?"  We had the answer to that without your assistance, although you thoughtfully provide additional evidence in your current post.  Since Vaj has carefully snipped both what he had written and my response, I'll restore them here so we can all see *why* he snipped them: No this is not why they were snipped. You have such a fertile imagination, shame you could not put it to better use!





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On Feb 25, 2006, at 9:17 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   On Feb 25, 2006, at 6:33 PM, authfriend wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" feste37@ wrote:  Good detective work, Judy. I guessed that Vaj's scholarship was as thin as a tart's negligee  P.S.: No "detective work" required, BTW, other than a quick Google for the exact quote from Clementine's letter.  The nature of the find is pretty common knowledge even among those who just dabble in this sort of thing.  Interestingly, you left the key points out about the letter--  specifically what Clement says about the nature of the text itself.  I wasn't writing a dissertation on the letter, merely correcting your gross misstatements. No merely interjecting your nit-picking on works I read 20 years ago. You read way too much into casual speech my dear!If you had a question, you should ask. It had nothing to do with UFO's! :-)





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In a message dated 2/24/06 1:42:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
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I was 
  shocked tofind that feste is a creationist -- or at least an 
  intelligent design deist pseudo scientist.Or maybe just a 
  homophobe.

Or maybe just a little more in tune with nature than 
some.





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In a message dated 2/24/06 5:19:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
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Or maybe 
  just a little more in tune with nature than some.The only thing 
  that kind of spiritual arrogance has to do withenlightenment is as a 
  barrier to it.

H isn't that the line , or a similar one , that Andy 
Rhymer used on his victims?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

2006-02-24 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Feb 24, 2006, at 5:54 PM, feste37 wrote:

 But it doesn't  mean I have to go 
 along with the homosexual agenda

What is that, Feste? I mean that sincerely.  I have heard about the homosexual agenda for years, as have many others, but have yet to see a single copy of it.

 that brainwashes people into believing 
 that a homosexual 'lifestyle is just as good as any other.

And the last time a homosexual approached you and tried to brainwash you into believing that his lifestyle was just as good as yours was...?

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In a message dated 2/24/06 6:13:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
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What are 
  you saying? That Judy also molests young men and gives them blow 
  jobs?

Me? .Never!





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