Re: [fd-dev] ISO and KOI8 codepages
X-Comment-To: Henrique Peron Hi! 21-îÏÑ-2002 01:43 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Henrique Peron) wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: HP Hi Arkady, ËÁË ÔÙ? [Kak ty?] îÏÒÍÁÌØÎÏ. [Normalno]. HP There are web browsers that are able to work under DOS. If so, support for HP KOI8 codepages turns out to be important, wouldn't you say? But support for KOI8 (also as for a lot of other codepages - 1251, ISO, Mac) should be built into them! HP Therefore, I ask you: HP Do you happen to know (or perhaps know someone who does) the CPxxx numbers HP for KOI8-U, -F, -B, -C, -T ? I only know KOI8-R (cp878). I already inform you, that KOI8-U have no CP number. Other (-F, etc) tables I not know. -- list options/archives/etc.: http://www.topica.com/lists/fd-dev unsubscribe: send blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@mail-archive.com EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bz8Rv5.bbRv4l.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re[2]: [fd-dev] codepage IDs
Hello Arkady, Thursday, November 21, 2002, 12:35:30 PM, you wrote: OD And there is official Ukrainian DOS codepage - CP1125. It is similar OD to Russian CP866, but contains all Ukrainian characters. AVB If under Ukrainian characters you mean `Ee' like characters (reverse AVB for 31th cyrillic charcter) and `Ii' with double dots at upper, then they AVB already in CP866. I know. But cp866 missed these letters: 0xf20x0490 #CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER GHE WITH UPTURN 0xf30x0491 #CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER GHE WITH UPTURN 0xf60x0406 #CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER BYELORUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN I 0xf70x0456 #CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER BYELORUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN I -- Best regards, Olegmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- list options/archives/etc.: http://www.topica.com/lists/fd-dev unsubscribe: send blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^ This email was sent to: archive@mail-archive.com EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bz8Rv5.bbRv4l.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: Re[2]: [fd-dev] codepage IDs
Hello Oleg, And there is official Ukrainian DOS codepage - CP1125. It is similar to Russian CP866, but contains all Ukrainian characters. BTW, in Epson printers CP1125 called CP866-Ukr for some reason ;) There is cp1131 for Belorusian as well, but I've provided cp848 (cp1125 with Euro) and cp849 (cp1131 with Euro) for the Full Codepage Pack, which have two advantages: They are 3-digit codepages and they have the Euro sign. I just haven't prepared cp1125, cp1131 or any other 4-digit CP codepage because, for some reason, MS-DOS MODE can't prepare/select them (well, at least Brazilian MS-DOS MODE), thus any layouts using them would not have been tested. Does that happen to you (or to someone out there reading this message) ? Henrique -- list options/archives/etc.: http://www.topica.com/lists/fd-dev unsubscribe: send blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^ This email was sent to: archive@mail-archive.com EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bz8Rv5.bbRv4l.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re[2]: [fd-dev] codepage IDs
Hello Arkady, Thursday, November 21, 2002, 3:19:31 PM, you wrote: OD 0xf60x0406 #CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER BYELORUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN I OD 0xf70x0456 #CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER BYELORUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN I AVB What the difference of this last letter from latinic `Ii'? You mean these letters: 0x490x0049 #LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I 0x690x0069 #LATIN SMALL LETTER I ? As you can see it is different letters with different unicode numbers. Do you know something about sorting, database search? Try to translate mail from koi8-u to cp866 and back, for example ;) Why don't you use latinic 'A' instead of cyrillic 'A' in Russian? -- Best regards, Olegmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- list options/archives/etc.: http://www.topica.com/lists/fd-dev unsubscribe: send blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^ This email was sent to: archive@mail-archive.com EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bz8Rv5.bbRv4l.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [fd-dev] ISO-Latin and 4-digit codepages; arabic cp720
[This messages is relayed on behalf of Aitor Santamaria Merino ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] RQ Are Windows charsets 8-bit codepages? Yes, if you leave out far-east codepages. For example, 932 has much more than 256 characters. This is good news, we can create WIN.CPI ;-)) And yes, 16-bit are really a severe problem for us. Supporting them means the loss of some very nice properties of 8-bit codepages. Same goes for right-left langs, etc RQ If this is so, we could prepare (I don't know how difficult it would be) RQ those codepages to be used with DISPLAY. RQ There's something that I would need to know for KEYB to handle thisRQ easily: RQ which is the highest codepage number known? Which KEYB do you mean? I have a german KEYB. The corresponding FreeDOS KEYB 2.0 KEYBOARD.SYS file contains support layout JP and codepage 932. But then, there are no real data records, for this codepage. However, a far-east KEYB with DBCS support might contain code for this layout. As it goes for european and american versions, I dare to say, the highest numbers are 912 and 915 (supported by PC-DOS 7.0). For MS, the highest number seems to be 869. RQ ( my wish: below 4000 RQ my second wish: below 8000 RQ my last wish: below 16000 :-((() I agree completely! Let me express it more precisely: it would be handy to have all codepage number below 4098. Codepage numbers above 16383 would be nightmare! BTW, what about the codepages which are not supported by MS? I think, at least the ISO codepages are worth to be supported. And there are a lot of codepages without any official IDs. The most important of them is KOI8-R, which should be supported as well. (Arkady, do you agree?) I've heard of a proposal about 'user definable codepage IDs' to assign IDs above 0xF000 to codepages without official IDs. But I don't like to assign such a number to a wide-spread codepage like KOI8-R. My only wish is that in order to ease support with my current ideas for KEYB 2.0 would be please not to use all of a WORD; in other words, may be not go beyond 16k (if possible) Aitor -- list options/archives/etc.: http://www.topica.com/lists/fd-dev unsubscribe: send blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^ This email was sent to: archive@mail-archive.com EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bz8Rv5.bbRv4l.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[fd-dev] ncurses
Title: Mensaje Does ncurses exist for DOS? -- list options/archives/etc.: http://www.topica.com/lists/fd-dev unsubscribe: send blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^==^= This email was sent to: archive@mail-archive.com EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bz8Rv5.bbRv4l.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^==^=
Re: [fd-dev] ncurses
Natasha Portillo wrote: Does ncurses exist for DOS? Yes. Here are some different implementations: http://www.simtel.net/pub/pd/49466.html Unix Curses window lib for TurboC++/BorlandC++ http://www.simtel.net/pub/pd/49473.html Unix Curses window lib for MSDOS (MSC TC) http://www.simtel.net/pub/pd/49567.html Unix-compatible version of Curses screen mgmt http://www.simtel.net/pub/pd/49568.html System V Curses library for DOS/OS2 - C source http://www.simtel.net/pub/pd/49630.html Beta test version of Unix 'curses' for MS-DOS -- - This email message has been encrypted using the ROT-26 cipher. -- list options/archives/etc.: http://www.topica.com/lists/fd-dev unsubscribe: send blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^ This email was sent to: archive@mail-archive.com EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bz8Rv5.bbRv4l.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [fd-dev] ncurses
Screenshots? Examples¿ -Mensaje original- De: Jim Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviado el: jueves, 21 de noviembre de 2002 15:54 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: [fd-dev] ncurses Natasha Portillo wrote: Does ncurses exist for DOS? Yes. Here are some different implementations: http://www.simtel.net/pub/pd/49466.html Unix Curses window lib for TurboC++/BorlandC++ http://www.simtel.net/pub/pd/49473.html Unix Curses window lib for MSDOS (MSC TC) http://www.simtel.net/pub/pd/49567.html Unix-compatible version of Curses screen mgmt http://www.simtel.net/pub/pd/49568.html System V Curses library for DOS/OS2 - C source http://www.simtel.net/pub/pd/49630.html Beta test version of Unix 'curses' for MS-DOS -- - This email message has been encrypted using the ROT-26 cipher. -- list options/archives/etc.: http://www.topica.com/lists/fd-dev unsubscribe: send blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- list options/archives/etc.: http://www.topica.com/lists/fd-dev unsubscribe: send blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@mail-archive.com EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bz8Rv5.bbRv4l.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [fd-dev] ANNOUNCE: DISPLAY 0.06
DISPLAY is nice cause it's sticky, there after you use a GUI tool. But it comes back to the 25 line mode. If you could set it to default to 50 instead, then you wouldnt havta add the MODE CON:.. line to the end of the batch program that launches a graphic app. AITOR.SM wrote: (Day could you post this reply on my behalf? I have no good qccess to Inet) The screen current mode is not entirely a DISPLAY bussiness. You should use MODE CON (different paprameters for differet modes, I have no refs. here). Provided that they are IMPLEMENTED ;-)) Aitor Given the larger size and better resolution of modern monitors, can you tweak DISPLAY so that the 80x50 screen is the default? I tried it with a drdos 7 drive, with the cyrillic font, and it kept it even after a graphic app. mem says it takes an extra 10k, but I dunno if that is still a problem in a graphic mode. Arachne always wanted as much as I could give it. -- list options/archives/etc.: http://www.topica.com/lists/fd-dev unsubscribe: send blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^ This email was sent to: archive@mail-archive.com EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bz8Rv5.bbRv4l.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: Re]: [fd-dev] ncurses
what does it produce in dos, .bat, .com, .exe? and if you create ncurses source code in dos, can you export it and have the same code compile in Linux? -- list options/archives/etc.: http://www.topica.com/lists/fd-dev unsubscribe: send blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^ This email was sent to: archive@mail-archive.com EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bz8Rv5.bbRv4l.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: Re]: [fd-dev] ncurses
I remember once building pdcurses for djgpp and running some of the demos. Build was as simple as running make. Mouse support was builtin as long as you had an installed mouse driver. That was two years ago. You might wanna check which pdcurses version is in the djgpp archives as that is the last known version to work w/djgpp. Probably at least a few months olf (maybe a year or two, 2.4 it looks like). Louis Yep, one and the same; sorry I wasn't clear, I was trying to provide the current URL for the latest release. Just some side notes, the DOS version of PDCurses does not support a clipboard (though there is a tiny patch that allows the same app to cut and paste, I think anyway) and if I am recalling correctly it does not have an implementation for the mouse routines [could be wrong here and/or could have since been added). PDCurses is cross platform which is nice, though I am not sure how similar (or different) it is to ncurses. Though I haven't tried, ncurses FAQ reports someone managed to use it with DJGPP (so I'm assuming a DOS port is possible if not directly available). Jeremy On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:28:45 -0600 Jim Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JH Kenneth J Davis wrote: JH On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:54:07 -0600 Jim Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] JH wrote: ... JH JH I think the pdcurses.sf.net site is a continuation of JH http://www.simtel.net/pub/pd/49568.html (pdcurs22.zip). But I'm not JH sure. JH JH JH JH -jh JH -- list options/archives/etc.: http://www.topica.com/lists/fd-dev unsubscribe: send blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- list options/archives/etc.: http://www.topica.com/lists/fd-dev unsubscribe: send blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@mail-archive.com EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bz8Rv5.bbRv4l.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[fd-dev] Code pages
Hi! Those, who read in Russian and wish to know more about code pages and Unicode history, may look at http://bugtraq.ru/library/misc/encoding.html. There present slightly paranoidal, but very interesting view of history and details of different standards - from ASCII to Unicode32. -- list options/archives/etc.: http://www.topica.com/lists/fd-dev unsubscribe: send blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^ This email was sent to: archive@mail-archive.com EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bz8Rv5.bbRv4l.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [fd-dev] Codepage IDs
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Matthias Paul wrote: On 2002-11-20, Arkady V.Belousov wrote: This program is not required. It required only if you wish to switch codepages on the fly, but if you work only with one codepage, you may (should) initialize it with COUNTR= statement. Of course, in MS-DOS MODE and KEYB without NLSFUNC loaded will fail to load fonts/layouts other than pointed in COUNTRY=. This is correct, but still, a COUNTRY.SYS file parser is needed not only for NLSFUNC, but also for FreeDOS' DOS BIOS. Well FreeDOS doesn't have a DOS BIOS as such. There's kernel.sys which consists (presently) of a) PGROUP 256 bytes at 60:0, used for startup and the init code's PSP b) TGROUP ~1500 bytes at 70:0: small device drivers (CON, AUX, PRN), assembly interface code, intxx trampolines, XMS callers to enable and disable the HMA. c) DGROUP ~5000 bytes now at 00eb:0. The DOS DS: LOL, SDA and so on, COUNTRY tables, constant strings and the low deblock BUFFER (this buffer is actually part of our SDA). d) HGROUP ~4-43000 bytes: main DOS code + block and clock device drivers. e) I_GROUP: ~18000 bytes init code and data: config.sys parser, block device driver init, main init. I_GROUP feels much like a normal .COM DOS program: after setting int vectors it simply calls int21 to open and read config.sys. Discarded after init. But I guess you mean the roughly same thing when I say that once nlsload.c gets fixed up it will be part of I_GROUP. Bart -- list options/archives/etc.: http://www.topica.com/lists/fd-dev unsubscribe: send blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^ This email was sent to: archive@mail-archive.com EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bz8Rv5.bbRv4l.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
