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2009-04-10 Thread Nicu Buculei
Remember the questions about our team we were asked some days ago for 
the Linux Graphics Users forum? The interview is live, you can read it at:


http://linuxgraphicsusers.com/index.php?topic=705.msg5198

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Re: Fedora 11 countdown banner (artwork team release)

2009-04-10 Thread Paolo Leoni
Here you can find the italian translation for the F11 countdown banner with
pre-redendered images:

http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora11-countdown-banner_it.tar.gz

Only a question: for the F11 preview release will be necessary a release
banner or we'll go directly with final release banner?

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Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)

2009-04-10 Thread Cata
*My idea:*

*Direct link*
http://www.imagehosting.ro/images/ezo0czislu3w82fne4i1.gif

*Thumbnail for websites*
a 
href=http://www.imagehosting.ro/viewer.php?file=ezo0czislu3w82fne4i1.gif;img
src=http://www.imagehosting.ro/images/ezo0czislu3w82fne4i1_thumb.gif;
border=0 alt=ezo0czislu3w82fne4i1.gif //a

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Re: Fedora 11 countdown banner (artwork team release)

2009-04-10 Thread Nicu Buculei

On 04/10/2009 12:44 PM, Paolo Leoni wrote:

Here you can find the italian translation for the F11 countdown banner
with pre-redendered images:

http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora11-countdown-banner_it.tar.gz

Only a question: for the F11 preview release will be necessary a release
banner or we'll go directly with final release banner?


For F10 we jumped[1] from the Beta banner to the counter, so I guess is 
sensible to to this again, a banner for the preview is of little use if 
we already count down.


[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/PromoBanners#Fedora_10

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Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)

2009-04-10 Thread Nicu Buculei

On 04/10/2009 01:42 PM, Cata wrote:

*My idea:*

*Direct link*
http://www.imagehosting.ro/images/ezo0czislu3w82fne4i1.gif


Unfortunately something like this won't work, Fedora is an operating 
system for the entire world, we can't go with an English-only text.
Due to localization concerns, is wide to avoid any texts rendered as 
graphics.


On a side note, your GIF is playing way to fast in my Firefox, I can 
barely understand what's happening on screen (we wish Fedora would boot 
*that* fast :p )


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Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)

2009-04-10 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Friday 10 April 2009 13:28:58 Nicu Buculei wrote:

 On a side note, your GIF is playing way to fast in my Firefox, I can
 barely understand what's happening on screen (we wish Fedora would boot
 *that* fast :p )

Moblin is partially based on Fedora and Intel developers want 2 seconds 
boot!!! (I don't believe it's possible, fast  furious :D) 

http://www.h-online.com/open/Intel-aims-at-a-2-second-boot-for-
Moblin--/news/113043

Jaroslav

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Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)

2009-04-10 Thread Nicu Buculei

On 04/10/2009 04:25 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:

On Friday 10 April 2009 13:28:58 Nicu Buculei wrote:

On a side note, your GIF is playing way to fast in my Firefox, I can
barely understand what's happening on screen (we wish Fedora would boot
*that* fast :p )


Moblin is partially based on Fedora and Intel developers want 2 seconds
boot!!! (I don't believe it's possible, fast  furious :D)

http://www.h-online.com/open/Intel-aims-at-a-2-second-boot-for-
Moblin--/news/113043


But according to other sources Fifteen operating system vendors have 
committed to distribute Moblin-based products, including Asianux, 
Canonical, DeviceVM, gOS, MontaVista, Novell, and Wind River 
(http://linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2009/04/linux-foundation-host-moblin-project) 
- no Fedora or Red Hat mentioned among them :p


Anyway, Moblin is intended for special devices, it will always boot 
faster than a general purpose distro. I think we all would be happy with 
something more realistic around 20 seconds.


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Re: idea for Fedora boot screen

2009-04-10 Thread Michael Langlie
Sorry about that. I had intended to but not yet found the way to animate GIFs 
in GIMP.

Mike

- Original Message -
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Subject: Re: idea for Fedora boot screen

On 04/09/2009 07:33 PM, Michael Langlie wrote:
 I added a third version that does not use the Fedora logo or branding.
 The layered Photoshop files are also zipped and posted on my page.

Sorry for the apparently rude question, but Mike, it would be hard to 
use GIMP or any FOSS tool for creating such trivial type of graphics?

We use to pride about the Fedora graphics being made *with* Fedora, as a 
testimony of our confidence in the distro and I see the Photoshop here 
as a step back. Even more as I wasn't able to see a straightforward way 
to create the final GIFs starting from your PSDs with a Free tool (I 
guess is about transitions or some other unsupported features from the 
file format).

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Re: idea for Fedora boot screen

2009-04-10 Thread Máirín Duffy

Hi Nicu,



- Original Message 
 From: Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro
 Subject: Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
 On 04/09/2009 07:33 PM, Michael Langlie wrote:
  I added a third version that does not use the Fedora logo or branding.
  The layered Photoshop files are also zipped and posted on my page.
 
 Sorry for the apparently rude question, but Mike, it would be hard to use 
 GIMP 
 or any FOSS tool for creating such trivial type of graphics?

I think in this case it's probably okay, and here's why I think why:

1) Animation is hard in FOSS. Besides Blender (which is overkill for this) 
there isn't really much. Gimp does have the animation tool and that probably 
could have been used here, but Mike did provide the PSD source which is 
openable by Gimp so we could modify the animation if we needed to. (I will 
admit it would take a significant amount of work to manipulate in Gimp because 
of how Photoshop sets up animations in the PSD, but still possible. In the 
future Gimp-based animations would make it easier for others to work with the 
file.) Even so, animation in FOSS is not a solved problem.

2) The animation is in gif format, not flash, not quicktime, etc. etc. Animated 
GIF I think is an animation format we can al agree on.

3) (I think this is the most important) The animation is not going to be used 
directly in Fedora. It's (correct me if I'm wrong) meant to be a mockup to 
demonstrate to Charlie how he will write the animation in Python. So the final 
product won't have much to do with proprietary tools, fortunately.

What do you think with those in mind?
 
 We use to pride about the Fedora graphics being made *with* Fedora, as a 
 testimony of our confidence in the distro and I see the Photoshop here as a 
 step 
 back. Even more as I wasn't able to see a straightforward way to create the 
 final GIFs starting from your PSDs with a Free tool (I guess is about 
 transitions or some other unsupported features from the file format).

There is a way, it just requires a bit of time to set up, which we don't have 
much of now unfortunately. I do like the first animation though, and I talked 
to Charlie about doing a version of it with the thin Greek accent line along 
the bottom, but in a way that the Greek accent could be taken out easiy (eg for 
F12.) I think we're going to need a different approach to the artwork for F12 
but we can talk about that when this stuff is out the door. Anyhow, I think 
adding just a simple subtle greek line along the bottom of the animation would 
tie it in with the other graphics [1]; I talked to Mike about whether or not he 
thought this might work and he thought it would be a fine approach.

It really sucks that our animation tools suck. I wonder if synfig [2] is any 
more up to snuff these days. I have not tried it lately. It could be a useful 
tool in the future.

~m

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11/RC
[2] http://synfig.org/



  

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Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)

2009-04-10 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Friday 10 April 2009 15:38:38 Nicu Buculei wrote:
 On 04/10/2009 04:25 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
  On Friday 10 April 2009 13:28:58 Nicu Buculei wrote:
  On a side note, your GIF is playing way to fast in my Firefox, I can
  barely understand what's happening on screen (we wish Fedora would boot
  *that* fast :p )
 
  Moblin is partially based on Fedora and Intel developers want 2 seconds
  boot!!! (I don't believe it's possible, fast  furious :D)
 
  http://www.h-online.com/open/Intel-aims-at-a-2-second-boot-for-
  Moblin--/news/113043

 But according to other sources Fifteen operating system vendors have
 committed to distribute Moblin-based products, including Asianux,
 Canonical, DeviceVM, gOS, MontaVista, Novell, and Wind River
 (http://linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2009/04/linux-foundati
on-host-moblin-project) - no Fedora or Red Hat mentioned among them :p

It's mixture of Fedora's base packages, OpenSUSE build system (?) and other 
distros with lot of custom hacks as I know :-)

 Anyway, Moblin is intended for special devices, it will always boot
 faster than a general purpose distro. I think we all would be happy with
 something more realistic around 20 seconds.

Yes, it's for netbooks and embedded systems, so they can do a lot of 
optimizations, light BIOS etc. But with EEE Box styled devices it can reach 
desktop soon too.

Jaroslav

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Re: idea for Fedora boot screen

2009-04-10 Thread Nicu Buculei

On 04/10/2009 04:35 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:


It really sucks that our animation tools suck. I wonder if synfig [2] is any 
more up to snuff these days. I have not tried it lately. It could be a useful 
tool in the future.


I saw Tatica talking about synfig as one of the applications she like, 
so I guess we can have some insight from her...


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Re: idea for Fedora boot screen

2009-04-10 Thread Máirín Duffy

- Original Message 

 From: Michael Langlie mlang...@redhat.com
 To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com

 Sorry about that. I had intended to but not yet found the way to animate GIFs 
 in 
 GIMP.

Nothing to be sorry about :) The animation looks great. If you ever need 
help/advice in what tool to use there's lots of folks here to help. Maybe 
Tatica can give us an update on synfig.

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Re: idea for Fedora boot screen

2009-04-10 Thread Charlie Brej

Michael Langlie wrote:

Here are a couple animated GIFs (forgive the glow banding near the end) 
demonstrating ideas for a general/non-themed Fedora boot screen. They use the 
logo icon as a progress indicator before being applied as branding.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_02.gif

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How does this look? Please give feedback asap. There a are a couple things still 
missing (the stepped progress of the white, the haloing moving from the centre). 
Ignore the rays on the halo.


[1] http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/plymouth_fedora.mpg

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Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)

2009-04-10 Thread Martin Sourada
On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:38 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
 Anyway, Moblin is intended for special devices, it will always boot 
 faster than a general purpose distro. I think we all would be happy with 
 something more realistic around 20 seconds.
 
Well, it still takes kernel to load a few seconds and udev a few seconds
and X a few seconds... On standard machines I don't believe (much) less
than 30s is possible if we are talking about booting to a fully loaded
usable standard purpose desktop using kernel that is supposed to work on
wide range of hardware...

Martin


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Re: Final artwork for F11, for KDE Spin, deadline final freeze

2009-04-10 Thread Rex Dieter
Jaroslav Reznik wrote:

 As we are running out of time, I'd like to see if there's a progress with
 current artwork
...
 We appreciate your hard work but we really need it ASAP to work on it...

Here's the deal for the KDE Spin:  unless there's some usable/final artwork
available by the final freeze (04-14), we'll have to take matters into our
own hands, and do our own thing (likely continue to use solar), but I'd
rather not do that if possible.

For posterity, let me suggest that distro artwork follow something close to
the feature process or string freeze.  Maybe that's what was supposed to
happen here this time, and just didn't happen for various reasons.

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Re: Wanted: a Graphic Designer

2009-04-10 Thread MANNY HIDALBEMA
How can I help you... I really like desing much thing please
contact to me.

2009/4/5, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org:
 Hi

 http://loupgaroublond.blogspot.com/2009/04/wanted-graphic-designer.html

 The Ohio Linux Fest team is looking for a volunteer to do some graphic
 design for the upcoming conference in 2009. From what i gathered, the
 primary job would be to maintain a consistent look across materials
 distributed and create any logos or other graphic design work needed

 Rahul

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Re: Fedora 11 countdown banner (artwork team release)

2009-04-10 Thread MANNY HIDALBEMA
I don't know... but the lion it's out of place...I'm gonna try to send
some design

2009/4/10, Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro:
 On 04/10/2009 12:44 PM, Paolo Leoni wrote:
 Here you can find the italian translation for the F11 countdown banner
 with pre-redendered images:

 http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora11-countdown-banner_it.tar.gz

 Only a question: for the F11 preview release will be necessary a release
 banner or we'll go directly with final release banner?

 For F10 we jumped[1] from the Beta banner to the counter, so I guess is
 sensible to to this again, a banner for the preview is of little use if
 we already count down.

 [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/PromoBanners#Fedora_10

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Re: idea for Fedora boot screen

2009-04-10 Thread Martin Sourada
On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 09:40 -0400, Michael Langlie wrote:
 Sorry about that. I had intended to but not yet found the way to animate GIFs 
 in GIMP.
 
One layer per frame, you'll specify that you want to make it animated
during save. Not exactly convenient, since I haven't yet figured if
there is a way to preview the animation in gimp, but not hard either. I
also don't know where to specify frames duration (other than default
frames duration that is set during save)...

Here's a quick example [1][2]

 Mike
 
Martin

References:
[1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gimp-ani/gimp-animation-test.xcf
[2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gimp-ani/gimp-animation-test.gif



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Re: idea for Fedora boot screen

2009-04-10 Thread Cata
First , i try new boot screen with 20 sec and without text.
I like first  boot screen (
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif) by
Michael Langlie .
Maybe next time i see more beautiful icons or boot screen.


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Re: idea for Fedora boot screen

2009-04-10 Thread Charlie Brej

Charlie Brej wrote:

Michael Langlie wrote:
Here are a couple animated GIFs (forgive the glow banding near the 
end) demonstrating ideas for a general/non-themed Fedora boot screen. 
They use the logo icon as a progress indicator before being applied as 
branding.


https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_02.gif

Mike

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How does this look? Please give feedback asap. There a are a couple 
things still missing (the stepped progress of the white, the haloing 
moving from the centre). Ignore the rays on the halo.


[1] http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/plymouth_fedora.mpg

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I am going to be away till next Friday somewhere I doubt I will be able to get a 
reasonable internet connection, so here are the two plugins in their current state.


http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/fedora.tar.gz
http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/leonidas.tar.gz

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Re: Fedora 11 countdown banner (artwork team release)

2009-04-10 Thread MANNY HIDALBEMA
I think strongly, if the name for the label is Leoniddas, it's not
according to a lion, in fact Leonidas remember me a Wolf... Moreover,
I think a Spartan helmet that looks like in the movie 300 is closer
to Leonidas, that a lion 
I had been up loaded the sample to my wiki page too...
(https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bm90fox)
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Leonidas backgrounds

2009-04-10 Thread Martin Sourada
Hi,

because KDE folks need this ASAP I've put the lions backgrounds into
rawhide [1]. Now a few notes for folks:

  * -common subpackage contains stuff shared between KDE and GNOME
  * -kdm subpackage contains simplified background for KDM
  * -landscape subpackage contains the backgrounds from beta
  * everything is in jpeg, sans the KDM background. Rex Dieter says
KDM handles only PNGs 

Now, a few notes for Samuele and whomever directly working on the
backgrounds:
  * we need these sizes for dual screens: 4096x1536, 3840x1200,
2560x1024, I suppose the non-dual versions are simply crops of
these. For the time being I've done some resizes/crops with the
biggest version you provided [2]. Preferably in sanely
compressed jpeg (try to get as small size as you can without
visibly affecting the image quality, I've used 93 quality in
gimp, but I don't have very good display so we might actually
need higher values)
  * we need simplified version for KDM, probably in 2048x1536.
Jaroslav, can you confirm the size? We need this one to be in
PNG.
  * can any of you list the CC attributions in a sane format for me
to put it into the package? Would be good to have it both for
the landscape and lion wallpapers.

Thanks,
Martin

References:
[1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=97390
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/e/e4/King_4070x1536.jpg


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Re: Leonidas backgrounds

2009-04-10 Thread Máirín Duffy

Hi Martin,



- Original Message 
 From: Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com

 Now, a few notes for Samuele and whomever directly working on the
 backgrounds:
   * we need these sizes for dual screens: 4096x1536, 3840x1200,
 2560x1024, I suppose the non-dual versions are simply crops of
 these. For the time being I've done some resizes/crops with the
 biggest version you provided [2]. Preferably in sanely
 compressed jpeg (try to get as small size as you can without
 visibly affecting the image quality, I've used 93 quality in
 gimp, but I don't have very good display so we might actually
 need higher values)

Ian put these together:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11/RC#Wallpaper

   * we need simplified version for KDM, probably in 2048x1536.
 Jaroslav, can you confirm the size? We need this one to be in
 PNG.
   * can any of you list the CC attributions in a sane format for me
 to put it into the package? Would be good to have it both for
 the landscape and lion wallpapers.

I listed this out in a recent email in the schedule thread.

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Re: Leonidas backgrounds

2009-04-10 Thread Martin Sourada
On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 14:35 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote:
 Hi Martin,
Hi Mo,

 Ian put these together:
 
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11/RC#Wallpaper
 
Ian has smaller versions for the 4:3 than I have (I've derived from the
latest Samuele's iteration [1] which is 4070x1536, does not have the
mirroring effect on the wavy lines and has slightly different colouring)
and I've included the 1280x1024 ratio (I remember folks were complaining
when we weren't originally going to have it in F10)... One question that
comes to mind -- are we going to use the simplified version (i.e.
without lion) for the single-screen wallpaper and add the lion only for
dual-screen versions? That seems pretty odd to me...

* we need simplified version for KDM, probably in 2048x1536.
  Jaroslav, can you confirm the size? We need this one to be in
  PNG.
* can any of you list the CC attributions in a sane format for me
  to put it into the package? Would be good to have it both for
  the landscape and lion wallpapers.
 
 I listed this out in a recent email in the schedule thread.
 
Thanks, I'll put them together somehow in one file and add them in the
next iteration (which I hope will be the final one).

 ~m
Martin

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Re: Leonidas backgrounds

2009-04-10 Thread Ian Weller
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:33:01AM +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
 On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 14:35 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote:
  Hi Martin,
 Hi Mo,
 
  Ian put these together:
  
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11/RC#Wallpaper
  
 Ian has smaller versions for the 4:3 than I have (I've derived from the
 latest Samuele's iteration [1] which is 4070x1536, does not have the
 mirroring effect on the wavy lines and has slightly different colouring)
 and I've included the 1280x1024 ratio (I remember folks were complaining
 when we weren't originally going to have it in F10)... One question that
 comes to mind -- are we going to use the simplified version (i.e.
 without lion) for the single-screen wallpaper and add the lion only for
 dual-screen versions? That seems pretty odd to me...
 
FWIW I downloaded the .xcf.bz2 source of the wallpaper and then exported
to PNG. Mo wanted PNGs and with the JPEG compression in the original, it
actually created a larger PNG even with optipng.

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Re: the Linux Graphics Users feature

2009-04-10 Thread María Leandro
Awesome

Fedora team Rules :D

2009/4/11, Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro:
 Remember the questions about our team we were asked some days ago for
 the Linux Graphics Users forum? The interview is live, you can read it at:

 http://linuxgraphicsusers.com/index.php?topic=705.msg5198

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Leonidas background brightness

2009-04-10 Thread Warren Togami

Hi,

I really like the new leonidas lion background.  I have only one question.

I have various files sitting on the right side of the GNOME desktop. 
Their filenames are in white and are a bit difficult to read due to the 
brightness of the lion.


I am wondering might it be a good idea to darken the color of the 
background a bit so white filenames might be easier to read?


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Re: Leonidas backgrounds

2009-04-10 Thread Máirín Duffy





- Original Message 
 From: Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com

 are we going to use the simplified version (i.e.
 without lion) for the single-screen wallpaper and add the lion only for
 dual-screen versions? That seems pretty odd to me...

Yep that's the plan.

~m



  

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Desire to join.

2009-04-10 Thread Brock Hudson

Hello, I would like to join the Fedora Artwork Project. I can provide some of 
my work (created on gimp, Scribus, Inkscape etc.) upon request. Thank you for 
any replies. 

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