Re: auto-updates
Paul W. Frields wrote: A note on the supposedly useless interface -- my question is, why do people care so much about a progress bar anyway? When I get an update alert, I right-click, tell the system to install updates, and go about my work. I don't care what the download speed is, since there are usually things I care about more like the activity I'm busy with already. When the updates are done, if it's important I'll get a notifier about restarting my session or the system. I just installed Fedora 11 and there are 400 updates available. I use a dial-up connection in a part of town where I get an average of 2.9 kilobytes per second (bad phone lines). So when something is downloading that generally puts a halt on using the internet connection until the download is finished. I like to know what is being downloaded so that I can prioritize the downloads and know how long the internet connection will be tied up. For me feedback and control of the process is a good thing. Somewhere I read that 60% of the internet connections in the USA are considered broadband connections. That means that 40% of us are still walking down the information super highway. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problem in upgrading to Fedora 11
Hello Jayakrishnan, On Thursday 06 August 2009 01:41 AM, Jayakrishnan M wrote: Sorry for a long mail. I am trying to upgrade a Fedora 10 installation to Fedora 11 using yum. I am following the instructions given here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq But when I try to install the fedora-release rpm, it gives the error [r...@jk ~]# rpm -Uvh fedora-release-11-1.noarch.rpm warning: fedora-release-11-1.noarch.rpm: Header V3 RSA/SHA256 signature: NOKEY, key ID d22e77f2 Preparing...### [100%] 1:fedora-release ### [100%] error: unpacking of archive failed on file /etc/fedora-release;4a7a982b: cpio: MD5 sum mismatch I believe you are having a problem because of this. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/StrongerHashes If you have a separate /home I would say installing from the DVD is a better option rather than go through all this hassle. If you prefer you can also try network installation. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f11/en-US/html-single/#s1-steps-network-installs-x86 GL -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: The ideal mail client?
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 23:32 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > More important is that it's is taking way too long to > check each folder, even when it may only have a few new messages in > it, or none. That looks very much like an implementation problem. Nods... If one client takes mere seconds to do whatever it has to do, when you go into a folder with thousands of messages, other clients ought to be on a par with that. But some clients seem to spend an inordinate amount of time doing something that other clients don't need to do. I've used some that seem to like continuously re-indexing a mail box. Why? Is the program that crap at keeping up to date, and not crashing, that it keeps needing to reinitialise its database? -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: The ideal mail client?
Tim: >> The Opera mail client was useless for that sort of thing. It would >> bog down for twenty minutes or more, just opening the program. Guillermo Garron: > I have found this on the opera help page > > If you are using IMAP with Gmail, go through the following settings > after setting up your IMAP account, to optimally sync your Gmail > account with Opera Mail: > Go to Mail > IMAP Folders. > Under Accounts select your Gmail account. > Now, uncheck the following folders: > [Gmail]/All Mail > [Gmail]/Spam > [Gmail]/Trash > Click Ok > > So, you can unsubscribe from any folder you may want, and therefore, > it will only sync those folders you want it to. > > hope that helps. I gave up on it long ago, but it might help someone else. I was using it with a local IMAP server (Dovecot on Fedora Core 4). Unsubscribing from folder that I wanted to use wouldn't be a solution, though. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: The ideal mail client?
On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 11:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > Tim wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 18:32 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > >> Apropos IMAP issues in Kmail, I just happened to notice this: > >> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202917. > >> > > > > That sounds familiar. I haven't tried Kmail for ages, but I definitely > > recall one or two IMAP clients stupidly wasting ages checking each > > folder, when I could have left them alone until I actually went over to > > that folder. > > > As long as it is configurable it isn't "stupid". TBird, for example, > allows you to configure which folders to check for "new mail" and how > often. This is great for me since I use server based filtering. > Therefore I get notified when new mail arrives in various folders set up > to receive mailing list messages. I only use about 20 folders in that > way...so maybe I'm also being "reasonable". I do the same with Evo, however the bug report cited above speaks of three issues with Kmail, only one of which is related to unnecessary folder checking. More important is that it's is taking way too long to check each folder, even when it may only have a few new messages in it, or none. That looks very much like an implementation problem. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: The ideal mail client?
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 18:32 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> Apropos IMAP issues in Kmail, I just happened to notice this: >> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202917. > > That sounds familiar. I haven't tried Kmail for ages, but I definitely > recall one or two IMAP clients stupidly wasting ages checking each > folder, when I could have left them alone until I actually went over to > that folder. > > The Opera mail client was useless for that sort of thing. It would bog > down for twenty minutes or more, just opening the program. I have found this on the opera help page If you are using IMAP with Gmail, go through the following settings after setting up your IMAP account, to optimally sync your Gmail account with Opera Mail: Go to Mail > IMAP Folders. Under Accounts select your Gmail account. Now, uncheck the following folders: [Gmail]/All Mail [Gmail]/Spam [Gmail]/Trash Click Ok So, you can unsubscribe from any folder you may want, and therefore, it will only sync those folders you want it to. hope that helps. Guillermo. http://www.go2linux.org Actually mainly running Arch Linux > > -- > [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r > 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 > > Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I > read messages from the public lists. > > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- Guillermo Garron "Linux IS user friendly... It's just selective about who its friends are." (Using Ubuntu, Debian, Gentoo) http://feeds.feedburner.com/go2linux http://www.go2linux.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: The ideal mail client?
Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 18:32 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > >> Apropos IMAP issues in Kmail, I just happened to notice this: >> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202917. >> > > That sounds familiar. I haven't tried Kmail for ages, but I definitely > recall one or two IMAP clients stupidly wasting ages checking each > folder, when I could have left them alone until I actually went over to > that folder. > As long as it is configurable it isn't "stupid". TBird, for example, allows you to configure which folders to check for "new mail" and how often. This is great for me since I use server based filtering. Therefore I get notified when new mail arrives in various folders set up to receive mailing list messages. I only use about 20 folders in that way...so maybe I'm also being "reasonable". > The Opera mail client was useless for that sort of thing. It would bog > down for twenty minutes or more, just opening the program. > > That's pretty bad then..wonder how may folders and total number of emails are needed to achieve that level of "performance". :-) -- Convention is the ruler of all. -- Pindar mei-mei.gres...@greshko.com http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=cCSz_koUhSg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: The ideal mail client?
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 21:45 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 10:43:33 -0400 > Tom Horsley wrote: > > > On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 09:58:15 -0430 > > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > > * i.e. deleting a message simply marks it, and expunging a folder > > > removes marked messages. This is how IMAP is defined to work. > > > > I've always hated that particular IMAP convention. Actually, I'd > > rather have a client that just did the dadgum delete when I told > > it to delete. If I didn't mean it, it is my fault - I already said > > delete, I don't want to have to say "expunge" or "empty trash" :-). > > I just noticed that the new claws-mail 3.7.2 (which just appeared in > the fedora repos) says that it supports IMAP mark/expunge semantics > via an option in the imap mail account properties dialog, so you > should be able to use imap in claws-mail now :-). I had understood that to be proposed for version 4, but I must have been mistaken. I look forward to trying it out. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: The ideal mail client?
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 18:32 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Apropos IMAP issues in Kmail, I just happened to notice this: > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202917. That sounds familiar. I haven't tried Kmail for ages, but I definitely recall one or two IMAP clients stupidly wasting ages checking each folder, when I could have left them alone until I actually went over to that folder. The Opera mail client was useless for that sort of thing. It would bog down for twenty minutes or more, just opening the program. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 12:29 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I see your point, but when you're at the mercy of the mirror providing > the data, any estimate of time is difficult at best. Having some idea is better than no idea. Is one going to wait seconds, minutes, or hours? You can then decide what to do, postpone it, or do it now. I hate the Windows way, of doing everything hidden. I don't know what it's doing at a given moment, so I don't know if it's stalled, slow, or just about to finish (booting, shutdown, updating, installing, etc.). And because I can't see what it's doing, I can't do anything to resolve it, when there is a problem. This isn't the model to copy. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are Microsoft codecs?
Sam wrote: >: This package provides FFmpeg-based GStreamer plug-ins. Maybe they are there, but they sure don't have the same effect as MPlayer codecs and plug-ins: MPlayer works. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are Microsoft codecs?
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 22:21 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: > It would just be nice if, instead of letting threads go on endlessly, > it was clearly told that Totem is very unlikely -- despite > Radio-Canada pretending so -- to play WMV unless you buy Fluendo and > that MPlayer offers a free alternative that Red Hat doesn't endorse. Because that's not the case. Paid codecs, like Fluendo, are just one option available to you. Why's it paid? Apart from the obvious of paying for the programming time needed to create the code, and making it available (e.g. webhosting), it's paying for the right to use it. Annoying, but necessary, because of those patent owners. My totem plays WMV files, and I didn't buy a codec from Fluendo, and I've written about this on this list, before. Not that long ago, either. Try installing: gstreamer-ffmpeg Of course, where you live might affect the legality of that. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: The ideal mail client?
On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 10:43:33 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 09:58:15 -0430 > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > * i.e. deleting a message simply marks it, and expunging a folder > > removes marked messages. This is how IMAP is defined to work. > > I've always hated that particular IMAP convention. Actually, I'd > rather have a client that just did the dadgum delete when I told > it to delete. If I didn't mean it, it is my fault - I already said > delete, I don't want to have to say "expunge" or "empty trash" :-). I just noticed that the new claws-mail 3.7.2 (which just appeared in the fedora repos) says that it supports IMAP mark/expunge semantics via an option in the imap mail account properties dialog, so you should be able to use imap in claws-mail now :-). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: security updates causing firefox trouble?
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:23:33 -0700 jackson byers wrote: > I first logged out of X and back in. > > it turned out to be easy to do; > > but i cant be certain what did it: > > ps ax |grep -i firef > showed 8024 as before > just before doing: > > [r...@f10 ~]# fg %8024 > -bash: fg: %8024: no such job > [r...@f10 ~]# kill -15 8024 > -bash: kill: (8024) - No such process > [r...@f10 ~]# kill -9 8024 > -bash: kill: (8024) - No such process > [r...@f10 ~]# ps ax |grep -i firef > 19058 pts/1S+ 0:00 grep -i firef > [r...@f10 ~]# > > we see 8024 now gone. > > So, one of those 3 commands, or their combination, > resulted in killing the 8024 process. I think it was the log in and out of X that allowed the process to complete. It was sleeping waiting for a resource. When you logged out, I surmise it got access to the resource it was waiting for and was able to finish. The fact that the commands showed no such process indicates it was finished before you ran them. Nice illustration of the scheduler in the kernel doing its job. I know Tony said that can't happen in *nix, and I agree with him, *but* your situation indicates to me that it (or something very like it) did. Maybe there is another explanation. > > [r...@f10 ~]# yum-complete-transaction > Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto, refresh-packagekit > Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile > * fedora: fedora.mirror.facebook.net > * rpmfusion-free: mirror.web-ster.com > * rpmfusion-free-updates: mirror.web-ster.com > * rpmfusion-nonfree: mirror.web-ster.com > * rpmfusion-nonfree-updates: mirror.web-ster.com > * updates: mirror.stanford.edu > ... > No Presto metadata available for updates > No unfinished transactions left. > --- > [r...@f10 ~]# package-cleanup --problems > Setting up yum > Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto, refresh-packagekit > Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile > Setting up and reading Presto delta metadata > Reading local RPM database > Processing all local requires > No problems found > [r...@f10 ~]# > > It is good to have learned these commands. > Appears my system is ok, > including updated new kernel > > by...@f10 ~]$ uname -a > Linux f10.pacbell.net 2.6.27.29-170.2.78.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Fri Jul 31 > 04:40:15 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux > This is great! And again, indicates to me that the process finished normally, allowing it to finish all tasks and clean up properly. > > thanks again for the help > Jack > Welcome! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: security updates causing firefox trouble?
stan responded; >> so, it is "Sleeping" >> Any way to wake it up? >> I had firefox off for 40min? no help, the process stayed >> in its sleeping state. > Try invoking PackageKit manually by clicking on it. It should find the > earlier version and ask what you want to do about it. When it seems > appropriate, cancel out of the process to stop everything including the >earlier process. > You can run, as root, fg %8024 That *might* wake it up. If it doesn't, > the alternative is to try killing the process, first with signal 15, > kill -15 8024 > then with signal 9 if that doesn't work. I think you will need to > remove the lock manually if you kill the process, but I can't find > the location of the lock. I first logged out of X and back in. it turned out to be easy to do; but i cant be certain what did it: ps ax |grep -i firef showed 8024 as before just before doing: [r...@f10 ~]# fg %8024 -bash: fg: %8024: no such job [r...@f10 ~]# kill -15 8024 -bash: kill: (8024) - No such process [r...@f10 ~]# kill -9 8024 -bash: kill: (8024) - No such process [r...@f10 ~]# ps ax |grep -i firef 19058 pts/1S+ 0:00 grep -i firef [r...@f10 ~]# we see 8024 now gone. So, one of those 3 commands, or their combination, resulted in killing the 8024 process. [r...@f10 ~]# yum-complete-transaction Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto, refresh-packagekit Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile * fedora: fedora.mirror.facebook.net * rpmfusion-free: mirror.web-ster.com * rpmfusion-free-updates: mirror.web-ster.com * rpmfusion-nonfree: mirror.web-ster.com * rpmfusion-nonfree-updates: mirror.web-ster.com * updates: mirror.stanford.edu ... No Presto metadata available for updates No unfinished transactions left. --- [r...@f10 ~]# package-cleanup --problems Setting up yum Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto, refresh-packagekit Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile Setting up and reading Presto delta metadata Reading local RPM database Processing all local requires No problems found [r...@f10 ~]# It is good to have learned these commands. Appears my system is ok, including updated new kernel by...@f10 ~]$ uname -a Linux f10.pacbell.net 2.6.27.29-170.2.78.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Fri Jul 31 04:40:15 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux thanks again for the help Jack -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: The ideal mail client?
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 15:28 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > >> Never used IMAP, but believe KMail does it as well as POP mail, at > >> least for sane interpretations of the words "sane way". :-) > > > > POP and IMAP are two very different animals. AFAIK Kmail was designed as > > a POP client and had IMAP added later. Every so often I take another > > look at Kmail's IMAP support and get the impression it's still not quite > > there, e.g. when reconnecting to a large folder it seemed to spend an > > inordinate amount of time doing something (indexing? synching? cacheing? > > no idea) before I could see any messages. Note that I don't mean the > > first visit to the folder, which would be understandable, but every > > visit. > > I use kmail with dovecot/IMAP and it works very well for me. > I don't notice the problem you mention. > How large are your folders? > I see I have 4142 messages in my home inbox. > (I archive it each year.) > > I'm currently keeping my email in Ireland, > and accessing it on holiday in Italy, > and that works perfectly. > I had something like 100 new messages today, > and the folder came up almost at once. Apropos IMAP issues in Kmail, I just happened to notice this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202917. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Very VERY Weird problem with Fedora 11 x86_64 net install CD...
Yes it just seems to be the boot media. Thomas E. Casartello, Jr. Staff Assistant - Wireless/Linux Administrator Information Technology Wilson 105A Westfield State College Red Hat Certified Technician (RHCT) -Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eddie Duffy Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:48 PM To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: RE: Very VERY Weird problem with Fedora 11 x86_64 net install CD... Yep, same here (apart from the fact that I left it at Fedora 10). Had a few SCSI-related post-install bootup problems that have been described and fixed in earlier threads, but other than that, it went in fine. Interesting that you were able to upgrade from F10 - F11 without any problems. Might try that myself. Eddie. Ended up getting a Fedora 10 net inst CD to work (64 bit only 32 bit one wouldn?t work) and once I installed the OS, it boots up from the hard drive no problem. I updated it to Fedora 11 from there and it still boots up no problem. Thomas E. Casartello, Jr. Staff Assistant - Wireless/Linux Administrator Information Technology Wilson 105A Westfield State College Red Hat Certified Technician (RHCT) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Very-VERY-Weird-problem-with-Fedora-11-x86_64-net-insta ll-CD...-tp3395774p3406389.html Sent from the fedora mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Interrpreting modifier codes in /etc/inputrc ?? -- [SOLVED]
Thanks Steven; On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 16:27 -0400, Steven W. Orr wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 08/07/09 09:30, quoth William Case: > > Hi; > > > > I solved all my readline problems in .bashrc with > > export INPUTRC='/etc/inputrc'. Before I feel too sheepish ... > > Let me stimulate your need for feeling sheepish. > My wife passed away a few years ago. My ego needs someone, from time to time, to stimulate my sheepishness. > * Never set an environment variable in your .bashrc Instead, set it in your > .bash_profile. > Ah well. That's what happens when you find the solution at night and then post about it the next morning. The export statement was placed in the .bash_profile from the beginning. I just wrote too fast and mis-remembered this morning. > * If you say export INPUTRC=/etc/inputrc in your .bash_profile then you will > bypass any additions that you might want to add for yourself personally. This is a one person system. I deliberately wanted to make the changes universal to the system. > By > default, the ~/.inputrc is read already, so better would be to say in your > ~/.inputrc: > > $include /etc/inputrc > and then add any extras you personally may have. > I didn't know about the $include directive. I looked it up in the readline manual, and now I know what it is for, I will use it. > * Note that the export statement in your .bashrc should not have the pathname > in single quotes. It doesn't hurt but it doesn't do you any good either since > it's inherently a single word. Try to reserve the single quotes to create a > value that may have multiple words and the double quotes for when you have > variable interpolation. OK. Someone, somewhere, sometime ago said I should always use the single quotes "just to be safe". I got into the habit of doing just that. Thanks -- Regards Bill Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 22.3.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
gzip
Hello, What is the difference in gzipping on a i386 and a x86_64 machine ? Both machine use the same version of gzip 1.3.12 but the gz file have a slightly different length (5 more bytes for the 64 bit machine). In theory, I would not worry much, but lyx (x86_64) does not open the x86_64 gzipped files Thank. -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry| |Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | |Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | |email: pd...@york.ac.uk ==-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Interrpreting modifier codes in /etc/inputrc ?? -- [SOLVED]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/07/09 09:30, quoth William Case: > Hi; > > I solved all my readline problems in .bashrc with > export INPUTRC='/etc/inputrc'. Before I feel too sheepish ... Let me stimulate your need for feeling sheepish. * Never set an environment variable in your .bashrc Instead, set it in your .bash_profile. * If you say export INPUTRC=/etc/inputrc in your .bash_profile then you will bypass any additions that you might want to add for yourself personally. By default, the ~/.inputrc is read already, so better would be to say in your ~/.inputrc: $include /etc/inputrc and then add any extras you personally may have. * Note that the export statement in your .bashrc should not have the pathname in single quotes. It doesn't hurt but it doesn't do you any good either since it's inherently a single word. Try to reserve the single quotes to create a value that may have multiple words and the double quotes for when you have variable interpolation. > > On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 13:13 -0400, William Case wrote: >> Hi; >> >> I have the following codes in my readline inputrc: >> >> # for linux console and RH/Debian xterm >> "\e[1~": beginning-of-line >> "\e[4~": end-of-line >> "\e[5~": beginning-of-history >> "\e[6~": end-of-history >> "\e[3~": delete-char >> "\e[2~": quoted-insert >> "\e[5C": forward-word >> "\e[5D": backward-word >> "\e[1;5C": forward-word >> "\e[1;5D": backward-word >> ... etc. >> >> Is there a tutorial or manual that explains or shows what those modifer >> codes mean. That is, I know "\e" must mean ESC key but what does the >> various other codes (e.g. "[1~") mean -- for sure. >> >> I have read the ReadLine manual, and tried Xev and xmodmap -pm -pk with >> no elucidation. > > The readline manual says: > > "1.3 Readline Init File > The name of this file is taken from the value of the environment > variable INPUTRC. If that variable is unset, the default is > `~/.inputrc'. If that file does not exist or cannot be read, the > ultimate default is `/etc/inputrc'." > > Doesn't that sentence seem to say that if the INPUTRC environmental > variable is not set, readline ultimately defaults to '/etc/inputrc'. I > wanted it to default to '/etc/inputrc' so I left it unset! It never > dawned on me that I would have to export or set it to the default first. > It is sort of contrary to what default means -- isn't it? > - -- Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have .0. happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ ..0 Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- 000 individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo at syslang.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkp8jjkACgkQRIVy4fC+NyTZJwCeOZAoT+NqxY4pM28M2wcyK5OJ Ef0AnAt4r46UIlcEm0VQmKlldUlBu4nk =xd1U -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are Microsoft codecs?
>Antonio wrote: > >> Totem has come a long ways and you get it whether you like it or not >because it meets Fedora's requirements + it does not have the ability >to play proprietary file formats by default, one has to add them >through other repositories like rpmfusion. > >To my surprise, it seems those codecs exist: > ># gst-ffmpeg >FFmpeg-based plug-in, contains all the basic decoders for popular >codecs, such as DivX and WMV ># Pitfdll >Plug-ins using the Windows codec DLLs for which no free software >implementation exists yet. > >http://projects.gnome.org/totem/ > >but I can't get them at rpmfusion, at least through regular >repositories. Some work seems to be ongoing: That's because you haven't looked, in at least one of those cases: [...@samlap ~]$ yum search pitfdll Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, fastestmirror, merge-conf, post-transaction- : actions, presto, refresh-packagekit, upgrade-helper, verify Warning: No matches found for: pitfdll No Matches found oh well, I don't believe it's necessary anyway... [...@samlap ~]$ yum info gstreamer-ffmpeg Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, fastestmirror, merge-conf, post-transaction- : actions, presto, refresh-packagekit, upgrade-helper, verify Installed Packages Name : gstreamer-ffmpeg Arch : x86_64 Version: 0.10.7 Release: 2.fc11.1 Size : 419 k Repo : installed >From repo : rpmfusion-free-updates Summary: GStreamer FFmpeg-based plug-ins URL: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/ License: GPLv2+ and LGPLv2+ Description: GStreamer is a streaming media framework, based on graphs of : filters which operate on media data. Applications using this : library can do anything from real-time sound processing to playing : videos, and just about anything else media-related. Its : plugin-based architecture means that new data types or processing : capabilities can be added simply by installing new plugins. : : This package provides FFmpeg-based GStreamer plug-ins. -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Very VERY Weird problem with Fedora 11 x86_64 net install CD...
Yep, same here (apart from the fact that I left it at Fedora 10). Had a few SCSI-related post-install bootup problems that have been described and fixed in earlier threads, but other than that, it went in fine. Interesting that you were able to upgrade from F10 - F11 without any problems. Might try that myself. Eddie. Ended up getting a Fedora 10 net inst CD to work (64 bit only 32 bit one wouldn?t work) and once I installed the OS, it boots up from the hard drive no problem. I updated it to Fedora 11 from there and it still boots up no problem. Thomas E. Casartello, Jr. Staff Assistant - Wireless/Linux Administrator Information Technology Wilson 105A Westfield State College Red Hat Certified Technician (RHCT) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Very-VERY-Weird-problem-with-Fedora-11-x86_64-net-install-CD...-tp3395774p3406389.html Sent from the fedora mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are Microsoft codecs?
> On 07/08/09 20:56, gil...@altern.org wrote: >> Antonio wrote: >> >>> Totem has come a long ways and you get it whether you like it or not >> because it meets Fedora's requirements + it does not have the ability to >> play proprietary file formats by default, one has to add them through >> other repositories like rpmfusion. >> >> To my surprise, it seems those codecs exist: >> >> # gst-ffmpeg >> FFmpeg-based plug-in, contains all the basic decoders for popular >> codecs, >> such as DivX and WMV >> # Pitfdll >> Plug-ins using the Windows codec DLLs for which no free software >> implementation exists yet. >> >> http://projects.gnome.org/totem/ >> >> but I can't get them at rpmfusion, > > If you have totem-gstreamer installed, gstreamer installed. > then totem will work with gstreamer as the backend. > And you then use gstreamer*good from Fedora, (bad, ugly from rpmfusion) Yes, but even if I didn't install gstreamer, I can see the bad and ugly packages, but not gst-ffmpeg and Pitfdll. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are Microsoft codecs?
On 07/08/09 20:56, gil...@altern.org wrote: > Antonio wrote: > >> Totem has come a long ways and you get it whether you like it or not > because it meets Fedora's requirements + it does not have the ability to > play proprietary file formats by default, one has to add them through > other repositories like rpmfusion. > > To my surprise, it seems those codecs exist: > > # gst-ffmpeg > FFmpeg-based plug-in, contains all the basic decoders for popular codecs, > such as DivX and WMV > # Pitfdll > Plug-ins using the Windows codec DLLs for which no free software > implementation exists yet. > > http://projects.gnome.org/totem/ > > but I can't get them at rpmfusion, If you have totem-gstreamer installed, gstreamer installed. then totem will work with gstreamer as the backend. And you then use gstreamer*good from Fedora, (bad, ugly from rpmfusion) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are Microsoft codecs?
Antonio wrote: > Totem has come a long ways and you get it whether you like it or not because it meets Fedora's requirements + it does not have the ability to play proprietary file formats by default, one has to add them through other repositories like rpmfusion. To my surprise, it seems those codecs exist: # gst-ffmpeg FFmpeg-based plug-in, contains all the basic decoders for popular codecs, such as DivX and WMV # Pitfdll Plug-ins using the Windows codec DLLs for which no free software implementation exists yet. http://projects.gnome.org/totem/ but I can't get them at rpmfusion, at least through regular repositories. Some work seems to be ongoing: http://www.google.ca/search?q=site%3Arpmfusion.org+gst-ffmpeg+OR+Pitfdll but given that Fluendo is behind it, I wonder what the outcome will be. For now, MPlayer certainly looks like a better alternative. > I see several good things about the codecs(Micro$oft), as long as they can > be played with a player like mplayer/vlc/xine/_/ etc, There's nothing good to say of proprietary codecs on the web, Antonio. Whether you can read them or not is not what matters. The end result is always that people who own the rights on proprietary software make a lot of dough just by pushing their standards. >> It seems some people show a strange eagerness to make sure >> the subject is >> not discussed. > They feel that "The Horse has been killed long time ago" For now, nobody has explained what WMV codecs fundamentally are, how they work, if Microsoft has put more into them than proprietary arrangements. IMO, the horse is far from dead. > There's also the Adobe Flash plugin, while the FREE* alternatives are getting better, it is very difficult to compete with the original. There > are also vulnerabilities found in that software and intruders can get control of your machine if you don't update the flash player to a newer version if you have adobe's plugin. With Video if you are on dialup, you > might as well (forget about it), you will want to watch a video and it will take forever to download :( You're right about this. Even though Flash is free as in free beer, it's not a good solution. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Does the nouveau driver support dual monitors ? How ?
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 10:28:18 am Linuxguy123 wrote: > Kernel 2.6.29.6-217 installed this morning on my computer during a yum > update. There was no kmod-nvidia package. My computer rebooted using a > different video driver. nouveau ? > > Its all good except that I lost my dual display functionality and I need > it back. > > Assuming the driver running is nouveau, how does one set up dual display > functionality ? I ask this because a while back I read that using > xorg.conf for setting things up is kind of taboo these days. (This was > in reference to initializing the Synaptics touchpad.) but you can still do it. my dual monitor setup which works perfectly without ang gui setup tools (using KDE): Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 EndSection Section "Files" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" Option "AIGLX" "off" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "DVI-I-0" Option "LeftOf" "VGA-0" Option "PreferredMode" "1680x1050" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "VGA-0" Option "PreferredMode" "1280x1024" Option "DPMS" "Off" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Device0" Driver "nouveau" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Device0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Disable" EndSection -- Anthony - http://messinet.com - http://messinet.com/~amessina/gallery 8F89 5E72 8DF0 BCF0 10BE 9967 92DC 35DC B001 4A4E signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: GRUB question [SOLVED]
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Smartd has reported that I have 7 uncorrectable errors and it appears to be located in my swap partition. Zeroing out the swap partition and mkswap, failed to correct it. So it seems that the drive after less than 1 year has gone bad. Looks like I will have to RMA the drive as it is still under a 5yr. warrantee. So, I bought a new drive and used gparted to copy over all the partitions sans the swap partition from the bad drive over to the new drive. Everything is now copied over but I am still in doubt of the new drive's MBR sector. Question: using gparted, does it also include the boot sector MBR when copying over the first partition or do I have manually copy the boot sector over or to apply the grub-install? If so, what is the best way to ensure that the MBR is on the new drive? Thanks! Dan I was able to use Ubuntu's LiveCD w/gparted to copy each of the partitions from the old drive to the new drive, with exception to partitions that were damaged beyond repair. Damaged partitions can be restored from backups, but in my case only, the swap partition was damaged, not a problem, just issue command: mkswap -L Of all the suggestions offered so far (dd &| grub-install) it did not work for me. This is due to a different "non-standard" grub setup that I have as follows: boot-sys + +===+===[...]===+ boot-f8boot-f9boot-X Note: "boot-sys" is a "master" boot setup for which I can configure as a "jump point" to each of fedora-version boot partitions, each partition containing it's own boot areas for which multiple kernels can be saved therein. On the HD, the layout is: [boot-sys] [ [boot-f8][root-f8][boot-f9][root-f9][...][boot-X][root-X][...] ] ^primary ext logical -> ^boot flag In my case, Using the LiveCD, run grub, then issue the following commands: grub> root (sda0,0) (boot-sys) grub> setup (sda0,0) Repeat the above two grub commands for every boot-X partitions. When finished, make sure that the device-map & grub-config files have the correct partition defined therein, i.e (sd[a-z]N,M) if you change the partitions around as I did. I did not have to change the fstab files because they are LABEL driven, but in any case, if the partition labels are changed, then update fstab file. == In response to suggestions on using other programs, here is my response: == Using gparted boot CD, the problem I had was that of the video drivers - it did not work for my ASUS P5??? Intel video chips. So I abandoned it and used Ubuntu. With Ubuntu v8.04, I had to use "F4" and "save mode" in order to get the graphics to work. Ubuntu did not support the onboard NIC, so I had to add a standard NIC card that Ubuntu supported. CloneZilla is cool, but takes awhile to get used to this program. Setting up the network was confusing but this program can do remote image backup and restores and with compression. I have saved an image backup but I have not tried a restore. This program is curses/command-line driven, at least with the version I have. I prefer using GUI application, but that is just me. Cheers, Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: Bug in sh-4.0 source build-in command
Konstantin Svist wrote: > John Cornelius wrote: >> It's not a bug, it's supposed to work that way. The behavior can be >> changed by: >> sh-4.0# PATH=$PATH:. > > I used to do this because that's how Windows does it -- until I realized > how bad of an idea it really is. > > Suppose you're root, looking around in a user-writable directory. And > suppose that some user placed a malicious executable called "ls" in that > directory (maybe as simple as echo "rm -rf /" >> ls; chmod 777 ls). > Suddenly, you're executing "ls" - but not the one you think. Well, not really, since /bin would be in PATH before '.'. But still, you're right that it's generally a pretty bad idea to put '.' into PATH. :) -- ToddOpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ It is OK to let your mind go blank, but please turn off the sound. pgpJT9BfuLLUR.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: Bug in sh-4.0 source build-in command
John Cornelius wrote: > It's not a bug, it's supposed to work that way. The behavior can be > changed by: > sh-4.0# PATH=$PATH:. I used to do this because that's how Windows does it -- until I realized how bad of an idea it really is. Suppose you're root, looking around in a user-writable directory. And suppose that some user placed a malicious executable called "ls" in that directory (maybe as simple as echo "rm -rf /" >> ls; chmod 777 ls). Suddenly, you're executing "ls" - but not the one you think. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: Bug in sh-4.0 source build-in command
Il giorno ven, 07/08/2009 alle 18.14 +0200, Andreas Schwab ha scritto: > due to concerns about > introducing the susceptibility to trojan horses Ok. It's not a Bug. Thanks for reply to all. -- Dario Lesca -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Two USB ports dissappeared... (SOLVED)
Steven P. Ulrick wrote: >> Hello Everyone >> I am running a Fedora 11 system based on the Supermicro >> SuperWorkstation 5046AXB. It has approximately 10-12 USB ports, >> with two on the front of the machine that are very handy for my >> camera and card reader. Unfortunately, those two ports in front >> seem to have disappeared as far as Fedora is concerned. > > Hello Everyone... > UGGGH! Sorry for the noise. At least now the fix to my problem is > about to be documented in case anyone else has the same problem. It > it a combination Hardware/Brain Matter issue :) > You are not the first person, nor will you be the last person, that has asked the list for help on what turns out to be a hardware problem. It is not always easy to know when you start troubleshooting. This is especially true when you didn't think you did anything that would have caused the problem. I don't think it is a problem if you ask about hardware problems on the list anyway. There are a lot of people on this list that have run into unusual hardware problems and can recognize the symptoms, and know what to check to be sure. > > P.S.: Hey Mikkel: I am now wrapping my plain text email messages at > column 68 (again, this is in KMail.) I'm looking forward to seeing > the results. > It sound take care of it. This reply should let us know for sure. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Very VERY Weird problem with Fedora 11 x86_64 net install CD...
Ended up getting a Fedora 10 net inst CD to work (64 bit only 32 bit one wouldnt work) and once I installed the OS, it boots up from the hard drive no problem. I updated it to Fedora 11 from there and it still boots up no problem. Thomas E. Casartello, Jr. Staff Assistant - Wireless/Linux Administrator Information Technology Wilson 105A Westfield State College Red Hat Certified Technician (RHCT) -Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Casartello, Thomas Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:11 PM To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: RE: Very VERY Weird problem with Fedora 11 x86_64 net install CD... Yeah I'm having trouble getting anything to work on this thing. Let me know if you get anything working. Thomas E. Casartello, Jr. Staff Assistant - Wireless/Linux Administrator Information Technology Wilson 105A Westfield State College Red Hat Certified Technician (RHCT) -Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eddie Duffy Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:02 PM To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: RE: Very VERY Weird problem with Fedora 11 x86_64 net install CD... I'm getting the exact same thing with attempting an F11 installation on our new R710s here. The system does not respond to any keypress at all after the initial message "Press the key to begin the installation process". I also tried with an old F7 disc, which got a lot further but stalled at one of the scrolling messages before the GUI stage of the install. I also tried with RHEL 5.0, and this went great guns, right through asking me for the installation key. I'm going to try F10 tomorrow, as suggested by Mattias. Yeah that's the exact problem I'm having. And with the live CD I can't even get passed where it says ISOLINUX. Thomas E. Casartello, Jr. Staff Assistant - Wireless/Linux Administrator Information Technology Wilson 105A Westfield State College Red Hat Certified Technician (RHCT) -Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mattias Hellström Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:33 AM To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. Subject: Re: Very VERY Weird problem with Fedora 11 x86_64 net install CD... > When I get the screen saying press enter to begin installation nothing > happens when I press enter (or any other key.) Do you mean at the installer grub screen, In that case I had that for some older release on some motherboards. Try with other boot image (like f10) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Very-VERY-Weird-problem-with-Fedora-11-x86_64-net-insta ll-CD...-tp3395774p3399822.html Sent from the fedora mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: connect to the internet with my bsnl dial - up phone
stan wrote: > On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:16:43 -0500 > "Mikkel L. Ellertson" wrote: >> It is also possible that there is a data cable for the phone so you >> can use it as a modem. Not that I know enough about his setup to be >> sure. > > That interpretation didn't even occur to me - using the cell phone as an > additional access point to the internet via dialup. The computer would > have to have a modem in order to use the landline as an access point. > So it is just a matter of connecting the modem and cell phone, as you > suggest, through a (telephone) cable. Then the process should be > identical to that used for the landline. > I was thinking more of the data cable available that make the phone look like a modem to the system. For a lot of Motorola phones, it is a USB standard USB cable with a 5 pin mini-USB connector on the phone end. You put the phone in the modem mode, and it responds to AT commands. You may have to dial a number, or you may use one of the extended AT commands. There are extended AT commands that will also let you use it to send/receive SMS messages. The thing is, when in the modem mode, the phone looks like a modem USB or bluetooth modem to the system, depending on how you connect to it. This may be what the OP is trying to do... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: connect to the internet with my bsnl dial - up phone
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:16:43 -0500 "Mikkel L. Ellertson" wrote: > It is also possible that their is a data cable for the phone so you > can use it as a modem. Not that I know enough about his setup to be > sure. That interpretation didn't even occur to me - using the cell phone as an additional access point to the internet via dialup. The computer would have to have a modem in order to use the landline as an access point. So it is just a matter of connecting the modem and cell phone, as you suggest, through a (telephone) cable. Then the process should be identical to that used for the landline. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Friday 07 August 2009 17:02:55 Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > But most of us are polite when > making suggestions on how things could be changed to make them work > better for us. We also understand that out suggestions may not be > what is best for most users, and hope people will speak up if they > are not. How are the developers supposed to know how their could be > improved if we don't give them POLITE feedback? And this is exactly why folk should use Brainstorm. It gives us a chance to find out whether others would find the idea useful, and it gives the developers chance to see which things lots of people care about and would use. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: auto-updates
> > I get to read your emails, and wonder why the hell I'm > sitting here trying to make a difference. > > Richard You're sitting there trying to make a difference because there are a WHOLE LOT of others, like myself, who aren't bitching on the list, who greatly appreciate the work you and all the developers do. Thanks... Herb > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Friday 07 August 2009 17:02:25 Craig White wrote: > I think it is important to say this in response to your above comments > because of your status with Fedora Project... > > There may be different opinions about what is the desired behavior but > that is why we have bugzilla and if you feel the behavior doesn't match > with your expectations, the proper thing is to file an RFE in bugzilla. > It may also be useful to post the bugzilla # to the list and ask others > to sound off if they have feelings on the behavior so they can add their > comments. > And please, do just that. Add any useful comment to the bug report. Don't just sit and whine here. > I think that those who use this list merely to whine and/or berate the > developers who are making user interface decisions, likely with specific > intentions, are of little to no value to Fedora and should just be > ignored. +1 Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: Bug in sh-4.0 source build-in command
Dario Lesca wrote: > Il giorno lun, 03/08/2009 alle 20.55 +0200, Michal Schmidt ha > scritto: >> Not a bug. You're running bash in POSIX mode (probably you ran >> "sh"). In POSIX mode the current directory is not searched by the >> source command. This is documented in the manpage. > > IMHO, this is a Bug. No, it's not a bug. The bash-3.2 behavior was the bug. > "source: usage: source filename [arguments]" > > The command "source" take a "file" (-f, 644) and not a "executable" (-x, > 755), like do "ls fil", "cat file", "sh file, "awk file", and many other > command. > > So, if I run "source file", source must use "file", like do other > command. The bash builtins(1) manpage states this fairly clearly: source filename [arguments] Read and execute commands from filename in the current shell environment and return the exit status of the last command executed from filename. If filename does not contain a slash, file names in PATH are used to find the directory containing filename. The file searched for in PATH need not be executable. When bash is not in posix mode, the current directory is searched if no file is found in PATH. If the sourcepath option to the shopt builtin command is turned off, the PATH is not searched. Also see bash author Chet Ramey's recent reply on the bash list: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-bash/2009-07/msg00024.html -- ToddOpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ No sense being pessimistic, it probably wouldn't work anyway pgpsYEvQ3aLiZ.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:05:04AM -0700, Alan Evans wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > A note on the supposedly useless interface -- my question is, why do > > people care so much about a progress bar anyway? When I get an update > > alert, I right-click, tell the system to install updates, and go about > > my work. I don't care what the download speed is, since there are > > usually things I care about more like the activity I'm busy with > > already. When the updates are done, if it's important I'll get a > > notifier about restarting my session or the system. > > Because, on my relatively slow DSL connection at home, I'd like to > know if updates are going to be finished downloading in a couple of > minutes or a few hours. When I'm ready to shut my computer off but > it's downloading updates, it's nice to know if I should just hang > tight for a few minutes or go off to bed and turn the machine off in > the morning. > > There actually is value in knowing how long an unattended process is > going to take. I see your point, but when you're at the mercy of the mirror providing the data, any estimate of time is difficult at best. I suppose I tend not to do an update right before I turn my machine off because I want to observe the results. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: Bug in sh-4.0 source build-in command
Dario Lesca wrote: > Il giorno lun, 03/08/2009 alle 20.55 +0200, Michal Schmidt ha scritto: >> Not a bug. You're running bash in POSIX mode (probably you ran "sh"). >> In POSIX mode the current directory is not searched by the source >> command. This is documented in the manpage. > > IMHO, this is a Bug. > > "source: usage: source filename [arguments]" > > The command "source" take a "file" (-f, 644) and not a "executable" (-x, > 755), like do "ls fil", "cat file", "sh file, "awk file", and many other > command. > > So, if I run "source file", source must use "file", like do other > command. > Well, source is a built-in command, so it acts different if you are using Bash in the sh (posix) mode instead of bash mode. So you may need to give the full path to the file. From the bash man page: source filename [arguments] Read and execute commands from filename in the current shell environment and return the exit status of the last command executed from filename. If filename does not contain a slash, file names in PATH are used to find the directory containing filename. The file searched for in PATH need not be executable. When bash is not in posix mode, the current directory is searched if no file is found in PATH. If the sourcepath option to the shopt builtin command is turned off, the PATH is not searched. If any arguments are supplied, they become the positional parameters when filename is executed. Otherwise the positional parameters are unchanged. The return status is the status of the last command exited within the script (0 if no commands are executed), and false if filename is not found or cannot be read. So I don't think it is a bug, but a compatibility feature. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: connect to the internet with my bsnl dial - up phone
stan wrote: > > Your description and question aren't completely clear to me, but I'll > try to answer. I think you're saying you can browse the internet with > your computer and F10 over your dial up line, and you want to browse the > internet via F10 and the dial up line using your cell phone too. > > I think if you want to do that, you have to get a bluetooth device for > your computer, and then install the Fedora tools for bluetooth (bluez?). > Your cellphone has to be bluetooth capable as well. And the cellphone > has to have a browser. Then you have to configure everything to work > together. I don't have or use this, but that's how I understand the > process. Maybe someone else has direct experience or this exact setup > and can advise you more accurately. > It is also possible that their is a data cable for the phone so you can use it as a modem. Not that I know enough about his setup to be sure. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are Microsoft codecs?
Frank Murphy wrote: > On 07/08/09 06:53, gil...@altern.org wrote: >> (1) Many thanks to Frank Murphy for a few helpful lines on the matter. >> This said, I hope we can go on with determining if windows media codecs aren't, just as doc and xls formats, anything but a marketing scam. > Windows media codecs, and indeed "patented" software in general, are a way for various companies to make money. > You will notice as soon as a patent comes near it's end, > oh, suddenly this new codec appears, which will be flavour of the month. This is just a method, keep the wallets full from a patent pov. I think the same but, you know, video codecs seem a more complicated matter than document formatting code. If you can get bold as easily as this, you're not far from understanding that, since Microsoft is producing Word, doc tags could be as simple. So, I thought it would be interesting to have somebody explain the matter from a technical POV, an Alan Cox of video streaming, if you wish :) This patent way of doing things sometimes has some funny consequences. In a document on using Linux on its site, Radio-Canada, the state television and ally of Microsoft, has to suggest to use MPlayer: Le plugiciel vidéo recommandé par Radio-Canada.ca est MPlayer. (The video plugin recommanded by Radio-Canada.ca is MPlayer) http://www.radio-canada.ca/apropos/aide/pdf/Linuxconsolevideo.pdf They even suggest to remove all other plugins! Of course, they can't explain to taxpayers that they'll have to pay Microsoft to watch state television :) Some people here seem to suggest that my goal for starting this thread is to pressure Red Hat into providing proprietary codecs. It's not and it's never been. As I already said, Red Hat as a publicly traded company, is free to run their business as they wish. Beside, Ubuntu and Debian, which are not in the same situation, act the same. Legally, matters are often complex and facing Microsoft's legal department must not be a happy perspective. It would just be nice if, instead of letting threads go on endlessly, it was clearly told that Totem is very unlikely -- despite Radio-Canada pretending so -- to play WMV unless you buy Fluendo and that MPlayer offers a free alternative that Red Hat doesn't endorse. --snip-- > If it was just about the content, they would make sure to use a really free and open method, has not HTML5 video already no longer the shine in the eye, due to objections from Apple. My memory of HTML5 is rather vague. Let's see: "HTML 5 was initially said to become a game-changer in Web application development, making obsolete such plug-in-based rich Internet application (RIA) technologies as Adobe Flash, Microsoft Silverlight, and Sun JavaFX.[1] Such applications would be made obsolete by specifying a standard video codec for all browsers to use. However, in July 2009, the editor of the burgeoning draft specification dropped the recommendation of the free software Theora and Vorbis codecs, after opposition from Apple and Nokia. This means HTML 5 does not currently specify a common video codec for Web development." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_5 And Nokia has bought Trolltech. What a wonderful world we live in! :) I wonder if most KDE developers stayed when Nokia took control of QT. Surely, if Apple and Nokia hadn't opposed, Microsoft would. Wasn't the internet supposed to be a level playing field? Thanks for your interesting contribution. After all, it seems that not evrybody want to keep certain subjects under the rug. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
2009/8/7 Richard Hughes : > I get to read your emails, and wonder why the hell I'm sitting here > trying to make a difference. > PackageKit has improved by leaps and bounds in the last few months and I am grateful for that. I also like the fact that you listen to feedback from the community. I once mentioned on this list it would be good to know the size of the updates. You had responded to that thread. And now in F11 I was pleasantly surprised with things like update size, menu to select only security updates or all updates. Must be others too that I have missed. Thank you again for all the hard work. PS: PackageKit seems to be quite a bit lacking when dealing with local rpm files, but I am sure that will be addressed too at some point in time. :) -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > A note on the supposedly useless interface -- my question is, why do > people care so much about a progress bar anyway? When I get an update > alert, I right-click, tell the system to install updates, and go about > my work. I don't care what the download speed is, since there are > usually things I care about more like the activity I'm busy with > already. When the updates are done, if it's important I'll get a > notifier about restarting my session or the system. Because, on my relatively slow DSL connection at home, I'd like to know if updates are going to be finished downloading in a couple of minutes or a few hours. When I'm ready to shut my computer off but it's downloading updates, it's nice to know if I should just hang tight for a few minutes or go off to bed and turn the machine off in the morning. There actually is value in knowing how long an unattended process is going to take. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
Craig White wrote: > On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 16:07 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > >> I get to read your emails, and wonder why the hell I'm sitting here >> trying to make a difference. > > because most of us are not ungrateful and insulting. Please do not > consider a handful of vociferous jerks as representative of the > community. > > Craig > > Add me to the list of people that appreciate your work. While I do not need to use it to update my system, I like the convenience of it. I especially like the option of just installing security updates, or installing all updates. We should thank the developers for their hard work, but most of us never think to do it. (Me included.) But most of us are polite when making suggestions on how things could be changed to make them work better for us. We also understand that out suggestions may not be what is best for most users, and hope people will speak up if they are not. How are the developers supposed to know how their could be improved if we don't give them POLITE feedback? I believe that when writing to a developer, you should thank them for their work, and let them know that the change you are asking for would make the program work better for you. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 11:47 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 04:21:59PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > > 2009/8/7 Tom Horsley : > > > OK, I'll leave off the smiley: I cannot for the life of me imagine > > > any train of logic that could lead to the overall design of > > > packagekit without assuming they were deliberately attempting > > > to make it as bad as they possibly could. > > > > Ha! > > > > > And, in fact, they may have been. There seems to be a large and > > > dangerous group of developers out there who base their > > > designs on some imaginary "average user" they seem to think has > > > an IQ of about 4. This is a lot like the Hollywood executives > > > churning out formula movies for their imaginary IQ 4 viewers. > > > > No, Susan, Bevan and Graham are real people, friends and family. > > Something worth remembering before we insult people who are building > the things we're all able to use (or choose not to) for free. > > A note on the supposedly useless interface -- my question is, why do > people care so much about a progress bar anyway? When I get an update > alert, I right-click, tell the system to install updates, and go about > my work. I don't care what the download speed is, since there are > usually things I care about more like the activity I'm busy with > already. When the updates are done, if it's important I'll get a > notifier about restarting my session or the system. I think it is important to say this in response to your above comments because of your status with Fedora Project... There may be different opinions about what is the desired behavior but that is why we have bugzilla and if you feel the behavior doesn't match with your expectations, the proper thing is to file an RFE in bugzilla. It may also be useful to post the bugzilla # to the list and ask others to sound off if they have feelings on the behavior so they can add their comments. I think that those who use this list merely to whine and/or berate the developers who are making user interface decisions, likely with specific intentions, are of little to no value to Fedora and should just be ignored. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Friday 07 August 2009 16:26:43 Gar Nelson wrote: > Craig White wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 16:07 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > >> I get to read your emails, and wonder why the hell I'm sitting here > >> trying to make a difference. > > > > > > because most of us are not ungrateful and insulting. Please do not > > consider a handful of vociferous jerks as representative of the > > community. > > > > Craig > > +1 > > (amazingly enough, I'm not top posting this) I agree. I'm quite happy > with all the work done on PackageKit, and how my Fedora system goes > about updating itself. I don't think I have an IQ of 4, but if I do, > I've so far managed to hide that from my employer. I get notices when > updates are available for my system, I'm given a choice of which updates > to apply and which updates to skip, Oops - you've put your finger on the weak point - you do need a certain level of intelligence to see that ;-) > the updates get applied, and any > dependencies get resolved -- I'm happy as a clam. Thank you to all that > contribute to making this such a smooth and enjoyable process. > It's human nature that folk who complain make the most noise, but there a great many people who do appreciate what Richard and others do. It's fairly rare for them to say so, unfortunately. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: connect to the internet with my bsnl dial - up phone
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:23:41 +0530 rajpal songara wrote: > hi, to everyone, > i'm from india, > & i have a bsnl dial -up phone to browse the internet > but, somehow i'm still not succed to browse internet in my FEDORA10 > with my that wireless phone > > so, plz.. guide me how to configure both fedora10 &my phone Your description and question aren't completely clear to me, but I'll try to answer. I think you're saying you can browse the internet with your computer and F10 over your dial up line, and you want to browse the internet via F10 and the dial up line using your cell phone too. I think if you want to do that, you have to get a bluetooth device for your computer, and then install the Fedora tools for bluetooth (bluez?). Your cellphone has to be bluetooth capable as well. And the cellphone has to have a browser. Then you have to configure everything to work together. I don't have or use this, but that's how I understand the process. Maybe someone else has direct experience or this exact setup and can advise you more accurately. Or maybe you want to install F10 on your cellphone. I have no idea how to do that, and doubt that it is possible without extensive modification. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On 8/7/2009 11:07 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > 2009/8/7 Tom Horsley : >> Me too. I just wish I could turn off packagekit before I ever login >> so it doesn't lock up the update process as soon as I do the first login >> before >> I can disable it :-). > > There are many ways to disable it if you wish. > >> Or even wait for the interface to be remotely sensible at all :-). > > I don't know why you put the ":-)" after the insult, it's still an insult. > >> Several of us complained about the unitless progress bars in the >> very first version, but as far as I know you still can't tell if >> it is downloading a 1 meg package over the world's slowest >> connection or downloading a 1000 meg package at a good clip - >> the progress bars would look exactly the same in either case. > > I'm sorry, I must have missed your post on the mailing list with patches. > >> Having installed and updated on lots of different linux distros >> for testing software at work, the debian/ubuntu synaptic GUI >> is as close to perfect as any I have seen, and the suse yast2 >> GUI was about the most annoying until packagekit came along >> and it takes the prize for being annoying. It is almost like >> they carefully researched how all other GUI software update >> tools worked and made sure they left out everything that could >> be considered remotely useful from all previous designs :-). > > No. > > They (the ones who did the actual work) wrote a framework of software, > catering for the needs of these people > http://www.packagekit.org/pk-profiles.html -- Then busy developers > wrote code for free (often in the evenings after work or at weekends), > and designed GUIs. I don't think anyone is under the delusion that the > applications or stack is perfect right now. > > You (the one complaining) use the software for free, and get to file > bugs (which we try to fix) for free. You also get to complain on > public mailing lists without worrying about the consequences of doing > so. You get the latest versions, or testing versions, all for free. > > I get to read your emails, and wonder why the hell I'm sitting here > trying to make a difference. > > Richard > For the rest of us Richard. The quiet majority. Not the 'bitchy' minority. -- David signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On 8/7/2009 10:11 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:43:59 -0700 > stan wrote: > > > Me too. I just wish I could turn off packagekit before I ever login > so it doesn't lock up the update process as soon as I do the first login > before > I can disable it :-). >snip< You can do that. It's easy. -- David signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 04:21:59PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > 2009/8/7 Tom Horsley : > > OK, I'll leave off the smiley: I cannot for the life of me imagine > > any train of logic that could lead to the overall design of > > packagekit without assuming they were deliberately attempting > > to make it as bad as they possibly could. > > Ha! > > > And, in fact, they may have been. There seems to be a large and > > dangerous group of developers out there who base their > > designs on some imaginary "average user" they seem to think has > > an IQ of about 4. This is a lot like the Hollywood executives > > churning out formula movies for their imaginary IQ 4 viewers. > > No, Susan, Bevan and Graham are real people, friends and family. Something worth remembering before we insult people who are building the things we're all able to use (or choose not to) for free. A note on the supposedly useless interface -- my question is, why do people care so much about a progress bar anyway? When I get an update alert, I right-click, tell the system to install updates, and go about my work. I don't care what the download speed is, since there are usually things I care about more like the activity I'm busy with already. When the updates are done, if it's important I'll get a notifier about restarting my session or the system. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:53:20AM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:56:33 +0530 > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > Can you try again now? > > OK, logging in as a standard gnome user with packagekit applet > still enabled, I was indeed able to run yum update in a terminal > without getting any messages about it being locked (of course > there are no updates to apply since I already downloaded > a slew of them early this morning, but at least there were > no conflicts). What you're seeing is an effect of the fact that free and open source software doesn't stand still. Expecting that things behave just like they did just six months ago is not in line with how they actually work. This doesn't mean that you necessarily need to change what you're doing if it works for you -- another nice effect of FOSS is flexibility. ;-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
Craig White wrote: > On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 16:07 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > > >> I get to read your emails, and wonder why the hell I'm sitting here >> trying to make a difference. >> > > because most of us are not ungrateful and insulting. Please do not > consider a handful of vociferous jerks as representative of the > community. > > Craig > +1 (amazingly enough, I'm not top posting this) I agree. I'm quite happy with all the work done on PackageKit, and how my Fedora system goes about updating itself. I don't think I have an IQ of 4, but if I do, I've so far managed to hide that from my employer. I get notices when updates are available for my system, I'm given a choice of which updates to apply and which updates to skip, the updates get applied, and any dependencies get resolved -- I'm happy as a clam. Thank you to all that contribute to making this such a smooth and enjoyable process. Cheers, Gar -- "The contents of this message are mine personally and do not necessarily reflect any position of NOAA." begin:vcard fn:Gar Nelson n:Nelson;Gar org:National Weather Service, Western Region;WFO Glasgow adr:;;101 Airport Rd.;Glasgow;MT;59230;USA email;internet:gar.nel...@noaa.gov title:ITO tel;work:406.228.2850 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/ggw version:2.1 end:vcard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
2009/8/7 Tom Horsley : > OK, I'll leave off the smiley: I cannot for the life of me imagine > any train of logic that could lead to the overall design of > packagekit without assuming they were deliberately attempting > to make it as bad as they possibly could. Ha! > And, in fact, they may have been. There seems to be a large and > dangerous group of developers out there who base their > designs on some imaginary "average user" they seem to think has > an IQ of about 4. This is a lot like the Hollywood executives > churning out formula movies for their imaginary IQ 4 viewers. No, Susan, Bevan and Graham are real people, friends and family. Richard. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 16:07 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > I get to read your emails, and wonder why the hell I'm sitting here > trying to make a difference. because most of us are not ungrateful and insulting. Please do not consider a handful of vociferous jerks as representative of the community. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On 07/08/09 16:19, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Friday 07 August 2009 15:13:50 Tom Horsley wrote: >> On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:50:44 +0100 >> >> Anne Wilson wrote: >>> Of course you are not forced to update from that notifier. I keep it on, >>> simply as a notifier. I then yum update at a time convenient to me. >> If I have it on, I always find I get a message about the updates >> being locked up by another process when I attempt to update at >> a time convenient to me :-). That's why I disable it completely. > > I've often seen that, if I try to do it immediately after seeing the > notifier. > I simply stop the yum update attempt, wait 3-5 seconds, then start it again. > It hasn't failed me yet. I see yum loop few second until the lock is released and then it continues normally. -- Erik. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:48:21 +0530 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > they carefully researched how all other GUI software update > > tools worked and made sure they left out everything that could > > be considered remotely useful from all previous designs :-). > > It is not funny despite the smileys mostly because you are constantly > being sarcastic instead of being helpful. Stop doing that. OK, I'll leave off the smiley: I cannot for the life of me imagine any train of logic that could lead to the overall design of packagekit without assuming they were deliberately attempting to make it as bad as they possibly could. And, in fact, they may have been. There seems to be a large and dangerous group of developers out there who base their designs on some imaginary "average user" they seem to think has an IQ of about 4. This is a lot like the Hollywood executives churning out formula movies for their imaginary IQ 4 viewers. Contrast that with Pixar where they makes movies they'd like to watch themselves. Much more successful, much better movies. The developers out there who give users no credit for brains would be better off designing software they actually want to use themselves, they might find others want to use it as well. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: Bug in sh-4.0 source build-in command
Il giorno lun, 03/08/2009 alle 20.55 +0200, Michal Schmidt ha scritto: > Not a bug. You're running bash in POSIX mode (probably you ran "sh"). > In POSIX mode the current directory is not searched by the source > command. This is documented in the manpage. IMHO, this is a Bug. "source: usage: source filename [arguments]" The command "source" take a "file" (-f, 644) and not a "executable" (-x, 755), like do "ls fil", "cat file", "sh file, "awk file", and many other command. So, if I run "source file", source must use "file", like do other command. -- Dario Lesca -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
2009/8/7 Tom Horsley : > Me too. I just wish I could turn off packagekit before I ever login > so it doesn't lock up the update process as soon as I do the first login > before > I can disable it :-). There are many ways to disable it if you wish. > Or even wait for the interface to be remotely sensible at all :-). I don't know why you put the ":-)" after the insult, it's still an insult. > Several of us complained about the unitless progress bars in the > very first version, but as far as I know you still can't tell if > it is downloading a 1 meg package over the world's slowest > connection or downloading a 1000 meg package at a good clip - > the progress bars would look exactly the same in either case. I'm sorry, I must have missed your post on the mailing list with patches. > Having installed and updated on lots of different linux distros > for testing software at work, the debian/ubuntu synaptic GUI > is as close to perfect as any I have seen, and the suse yast2 > GUI was about the most annoying until packagekit came along > and it takes the prize for being annoying. It is almost like > they carefully researched how all other GUI software update > tools worked and made sure they left out everything that could > be considered remotely useful from all previous designs :-). No. They (the ones who did the actual work) wrote a framework of software, catering for the needs of these people http://www.packagekit.org/pk-profiles.html -- Then busy developers wrote code for free (often in the evenings after work or at weekends), and designed GUIs. I don't think anyone is under the delusion that the applications or stack is perfect right now. You (the one complaining) use the software for free, and get to file bugs (which we try to fix) for free. You also get to complain on public mailing lists without worrying about the consequences of doing so. You get the latest versions, or testing versions, all for free. I get to read your emails, and wonder why the hell I'm sitting here trying to make a difference. Richard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
connect to the internet with my bsnl dial - up phone
hi, to everyone, i'm from india, & i have a bsnl dial -up phone to browse the internet but, somehow i'm still not succed to browse internet in my FEDORA10 with my that wireless phone so, plz.. guide me how to configure both fedora10 &my phone -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:56:33 +0530 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Can you try again now? OK, logging in as a standard gnome user with packagekit applet still enabled, I was indeed able to run yum update in a terminal without getting any messages about it being locked (of course there are no updates to apply since I already downloaded a slew of them early this morning, but at least there were no conflicts). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
I'm not sure how Yum works with GNOME since I don't use it. When I'm using F11 at home, with KDE4, and there's an update, a Packagekit plasmoid pops up and allow me the chance to review what it wants to update. I generally 'select all', but I have the option of selecting whatever I want to update (or not update). As extensive as the KDE portion of package management is, I find it hard to credit that the GNOME portion would be less capable. If you want to do this manually, since you seem to want to turn off the auto-update functions, my recommendation would be to install the "yumex" package to give yourself a GUI frontend to Yum. Then, whenever you feel like checking for updates, run yumex and get as far away from "Microsoftification" as possible. Yumex is a really nice graphical front end to Yum. I find I use it fairly often to verify what I may have installed, remove stuff I don't really need, see what packages offer a specific function (how many and what packages have "webcam" in their description?) It provides a lot of feedback on what it's doing that you may appreciate with a dialup account. Hope that helps. Gar Stuart McGraw wrote: > I take the lack of responses to my questions about the > software updater as being "no". Am I the only one bothered > by this Microsoftification (no status info, no control, > no documentation, you users just sit back, be happy, and > we will manage your machine for you)? I came to Linux to > get away from that kind of stuff. > > Anyway, I eventually figured out that System -> Preferences > -> Startup Applications is the place to turn it (and some > other unneeded pseudo-services) off. > -- "The contents of this message are mine personally and do not necessarily reflect any position of NOAA." begin:vcard fn:Gar Nelson n:Nelson;Gar org:National Weather Service, Western Region;WFO Glasgow adr:;;101 Airport Rd.;Glasgow;MT;59230;USA email;internet:gar.nel...@noaa.gov title:ITO tel;work:406.228.2850 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/ggw version:2.1 end:vcard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On 08/07/2009 07:54 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:46:55 +0530 > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> When was the last time you tried this? PackageKit doesn't check for >> updates every time you login anymore. Only once per day and only takes >> a few seconds usually. > > Every time I login for the first time right after a new install > this happens to me, which is what reminds me to disable it :-). > Most recently it did it when I installed fedora 11. Can you try again now? Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
[OT] More Fedora humor
In case you missed it: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20090806 -- cmg -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:46:55 +0530 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > When was the last time you tried this? PackageKit doesn't check for > updates every time you login anymore. Only once per day and only takes > a few seconds usually. Every time I login for the first time right after a new install this happens to me, which is what reminds me to disable it :-). Most recently it did it when I installed fedora 11. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On 08/07/2009 07:41 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: It is almost like > they carefully researched how all other GUI software update > tools worked and made sure they left out everything that could > be considered remotely useful from all previous designs :-). It is not funny despite the smileys mostly because you are constantly being sarcastic instead of being helpful. Stop doing that. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Friday 07 August 2009 15:13:50 Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:50:44 +0100 > > Anne Wilson wrote: > > Of course you are not forced to update from that notifier. I keep it on, > > simply as a notifier. I then yum update at a time convenient to me. > > If I have it on, I always find I get a message about the updates > being locked up by another process when I attempt to update at > a time convenient to me :-). That's why I disable it completely. I've often seen that, if I try to do it immediately after seeing the notifier. I simply stop the yum update attempt, wait 3-5 seconds, then start it again. It hasn't failed me yet. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On 08/07/2009 07:43 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:50:44 +0100 > Anne Wilson wrote: > >> Of course you are not forced to update from that notifier. I keep it on, >> simply as a notifier. I then yum update at a time convenient to me. > > If I have it on, I always find I get a message about the updates > being locked up by another process when I attempt to update at > a time convenient to me :-). That's why I disable it completely. When was the last time you tried this? PackageKit doesn't check for updates every time you login anymore. Only once per day and only takes a few seconds usually. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:50:44 +0100 Anne Wilson wrote: > Of course you are not forced to update from that notifier. I keep it on, > simply as a notifier. I then yum update at a time convenient to me. If I have it on, I always find I get a message about the updates being locked up by another process when I attempt to update at a time convenient to me :-). That's why I disable it completely. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Two USB ports dissappeared... (SOLVED)
> Hello Everyone > I am running a Fedora 11 system based on the Supermicro > SuperWorkstation 5046AXB. It has approximately 10-12 USB ports, > with two on the front of the machine that are very handy for my > camera and card reader. Unfortunately, those two ports in front > seem to have disappeared as far as Fedora is concerned. Hello Everyone... UGGGH! Sorry for the noise. At least now the fix to my problem is about to be documented in case anyone else has the same problem. It it a combination Hardware/Brain Matter issue :) The SuperMicro system that I am running can also be mounted in a rack as a server. So, they put the following items all together in an enclosure that can be pulled out and turned 90 degrees so that everything is in the proper direction when it is mounted in a rack: 1. Two slots for optical drives and such things 2. One slot for a floppy drive 3. A panel at the top that has the power button, an assortment of lights, the reset button, and the two USB ports that I started this thread over. When I got this system I learned REAL QUICK that the cable for everything but the USB ports comes unplugged real easy. Now I see that as kind of a safety feature to keep people from accidentally yanking a cable and breaking something. The cable for everything BUT the USB ports is right where you can see it very clearly. The cable for the two USB ports ON THE OTHER HAND :), is about a half inch to an inch further back. It does not come completely disconnected as easily as the other cable does, BUT it can be pulled out far enough to cause the issues that I have bothered this list with... But anyway, all is now well... Thank you for your help, Steven P. Ulrick P.S.: Hey Mikkel: I am now wrapping my plain text email messages at column 68 (again, this is in KMail.) I'm looking forward to seeing the results. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:43:59 -0700 stan wrote: > We voted with our feet. I turn packagekit off immediately, and do > updates using yum directly from the command line. I have scripts that Me too. I just wish I could turn off packagekit before I ever login so it doesn't lock up the update process as soon as I do the first login before I can disable it :-). > customize the process so it is exactly the way I want it to be. If you > want control, it is there for you to utilize. If you just want the > packagekit gui developer to make the interface exactly the way *you* > want it, you'll probably be waiting for awhile. ;-) Or even wait for the interface to be remotely sensible at all :-). Several of us complained about the unitless progress bars in the very first version, but as far as I know you still can't tell if it is downloading a 1 meg package over the world's slowest connection or downloading a 1000 meg package at a good clip - the progress bars would look exactly the same in either case. Having installed and updated on lots of different linux distros for testing software at work, the debian/ubuntu synaptic GUI is as close to perfect as any I have seen, and the suse yast2 GUI was about the most annoying until packagekit came along and it takes the prize for being annoying. It is almost like they carefully researched how all other GUI software update tools worked and made sure they left out everything that could be considered remotely useful from all previous designs :-). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:58:32 -0600 Stuart McGraw wrote: > I take the lack of responses to my questions about the > software updater as being "no". Am I the only one bothered > by this Microsoftification (no status info, no control, > no documentation, you users just sit back, be happy, and > we will manage your machine for you)? I came to Linux to > get away from that kind of stuff. Just wanted to add, that for most people, this is exactly what they want. Microsoft is very successful giving people 60% of the benefit with 10% of the effort. If you use your computer as an appliance, a tool to do other things, that can be perfectly adequate. I don't have a problem with providing that ease of use, as long as the choice is there for those who don't want it that way. On linux, the choice is there. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Friday 07 August 2009 14:43:59 stan wrote: > On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:58:32 -0600 > > Stuart McGraw wrote: > > I take the lack of responses to my questions about the > > software updater as being "no". Am I the only one bothered > > by this Microsoftification (no status info, no control, > > no documentation, you users just sit back, be happy, and > > we will manage your machine for you)? I came to Linux to > > get away from that kind of stuff. > > We voted with our feet. I turn packagekit off immediately, and do > updates using yum directly from the command line. I have scripts that > customize the process so it is exactly the way I want it to be. If you > want control, it is there for you to utilize. If you just want the > packagekit gui developer to make the interface exactly the way *you* > want it, you'll probably be waiting for awhile. ;-) Of course you are not forced to update from that notifier. I keep it on, simply as a notifier. I then yum update at a time convenient to me. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:58:32 -0600 Stuart McGraw wrote: > I take the lack of responses to my questions about the > software updater as being "no". Am I the only one bothered > by this Microsoftification (no status info, no control, > no documentation, you users just sit back, be happy, and > we will manage your machine for you)? I came to Linux to > get away from that kind of stuff. We voted with our feet. I turn packagekit off immediately, and do updates using yum directly from the command line. I have scripts that customize the process so it is exactly the way I want it to be. If you want control, it is there for you to utilize. If you just want the packagekit gui developer to make the interface exactly the way *you* want it, you'll probably be waiting for awhile. ;-) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Interrpreting modifier codes in /etc/inputrc ?? -- [SOLVED]
Hi; I solved all my readline problems in .bashrc with export INPUTRC='/etc/inputrc'. Before I feel too sheepish ... On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 13:13 -0400, William Case wrote: > Hi; > > I have the following codes in my readline inputrc: > > # for linux console and RH/Debian xterm > "\e[1~": beginning-of-line > "\e[4~": end-of-line > "\e[5~": beginning-of-history > "\e[6~": end-of-history > "\e[3~": delete-char > "\e[2~": quoted-insert > "\e[5C": forward-word > "\e[5D": backward-word > "\e[1;5C": forward-word > "\e[1;5D": backward-word > ... etc. > > Is there a tutorial or manual that explains or shows what those modifer > codes mean. That is, I know "\e" must mean ESC key but what does the > various other codes (e.g. "[1~") mean -- for sure. > > I have read the ReadLine manual, and tried Xev and xmodmap -pm -pk with > no elucidation. The readline manual says: "1.3 Readline Init File The name of this file is taken from the value of the environment variable INPUTRC. If that variable is unset, the default is `~/.inputrc'. If that file does not exist or cannot be read, the ultimate default is `/etc/inputrc'." Doesn't that sentence seem to say that if the INPUTRC environmental variable is not set, readline ultimately defaults to '/etc/inputrc'. I wanted it to default to '/etc/inputrc' so I left it unset! It never dawned on me that I would have to export or set it to the default first. It is sort of contrary to what default means -- isn't it? -- Regards Bill Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 22.3.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
How to configure heartbeat in gw1 and gw2 [Erro Start heartbeat]
Dear, I am configuring heartbeat, but not start service. *Erro starting service:* logd is already running Starting High-Availability services: cat: /etc/ha.d/haresources: No such file or directory Heartbeat failure [rc=6]. Failed. heartbeat: udpport setting must precede media statementsheartbeat[1703]: 2009/08/01_03:45:27 WARN: WARNING: directive 'udp' replaced by 'bcast' heartbeat: baudrate setting must precede media statementsheartbeat[1703]: 2009/08/01_03:45:27 info: Version 2 support: false heartbeat[1703]: 2009/08/01_03:45:27 WARN: Deprecated 'legacy' auto_failback option selected. heartbeat[1703]: 2009/08/01_03:45:27 WARN: Please convert to 'auto_failback on'. heartbeat[1703]: 2009/08/01_03:45:27 WARN: See documentation for conversion details. heartbeat[1703]: 2009/08/01_03:45:27 WARN: Logging daemon is disabled --enabling logging daemon is recommended heartbeat[1703]: 2009/08/01_03:45:27 info: ** heartbeat[1703]: 2009/08/01_03:45:27 info: Configuration validated. Starting heartbeat 2.1.4 heartbeat[1703]: 2009/08/01_03:45:27 ERROR: Cannot open resources file [/etc/ha.d/haresources] heartbeat[1703]: 2009/08/01_03:45:27 info: An annotated sample /etc/ha.d/haresources file is provided in the documentation. heartbeat[1703]: 2009/08/01_03:45:27 info: Please copy it to /etc/ha.d/haresources, read it, customize it, and try again. heartbeat[1703]: 2009/08/01_03:45:27 ERROR: Configuration error, heartbeat not started. *More ha.cf server [gw1]* # # keepalive: how many seconds between heartbeats # keepalive 2 # # deadtime: seconds-to-declare-host-dead # deadtime 10 # # What UDP port to use for udp or ppp-udp communication? # udpport694 bcast eth0 mcast eth0 225.0.0.1 694 1 0 ucast eth0 192.168.150.133 # What interfaces to heartbeat over? udp eth0 # # Facility to use for syslog()/logger (alternative to log/debugfile) # logfacility local0 # # Tell what machines are in the cluster # nodenodename ...-- must match uname -n nodegw1.linux.com.br nodegw2.linux.com.br *More ha.cf server [gw2]* # keepalive: how many seconds between heartbeats # keepalive 2 # # deadtime: seconds-to-declare-host-dead # deadtime 10 # # What UDP port to use for udp or ppp-udp communication? # udpport694 bcast eth0 mcast eth0 225.0.0.1 694 1 0 ucast eth0 192.168.150.141 # What interfaces to heartbeat over? udp eth0 # # Facility to use for syslog()/logger (alternative to log/debugfile) # logfacility local0 # # Tell what machines are in the cluster # nodenodename ...-- must match uname -n nodegw1.linux.com.br nodegw2.linux.com.br -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On Tuesday 04 August 2009 18:30:36 Stuart McGraw wrote: > I just installed Fedora 11 on my new pc. Shortly > thereafter I was presented with a pop-up box that > said 28 security updates were available. I (foolishly > as it turned out) clicked the update button. My > internet connection is a modem and the machine > has been downloading for about 20 hours now. > Clicking on the little updater icon in the Gnome > panel does not offer any information or control. > > So... how do I find out: > * What it is downloading? > * What is the total size of the downloads? > * How much is done, how much remains? > * How to pause it so I can get my email? > * How do I turn off auto-updates permanently? > (In System->Prefs->Software Updates I had set > "Check for updates" and "Check for major updates" > to "Never" but it still seems to be checking. There seems to be a major flaw in your titling - they did not auto-update. As you remarked, you hit the button that told them to go ahead. Another button allows you to review what is going to be downloaded and you can escape at that time. Please read what is on your screen. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: force modifier keys off?
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 08:25 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > My system just became convinced that the control and shift > modifier keys were pressed all the time (don't ask me how > it got in this state). I finally just rebooted to set > everything back to normal. > > Is there any handy utility I can use to tell the X server: > "Trust me, there are no modifier keys pressed."? If it > happens again, it would be nice to have it so I don't > have to reboot to fix it :-). > > Maybe use the X test extension to send key release events > for all modifier keys? Pressing each of the modifiers in succession has cleared this for me in the past -- the key-released scancodes are convincing evidence that the key is no longer pressed. YMMV. -Chris -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Are you being heard?
On Friday 07 August 2009 01:36:19 Antonio Olivares wrote: > > Since this thread is receiving lots of replies. Here's mine. > > I am a loyal KDE/Gnome user. I use both. I don't really prefer one over > the other except when one does not work, that is the case on one machine I > have at home. Gnome works, KDE does not. Then alright Gnome you are the > one on that machine. > > But I have kept quiet and I am really really really really (really)^n > > lim (really_dissapointed)^n > n -> \infty > > with the digital clock in KDE 4.X where X is a number 1.Y, 2.Z where Y and > Z are integers in KDE releasees. > > I really would have appreciated the old nice trustworthy (beautiful) old > KDE 3.5.X series clock. The new clock is OK, but nowhere likablitiy like > the old one. > A clock is a clock. Mine tells me the time and date - that's all I want from it. > I know that is very little thing to be dissapointed about, but I thought > that they(KDE developers) would care to put back a nice old fashioned > digital clock that was there before, but it has not happened :( > Only one this is needed to get it done - someone with the correct skills to actually want the same thing enough to code it. Either that person doesn't exist, or has up to now been busy on fixing things that are actually broken, rather than wishes. > Other than that, things are really looking very GOOO.D and if > it were not for that complain, I would be much much much happier. > > I know nobody cares, but anyway I mention it and hope others feel the same > way, I know of many that said f* kde and switched to Gnome/xfce/Lxde, but > that is something elese :) > So why are you telling us here? Why are you not posting on Brainstorm? Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
force modifier keys off?
My system just became convinced that the control and shift modifier keys were pressed all the time (don't ask me how it got in this state). I finally just rebooted to set everything back to normal. Is there any handy utility I can use to tell the X server: "Trust me, there are no modifier keys pressed."? If it happens again, it would be nice to have it so I don't have to reboot to fix it :-). Maybe use the X test extension to send key release events for all modifier keys? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Two USB ports dissappeared...
> On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 15:58 -0500, Steven P. Ulrick wrote: > > P.S.: Is the wrapping on the message I sent messed up? If it is I'd > > like to know so I can fix it somehow. I am using the KMail component > > inside of Kontact that is the current version in Fedora 11. > There is one quite noticeable fault with your mail: Here, using > Evolution, it's not threaded as a reply to the message that it should > be. It's threaded as a reply to your original message. > > I see that a lot. Messages threaded incorrectly. Sometimes that's > obviously because the poster has used one of those crappy webmail > clients. I am using KMail 1.11.4, the current version from the Fedora repository. > I'm curious about whether other people see that with this > message, to indicate whether it was a reply problem, or Evolution's > threading things wrong. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 SElinux issues
On 08/04/2009 11:11 AM, Steve wrote: > Daniel, > > Daniel J Walsh wrote: >> On 08/03/2009 10:50 AM, Steve Blackwell wrote: >>> Ever since I upgraded from F9 to F10 when F9 went EOL I've been having >>> lots of SElinux warnings. Here's one. I get at seemingly random times, >>> ie not when I log in. >>> >>> Aug 3 09:06:50 steve setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing >>> polkit-read-aut (polkit_auth_t) "write" to /var/log/gdm/:0-greeter.log >>> (xserver_log_t). For complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l >>> a4a0ec72-1ae8-46af-a27c-441b4a5f1cdb >>> >> This looks like a redirection of stdout to the log file. You can add this >> rule using >> >> # grep polkit-read-aut /var/log/audit/audit.log | audit2allow -M mypolkit >> # semodule -i mypolkit.pp >> >> I believe this is actually a bug in xdm. in that it should be passing append >> privs for its log versus write. > > I can, and will, try this but it seems to me I have a more fundamental > problem. > As I said, this is just one of many alerts. They come in bunches every half > hour or so. The latest group were all "SElinux is preventing certwatch > from". 7 of them. Before that it was system-config-s and polkit, about 25 > different ones of those, some with multiple instances. In F9, I would only > occasionally get an alert. Also, if this is really a bug in xdm, can I really > be the first one to find it? F10 has been out for 7 or 8 months. > >> If a relabel caused you to loose labels, then you need to add the labels via >> semanage fcontext instead of just executing a chcon. >> >> For example, if I had web content under /myweb >> >> # semanage fcontext -a -t httpd_sys_content_t '/myweb(/.*)?' >> # restorecon -R -v /myweb >> >> Would tell the SELinux system about my alternative labeling. > > I don't really have alternative labelling. I just fixed a few of the things > that got flagged. I guess a relabel put everything back to the default. IIUC > what you are suggesting is to make those changes permanent. Would an rpm > update to policy override that? > > Thanks, > Steve > > > No, that is what permanent means. RPM asks the SELinux libraries how to label the system. If you tell SELinux that /myweb needs to be labeled httpd_sys_content_t then RPM will honor that. Restorecon, udev, matchpathcon... and any other program that uses libselinux for labeling will also. Please send me a compressed /var/log/audit/audit.log off list if you would like me to look at why SELinux is complaining on your box. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are Microsoft codecs?
--- On Thu, 8/6/09, gil...@altern.org wrote: > From: gil...@altern.org > Subject: Re: What are Microsoft codecs? > To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." > > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 10:53 PM > Antonio Olivares wrote: > > >> Fedora policy is like GAYS IN THE > > MILITARY ===> DONT ASK DON'T TELL and DON'T BOTHER > :) > > Red Hat, for better or for worst (see my thread on > Shuttleworth and > Debian), is a publicly traded company. If you're a stock > holder, you > /might/ have something to say in the way it manages things. > As a Fedora > user, you don't. > > This said, I would have appreciated if, instead of being > bashed, I would > have been told earlier why Totem would never work swiftly > with Windows > Media(1). Totem has come a long ways and you get it whether you like it or not because it meets Fedora's requirements + it does not have the ability to play proprietary file formats by default, one has to add them through other repositories like rpmfusion. > In business just as in open source software, > there is no > security through obscurity. > > (1) Many thanks to Frank Murphy for a few helpful lines on > the matter. > > This said, I hope we can go on with determining if windows > media codecs > aren't, just as doc and xls formats, anything but a > marketing scam. > I see several good things about the codecs(Micro$oft), as long as they can be played with a player like mplayer/vlc/xine/_/ etc, then there are no problems :), but when that file or group of files is LOCKED and it cannot be opened with any player above, then it is a PROBLEM and this is where one can get PISSED OFF. > > It seems some people show a strange eagerness to make sure > the subject is > not discussed. They feel that "The Horse has been killed long time ago" and it makes no sense to "beat up a dead horse", and in some regard they might have a point. But that is to them and to each their own :) When I have a chance to reply to a certain topic that I like and drop in my points, I will regardless if the horse "is beaten", "has been beaten", or "will continue being beaten and has not died". But that is just me :) > > > Mathematicians writing compression/decompression > algorithms? This is > something I would be interested in :), I only see certain > situations like > > for se playing a music file with mplayer I see a ratio > depending on > which > > bitrate a file was encoded in: > > The reason you can get a whole bootlegged movie on the > internet that > occupies much less than 4 GB, is because it's compressed. ( > I suppose MP2 > on DVDs also offers some compression.) > > In order to provide video on the net, Real Media, Windows > Media, Flash > also compress video, but to different degrees. Also, if a > program is very > popular and thousands of people are asking for it, by > waiting just a few > seconds before beginning a stream, you will feed more than > one viewer at a > time. With video, bandwidth is a concern. > There's also the Adobe Flash plugin, while the FREE* alternatives are getting better, it is very difficult to compete with the original. There are also vulnerabilities found in that software and intruders can get control of your machine if you don't update the flash player to a newer version if you have adobe's plugin. With Video if you are on dialup, you might as well (forget about it), you will want to watch a video and it will take forever to download :( > > Anyways, that's how I understand things for now :) I'm sure > some people > will have more interesting considerations to add. > I am sure that someone will add/delete and make other suggestions which is good for discussion and learning more of this and other eternally intriguing subjects :) > -- Regards, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
2009/8/4 Stuart McGraw : > * What it is downloading? > * What is the total size of the downloads? > * How much is done, how much remains? > * How to pause it so I can get my email? > * How do I turn off auto-updates permanently? > (In System->Prefs->Software Updates I had set > "Check for updates" and "Check for major updates" > to "Never" but it still seems to be checking. You probably want to update gnome-packagekit and PackageKit, as quite a bit of the UI has changed in Fedora 11 over the last few months. Richard. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: scripting doubts
2009/8/6 Cameron Simpson
> On 05Aug2009 09:52, Arthur Meeks Meeks
> wrote:
> | 2009/8/5 Cameron Simpson
> | > On 04Aug2009 20:04, Arthur Meeks Meeks
> | > wrote:
> | > | What's the problem? When I can't log into a mysql database (mostly
> | > | cause it is down) I got a "0", what I want is to discard these
> | > | machines, so they're not included in /tmp/whatever.
> | >
> | > You're probably not getting to pay attention to the mysql exit status.
> [...]
> | >mysql -h "$host" -ublah -pfhfhfhfhf -e "show grants..." >"$grants" \
> | >|| { echo "skipping $host, maybe down" >&2
> | > continue
> | > }
> | >egrep . <"$grants" | wc -l ...
> |
> | Hi Cameron,
> | First off, thanks a lot.
> | I've been trying to include those lines in my script without modifying it
> | too much but it wasn't possible.
> | How would you include your piece of code to this script:
> |
> | #!/bin/bash
> | PASS="fff"
> | LIST="/tmp/perms"
> |
> | for i in `cat /opt/lists/*clusters`; do echo -n $i: && mysql -h$i -uroot
> | -p$PASS -e"show grants for 'user'@'10.10.%.%';" | egrep "REPLICATION
> | CLIENT|ALL" | wc -l ; done > $LIST
>
> Like this (untested):
>
> for i in `cat /opt/lists/*clusters`
> do
> mysql "-h$i" -uroot "-p$PASS" -e"show grants for 'user'@'10.10.%.%';"
> >mysql.out || continue
> echo -n $i:; egrep "REPLICATION CLIENT|ALL" done >"$LIST"
Seems to work like a charm!
Thanks a lot Cameron!
A
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Re: Really OT: Shuttleworth tries to deal with Debian
Hi, in order to REALLY point out the truth, replace ISV by "proprietary software publishers". On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 06:20:00AM +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: > Today, if I'm an upstream developer, say the Mozilla Foundation with > Firefox, I have to work hard to make sure my application will work with > multiple Linux distributions since each has slightly different components. That's just because they want to release their own binary (just like any proprietary software publisher). > As an end-user, you don't see this. But, for an ISV (independent software > vendor), this has always been a real problem. Mozilla has the programmer > resources to handle the problem, many smaller ISVs don't have that luxury. > But, large or small, whether an upstream developer is big as Google or > just a guy with one, small useful program, the more work they have to put > in to supporting multiple Linux distributions the less they like it. > > So, Shuttleworth wrote a long post to the Debian Project list on the > virtues of cadence. After laying out the problem I describe above, he > wrote, "I hear this story all the time from upstreams. "We'd like to help > distributions, but WHICH distribution should we pick?" That's a very > difficult proposition for upstreams. They want to help, but they can't. > And they shouldn't have to pick favorites." Exactly, they don't want to publish the software as Free Software, as such they don't "outsource" the necessary adaptations to each distribution's package mainteners. But really, if THEY want to publish software which removes your rights, I have to ask myself a question «why on Earth should I help them hurt me?» So I don't help them. > Therefore, Shuttleworth argues, "Adopting a broad pattern of cadence and > collaboration between many distributions won't be a silver bullet for ALL > of those problems, but it will go a very long way to simplifying the life > of both upstreams and distribution maintainers. If upstream knows, for > example, that MANY distributions will be shipping a particular version of > their code and supporting it for several years then they are more likely > to be able to justify doing point releases with security fixes for that > version... which in turn makes it easier for the security teams and > maintainers in the distribution." ' This is the only reasonable argument. Rui -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are Microsoft codecs?
On 07/08/09 06:53, gil...@altern.org wrote: --snip-- > > > (1) Many thanks to Frank Murphy for a few helpful lines on the matter. > > This said, I hope we can go on with determining if windows media codecs > aren't, just as doc and xls formats, anything but a marketing scam. > Windows media codecs, and indeed "patented" software in general, are a way for various companies to make money. You will notice as soon as a patent comes near it's end, oh, suddenly this new codec appears, which will be flavour of the month. This is just a method, keep the wallets full from a patent pov. --snip-- > > The reason you can get a whole bootlegged movie on the internet that > occupies much less than 4 GB, is because it's compressed. ( I suppose MP2 > on DVDs also offers some compression.) Also what the "uploader" considers irrelevant is stripped from the encoding, trailers etc.. > In order to provide video on the net, Real Media, Windows Media, Flash > also compress video, but to different degrees. Also, if a program is very > popular and thousands of people are asking for it, by waiting just a few > seconds before beginning a stream, you will feed more than one viewer at a > time. With video, bandwidth is a concern. > All about making money. If it was just about the content, they would make sure to use a really free and open method, has not HTML5 video already no longer the shine in the eye, due to objections from Apple. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are Microsoft codecs?
On 07/08/09 01:38, Ed Greshko wrote: --snip-- > Frankly, Someone Call? Well it's close enough :D -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
