Marketing FAD update
Preparations for this are moving right along - everything in this email is also on the wiki page, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010. If you're interested in participating, there's still time - add yourself to the list at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Attendees; if you need travel funding, put your proposal in at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Budget. == Budget == We approved Henrik's travel budget (plane), along with Paul's and Ben's (gas money). IRC logs with rationale and discussion are linked to from the status columns in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Budget. == Activities == Right now, I'm trying to get each day of the FAD an owner working on some sort of concrete next-step. You've seen some emails to the list (most recently from Henrik) beginning discussion on this front - see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Agenda for more info. All the days have owners except for Sunday, for which we will be working on the Brand Book - Rahul will be starting discussion on a vision for that shortly, but the day itself does not yet have a leader. Anyone interested in stepping up? (This /can/ be done remotely.) == Current days, topics, owners, and next steps == Saturday: Strategy and Research, Robyn Bergeron. Watching the target audience discussion that John Poelstra has started on f-a-b, https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2010-January/msg00012.html. Sunday: Brand Book, No owner yet - please help! Rahul sending a first draft of a vision document to the list. Monday-or-Tuesday: Interviews and filming, Max Spevack. No next step defined yet. The-other-day: PR, Henrik Heigl, with Sakis Samaras helping plan remotely. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora-tour idea
On 01/07/2010 03:03 AM, Jan Wildeboer wrote: Advocatus diaboli would say on slashdot, via Matt Asay: See, Red Hat wants to abuse poor little users for free testing what would you counter to sth like that? FTR - I love the idea, but I want it to be perfect ;-) Jan Ooo. Thanks, Jan - we need more advocatus diaboli on this list. ;) It's an opt-in activity in the do you want to learn how to contribute section of fedora-tour; you won't have to do this - or even see it - if you're not interested. Basically, a Learn More! wizard instead of a href=http://link.org;learn more!/a. Alternatively: Think of it as an included lesson people can choose to deploy if they're curious about how open source communities work together, and how they can begin contributing to that ecosystem if they take a look and decide they're interested. I imagine there would be a are you interested in learning about $foo? click, and then a yes, I'd like to contribute in this way! click; by the time they get to the hello, I am a QA contributor part, they'll know full well that's what they're doing, that they want to do it, and that they have a choice that will not disadvantage them in any way if they don't pick it. (Would this work as a counter? What holes are there in it?) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: FI content workflow
On 01/07/2010 11:30 PM, Karsten Wade wrote: On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 05:06:32PM -0500, Mel Chua wrote: I tried drafting out an ascii version of the workflow I saw being tossed around at FUDCon - thoughts? Is this accurate? Workable? It's pretty simple. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Content_workflow (I'm not sure if I'm using the word workflow in the same way that FWN uses it - if there's another word I should use instead, or some way this diagram ought to be revised, please ping - or edit the wiki version. ;) As a workflow it makes sense, in the answering if you are using the correct term etc. One thing that is missing is a box alongside press web fedora planet that is an in-flow for original content targeted for FI. Might want to add that even if you don't intend original content for a while? Thanks - added, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Content_workflow. I'm hoping that will actually be a small (or possibly even nonexistent) subset of content; I'd like FI to draw from content upstreams as much as possible so that editors can focus on *finding* good content rather than getting it made, but I'd also love pushback and feedback on that thought; I'm not sure it makes sense yet. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: We are go on Marketing FAD dates - in-person attendees, start figuring out your transport/housing.
On 01/06/2010 03:29 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: I'm assuming that the plan is to fly in the night before? For those of us on the west coast at least Yep - I'm planning on flying in on Friday night (for a Saturday morning start). -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Zikula hackfest whiteboard photos
These were from the FUDCon hackfest, photos thanks to Diana Martin. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula_hackfest#Whiteboards The one I'm looking at right now is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Zikula-whiteboard-fudcon-toronto-02.png, which has Max's notes on content. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [in the news] Virtualisation Enhancements in F12
On 01/06/2010 02:59 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: Actually, I suppose that perhaps [in a magazine] might be better... In any case, I saw this via a facebook friend, thought I would repost the link here. The article even referenced Mel's virtualization feature profile from F12! https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/7/70/F12VirtFeat.pdf -Robyn Whoa, sweet. I wonder if we can do anything to support engineers writing articles for publications on the features they've worked on (which is what happened in this case - By: Amit Shah - The author is part of the virtualisation team at Red Hat and is excited to be a part of the technology that’s rediscovering commodity x86 servers.) Probably something to bring up at the FAD (reminder: get cost estimates for plane tickets!) especially when we get a chance to sit down and talk with some of the aforementioned engineers in Fedoraland (both @RH and @other-places). --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
EMEA Ambassadors talking about TV ads
Thought this snippet from the EMEA Ambassadors meeting today was interesting - the thought of doing TV ads (and what would need to go into a solid proposal/gameplan for such an idea) was raised. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-06/fedora-meeting.2010-01-06-20.07.log.txt start at: 20:37:48 sspreitzer i visited the linux new media ag in munich end at: 21:10:01 spevack #topic Anything else? Thought others here would find this interesting. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fedora-tour idea
Feature idea from the channel tonight - sharing the results of brainstorming/thinking out loud. --- 05:19:30 PhrkOnLsh If jrandom comes into #fedora saying hey i just installed fedora, everything was simply stellar we could do a quick hey do you have five minutes? 05:20:20 mchua PhrkOnLsh: I actually wonder... if... I'm thinking about fedora-tour now. 05:20:31 PhrkOnLsh mchua: hmm :) 05:20:36 mchua When you install Fedora from scratch, it prompts you at the end if you want to submit your smolt profile. 05:20:42 mchua If you say yes, it automagically ships it off. 05:20:54 mchua But what if - in Fedora-tour, or something - by the little contribute section, it went a bit further? 05:21:08 mchua And said hey, here are some things we'd love for you to check, and see if they work - try doing X, Y, Z 05:21:42 mchua and then a few minutes later, congratulations you just submitted your first test case! now go see where it went, and who's going to pick it up from there... 05:21:52 rbergeron oh, that'd be interesting. 05:21:52 PhrkOnLsh hmmm 05:21:55 PhrkOnLsh yeah 05:21:58 rbergeron follow the open source white rabbit 05:22:02 PhrkOnLsh i like it 05:22:03 rbergeron hopefully down the rabbit hole 05:22:04 rbergeron :) 05:22:23 mchua redpill! 05:22:39 rbergeron follow the white rabbit, neo 05:22:42 mchua (the Matrix, obviously, got the colors mixed up. Blue should be down the rabbit hole.) 05:23:04 PhrkOnLsh take the redpill, install the blue linux :P -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting
Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. See you folks there! --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Marketing goals, revisited: the 4 Foundations
Last month, Robyn sent out a brilliant email about how to frame our tasks into goals centered around the Four Foundations: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-December/msg00070.html This happened to be the day after FUDCon when a lot of us were totally exhausted, so I think it got lost in the shuffle... but now is a good time to revisit it. Greetings marketing friends, As some of you have probably read, I've been doing some thinking on not just our specific, measurable goals for F13, but also the marketing team's wider objectives and mission. In other words, we may have this list of fabulous tasks we've brainstormed for F13, but what are our end goals? I've come up with an idea I'd like to propose and/or get feedback on. It may not be the perfect solution, but I think that it might get us on the path to being more mission-oriented in future releases, if we (a) decide to go down this route, and (b) decide at the end of F13 that it was a worthwhile effort. The concept is to organize the tasks we work on around the four foundations of Fedora - Freedom, Friends, Features, First (please see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations if you want the big explanation on all of these things - I know they are each intentionally easy-to-grasp concepts, but the bigger picture behind each one is worth reading). For our team, what this would mean is that each of our tasks should be focused on furthering one (or more) of each of these foundations. Not to pin us in, necessarily - ideas of all types will fall into one of these categories, generally - but to make sure we aren't forgetting to focus on anything. Personally, I think this is a great idea - it immediately makes it clear how the things we're working on tie directly into the larger mission and goals of the entire project, points out a whole bunch of areas we could potentially expand into, and is (hopefully) an easier way for new folks with marketing backgrounds to engage with the project (easier than look, a pile of potentially connected tasks - want to take one? in any case). I've written a bit down about each foundation - this is of course just me brainstorming a bit, I would love to hear more ideas on solidifying these if other team members think it is a good idea. (And by solidifying, I mean into slightly more concise statements :D ) Under each one, I've listed some of the tasks that might fall into that category. (The task lists aren't comprehensive - I've just typed things in here, so don't get mad if your idea isn't here!) Freedom: Use FOSS tools as much as possible (or practical) in production of Marketing materials, and do our best to support solutions that may work in the future. (Side note: See mizmo's post to the marketing list on making the fedora video - it wasn't entirely practical, but bugs were filed, discussions are ongoing, this is GOOD! And awesome video btw, I know you've heard it already but I'm just sayin' it again :D.) Give marketing contributors the freedom and knowledge to work on projects as they choose. Practice openness, and give process more transparency. - HOWTO's on how to make all Marketing deliverables - translations and i18n workflow for marketing stuff - Cross-training of team members for things like Zikula Design does something similar, and there's been some conversation in the Docs team about making that explicit in the Docs mission statement as well (see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Docs_Project_mission_statement) - I think making sure that there's a FOSS toolchain with which *anyone* can do open source marketing is a great idea and we should specifically call out the things in that toolchain at some point - it might make a good presentation at a marketing conference, for instance. Friends: Continue to develop and extend not only the Fedora marketing community, but also the Fedora community in general. - Grow the number of marketing contributors - teach Marketing classes in Classroom to grow the depth of the Fedora community's knowledge about marketing, what it is, how to do it, etc. - Convert 100 users of non-Fedora distros to Fedora as their primary desktop OS Personally, I find the next goal far more interesting... - Encourage 100 college students to sign up as Fedora contributors and each contribute at least one thing. I'd love to get a marketing class working on this - actually, I would love to see a case study (see http://www.hbs.edu/mba/academics/casemethod.html) on Fedora. - FUDCon - Talk up Fedora at at least 20 different LUG meetings worldwide This one's Ambassadors, imo - but the two groups should continue to find ways to work more closely together. - Marketing FAD - RH Summit Yep, we should find out what's going on with this - not having been to one of these before myself, I'm not sure what the opportunities here look like, or how we fit in, but I think it's definitely worth exploring. Mo and
Re: Marketing goals, revisited: the 4 Foundations
(I'm pulling out one section of the thread for a moment, but hope discussion continues on the other ideas brought up as well.) I'd love to get a marketing class working on this - actually, I would love to see a case study (see http://www.hbs.edu/mba/academics/casemethod.html) on Fedora. What would be really interesting is feeding back the process for meeting this goal into a discovery of what worked to captivate and motivate college students to follow through with a contribution. Maybe that's what you mean by the case method? It's hard to tell from the page in question, it's a bit vague but I'm guessing you have some experience with or knowledge about the method yourself. What I think you're talking about is a case study - documenting what we do as a way to make it easier for others to follow. I think we should be a case study of how open source projects can interact with the case method of teaching, which is a particular thing. The case method is a particular way of teaching that I believe is mostly associated with MBA programs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_method. Most of the cases I've seen come from Harvard, which has an extensive collection of them (http://www.hbs.edu/mba/academics/howthecasemethodworks.html, http://www.hbs.edu/learning/case.html - for an example, see http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/5466.html for an explanation and http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/5466.html for the abstract to an actual case.) Think of a case as... an .rpm for curricular content for MBAs. It's a format and delivery mechanism schools are used to. (Someone who actually has an MBA may want to step in and correct me at this point.) There's one on Red Hat, though it's 10 years old by now: http://cb.hbsp.harvard.edu/cb/web/product_detail.seam?R=69-PDF-ENGconversationId=630649E=35930 There's also one called Linux in 2004: http://cb.hbsp.harvard.edu/cb/web/product_detail.seam?R=705407-PDF-ENGconversationId=630649E=45690 Here's the interesting opportunity: these cases are written about companies - there are no cases (yet!) about communities doing many of the same things The Open Source Way. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Thanks to David Ramsey for starting a F13 Slogan page!
(from https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-December/msg00327.html) On 12/29/2009 12:03 AM, David Ramsey wrote: Hello Everyone, Greetings. :) = I like this Fedora 12 one page release notes - A very professional looking page. :) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes = I like the Fedora 12 'Constantine' F12 release slogan - Unite. :) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_release_slogan = I have made an update for Fedora 13 Goddard - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Release_deliverables for the F13 release slogan - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_release_slogan Thanks for making the page, David! We'll be making the big help us pick a slogan! public call for participation in February (see task #5 in http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-marketing-tasks.html) but starting early is almost never a bad idea. ;) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fwd: Re: Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users
Forwarded with Michael Tiemann's permission. The short version: should we look into (1) figuring out an optional (opt-in, I'd suggest) tweak to get Fedora-specific search results when looking for Linux howtos, and/or (2) SEO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine_optimization) at some point? --Mel Original Message Subject: Re: Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:13:05 -0500 From: Michael Tiemann tiem...@redhat.com Kara Schiltz wrote: Computerworld 12.16.09 Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols [clip] Paul Frields, Red Hat's Fedora Project Leader, described Fedora to me as being first and foremost for users interested in and capable of contributing to open source. So if you're a Linux power user, you're going to love Fedora. If you're not, this probably isn't the distro for you. I just installed Fedora 12 (DVD iso x86_64) this past weekend on a very hostile piece of hardware: an old MacBookPro version 2,1. By hostile I mean that it's now old enough to reject the installation of modern versions of Mac OSX. The installation process went perfectly smoothly until it was time to reboot, and that failed because the MBR and/or the GPT has a bootable flag that needed to be reset. I reset the flag, and then grub failed. Some googling led me to question whether my ext4 boot partition was really a proper choice, and when I backed up /boot to some temp space in my rescued filesystem image, reformatted /boot as ext2, and restored the contents, everything worked perfectly thereafter. WIN! What does this have to do with Ubuntu, the implied distro for non-power users, you might ask? I have yet to find a way to search via Google for answers to my Fedora problems without Ubuntu being a prominent, if not nearly exclusive search result. Well, that's not quite true...by adding +fedora -ubuntu I start to get the kinds of results I'm looking for, but by golly for all that Google is supposed to be my Big Brother, it keeps trying to lead me away from Fedora and over to Ubuntu. If there were some way to make technical support help focus on the OS installed on one's machine, I think we'd find at least a level playing field. Any way we could set up Mozilla preferences (and other browsers) to treat Linux like Fedora? M -- GPG Key: F0AD 3368 D24A 56CD A2AD 6A12 CAB3 2E89 EA0A C0E4 The structure of world peace cannot be the work of one man, or one party, or one nation...it must be a peace which rests on the cooperative effort of the whole world. -- Franklin Delano Roosevelt Part of the tragedy is of the artist is that there is no real goal in achieving what you are naturally good at. The real satisfaction lies in the things you accomplish by practice and effort. -- Joris van den Berg, commenting on the death of H. Cartier Bresson Dream so big you can share -- me -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
FI content workflow
I tried drafting out an ascii version of the workflow I saw being tossed around at FUDCon - thoughts? Is this accurate? Workable? It's pretty simple. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Content_workflow (I'm not sure if I'm using the word workflow in the same way that FWN uses it - if there's another word I should use instead, or some way this diagram ought to be revised, please ping - or edit the wiki version. ;) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Self-Introduction: Neville Cross
On 12/30/2009 05:35 PM, Neville A. Cross wrote: * Full legal name Neville Alberto Cross Vogl, but as stated on subject will suffice. Welcome, Neville! It's great to see you in Marketing - I've been admiring your work in Ambassadors for quite some time. I just sponsored you for the FAS group. * What do you want to talk about? - Applications: There is a lot of software in Fedora repos that is useful and is not promoted. Non technical people does not see the beauty on the OS, they look for a tool to solve a task. I want to say to every one that Fedora has those tools. -more ordinary people tales using Fedora. Show that you don't need to know every byte of Fedora to be able to use and contribute. Ooh - you might be interested in a project Sakis Asamaras is heading up, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_stories. * Anything else you'd like to do? - Share my experience dealing with local newspapers, so we can increase world wide media hits. - Help improve fedora distribution program. Kara mentioned she was looking for thoughts on international PR strategy - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_news_distribution_network_(NDN) might be a good thing to look at as well. Are there any Marketing projects you've seen that you'd like to get involved with, or any projects you're already doing that you'd like to add Marketing-fu to? It sounds like you might be able to teach us quite a bit about Marketing as well. ;) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: FAD and some other stuff
Attached is a ODS of plane fare for the Marketing FAD compiled from me lazily searchingk kayak... Wow - thanks, Ryan! expensive as time goes on... looks like the cheapest place for us to meet is DC, followed by Boston. Personally, I'm leaning towards Boston or Raleigh For the record: the estimates (for flights alone) from the spreadsheet are: Washington DC - $1574 Boston - $1694 Raleigh - $2136 I'm assuming we're going to have the FAD in NA since it seems to be the most central place for those interested in attending (though I would love to have future Marketing FADs outside NA, and to do everything we can to get non-NA Marketers to be able to fully participate in this). This doesn't take into account housing costs, which (if we need to do hotel rooms) could also get pretty expensive. I don't know what the couchsurfing situation is in each location and how people feel about couchsurfing, or how it's been done for prior FADs, but these are the people we would /not/ need to figure out housing for at each location: Washington DC: 1 (Paul) Boston: 1 (Mel) Raleigh: 2 (Kara, Max) ... I think that what we actually need right now is a hard number for a budget, so we know what in the way of resources we have, and whether we should be pouring those resources into getting everyone together, or into making this into a you can participate remotely! FAD, etc. Let's see if we can nail that - and the final details - down... possibly not at the next meeting this coming Tuesday (although we can probably get a hard number for budget by then), but by the end of the next one on Jan 12th. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: FAD and some other stuff
... I think that what we actually need right now is a hard number for a budget, so we know what in the way of resources we have, and whether we should be pouring those resources into getting everyone together, or into making this into a you can participate remotely! FAD, etc. Hopefully we could get all together for once for our first FAD. We have a ceiling of somewhere around $3k, so let's switch into get everyone together mode. I'd like to see if we can pull travel and housing for everybody off for $2500 so we have some buffer room for things like a rental car (if needed) and food. Any thoughts on length-of-FAD? I'm not sure what people's work schedules look like, but if we overlap with weekend days to minimize the amount of schedule-shifting folks who aren't on school vacation have to do, some 4-day options would be Thursday-Sunday, Wednesday-Saturday, and Saturday-Tuesday. The last one is my current favorite because we'd start out with a weekend to plan and gear up base material, and then have 2 full workdays to find engineers to interview, talk with RH PR folks, etc... and end with our normal Tuesday meeting time and use it to sync up everyone who can't physically make it. Hotel rooms in Raleigh are cheaper than in pretty much any other location - we can get pretty nice doubles for about $30/person/night. Just thinking out loud right now. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Reminder: NO MEETING this week
It's the holidays - go enjoy them. :) We'll see everyone next Tuesday, though! --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Heads-up: wiki restructuring ongoing.
This is something that's been on my to-do list for a while, and I'll be tinkering it as the day goes by. (Right now, though, I'm taking a break to see if I can borrow the car keys and get to the bike shop to get tools to fix the bikes in the garage.) Some areas where construction has been underway: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Release_deliverables https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Release_activities I'm hoping the restructuring will help us resolve confusion like https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-December/msg00181.html in the future - I'm planning on taking this discussion back to that ambassadors-list thread once this pass-through is done. Chitlesh, I know you watch this list as well - if you (or anyone else) has questions, comments, reverts, edits, tomatoes to throw, etc - go for it! --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Heads-up: wiki restructuring ongoing.
I'm hoping the restructuring will help us resolve confusion like https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-December/msg00181.html in the future - I'm planning on taking this discussion back to that ambassadors-list thread once this pass-through is done. A bit more explanation on exactly how I'm hoping this works out: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-December/msg00281.html --Mel PS: Doing this restructuring is also reminding me wow, we don't have most of these SOPs written. Fix, fix, fix! But that's already on our to-do list for before Alpha (March), so we're going to be okay. (Help with the SOPs welcomed, though? ;) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Self-Introduction: Jan Wildeboer
* Full legal name: Jan Wildeboer Welcome, Jan! It's good to have you here. * What do you want to talk about? - The impact of open on society, corporate world, philosophy, science, education and the world. - What Open means in several contexts you might not expect it - monetary system, democracy, transnational movements Jan got on Planet Fedora last night, so we'll be hearing lots more from him on this. * What would you like to see in Fedora? - A more general visibility outside the world of Linux and stuff. Fedora is a lot more. Our community can deliver so much more. ...and I'm also hoping to hear more about this. ;) * What level and type of marketing skills do you have? - Good speaker - Deep technical knowledge - Known for sarcasm, irony and respectful bashing ;-) * What other skills do you have that might be applicable? - The red Fedora looks good on me ;-) In tattoo form, too! --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Meeting minutes 2009-12-22
Posted to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009 - minutes at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-22/fedora-meeting.2009-12-22-19.59.html, full logs at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-22/fedora-meeting.2009-12-22-19.59.log.html. WE HAVE NO MEETING NEXT WEEK. I repeat: WE HAVE NO MEETING NEXT WEEK. Go on vacation, hang out with family and friends, eat some good food, get some sleep. ;-) Chill out, enjoy the holidays, and we'll see each other in 2010! 1. roll call (mchua, 20:00:01) 2. agenda (mchua, 20:03:18) 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Agenda (mchua, 20:03:22) 3. Limesurvey (mchua, 20:05:13) 4. fedora-tour (mchua, 20:07:54) 1. http://glasgowtransport.co.uk/GGPTE_UG_TICKETS2.jpg (franciscod, 20:13:50) 5. back to limesurvey/marketing research (mchua, 20:18:18) 1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508817 (PhrkOnLsh, 20:19:25) 6. Fedora Insight (mchua, 20:23:26) 1. Sparks is getting a weekly meeting set up as we near the end-stretch. (mchua, 20:23:40) 2. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-December/000310.html (mchua, 20:23:43) 3. Websites will be taking over maintenance of the back-end once we launch. (mchua, 20:23:46) 4. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-December/000313.html (mchua, 20:23:50) 5. The big area we need help in is closing Design/Websites/CSS/Javascript tickets. (mchua, 20:23:57) 6. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Design (mchua, 20:24:00) 7. ACTION: get pcalarco and dbewley to teach a using zikula's pagemaster workflow Classroom at some point (mchua, 20:25:24) 8. ACTION: mchua to do Fedora Insight weekly update on lists/blog re: workflow (mchua, 20:26:49) 7. Marketing FAD 2010 (mchua, 20:29:03) 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010 (mchua, 20:29:07) 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Agenda (mchua, 20:31:31) 3. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_brain_dump (mchua, 20:31:54) 4. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F13_Brainstorm (mchua, 20:32:05) 5. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sankarshan/FedoraHandbook (mchua, 20:33:23) 6. for reference, the FAD will almost certainly be in the middle of march (mchua, 20:33:41) 7. ACTION: combine braindump, brainstorm pages, pull from both for the FAD agenda (mchua, 20:34:34) 8. ACTION: mchua crunch the numbers for FADness and see where we can go and what we can do (mchua, 20:34:50) 8. open floor (mchua, 20:41:08) 1. AGREED: Next week is VACATION TIME! No meeting! Resuming January 5th. (mchua, 20:46:16) 2. ACTION: mchua announce NO MEETING NEXT WEEK!!! to list (mchua, 20:46:30) Meeting ended at 20:47:54 UTC (full logs). Action items 1. get pcalarco and dbewley to teach a using zikula's pagemaster workflow Classroom at some point 2. mchua to do Fedora Insight weekly update on lists/blog re: workflow 3. combine braindump, brainstorm pages, pull from both for the FAD agenda 4. mchua crunch the numbers for FADness and see where we can go and what we can do 5. mchua announce NO MEETING NEXT WEEK!!! to list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
How the Marketing F13 schedule works
Tackled this after the meeting to answer Robyn's questions about the F13 schedule, which I'll also address directly inline on that thread in a moment. Braindump hopefully worth reading (but which will make it out to a more coherent blog post shortly, so don't worry about catching it now if you're busy) is at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2009-12-22/fedora-mktg.2009-12-22-20.49.html, also available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009. Meeting summary --- * LINK: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-marketing-tasks.html (mchua, 20:50:22) * How the F13 marketing schedule works (mchua, 20:57:23) * Alpha (pre-March-2nd): focus on infrastructure (mchua, 20:59:02) * example: F12 retrospective, F13 schedule, FAD planning, join process, SOPs, software tools (limesurvey, zikula, fedora-tour) (mchua, 21:01:15) * Beta (March 3rd - April 6th): focus on deliverables (mchua, 21:09:01) * talking points, slogan, feature profiles, one-page release notes, screenshots library, briefing Ambassadors (mchua, 21:09:18) * other activities: FAD happens during this time, marketing research ongoing, Fedora Insight publishing materials, Desktop team liasons, gear up for PR (press release, press conference) if we have bandwidth. (mchua, 21:10:18) * GA (April 7th - May 11th): focus on PR, center-of-excellence for increasing contributions (mchua, 21:33:38) * examples: interfacing with press, press conference, helping other teams make their marketing deliverables, partnering with Classroom to make on-boarding training opportunities for other teams, Join process consulting, getting-started marketing via Insight for other teams, etc (mchua, 21:34:22) * F13 schedule questions (mchua, 21:35:20) * LINK: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-marketing-tasks.html (mchua, 21:35:54) * ACTION: tasks 13 and 15 refer to a deprecated deliverable we don't do any more (one-page release notes have replaced the tour) and should be deleted. (mchua, 21:43:23) * ACTION: add a brief ambassadors item for 3/30-4/6 (mchua, 21:44:13) * ACTION: when updating SOPs, note on Tours page that Tours has been replaced by one-page release notes (mchua, 21:46:25) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: F13 Schedule - question!
On 12/21/2009 03:01 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: On poelcat's F13 draft schedule (see: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13-draft/f-13-marketing-tasks.html), tasks 13 and 15 are to update / freeze the Fedora tour page. Since we're doing the one-page release notes in lieu of the Fedora tour page, should we remove those tasks from the schedule (I'm assuming so...)? Yes. Should the one-page release notes draft / completion dates be rearranged to be more in line with when the Fedora tour pages were done, or are we comfortable with those dates and how they fall into the grander scheme of things? The completion dates for the one-page/tour as we have them right now are good, but this was a good sanity check to run. Also - shall we put a note on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours reflecting that we now do one-pg release notes instead of Tours, so that anyone looking for a Tour isn't wondering why the heck we didn't have one for F12 (or F13, and so forth)? Yes! We should do this when we revise the SOPs. Thanks for bringing this up, Robyn - I think we're shaping up to have a really solid F13 schedule. Now all we have to do is clean up Trac. :) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Updates to the F13 Marketing schedule
Hi, John! Can you (at some point - not terribly vital and can wait until after the holidays) make these changes to the Marketing schedule (http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-marketing-tasks.html)? 1. Delete tasks 13 and 15, which refer to a deliverable (the tour) we've deprecated in favor of the one-page release notes (which serve the same intended purpose). 2. Add a task called Brief Ambassadors on upcoming release to start on 3/30 and end on 4/6. I think this should pretty much take care of the we must do them! task list for Marketing for F13 - there's a much longer log detailing more plans for the release cycle at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2009-12-22/fedora-mktg.2009-12-22-20.49.html, but they're more in the area of areas of opportunity we want to keep an eye on at these points in time, so I think we'd rather keep the Marketing schedule relatively sparse for the time being. Once we finish the SOPs for each deliverable, and pick the talking points and feature profiles, we might want to add more detail for the middle month (between Alpha release and Beta release), but this is what we have for now. Thanks, --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting
Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. See you folks there! --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Technical communication notes from Betty Ong
Notes from Betty Ong, a student in Seneca's graduate program for technical communications, with my notes inline. Some Marketing Considerations Branding: We need consistency in the message that is communicated through newsletters, podcasts, etc. For example, if a bug is fixed, but we find later that it introduces some other problem, every reference to that bug fix needs to include the extra info about the other problem. Single-sourcing of content would be good, but maybe not so feasible for news. It might be good to start a writing style sheet that a single Fedora meaning for specific words. I would rephrase this as how can we make it so that the easiest way to do things reinforces a consistent message? The idea of a brand/marketing style guide is intriguing, though I'm not sure where to go with it right now - I'm curious how this works for Docs, and for projects outside Fedora. Soliciting feedback from users: After a download is complete, there could be a message to inform new users that they can request additional features by following some easy process. insert fedora-tour here Responding to news about Fedora: We can set up a feed that serves up everything Fedora. insert Fedora Insight here It was fascinating to see what someone's first impressions of Fedora Marketing were through those lens - how do we get more of this kind of feedback? --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: fedora-tour update
This is an excellent example of how to keep communication lines open for a new project - IRC meetings, mailing list updates, and blogging about current progress (and in past posts, opportunities to help). We're going to try and do it the release early, release quickly way. Version 0.1 should be out in a few weeks. :) Let us know when you're ready to figure out what content to put into your design - it might be that we can make a pretty good number of our release deliverables reusable for this as well. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: The 4 Foundations thread on fedora-ambassadors
So this is the idea: * 4 foundations: is the literary representation of what is fedora as a complement of technology and people. * Personas (people): is a way to know more about who makes Fedora possible, how and what does everything gets involved * Picture book: is a window through our team real life beyond the pc monitor. what can we do with this 3 projects? you can ask this questions to yourself: The idea was to possibly combine resources from the above 3 projects into Making One Deliverable: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sankarshan/FedoraHandbook This isn't a release deliverable (non-critical-path for Marketing right now) but it would be *extremely* nice to have. It may make a good deliverable for our FAD: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Workshops (depending on the other things we want to get done). Mostly, this project needs someone to step up and move it forward, which is what Tatica is doing. :) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Contributor Spotlight Podcast
So, On 12/19/2009 08:21 PM, Ryan Rix wrote: At a few weeks' ago marketing(may have been ambassadors?) meeting, I drug Paul Mellors (cc'd) into a discussion with Max Spevack and I about creating a podcast snip We'd brainstorm a list of contributors; not just big names, but a lot of the newer developers, too. This has, I think, a two-fold effect: It gets new developers who get featured -really- excited and the chance to promote $project of theirs, and it shows people who may be thinking about contributing just how easy it can be. Thoughts? Even easier startup: interview chain. You interview someone, they become the next interviewer and have to interview someone else, and so on down the line. (Note: this only works if it's really easy to set up for making a podcast, so that's something to check.) This is one of those great ideas that came up once upon a time, and keeps coming up (because it /is/ a great idea), and mostly needs someone to step up and do the first interview. ;) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fedora Insight update: the Websites team rocketh / will be taking back-end after launch.
Went to the Websites meeting yesterday to talk about Fedora Insight. Short version: We've got us some CSS help from Websites to finish up theming, and they'll be taking on maintenance of the back-end (FWN and Marketing will continue to own workflow and content) once we do the initial launch: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites#Fedora_Insight What this means immediately: CSS design tickets are getting worked on. (https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/query?status=newstatus=assignedstatus=reopenedkeywords=~insightorder=priority) I've cc'd everyone with FAS access to the theme group and everyone who owns a Fedora Insight CSS/Design ticket to make sure they're informed, know who the others working on the theme are, and can (possibly) make arrangements to sprint on IRC together; I'd suggest making sure that both the Websites and Design teams know when and where that work will be happening. We'll also have proper versioning for theme stuff, finally - thanks to Hiemanshu for getting us into git! (Hosting ticket = https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1886, but it's just been taken care of.) Hiemanshu should be posting here's the repo / how to use it instructions shortly, I believe. --Mel -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Re: Fedora Insight update: the Websites team rocketh / will be taking back-end after launch.
On 12/19/2009 11:43 AM, Hiemanshu Sharma wrote: Anyways the repo is located at git://git.fedorproject.org/git/fedora-insight-theme.git Wow. Thanks, Hiemanshu! I've also copied these instructions over to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Design, and am happy to move them somewhere else if there's a better spot on the wiki. I suspect that eventually we'll want to move this to the Websites space, perhaps after launch when we update the documentation as part of the backend handoff. --Mel -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
The 4 Foundations thread on fedora-ambassadors
...makes interesting reading, in case some folks here haven't seen it yet. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-December/msg00219.html They refer to the Foundations - Freedom, Friends, Features, First - we go by, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations. As someone who's still comparatively new to the Fedora world (I wasn't here when the Foundations were first created), it's fascinating to watch these discussions, and how we continuously create our notions of what Fedora means to us. This is the kind of good discussion that I'd love to be able to tell stories about, but which most people don't get to see, or even realize we have. Is there a way to highlight this sort of conversation - maybe as a Fedora Insight article - so other folks can get a glimpse into the kind of community we are (and hopefully, like what they see and join us)? --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
FUDCon Toronto: please take the 5-minute feedback survey
FUDCon Toronto (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009) is over - our largest FUDCon yet! We'd love to get your thoughts on how it went, so: * If you attended FUDCon Toronto, either in-person or remotely via Fedora Live, please take this survey and tell us what you thought. * If you didn't attend FUDCon Toronto but wanted to, please take this survey and tell us how we can help you get to the next one. * If you didn't want to go to FUDCon Toronto, please take this survey and tell us why - it's anonymous. ;-) The survey is available at http://fedoraproject.limequery.org/index.php?sid=34266lang=en There are 29 questions, most of the yes/no variety; the survey takes less than 5 minutes to complete (I just timed myself). A special thanks to Robyn Bergeron, Yaakov Nemoy, and the rest of the Fedora Marketing team for designing the survey so it *can* be completed in less than 5 minutes! Questions are previewable at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_survey. The survey will be active from 12/16/2009 through 1/8/2010, and we'll be analyzing and announcing the results shortly after it closes. If you're curious about the process, interested in helping us analyze the results, or have any questions in general, join the conversation on the Fedora Marketing mailing list (https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list). --Mel -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
FUDCon survey draft - last call for feedback
Robyn put in the survey questions last night (THANK YOU ROBYN!) and I made a couple edits just now and attached the printable version so you can see the questions we're asking so far (the same file is also temporarily up at http://mchua.fedorapeople.org/fudcon-survey-draft.html). Thoughts? Here's what I did just now... * Added a have you been to a FUDCon before? question * Added Tuesday/after-Tuesday as leave-date options since most people left on Tuesday morning. * Added Other suggestions? option for FUDCon Live Other things I can think of... * do we want to add a text box so people can post the URLs of any blog posts/etc they may have written about FUDCon? * should we plug the Events FAD (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010) and/or the fudcon-planning list (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fudcon-planning) at the end? * I'd like to put some sort of link to the Marketing Research page so folks can see how we put this survey together and that they can help us with it (can haz limesurvey library packagers plz), but that page needs a *lot* of cleanup first. Robyn's on the road right now but we'll be in #fedora-mktg finishing this up and launching it out, probably in something like 1.5 hours (1900 UTC, which is ~2pm EST for me). --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: FUDCon survey draft - last call for feedback
In question 26, I think microblogs + Facebook + LinkedIn could be effectively combined as Status updates via Twitter, Identi.ca, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.. I think a lot of people probably use status-spraying tools that update all of them at once. (That's the if Paul has figured that out, probably lots of other people have too theory.) Done, thanks! * do we want to add a text box so people can post the URLs of any blog posts/etc they may have written about FUDCon? * should we plug the Events FAD (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010) and/or the fudcon-planning list (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fudcon-planning) at the end? Yes. Done, except the blog posts are an edit this wiki page! thing now since we're already gathering it elsewhere. Launching in a moment... --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
FUDCon survey: how it was/will be publicized
For future reference, here's what I did/am about to do. * Made a big red take this survey! box on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009 and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009_BarCamp_Schedule so people looking for FUDCon Toronto information will find it (this will have to be updated when the survey closes, btw) * Added it to the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research#FUDcon_survey section so we can keep track of it * emailed the take this survey please! announcement to fedora-devel-announce, fedora-announce-list, fedora-advisory-board, and fudcon-planning (being sent immediately after this email) * blogged it to Planet (coming momentarily) Time will tell if this was enough. In the meantime, please take the survey and blog it up and such. :) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: FUDCon survey: how it was/will be publicized
* blogged it to Planet (coming momentarily) So, I made a version with a quickie shiny picture, to test Mo's suggestion of if you want something to get responses, put visuals in it. http://blog.melchua.com/2009/12/16/fudcon-toronto-its-survey-time/ Clearly my adcopy writing skills need work, but it's a start. I'm looking forward to our infrastructure projects being done, because marketing research surveys are probably the sorts of thing we'd like to put out please take me! articles for on Fedora Insight. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Zikula Weekly Meeting
Can we get a few of y'all to list out to Fedora Planet, maybe fedora-devel-list the specific needs we have? I.e., not just HALp!1! but specific lists of what we know we need so far. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Packaging is what I know about, which mostly links to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status. At our first meeting we should go through and make sure that list is up to date, and then go HALP! --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Marketing logo/icon has been requested
I updated the ticket with a couple of small improvements (changed the font from URW Gothic to Mgopen Modata and used the actual wordmark for fedora), If you like the modification just update the wiki attachments. Updated, thanks! Ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/110#comment:4 See the difference in the logos: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.png https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.svg Revised logo in action: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
SOP creation made easier
Since we were directly inspired to create the Marketing SOPs by seeing how much good it's done Infrastructure to have them, I thought I'd share some back - we made a template and a SOP for making SOPs to make the SOP-generation process itself easier on folks who might not want to spend a lot of time on wiki editing. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Creating_a_Marketing_SOP https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Marketing_SOP They're both marketing-specific at the moment, but could be cloned for Infrastructure in a few minutes. Another way to make it even easier to make SOPs would be to use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InputBox, which would give you a text field with a button next to it; if you type a title into the text field and hit the button, it throws you straight into the Edit page for a new page with that title, with a template you prespecify already in there. If someone wants to implement that extension, I'd be happy to do the wiki work needed to document/use it for various types of pages-that-should-be-easy-to-create once the extension is installed. --Mel Original Message Subject: Marketing SOPs Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:24:30 -0500 From: Mel Chua m...@redhat.com Reply-To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base fedora-marketing-l...@redhat.com To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base fedora-marketing-l...@redhat.com One of the projects we have between now and Alpha is to document how to create each of our primary release deliverables in the form of a SOP[0]. You can see our current SOPs here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Marketing_SOPs#How_to_contribute. Some are more polished than others. Of course, I had to start by making a SOP on how to make SOPs. :) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Creating_a_Marketing_SOP It makes use of the (also new) Marketing SOP template, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Marketing_SOP. That template is meant to be a suggestion/aide to make life easier, so don't feel compelled to stick to it if you think a different format will work better for you. --Mel [0] Standard Operating Procedure - we used to call them HOWTOs, but I switched the term to be more consistent with the terminology other teams use (specifically, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Infrastructure_SOPs). The HOWTO pages have been redirected/recategorized to reflect this. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list fedora-marketing-l...@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Marketing Infrastructure projects, update 2009-12-15
Since a substantial portion of what Marketing is working on between now and Alpha (March 2) is getting infrastructure/tools up so we can do our work efficiently for the rest of the cycle, here's a quick update on our two big marketing-related infrastructure projects, also sent to Logistics for cross-team goodness (and mayyybe packaging help? maybe?). Project 1: Zikula This is for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight (which includes FWN, and will be largely reusable for Docs), and progress is being tracked on the logistics list, https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/logistics. We are currently (still) on publictest6. We want to have soft-launched on production by Alpha (March 3). Simon has an overview of the remaining work that needs to be done before we can be puppetized (http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-December/000303.html). He's also updated the how to set up a zikula sandbox instructions, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox. We are blocked by final fixes to the theme (design/CSS help needed!) which will then need to be packaged, as well as licensing issues with Scribite (http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-December/000301.html) but it looks like the interaction between Fedora and Zikula folks is beginning to snowball (http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-December/000302.html)... I'd like to see if we can get packagers + upstream on IRC at the same time to just Work Out these licensing issues at one go, because asynch communication is Very Slow. After those blockers are out, I *think* we'll be go for puppetizing. Project 2: Limesurvey This is for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research#Infrastructure, and seems like it should be relatively straightforward (but then again, that's what I thought for zikula...) Robyn Bergeron and Ryan Rix are driving this from the Marketing side of things, but I'm temporarily stepping in for Ryan since he's afk for exams this week. As far as I know, there's only one package involved in this (limesurvey) which is still under review (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508817). It *sounds* from the comments like it should be done and ready for approval, but a reviewer (*coughIancough* is needed). In the meantime, I tried installing the latest SRPM from Eric (Sparks) on pt6, and failboated, details here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_limesurvey_sandbox#Install_the_package. Once the package is approved and installed on pt6, I *think* that's all we'll need (we might want to change the logo, but that's trivial and I really can't think of anything else atm). In the meantime-meantime, because we need to get the FUDCon survey up yesterday, we're giving limeservice $10 to host a 250-response survey for us so we can start administering that survey tomorrow. That means we'll have a db ready to migrate whenever our limesurvey instance goes up, plus people with familiarity administering limesurvey software via the web interface (some of us, myself included, have used it before and know the rudiments). Questions? Comments? Am I missing something? (Is this helpful?) --Mel ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: [Ambassadors] During some of my review of the Fedora 12 Constantine, Fedora 12 Talking Points. :)
On 12/15/2009 08:49 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:31:23AM -0500, David Ramsey wrote: Hello Everyone, Greetings. :) During some of my review of the Fedora 12 Constantine content as well as Fedora 13 Goddard content being developed, I find the following in the Fedora_12_Talking_Points. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Talking_Points There is some entry for Fedora Electronic Lab, eh? I do not understand this for my presentation. I think this was added post-freeze of this content. I think the FEL is a great project and highly worthy of mention as an application of our 'spin' concept. It's very appealing to an audience that is involved in electronics engineering and other hardware oriented development and hacking. However, it probably should be featured somewhere other than the general release talking points. That's one of the reasons we set up the new Spins sites: http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ http://spins.fedoraproject.org/fel/ I'll revert that edit. Thanks for the catch, David - and for the edit, Paul. Copying the Marketing list on this. The Talking Points that the Marketing team produces for our release deliverables are talking points for the Desktop (GNOME) Spin. However, the reason we're writing howtos/SOPs[0] for each of the Marketing deliverables our team produces is precisely so that individual projects (including Spins) can easily make their own versions of our deliverables. It's my hope that we'll see talking points, one-page release notes, etc. made by multiple Spin teams for F13, and we'll do everything we can to make it easy for those teams to do so, in the spirit of making tools available so that people can more readily scratch their own itches. Suggestions/feedback welcome - the first step is getting the howtos up and written, which will be done by Alpha; they'll be announced to the Marketing mailing list as well as posted on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Marketing_HOWTO as they are completed, if you'd like to add that page to your watchlist. --Mel [0] Standard Operating Procedures -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Marketing logo/icon has been requested
Just so you folks know: I submitted a ticket to the Design Team to get us a little shiny on our wiki pages, which Robyn has just gone through and cleaned up. ;) https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/110 --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Marketing SOPs
One of the projects we have between now and Alpha is to document how to create each of our primary release deliverables in the form of a SOP[0]. You can see our current SOPs here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Marketing_SOPs#How_to_contribute. Some are more polished than others. Of course, I had to start by making a SOP on how to make SOPs. :) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Creating_a_Marketing_SOP It makes use of the (also new) Marketing SOP template, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Marketing_SOP. That template is meant to be a suggestion/aide to make life easier, so don't feel compelled to stick to it if you think a different format will work better for you. --Mel [0] Standard Operating Procedure - we used to call them HOWTOs, but I switched the term to be more consistent with the terminology other teams use (specifically, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Infrastructure_SOPs). The HOWTO pages have been redirected/recategorized to reflect this. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Marketing SOPs
On 12/15/2009 01:24 PM, Mel Chua wrote: One of the projects we have between now and Alpha is to document how to create each of our primary release deliverables in the form of a SOP[0]. This was inspired by the Infrastructure Team SOPs, so I've also shared back with them what we've done: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2009-December/msg00058.html Different teams within Fedora have different practices and ways of doing things, and if we see an idea that we like - no matter where it's from - then we should try to adopt it, and share our results back upstream. ;) Another good example of this is our Trac queue, which we didn't have until midway through the F12 release cycle - it was inspired by seeing how the Design Team kept track of work requests using their queue. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Marketing logo/icon has been requested
Well, that was fast.
Tatica made us a logo, which you can see on
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing - it's actually from a logo she
created for the LATAM Marketing group (we have one of those? sweet!),
http://proyectofedora.org/wiki/Mercadeo last month.
Source at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.png and
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.svg.
To use it, include this text at the top of a wiki page:
{{header|marketing}}
Enjoy - and thanks, Tatica! Less than two hours from idea to execution,
if you look at the timestamps on the ticket. Woo!
--Mel
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Re: Marketing SOPs
Different teams within Fedora have different practices and ways of doing things, and if we see an idea that we like - no matter where it's from - then we should try to adopt it, and share our results back upstream. Another good way of sharing ideas: blogging! This one should hit the Planet shortly. http://blog.melchua.com/2009/12/15/please-steal-this-sop/ If you don't already have a blog on Planet, this is a great time to start. There are instructions on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_Fedora_Planet - ask on-list or in-channel if you have any questions. I'm done now. :) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Marketing Infrastructure projects, update 2009-12-15
Since a substantial portion of what Marketing is working on between now and Alpha (March 2) is getting infrastructure/tools up so we can do our work efficiently for the rest of the cycle, here's a quick update on our two big marketing-related infrastructure projects, also sent to Logistics for cross-team goodness (and mayyybe packaging help? maybe?). Project 1: Zikula This is for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight (which includes FWN, and will be largely reusable for Docs), and progress is being tracked on the logistics list, https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/logistics. We are currently (still) on publictest6. We want to have soft-launched on production by Alpha (March 3). Simon has an overview of the remaining work that needs to be done before we can be puppetized (http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-December/000303.html). He's also updated the how to set up a zikula sandbox instructions, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox. We are blocked by final fixes to the theme (design/CSS help needed!) which will then need to be packaged, as well as licensing issues with Scribite (http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-December/000301.html) but it looks like the interaction between Fedora and Zikula folks is beginning to snowball (http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-December/000302.html)... I'd like to see if we can get packagers + upstream on IRC at the same time to just Work Out these licensing issues at one go, because asynch communication is Very Slow. After those blockers are out, I *think* we'll be go for puppetizing. Project 2: Limesurvey This is for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research#Infrastructure, and seems like it should be relatively straightforward (but then again, that's what I thought for zikula...) Robyn Bergeron and Ryan Rix are driving this from the Marketing side of things, but I'm temporarily stepping in for Ryan since he's afk for exams this week. As far as I know, there's only one package involved in this (limesurvey) which is still under review (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508817). It *sounds* from the comments like it should be done and ready for approval, but a reviewer (*coughIancough* is needed). In the meantime, I tried installing the latest SRPM from Eric (Sparks) on pt6, and failboated, details here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_limesurvey_sandbox#Install_the_package. Once the package is approved and installed on pt6, I *think* that's all we'll need (we might want to change the logo, but that's trivial and I really can't think of anything else atm). In the meantime-meantime, because we need to get the FUDCon survey up yesterday, we're giving limeservice $10 to host a 250-response survey for us so we can start administering that survey tomorrow. That means we'll have a db ready to migrate whenever our limesurvey instance goes up, plus people with familiarity administering limesurvey software via the web interface (some of us, myself included, have used it before and know the rudiments). Questions? Comments? Am I missing something? (Is this helpful?) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: FUDCon Survey Update
Update: 2) Robyn to sync up with Mel on login / password information - we will be doing a one-time hosted survey on limesurvey's website (cost $10) All set, we've got http://fedoraproject.limequery.org/ and Robyn has the admin details (I believe - will doublecheck tonight or tomorrow morning or whenever we're both awake and online again). Cost for 250 additional responses (total now 275) was actually $22, but that's okay. As a side effect, we now have a budget-tracking page (this may be our only F13 receipt, though): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_budget_F13 Remaining: 1) Robyn to get final question list out this afternoon. 3) Robyn to get questions posted to survey this evening 4) Robyn / Mel to do quick eyeball of survey in the morning to make sure it is kosher 5) Robyn or Mel to do email blast announcing survey tomorrow. Per stickster: ideal mailing lists arestickster mchua: rbergeron: FUDCon survey publicity -- I would hit up: fedora-devel-announce, fedora-announce-list, fedora-advisory-board, fudcon-planning 6) Survey to run 12/16/09 - 1/8/10 - with an email reminder on 1/4/10. -Robyn -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Zikula Weekly Meeting
The following people need to be at the meeting: David (ke4qqq) Eric (Sparks) Mel (mchua) available except for Mon 15:00-16:00 UTC and Tue 20:00-21:00 UTC Simon (itbegins) Anyone else? If those NEED people could send me their available times I'll put together a time to meet. Also, we could use some additional packagers. If you would like to help us out, please let me know that as well and I'll include your schedule in my consideration. If you'd like to help, don't know how to package, but want to learn, there are a bunch of us in the same or close-to-the-same situation (me, Karsten, Matthew Daniels, Aaron Clark, etc...) trying to get a Learn To Package! week together - join us on the Classroom (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/classroom, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom) mailing list if you're interested, I'm going to start a thread there now. It might not help us out tremendously *right now*, to be completely honest - but we *will* need to fine-tune, tweak, revise, and launch v.2.0 of all these sites at *some* point in the future, and capacity-building for that day is a Very Good Idea. (If you *can* package and want to teach others how to package so we can tackle this stuff so you don't have to, please please please *please* let us know.) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Zikula Weekly Meeting
If you'd like to help, don't know how to package, but want to learn, there are a bunch of us in the same or close-to-the-same situation (me, Karsten, Matthew Daniels, Aaron Clark, etc...) trying to get a Learn To Package! week together - join us on the Classroom (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/classroom, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom) mailing list if you're interested, I'm going to start a thread there now. Add me to this list as well, I am also a part of the I want to learn to be packager, somebody please help me Group. A classroom for it would just be great. I was hoping someone would have helped me when FOSS.in took place, but well no one had the time. Yeah, this seems to be a common thread... Let's fix it. Join the Classroom thread on http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/classroom/2009-December/000103.html and we'll get more packaging firepower for Marketing, Docs, and whoever else wants to learn it. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Meeting minutes 2009-12-15
Oh! I totally forgot to send these out earlier this afternoon. Added to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-15/fedora-meeting.2009-12-15-20.03.html Action-packed meeting, notes well worth reading - our velocity this week is VERY HIGH (as you may have seen from list traffic today. ;) Meeting summary --- * agenda (mchua, 20:05:08) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Agenda (mchua, 20:05:08) * wiki cleanup (mchua, 20:06:07) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing (rbergeron, 20:06:47) * trac! (rbergeron, 20:10:37) * ACTION: triage party post marketing-meeting to clean up old trac stuff / roll over what is continuing (rbergeron, 20:15:27) * status check - marketing projects infrastructure (rbergeron, 20:16:26) * ACTION: mchua convene Unblock The Zikula Packages meeting (mchua, 20:17:57) * ACTION: mchua start the let's queue up FI material party across the various teams involved (mchua, 20:19:19) * status - fedora-tour / infrastructure stuff (rbergeron, 20:20:45) * status limesurvey / infrastructure status (rbergeron, 20:22:29) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508817 (mchua, 20:22:42) * ACTION: mchua to announce to marketing-list when limesurvey is up on pt6 (mchua, 20:24:07) * AGREED: limesurvey hosting for $10 for 250 responses for the FUDCon survey while we get our own infra up (mchua, 20:29:23) * ACTION: mchua get limesurvey fedora domain stuff up with extra 250 responses paid for (mchua, 20:30:49) * ACTION: mchua ask stickster what channels to publicize FUDCon survey on (mchua, 20:31:39) * ACTION: rbergero to get survey questions out this afternoon for quick review (rbergeron, 20:37:30) * ACTION: mchua to figure out how to hook rbergero up with access to fedora.limesurvey.net or whatever the subdomain is so that rbergero can post questions (rbergeron, 20:38:05) * ACTION: survey to go live / info out on mailing lists (rbergeron, 20:38:33) * ACTION: ^^^ 12/16/09 noonish! (rbergeron, 20:38:52) * ACTION: survey out dec. 16; reminder mail jan. 4; close jan. 8 (rbergeron, 20:46:40) * open floor (rbergeron, 20:47:59) * LINK: http://twitter.com/quaid/status/6457010955 (quaid, 20:55:45) * SOPs (mchua, 20:56:11) * #open floor (mchua, 20:56:37) * SOPs (mchua, 20:58:05) * our SOPs are now easy to make! (mchua, 20:58:05) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Marketing_SOPs has a list of current SOPs as well as a SOP on how to make SOPs. (mchua, 20:58:05) * LINK: http://blog.melchua.com/2009/12/15/please-steal-this-sop/ has the longer narrative (mchua, 20:58:08) * logo! (mchua, 20:58:14) * we have shiny flair, thanks to tatica for making us a logo! Check it out on our wiki page... (mchua, 20:58:14) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing (mchua, 20:58:17) * the svg source is available, it's linked to from the image directly (mchua, 20:58:20) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.png (mchua, 20:58:23) * open floor (mchua, 20:58:27) * LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/policycoreutils-2.0.78-3.fc12 (wwoods, 20:59:56) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F13_Brainstorm items next week, which sounds like a good plan; between now and then, we have a FUDCon survey to get out, and more infrastructure to put up (mchua, 21:00:56) * LINK: http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/s-c-selinux.png (wwoods, 21:01:09) * LINK: http://fpaste.org/6ZUe/ (hiemanshu, 21:01:40) * ACTION: next week: go through brainstorm items, try to get some estimates on time / resources needed / etc. (rbergeron, 21:01:52) * ACTION: chew on this: quaid I can see two things - i) many features and sub-projects could use a (rbergeron, 21:02:46) * ACTION: I can see two things - i) many features and sub-projects could use a from research to PR for their work, and ii) we can start doing this with Desktop right away to define something repeatable (hiemanshu, 21:03:08) * ACTION: mchua publish meeting-with-Desktop notes (mchua, 21:03:16) * infrastructure update - fedora-tour (rbergeron, 21:07:26) Meeting ended at 21:15:52 UTC. Action Items * triage party post marketing-meeting to clean up old trac stuff / roll over what is continuing * mchua convene Unblock The Zikula Packages meeting * mchua start the let's queue up FI material party across the various teams involved * mchua to announce to marketing-list when limesurvey is up on pt6 * mchua get limesurvey fedora domain stuff up with extra 250 responses paid for * mchua ask stickster what channels to publicize FUDCon survey on * rbergero to get survey questions out this afternoon for quick review * mchua to figure out how to hook rbergero up
Re: Meeting minutes 2009-12-15
On 12/16/2009 12:56 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: Man! I -totally- forgot about the Trac Triage Party post-meeting. Maybe we can do it post-meeting next week - today was spent getting the FUDCon survey stuff going. Edited https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Agenda to reflect this and the topics we agreed on at the meeting, more eloquent rephrasings very very welcome. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Updated Fedora 13 Marketing Schedule
On 12/13/2009 11:13 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: I was thinking I may, instead of doing the sprint on the marketing wiki during the next mktg meeting, just do it today - I've written up everything that needs to be moved / refreshed (for a how-to) but...there really isn't a whole heck of a lot. Anyway, that would free us up tuesday to do the more detailed scheduling and / or cleaning up trac / filing new tickets. Does this seem reasonable, or do you need more time to work on how-tos? We can probably also use the time to go through the gravy / nice to have list and guesstimate some some time / resources needed for those tasks, for when new folks are looking for something to work on. :) Nah, I should be working on HOWTOs outside of meeting bandwidth anyway - but maybe we can use Tuesday's sprint time to do the final push for deployment of the FUDCon survey, which really should have been deployed today (memories are probably starting to fade at this point, today marks the 1-week-since-FUDCon-ended date). I think it's one of those wow, surveys take a long time to get out the first time we're putting out a survey things, and the how-to-design-a-survey process and the do we have tools to deploy it? process will be vastly improved next time (say, for F13). --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting
Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. See you folks there! --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Marketing FAD 2010 - First Brainstorm
I would be interested but is there a point in adding myself? I didn't see anyone outside US. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Attendees Henrik is in Germany, everyone else is spread as far apart across the USA as you can go (Poelstra and I are about 3,000 miles apart), and we will definitely be having a remote participation component for Pascal. Go for it! --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Updated Fedora 13 Marketing Schedule
On 12/11/2009 01:17 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: Did we previously have in-depth features on here? Yep! And we still do, they're just called Feature Profiles (item 6) here. John was asking if we could add more timeline/detail to each of our 5 deliverables, so that means the next time I sit down to work on Marketing, I'll probably be cranking through the HOWTO drafts for each deliverable so we can figure out what other dates (if any) we need to set. --Mel http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13-draft/f-13-marketing-tasks.html -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Post FUDCon Survey
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Mel Chuam...@redhat.com wrote: about it... perhaps we go with the temp solution now, and simultaneously schedule a get limesurvey up hackfest at some point? On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Robyn Bergeronrobyn.berge...@gmail.com wrote: If someone is interested in getting the infrastructure up internally while you guys are at FUDCon (btw, my status is I fail, I haven't even filed tickets yet... sorry!) I can get the questions up this weekend on it. Alternately, if that's not possible, I can do the temporary, JUST TEMPORARY, fix of doing it on limeservice. Yaakov, can you send the questions you were interested in asking to the list? I'll add them to the other list of questions (they will resemble what is in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Surveys/FUDConF9 ... with obvious changes about dates/places, etc), post the full final question list to the mailing list for general approval, and get them up. Let me know what you guys think. Sorry I'm not there :) -Robyn On 12/04/2009 04:36 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: And a heads up - Limeservice allows 25 free respondents, after that there is a fee ($10 for 100, $22 for 250, etc.) I'm assuming we would have more than 25, but if there is more than 100 (or I guess, 125) then let me know, if that is the route we want to go down -temporarily- :) -Robyn Wrapping up this email thread - I think Ryan was going to get us limesurvey up on infra soon, but I'm not sure if this is coming in time to use it for the FUDCon survey. Ryan, any thoughts? Should Robyn be getting up a temporary fix for just this one survey? --Mel PS: There's a high probability that someone will reply and tell me oh, we figured this out in #fedora-mktg days ago, we're all set. ;) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Marketing FAD 2010 - First Brainstorm
It looks like we're already starting to build up a roster on the wiki page. Right now it's only 4, though. When the wiki comes back up, I'll add myself. I was thinking about adding myself but was worried about swelling the ranks and budget. If I came I'd keep my FPL hat on for purposes of doing Great Karnac impressions, but would mostly be there in the same Get Stuff Done mode as everyone else. I'd say we should get a good a gauge of interest as we can, and if we have more people than we can take, that's a *great* problem, and we can split into subsprints, or have a virtual component for folks who can't make it there in person, etc. So yeah, sign up, sign up! --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: our meeting today
Our meeting today: F13 planning. Let's take all the ideas from: * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F13_Brainstorm (and these too) * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Fedora_12_release_deliverables * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_brain_dump * https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/query ...and figure out our deliverables and schedule, and where our individual plans for the release cycle intersect, and how we're going to coordinate our work. I sat down with John Poelstra yesterday and we came up with what we think - and hope - is a drastically simplified way of thinking about the schedule that we'd like to run by folks. I'm on a bus from Toronto to Boston and will get online and update wiki pages and the like as soon as we cross the border and my mobile broadband doesn't cost ridiculous amounts per MB, but wanted to give y'all a heads-up now. See you online this afternoon! --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Meeting minutes 2009-12-08
F13 planning - we know our release deliverables for the F13 cycle and what we're going to do between now and Alpha to get up the tools we need to make those things more easily. Sweet! Signing off from the FUDBus, --Mel 20:57:14 zodbot Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-08/fedora-meeting.2009-12-08-20.04.html 20:57:15 zodbot Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-08/fedora-meeting.2009-12-08-20.04.txt 20:57:17 PhrkOnLsh .0025 20:57:18 zodbot Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-08/fedora-meeting.2009-12-08-20.04.log.html -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting
Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. See you folks there! --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Zikula hackfest details
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula_hackfest If you're joining us online, look in #fedora-mktg for pcalarco (Pascal), itbegins (Simon) or mchua (myself) and we'll get you started. If you're joining us in person, head to room 4 in the SEQ building - we'll be there all day. Today's goal: get Fedora Insight up on staging and migrate FWN's workflow to it. Hoo-yah! --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Simon's FUDCon zikula session notes
Simon Birtwistle's talk, just completed, on zikula - a CMS that's going to be used by Docs and Marketing and News (in various ways for each). It was awesomeness, and the crowd was fun. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fudcon-room-2/2009-12-05/fudcon-room-2.2009-12-05-19.04.html Max and I had this transcribing-tag-team-thing going on here, so the full logs are pretty complete (WOO! LOGS!) - we ended with a game plan for the hackfest on Sunday and Monday, which I'll post shortly. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Zikula hackfest gameplan
Our gameplan for the next two days: everything is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula_hackfest. Please ask questions, point out holes, etc. - we literally *just* came up with this. This is also where you can sign up to help. (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula_hackfest#Who.27s_coming) I think that Sparks and ke4qqq were planning on spending some time with us, which would be *awesome* - and that mmcgrath will be dropping by at the end of both days to check in - but I'm not sure what people's plans actually are, so I just took a guess for me/Simon/Pascal to start. (Simon, Pascal, feel free to edit this to something more correct and/or preferential) I defaulted to #fedora-mktg as our IRC channel for the day, because I know we're going to have remote participants, but would be glad to move it to a more neutral place if there's a better location for this (if #fedora-logistics were populated, I'd do it there). Comments? Thoughts? Halp? Yay! We'll keep you updated. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Zikula hackfest gameplan
Our gameplan for the next two days: everything is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula_hackfest. And I've blogged it here: http://blog.melchua.com/2009/12/05/fudcon-zikula-hackfest-the-gameplan/ Hope to see folks online or in person tomorrow! More hackfestin' details coming when we have them. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [in the news] Fedora 12: a conversation with Paul Frields
On 11/25/2009 04:52 PM, inode0 wrote: On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Kara Schiltzkschi...@redhat.com wrote: LWN 11.24.09 Fedora 12: a conversation with Paul Frields By Rebecca Sobol Last week, just before the final release of Fedora 12 was announced http://lwn.net/Articles/362287/, I had the opportunity to speak with Fedora Project Leader Paul Frields. The following article is based on that conversation. Full article: http://lwn.net/Articles/361995/ For those of you without a LWN subscription, this article (an interview with Paul on F12) became freely available today. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Marketing responses to the user research plan
Thanks to Tatica for an awesome user research interview! (It was *so* much fun.) The super-short summary is on the table: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Research_Plan#Stakeholders The longer summary is on the wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Research_Plan#Marketing And the raw log is at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2009-11-29/fedora-design.2009-11-29-21.55.log.html. I've also linked it from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009. Chime in on the notes if you have anything else to add - I'd love for our stakeholder interview notes to represent as many of our voices as possible. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Post FUDCon Survey
On 12/02/2009 03:25 AM, loupgaroubl...@gmail.com wrote: Hey List, Has there been some thought given to doing a post FUDCon survey like we've done in the past? I asked Mel about this, but she wasn't sure what the status of implementing some survey software was. If possible, i would like to be able to run a small survey (5 questions) about Fedora Live after FUDCon so we can see where it was most effective and where it fell flat. Cheers, Yaakov So, I found https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Archive:Marketing_surveys and noted that we've used email and keysurvey in the past, neither of which sound like actual good long-term solutions to me. I think Robyn was working on getting limesurvey up into our infrastructure, not sure what the status on that is or what remaining work needs to be done before limesurvey hits production. One temporary solution (just for the FUDCon survey) before that goes into production would be http://www.limeservice.com, which is a free hosted limesurvey service (well, the free part comes with usage limitations, but I think it might work as a temporary fix). I hesitate a little at temporary fixes because they have a way of becoming permanent, but if we're vigilant about it... perhaps we go with the temp solution now, and simultaneously schedule a get limesurvey up hackfest at some point? Any other thoughts? --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: F13 goals and marketing objectives...
On 12/02/2009 09:44 AM, María Leandro wrote: Yes! and also a small link on get.fedora that could say: Still don't know which Fedora download? Take this test and figured out! Added to brainstorm list, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F13_Brainstorm#Spin_chooser. Now we just need to find someone interested in picking up on this. ;) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Post FUDCon Survey
about it... perhaps we go with the temp solution now, and simultaneously schedule a get limesurvey up hackfest at some point? FUDCon comes with hackfests. No? Got time to run one? ;) Most of my energies on Sunday and Monday are going to be going towards getting Fedora Insight launched at the Zikula hackfest (WE WILL NEED HELP. COME HELP US!), so I can't chip in then... --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora twitter account
Obviously I don't just want to paste this login info to the wiki, but if someone has suggestions for how to handle it, I'm all ears. So we haven't actually used our FAS group membership for anything useful yet, but it could hypothetically do access control for a document with the login information for these kinds of social networking sites. ...yes, that made the (not particularly knowledgeable, either) security part of my brain twitch. But I imagine it's a thought that others might be able to improve on. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: F13 goals and marketing objectives...
Are there specific overall goals for F13 posted / written down / being discussed? Or is this something being discussed at fudcon? Wow. Thanks for asking this, Robyn - I forwarded it to the http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board because I think that's where the best discussions/answers are likely to come out. Thread is here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-December/msg6.html --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: F13 goals and marketing objectives...
Throwing some ideas for measurable-ish goals out there: Ported to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F13_Brainstorm#Potential_goals as well. Ryan, thanks for aggregating and posting the notes! (And also inadvertently reminding me I didn't send out meeting minutes, which I'll do momentarily... I wonder what this email is going to remind somebody of?) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Meeting minutes 2009-12-01
Posted on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009. Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-01/fedora-meeting.2009-12-01-20.02.html Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-01/fedora-meeting.2009-12-01-20.02.log.html --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting
Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. See you folks there! --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: A report on Fedora 12
Is someone interested in writing just a brief overview and some mayor points. Do you have something prewritten I can modify. Some useful resources: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Talking_Points http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-November/msg6.html We try to list them at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Fedora_12_release_deliverables also. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12
Oh wow, I'm really glad I did this then - I think casual videos like this can be a really cool way for each of us to show off what we know, because I think everybody approaches Fedora a bit differently and discovers different things so we can learn a lot from each other. Sweet! :) MEME TIME! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting (I use Istanbul) Here is the raw English transcript to translate: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/blog/video/5funthingsf12/5funthingsinf12-transcript.txt So, ah... 0. It was great to see the one-page release notes get localized, and I've heard some requests to try to get the Marketing stuff more i18n'd 1. I'm trying to learn Spanish (and Chinese, for that matter, though it's harder for me to translate things into Chinese). 2. I figure this is as good a way as any to learn how to work with our translation workflow. So, with a lot of help from Google Translate, I took 15 minutes and have... http://mchua.fedorapeople.org/translations/es/5funthingsinf12-transcript-es.txt What should I do next? (Other than get someone to proofread/fix my Spanish.) Thanks for the transcript, Mo - as someone who needs them, I really appreciate subtitles/captions/transcripts. I reckon I should look into getting http://www.jubler.org/ and http://trans.sourceforge.net/en/presentation.php packaged sometime and going on a feedback/bug-reporting spree for both + similar projects. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Twitter account
On 11/29/2009 10:34 AM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: Hi Paul, I'd like to ensure that the Fedora Marketing team has access to that Twitter account. Also I'd like to make sure that we don't have a single point of responsibility/failure for it if it represents the Project. Can you email the login details to me so I can coordinate the access among multiple people? In this context, let me mention that I have shared planetfedora twitter/identica access with tatica to ensure there is no single point of failure. Here's what I think needs to be done: 1. Each social networking account gets an email alias 2. That email alias forwards to one (or more) maintainers 3. Email alias + maintainers list is posted publicly somewhere At least that seems the simplest way to me. Kam already started the process for fedora_project twitter, https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1839. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fascinating reading: KDE brand repositioning
Interesting reading from just a few days ago: the KDE folks have just been through a large rebranding project. (KDE SIG folks, do please chime in if you know about this!) http://news.kde.org/2009/11/24/repositioning-kde-brand Fascinating reading, including the supplementary more information links (http://community.kde.org/Promo/Branding/Rebranding_KDE_v1.1.0 and http://community.kde.org/Promo/Branding/Map). If someone's interested, this might be something to ask the KDE Marketing folks about, and thinking about how their experiences with this process might be applicable to the various ideas we've been considering for this release cycle (and beyond). --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Thinking out loud about a Fedora Handbook
On 11/25/2009 11:34 PM, sankarshan wrote: A while back I had stolen some neurons from Rahul and Susmit while scribblinghttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sankarshan/FedoraHandbook. The page has a bit of detail but it is somewhat nebulous and tentative. Having a handbook that is project focused would be a good addition to release-centric flyers. Would anyone like to take a look at this and, figure out how to move forward with the content ? The original idea I had was to re-use existing content so as to not burden everyone with writing fresh snappy lines. Thinking out loud a little bit... I think this would be a great project to take on for F13. It's also, like every other project in Fedora, dependent on people here being excited about working on it (and able to do so) - although the timing seems right, with the a lot of the base material (the Four Foundations [0], etc) already existing somewhere on the wiki, and with momentum in this general area going strong with conversations about what is Fedora? happening at f-a-b, the website redesign and user research underway, marketing research starting, and the like. Since it's not release-specific it's something we could work on early in the release cycle, even pre-Alpha. And it's something we could do as a series of joint Ambassadors/Marketing sprints, since they'll be the ones using this handbook at events, and we're looking for ways to get the two teams working more closely together (and this would be an awesome start). We could try to print the first round at the Marketing FAD [1] we'll likely be planing for sometime in the middle of this release cycle. Also, these came to mind as potential sources of inspiration: * http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Sharing_Creative_Works * http://wiki.creativecommons.org/images/6/65/Creativecommons-encouraging-the-ecology-of-creativity_eng.pdf These are just my late-night ramblings, so I'd love to hear what others think about the concept. Is anyone interested in driving this project, or do you know someone who might be? This would make a great project for someone interested in (or interested in learning about) print media, perhaps some of the folks who were keen on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine. --Mel [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora twitter account
On 11/28/2009 11:01 PM, John Poelstra wrote: Mel Chua said the following on 11/27/2009 10:19 PM Pacific Time: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SocialNetworks ( in general, if anyone is interested in working on that aspect of our marketing strategy. I removed Mugshot since it does not appear to be in operation any more. John Thanks, John! To further entice folks to pick up on our social networking strategy, here was a not-too-long-ago thread on this topic: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-November/msg00098.html Pascal offered LinkedIn and Facebook: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-November/msg00099.html Robyn asked if there was a master list, https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-November/msg00100.html - and I suppose we've just discovered that there is. :) So I added the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SocialNetworks page to the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Projects section - that way we hit it during our F13 planning discussions. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora twitter account
Just a FYI for everyone: the Fedora twitter account has passed hands from Kam Salisbury to Matías Kreder (Cc'd). Here's a look at how this happened: 1. Kam calls for a new maintainer, http://twitter.com/fedora_linux/status/6066293758 2. Matías takes over, http://twitter.com/fedora_linux/status/6081698559 3. The twit...@fedoraproject.org alias is pointed to Matías's fedoraproject email address: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1839 Having email aliases that forward to the maintainers seems like a good procedure to follow for all https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SocialNetworks ( in general, if anyone is interested in working on that aspect of our marketing strategy. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Self Introduction
My name is Matias Kreder, I've been using Fedora since Fedora Core 5, I'm an Ambassador for Buenos Aires, Argentina where I live. I'd like to join the Marketing group and also this mailing list in order to be in touch, and to receive suggestions because today Kam Salisbury sent me the account information to maintain the @fedora_linux account on twitter. If any of you have something to announce via twitter, please feel free to contact me! Welcome, Matias! I've approved your group membership in FAS - thanks for taking over our Twitter account! How can we help you out? The first thing I can think of is that news articles we find are sent to this list marked with an [in the news] tag in the subject line, so those are pretty easy to spot if you're looking for material to retweet. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Self-introduction: Ryan Rix (PhrkOnLsh)
After talking with Mel Chua and Ankur Sinha on the #Fedora-mktg channel last night, Ankur and I have decided to embark on a Marketing project[1] for either F13, or the F14 feature track. As a result, I've decided to actually join the Marketing team, so here is my formal self-introduction :) Welcome, Ryan! I've approved your FAS group membership. *What do you want to talk about? Fedora, of course! I'm a member of the KDE SIG, so that's where my expertise in the distro lies, but pretty much anything related to the project, the distro or the people is open territory :) Speaking of which, I think we could use some work on making it (even) easier for the various spins to market themselves... Chitlesh is very active at doing this for FEL, and KDE sounds like another logical group to spearhead a More Resources For Spins To Do Their Own Cool Marketing Stuff! charge if that's something the SIG might be interested in. [1]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora-tour I'm very much looking forward to hearing more about this. Please keep us updated! (Are we going to get a we've started this project! intro email soon?) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Clearing out the FAS marketing group request queue
To make it easier to welcome new folks into Marketing, I'm cleaning out all old requests from the FAS marketing group request queue, as I haven't been able to find the introduction emails that are prerequisites for FAS group membership from any of the people on that list. If you were on that list and are still interested in joining the Marketing team (which I hope you are!) instructions on how to do so are at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Joining_the_Fedora_marketing_project. Note that you need an introduction email to the Marketing mailing list before you request FAS membership. (And if you're bringing a new person into Marketing, please help them walk through the join instructions on that page.) --Mel PS: Right now, the marketing FAS group doesn't actually let you do anything, it just marks membership - but that (along with the Join process) is something we might want to discuss as a group during our F13 strategic planning meeting. Which, I might add, is happening in 1.5 weeks on 12/8 (usual meeting time). Some other groups have things they do to help new folks get started (the mentoring program in Ambassadors, the way Infrastructure asks people to contribute for a while before they grant group membership, etc) that we may want to adopt. That's a separate topic I'll bring up at our next meeting, though. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Introducing myself
On 11/25/2009 02:23 PM, Tareq Al Jurf wrote: Hi I'm Tareq Al Jurf. I'm from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Welcome, Tareq! I've approved your membership request in FAS. What Marketing projects are you interested in working on (or starting)? We have a few listed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Projects, along with the deliverables we do for every release (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Fedora_12_release_deliverables) we do for every release. We're also at the beginning of the F13 planning cycle right now, so this is the perfect time to come up with new ideas. As an Ambassador, you're in a particularly good position to think about the kinds of initiatives that would help Marketing support Ambassadors, too. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora Electronic Lab presentation at JM2L This friday
It is with great pleasure I'm announcing that Laurent Charpentier will held a presentation about Fedora Electronic Lab this Friday at 16:00 in Sophia-Antipolis. http://jm2l.linux-azur.org/Fedora-Electronic-Lab About FEL : http://spins.fedoraproject.org/fel/ Thanks for keeping us informed! Chitlesh, you seem to be doing an excellent job of marketing for your spin - do you think the kinds of things you're doing are skills that other spins (and possibly remix?) maintainers would be interested in learning? PS: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events needs some cleanup. Yep - that's an Ambassadors page, so I might ping that list with a if you're looking for a quick way to volunteer... note. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [in the news] Fedora 12: a conversation with Paul Frields
Full article: http://lwn.net/Articles/361995/ I don't suppose there are any unused LWN subscriptions? I don't know, but the site notes that this item will become freely available on December 3, 2009, so I've put a note on my calendar to re-ping this list about the article then. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: example content
Because it's brainstorm time and I'm procrastinating on FUDCon accounting... ;) * FWN podcast, http://www.braincache.de/wp/2009/11/15/fwn-fedora-weekly-news-201. * the http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-music-list might have more suggestions / be able to come up with something audio-related * SVG versions of the one-page release notes are at http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/release%20notes/f12/ and might make a nice hey, try Inkscape prompter. * GIMP-transformed images of Fedora contributors alongside their originals and some how we did this notes - see the Do It With Fedora! section in the middle of http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/woot/page1.png for inspiration * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics in spreadsheet format adding up total downloads * a screencast on how to use http://fedoraproject.org/join-fedora to go from I'm interested! to I have a FAS account and am posting an intro on a mailing list? or I'm on IRC! or something of the sort. --Mel PS: These are also the kinds of things the Marketing team can make on request - just ask at https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/newticket. ;) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Meeting minutes 11/20/2009
On 11/24/2009 03:26 PM, Athanasios E. Samaras wrote: Hello team, here are the logs on the latest Marketing sprint on a new idea to create a wiki about Fedora's success stories. And failures that we've learned from and turned into successes. :) Thanks to Sakis for running today's sprint - I cleaned up and categorized the story list we came up with, it's here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_stories Also under https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Projects. Sakis, what's the next step for moving forward with this? --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
User research stakeholder interviews
Tatica is going to be doing the Marketing interview for the User Research project (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Research_Plan) sometime tomorrow morning; we'll be finding each other on IRC sometime between 1300 and 1600 UTC (...I know that's kind of nonspecific) and I'll shout to the list again right before we start in case we can get any more participants. If you'd specifically like us to ping you or wait for you, drop a line here (it's totally no trouble, and I for one would love to have more folks there - remember, F12 was my first release cycle, so I would *particularly* love to hear from folks who've been around longer and have a broader sense of history). For information on the kind of thing we're doing, see the examples of other teams' interviews at http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/fedora-interaction-design-hackfest-summary/. These are the questions we'll be asked to answer from a Marketing team perspective, if anyone has thoughts to chime in between now and FUDCon. # How well do you think Fedora accomplishes its stated goals in light of your role in the project? # How is Fedora not meeting those goals? # What questions do you have about Fedora's target audience that you'd like to see answers so that your team can help get Fedora closer to its goals? --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fwd: example content
Hey, Marketing team! The Desktop folks are looking for example content created by - and viewable in - open source software that ships with Fedora, to use as examples for users of the desktop spin in f13 (yep, looking forward to that already). Anything you'd suggest to showcase? Send ideas to fedora-devel-l...@redhat.com, https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list. The thread so far is archived here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-November/msg01706.html --Mel Original Message Subject: example content Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:15:11 -0500 From: Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com Reply-To: Development discussions related to Fedora fedora-devel-l...@redhat.com Organization: Red Hat, Inc To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core fedora-devel-l...@redhat.com,Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop fedora-desktop-l...@redhat.com Hey, one change we are planning to make to the desktop spin in F13 is to go from targeting a cd to targeting a 1g usb stick. That will give us enough breathing room to include not only OpenOffice, but also some example content on the spin. We've wanted to do that for a long time, but the cd size restriction have prohibited that. The example content is meant to serve several purposes: - Be informative and/or pleasant - Allow users to try the included apps - Showcase content that has been produced with open source apps - Make the desktop spin more useful, e.g. to ambassadors Examples that might fit some of these categories are: - Suitably licensed music or movie trailers (big buck bunny has been mentioned already) - Spreadsheets or documents that contain interesting facts about Fedora or open source - the 1-page release notes pdf that was debuted for F12 The purpose of this mail is to solicit proposals for content that might fit into these categories. Please send your proposals to fedora-desktop-list or just reply. Thanks! Matthias -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-l...@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: in the news Fedora 12 on printed newpapers at Nicaragua
On 11/22/2009 05:27 PM, Neville A. Cross wrote: Hello, I am submitting this mail to fedora marketing list with the subject as adviced by Athanasios. Thanks, Neville - and also to Sakis (Athanasios) for suggesting the forward! As a side note, how can we better keep track of international press like this? I think we need to figure out how to get a better Marketing -- Ambassadors link going for F13. ;) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Introduction
On 11/23/2009 02:02 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 03:14:13AM -0600, Gregory Sieranski wrote: Hi guys, I just wanted to introduce myself. I am a Programmer Analyst who works for a large fortune 500 company. I have been using Fedora for over 3 years and would love to give back in any way that I can. I absolutely love what Fedora and open source does and believe in both 100%. I am skilled in Java, J2EE, C, C++, Python, HTML, CSS and a bunch of other technologies. I am an avid programming language enthusiast and am working toward getting my Masters in Computer Science. I would love to contribute to the website project in any way that I can. I deal with website technology on a daily basis and feel that I would be able to provide a lot of help to the fedora website team. No task is to small. If you guys just need someone to enter text or change a CSS style I am willing to do it. Thank you for your time and I look forward to talking with all of you! Welcome! What would you be most interested in working on? If it's mostly python with a bit of html, css, and javascript thrown in the fedora I'd be happy to have you help out on some of the projects we're working on in Fedora Infrastructure. (Things like the account system, packagedb, updates tool, etc). If you're more interested in html and css, websites is the right place to start! -Toshio Gregory's already started helping us out with https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight - thanks, Gregory! --Mel -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting
Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. See you folks there! --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Introduction
I asked Gregory to join the Marketing group because he's going to be helping us out with the Fedora Insight skin, and needed access to his fedorapeople space so he can put up mockups and things if he wants, before he gets approval for sysadmin-test group, which will let him play directly on the publictest machine we're using. Welcome on board, Gregory - it's great to have you here. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Introduction
On 11/22/2009 03:35 AM, Mel Chua wrote: I asked Gregory to join the Marketing group because he's going to be helping us out with the Fedora Insight skin, and needed access to his fedorapeople space so he can put up mockups and things if he wants, before he gets approval for sysadmin-test group, which will let him play directly on the publictest machine we're using. Welcome on board, Gregory - it's great to have you here. Oh yeah, did I mention that Gregory has done some zikula stuff before (back when it was called postnuke)? ;) Our websites are *so* going to rock for F13. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Wikipedia update
On 11/17/2009 03:36 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: Does someone want to take the lead on this and update it? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_(operating_system)#Releases Took a look at this just for fun now, and from the history, looks like Zvn, GurkLurk, Pmiossec, Antonio Lopez, Chargh, (and some guy named Paul Frields, who's that? ;) took care of it. One of the editors is from Sweden, one is from France, one is from Canada, one is 14 years old, one plays the euphonium, one is a cattle farmer... Yep, I'm having a whoa, open source marketing is cool moment right now. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
