Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:39:25 -0700, stan wrote: I'm probably not the person to be defending pulse, because I leave it installed but disabled. Is there a bullet-proof way to do that? Disabling PulseAudio is a FAQ for Fedora, openSUSE, and Ubuntu, too. The suggested setting autospawn = no in /etc/pulse/client.conf plus running pulseaudio -k plus configuring audio players to use alsa drivers doesn't work for all users. Last time I tried it myself, I got socket errors and no audio. I had to run yum -y remove pulseaudio as a work-around to actually remove several deps, too. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Thursday 30 July 2009 10:20:57 Michael Schwendt wrote: On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:39:25 -0700, stan wrote: I'm probably not the person to be defending pulse, because I leave it installed but disabled. Is there a bullet-proof way to do that? Disabling PulseAudio is a FAQ for Fedora, openSUSE, and Ubuntu, too. The suggested setting autospawn = no in /etc/pulse/client.conf plus running pulseaudio -k plus configuring audio players to use alsa drivers doesn't work for all users. Last time I tried it myself, I got socket errors and no audio. I had to run yum -y remove pulseaudio as a work-around to actually remove several deps, too. How about starting pasuspender in a clever way somewhere in, say, .login? It would need some dummy never-ending process as a mandatory argument, but I'm sure that can be figured out easily. man pasuspender I mean, if you are determined to hack your system to not use pa for sound, the cleanest way would be to use the off switch provided by the pa itself, right? However, I believe you still need to manually configure audio players to use alsa drivers. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Michael Schwendt wrote: On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:39:25 -0700, stan wrote: I'm probably not the person to be defending pulse, because I leave it installed but disabled. Is there a bullet-proof way to do that? Disabling PulseAudio is a FAQ for Fedora, openSUSE, and Ubuntu, too. The suggested setting autospawn = no in /etc/pulse/client.conf plus running pulseaudio -k plus configuring audio players to use alsa drivers doesn't work for all users. Last time I tried it myself, I got socket errors and no audio. I had to run yum -y remove pulseaudio as a work-around to actually remove several deps, too. How about going to the list of programs that are started when you log in, and unchecking PA? I have not tried it, as PA works for me, but it should work. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:20:57 +0200 Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:39:25 -0700, stan wrote: I'm probably not the person to be defending pulse, because I leave it installed but disabled. Is there a bullet-proof way to do that? Disabling PulseAudio is a FAQ for Well, I *thought* there was, but yesterday I was using gnash to listen to sound samples on http://www.freesound.org and I noticed that pulseaudio was running. Looks like I will have to log in and download the samples I want to listen to. Better anyway because then there is no distortion from mp3. ;-) Fedora, openSUSE, and Ubuntu, too. The suggested setting autospawn = no in /etc/pulse/client.conf plus running pulseaudio -k plus configuring audio players to use alsa drivers doesn't work for all users. Last time I tried it myself, I got socket errors and no audio. I had to run yum -y remove pulseaudio as a work-around to actually remove several deps, too. In addition to the steps you took, it is necessary to go into the directory /etc/alsa and (re)move the file pulse-default.conf. That file sets pulse to be the default alsa audio device, thus spawning it anytime some application tries to use the alsa default device, even when the application is set to alsa. That would explain your errors if pulse isn't available. Note that it is reinstalled anytime pulse is updated. With this additional step, I find that I can use alsa for audio with pulse still installed. I don't use system sounds as I find them an annoyance rather than an aid, so pulse isn't being spawned all the time. However, I notice a trend that windowing interfaces are expecting to use pulse exclusively for any sound applications they include. System sounds, gnash, etc. are designed without alsa access as an option. So my fallback plan is to have two sound devices. Use the onboard, not so great sound device for pulse. Use my more sophisticated card strictly with alsa (leave pulse ignorant of it). When I work with sound I want exclusive sound, sound configured explicitly, and having a dedicated device allows this. My take is that pulse has its place for some people and situations, but it isn't for serious sound. There it just introduces another layer to deal with, and doesn't provide any benefit. It reminds me of an MS windows application, providing reasonable functionality without much effort, and some cool factor or whiz bang. The equivalent of desktop effects, except for sound. And there is a user base for that. I'm not sure if there aren't other ways of doing things, or if the developers just aren't creative, but linux seems to just copy MS windows in its development. Pulse seems to be a part of this trend, so I'll have to learn to live with it. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Sunday 26 July 2009 22:29:32 Bill Davidsen wrote: The scary thing is that you don't see anything wrong with this picture, seven volume control, mixers, and device selectors, and also two config files. Have you ever visited a radio station studio or a TV studio? Do you know how many mixer tables and boards are there, and how complicated they can be? I, for one, would *want* to have a volume control and mixer app for every sound card I have on the system, and in addition another set of such apps for every sound source app I use. That way, I can fine-tune all the playback/recording I might wish for. If you want simplistic setup (the one-volume-knob-for-all setup), go install Windows and click the small speaker image in its system tray --- a single slider will show up for you to turn the volume up or down. That is simplistic. Fedora (and Linux in general) is about ability to *have choice*, and that comes with the price of complexity. One could also ask the same question for the X window system --- why do we need a full-blown network-capable multi-user multi-output multi-this multi-that video server? An average user has one graphics card, one monitor, and doesn't use X over network. So one could say it would be better to have some lightweight graphics server that only does the typical stuff, while advanced users could install X optionally. But this did not and will not happen in Linux, at least not in Fedora, because Fedora users *like* to have a full-fledged complicated server as default at their disposal to tweak as they see fit. Think pulseaudio. Think X. Think sendmail. Think apache. Think selinux. Think udev, hal, pam, ssh... All these complicated servers have more simplistic alternatives, but these more simplistic ones also limit the user's ability to configure complicated setups. And having this ability is what Linux is all about. Imagine someone who has trouble setting up resolution or other parameters in X for his particular hardware. And he comes to the list and bitches that X is bullshit, way too complicated, lacks documentation, and should be installed only optionally, for users that have a need for it. Would you support him and advocate the removal of X from the default distro? I know I wouldn't. Ditto for pulseaudio. It does have a steep learning curve, but so does X if you want to mess with it. And please don't tell me that X has only one config file. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Four of six had simple output to the laptop speakers work after install, the two desktops had two channel from the sound card, no setting I've found will enable the other speakers from any source, even on hardware which had 5.1 with Windows and FC6. You may want to look at: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ#Troubleshooting I have a surround sound card, but PulseAudio uses just the front speakers! Many people have a surround card, but have speakers for just two channels, so PulseAudio can't really default to a surround setup. To enable all the channels, edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf: uncomment the default-sample-channels line (i.e. remove the semicolon from the beginning of the line) and set the value to 6 if you have a 5.1 setup, or 8 if you have 7.1 setup etc. After doing the edit, restart pulseaudio. The scary thing is that you don't see anything wrong with this picture, seven volume control, mixers, and device selectors, and also two config files. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 19:31 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: If it doesn't work out of the box there are no tools to ever make it work, which is why PA should be in the toybox, not the default. ignoring the reality that PA works for most people out of the box, I would agree with you but I can't ignore the reality. It works for me. It has worked for me on every computer I have installed Fedora on. It works for me on every computer I have installed Ubuntu on. So tools to correct the cases which don't work out of the box and can't be made to work are not needed because it works most of the time? What do we need this Linux for anyway, after all Windows works most of the time... There are tools, but they are not really dedicated Pulse Audio tools. You have to go to the Pulse Audio web side that read the documentation there. (I don't have the link handy, but I posted it in this thread already.) The one time I had problems, it was an Alsa configuration problem after an upgrade... (/etc/asound.conf problem.) There are things like the Pulse Audio volume meters that can tell you if the signal is getting to pa. The pa volume control can tell you a lot more about what is going on. For a lot more information, but harder to understand, there is the device chooser and audio manager. When you drop down to the Alsa layer, there are tools like aplay and amixer. There is also alsa-info. System-config-sound mostly works with this layer. Then there are the assorted volume controls. I use the standard Gnome volume control, and it offers different sets of mixer controls, depending on what level/card you are trying to control. Yes, it can get complicated, especially if you have several sound cards, and you want to direct different sources to different cards. But I think the flexibility is worth it. If this was optional I might agree, but the assumption that the standard sound config should use seven sound tools and two config files when the typical user has been playing one source to two speakers since 1.2.13/oss days is divorced from reality. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Craig White wrote: On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 19:34 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 19:31 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: If it doesn't work out of the box there are no tools to ever make it work, which is why PA should be in the toybox, not the default. ignoring the reality that PA works for most people out of the box, I would agree with you but I can't ignore the reality. It works for me. It has worked for me on every computer I have installed Fedora on. It works for me on every computer I have installed Ubuntu on. So tools to correct the cases which don't work out of the box and can't be made to work are not needed because it works most of the time? What do we need this Linux for anyway, after all Windows works most of the time... you make less sense every time you get deeper into this discussion. If you think Windows is less trouble, you should use Windows. I don't have a problem with that. If you think pulse audio is a problem, then don't use it. I have no problem with that. pulse audio is little more than a collection layer for audio from various sources. I am fairly convinced that most of the griping I see on this list about pulse audio has less to do with pulse audio than people having trouble getting their Intel motherboard audio to work properly. Pulseaudio just seems to be a convenient spot to focus one's blame. When sound worked with FC4 and FC6 (and in some cases FC9) and no Intel boards are involved I think you're trying hard to sweep this udner the rug. I recognize that it is frustrating to have problems, even regressions with new releases of Fedora but you have to keep in mind that the kernel, the kernel modules and of course the underlying software is still in a rapid state of change and the way to make it work for yourself and everyone else behind you is to perform diligent bug reports. I keep in mind that this has been getting worse, not better, since PA was introduced. I care not that it exists, only that it is standard rather than some collection of optional stuff people can install if they need it. If you think that I don't understand these issues, I have had bug reports about not being able to boot Optiplex 320's via grub since Fedora 7. The problem with open source, when people have no reward for giving the user what they want rather than what the developer wants and taking the attitude that it's free if you don't like it don't use it. Also the attitude that developers write code and lesser beings write documentation. PA is a solution most people don't need, in search of a problem most people don't have. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Bill Davidsen wrote: The scary thing is that you don't see anything wrong with this picture, seven volume control, mixers, and device selectors, and also two config files. I have always had more then one volume control. The fact that they control the same device is beside the point. One thing I think you are overlooking is that if you are using only sound source, you only need the Alsa mixer. You can leave the PA controls at max. When you start mixing more then one source through the same output, then you may have to adjust the input for each source. When you are outputting to more then one card, you may need to adjust the volume on each output. As far as config files, you probably have more then two. I know I have the Alsa config, the PA config, and config for various players. Then again, if you want to see complicated, look at all the config files you need for networking. Or look at all the config files for Gnome, KDE, or the collection of window managers. Even Posfix has more then one config file. What would bother me is if they tried to combine all the config files into one file. Windows uses that method, and you know what a mess the registry is. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Bill Davidsen wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Yes, it can get complicated, especially if you have several sound cards, and you want to direct different sources to different cards. But I think the flexibility is worth it. If this was optional I might agree, but the assumption that the standard sound config should use seven sound tools and two config files when the typical user has been playing one source to two speakers since 1.2.13/oss days is divorced from reality. Well, if you don't want it, you can turn it off on a per user basis by un-checking one check box, unless you set it up as system wide service, instead of hte default per user server. The thing is, the typical user wants to do a lot more then that now days. Things like a video from a web site in a web browser, an alert when they get an IM, new mail, or an incoming call. Or they may be playing an incoming audio stream. There are users who have surround sound or digital output connected. Then you have the people that that want to redirect the audio from one computer over the network to another computer. Sound usage is changing, and the software is changing to meet the new demands. All the arguments and complaints reminds me of the change to udev. I heard a lot of the same complaints. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Saturday 25 July 2009 00:31:09 Bill Davidsen wrote: PA is too damn fragile to use unless you are one of the few who has it work out of the box. It's a funny thing, but I have three very different systems where PA has worked perfectly out-of-the-box. I'm not denying that some people have problems, but going by my experience there must be many that don't. Of course you never hear from them ;-) Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 09:46 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: I have three very different systems where PA has worked perfectly out-of-the-box. Same here. I'm not denying that some people have problems, but going by my experience there must be many that don't. And again. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Saturday 25 July 2009 01:48:05 Jeff Spaleta wrote: I will say that in this case..that a fresh install would be extremely advisable. Following lots of well-meaning troubleshooting from lots of different people for days and weeks to solve the same problem ends up leaving your system in a very strange state. Precisely! I haven't checked it first-hand, but I do have a hunch that people who experience problems with sound are mainly the people who did an upgrade from F10, while previously fiddled with F10 configuration in order to get the sound working. All of my six (so far) systems using FC11 were clean installs, four from LiveCD, one from DVD, one from DVD image NFS mounted. Oh, and a test install from USB made from the snapshot DVD, on one of those machines later reinstalled. Four of six had simple output to the laptop speakers work after install, the two desktops had two channel from the sound card, no setting I've found will enable the other speakers from any source, even on hardware which had 5.1 with Windows and FC6. While people on the list may or may not know what settings you have fiddled around while troubleshooting, anaconda *definitely* cannot handle such strangely configured systems while upgrading. AFAIK, it assumes a more-or-less default F10 installation, where under-the-hood things haven't been customized beyond some sane level. So the first thing I would ask when troubleshooting F11 audio problems is did you do an upgrade from F10? and if yes, was PA working for you out-of-the- box in F10?. This is just a hunch, but I bet 90% of people with problems would fail to answer yes to the latter question. In that case, the only sane thing to assume is that their system had broken configuration to begin with, when upgrading to F11. And anaconda tries to *keep* any custom-configured things in the system (which is the whole point of upgrading), and thus create even more problems. Your point about upgrade is well taken, three of the six worked worse after upgrade from the install media to current using either yum (cli) or the update menu item. Go figure. There is a simple test to these kind of situations --- boot off a F11 Live CD, check all mixer levels, and see if sound works out-of-the-box. If it does, you've been bitten by your own previous configuration settings, and I would advise a reformat and clean install of F11. If it doesn't, *then* try to troubleshoot and whine on the list, while remembering that it is not pulseaudio that is always the culprit. I have seen more bugs boiling down to problems with alsa or userspace apps than problems with pa. The presence of pa on the system mainly just reveals bugs of other components. HTH. Best, :-) Marko -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 19:31 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: If it doesn't work out of the box there are no tools to ever make it work, which is why PA should be in the toybox, not the default. ignoring the reality that PA works for most people out of the box, I would agree with you but I can't ignore the reality. It works for me. It has worked for me on every computer I have installed Fedora on. It works for me on every computer I have installed Ubuntu on. So tools to correct the cases which don't work out of the box and can't be made to work are not needed because it works most of the time? What do we need this Linux for anyway, after all Windows works most of the time... -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Craig White wrote: Fedora was expecting to use PulseAudio but you removed that as your predicate. That puts you with a vocal minority who would rather gripe about pulse audio than make it work so it will be up to them to tell you how to solve the sound issues that you 'fixed' by removing pulseaudio package. Good, then point us to the documentation which describes how to make the alsamixer, advanced mixer, PA volume and tabs, and anything else which might clarify how to use the four or five sound apps which all interact with each other in such a way that sound works without days of fiddling which stop working at the next upgrade. PA is too damn fragile to use unless you are one of the few who has it work out of the box. I would probably start at: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/Documentation There is a nice menu on the right side that serves as a table of contents, as well as pointing to where to find information on things like userland programs. A list of tools is nice, much like giving someone a car which doesn't work and packing list for a big set of auto tools, complete with notes on what the individual tool does, and letting that someone fix the car. What is lacking is some procedure for finding the problems, diagnostics, not the tools to fix them. All I find is lists of tools, and people who say it works for them so it must be your hardware even thought it works with FC6. And people who see no problem holding the conflicting concepts that it works right off the bat and you have it set up wrong. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Bill Davidsen wrote: Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 19:31 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: If it doesn't work out of the box there are no tools to ever make it work, which is why PA should be in the toybox, not the default. ignoring the reality that PA works for most people out of the box, I would agree with you but I can't ignore the reality. It works for me. It has worked for me on every computer I have installed Fedora on. It works for me on every computer I have installed Ubuntu on. So tools to correct the cases which don't work out of the box and can't be made to work are not needed because it works most of the time? What do we need this Linux for anyway, after all Windows works most of the time... There are tools, but they are not really dedicated Pulse Audio tools. You have to go to the Pulse Audio web side that read the documentation there. (I don't have the link handy, but I posted it in this thread already.) The one time I had problems, it was an Alsa configuration problem after an upgrade... (/etc/asound.conf problem.) There are things like the Pulse Audio volume meters that can tell you if the signal is getting to pa. The pa volume control can tell you a lot more about what is going on. For a lot more information, but harder to understand, there is the device chooser and audio manager. When you drop down to the Alsa layer, there are tools like aplay and amixer. There is also alsa-info. System-config-sound mostly works with this layer. Then there are the assorted volume controls. I use the standard Gnome volume control, and it offers different sets of mixer controls, depending on what level/card you are trying to control. Yes, it can get complicated, especially if you have several sound cards, and you want to direct different sources to different cards. But I think the flexibility is worth it. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Bill Davidsen wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: I would probably start at: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/Documentation There is a nice menu on the right side that serves as a table of contents, as well as pointing to where to find information on things like userland programs. A list of tools is nice, much like giving someone a car which doesn't work and packing list for a big set of auto tools, complete with notes on what the individual tool does, and letting that someone fix the car. What is lacking is some procedure for finding the problems, diagnostics, not the tools to fix them. All I find is lists of tools, and people who say it works for them so it must be your hardware even thought it works with FC6. And people who see no problem holding the conflicting concepts that it works right off the bat and you have it set up wrong. Did you actually visit the site? It is much more then a list of tools. And the links to the tools is a like to directions on how to use them. You may find this link helpful... http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ#Troubleshooting Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Bill Davidsen wrote: Four of six had simple output to the laptop speakers work after install, the two desktops had two channel from the sound card, no setting I've found will enable the other speakers from any source, even on hardware which had 5.1 with Windows and FC6. You may want to look at: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ#Troubleshooting I have a surround sound card, but PulseAudio uses just the front speakers! Many people have a surround card, but have speakers for just two channels, so PulseAudio can't really default to a surround setup. To enable all the channels, edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf: uncomment the default-sample-channels line (i.e. remove the semicolon from the beginning of the line) and set the value to 6 if you have a 5.1 setup, or 8 if you have 7.1 setup etc. After doing the edit, restart pulseaudio. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Saturday 25 July 2009, Bill Davidsen wrote: Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 19:31 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: If it doesn't work out of the box there are no tools to ever make it work, which is why PA should be in the toybox, not the default. ignoring the reality that PA works for most people out of the box, I would agree with you but I can't ignore the reality. It works for me. It has worked for me on every computer I have installed Fedora on. It works for me on every computer I have installed Ubuntu on. So tools to correct the cases which don't work out of the box and can't be made to work are not needed because it works most of the time? What do we need this Linux for anyway, after all Windows works most of the time... +1000, spot on as usual Bill. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp In the future, you're going to get computers as prizes in breakfast cereals. You'll throw them out because your house will be littered with them. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 19:34 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 19:31 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: If it doesn't work out of the box there are no tools to ever make it work, which is why PA should be in the toybox, not the default. ignoring the reality that PA works for most people out of the box, I would agree with you but I can't ignore the reality. It works for me. It has worked for me on every computer I have installed Fedora on. It works for me on every computer I have installed Ubuntu on. So tools to correct the cases which don't work out of the box and can't be made to work are not needed because it works most of the time? What do we need this Linux for anyway, after all Windows works most of the time... you make less sense every time you get deeper into this discussion. If you think Windows is less trouble, you should use Windows. I don't have a problem with that. If you think pulse audio is a problem, then don't use it. I have no problem with that. pulse audio is little more than a collection layer for audio from various sources. I am fairly convinced that most of the griping I see on this list about pulse audio has less to do with pulse audio than people having trouble getting their Intel motherboard audio to work properly. Pulseaudio just seems to be a convenient spot to focus one's blame. I recognize that it is frustrating to have problems, even regressions with new releases of Fedora but you have to keep in mind that the kernel, the kernel modules and of course the underlying software is still in a rapid state of change and the way to make it work for yourself and everyone else behind you is to perform diligent bug reports. If you think that I don't understand these issues, I have had bug reports about not being able to boot Optiplex 320's via grub since Fedora 7. Griping on this list is for losers. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
From: craigwh...@azapple.com To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:48:37 -0700 Subject: Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ? On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 19:34 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 19:31 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: If it doesn't work out of the box there are no tools to ever make it work, which is why PA should be in the toybox, not the default. ignoring the reality that PA works for most people out of the box, I would agree with you but I can't ignore the reality. It works for me. It has worked for me on every computer I have installed Fedora on. It works for me on every computer I have installed Ubuntu on. So tools to correct the cases which don't work out of the box and can't be made to work are not needed because it works most of the time? What do we need this Linux for anyway, after all Windows works most of the time... you make less sense every time you get deeper into this discussion. If you think Windows is less trouble, you should use Windows. I don't have a problem with that. If you think pulse audio is a problem, then don't use it. I have no problem with that. pulse audio is little more than a collection layer for audio from various sources. I am fairly convinced that most of the griping I see on this list about pulse audio has less to do with pulse audio than people having trouble getting their Intel motherboard audio to work properly. Pulseaudio just seems to be a convenient spot to focus one's blame. Well, not entirely true. I had to stop pulseaudio because it was slowing down my machine quiet a lot. Top showed it was using between 20 and 38% of cpu bandwidth. Believe it or not, even after the audio track stopped playing!! I DO NOT need a CPU killer audio deamon, thank you. I recognize that it is frustrating to have problems, even regressions with new releases of Fedora but you have to keep in mind that the kernel, the kernel modules and of course the underlying software is still in a rapid state of change and the way to make it work for yourself and everyone else behind you is to perform diligent bug reports. If you think that I don't understand these issues, I have had bug reports about not being able to boot Optiplex 320's via grub since Fedora 7. Griping on this list is for losers. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines _ Windows Live™ SkyDrive™: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:56:59 -0700 Markus Kesaromous remotes...@live.com wrote: On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 19:34 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: Craig White wrote: pulse audio is little more than a collection layer for audio from various sources. I am fairly convinced that most of the griping I see on this list about pulse audio has less to do with pulse audio than people having trouble getting their Intel motherboard audio to work properly. Pulseaudio just seems to be a convenient spot to focus one's blame. Well, not entirely true. I had to stop pulseaudio because it was slowing down my machine quiet a lot. Top showed it was using between 20 and 38% of cpu bandwidth. Believe it or not, even after the audio track stopped playing!! I DO NOT need a CPU killer audio deamon, thank you. I'm probably not the person to be defending pulse, because I leave it installed but disabled. However, a sound server like pulse will *always* have the potential to use a lot of cpu because it has to ensure that all sounds it mixes match the frame rate of the device at the rate for which it has opened it. This can require on-the-fly rate conversion, which, while getting faster, is still compute intensive if done to any quality level. If the sound server is at 44100 Hz (CD quality) and you are playing 48000 Hz (movie) sound, this is going to require conversion. So, if you don't want pulse to use a lot of cpu, make sure you only play sounds at the frame rate of the sound server. :-^ I can't explain the fact it did this after the track stopped though. Did you check after a few seconds of stoppage. It should have cleaned up at that point and gone back to sleep. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Linuxguy123 wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 17:21 -0500, Jud Craft wrote: You could try yum reinstalling PulseAudio. If you had tried a fresh install of F11 on a small side partition, you could figure out whether F11 sound is the problem or my upgrade was the problem, since Fedora upgrades seem to have bugs of their own quite often, and the Linux sound infrastructure did go through changes between F10 and F11; wouldn't surprise me to hear that a plain upgrade wouldn't work right. I'd try reinstalling PulseAudio. I've already tried that. It doesn't work. Then I'd try a clean install of Fedora. Don't ever suggest that re installing an operating system is the solution to a problem. It isn't. It would take me several days to re-install. Re installing is a stab in the dark at best. Clue - boot from a Live-CD and see if sound works there, should take less than several days. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Craig White wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 12:15 -0700, Kam Leo wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Linuxguy123linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using F11 since it came out and it works great. But I haven't had any sound since I did the upgrade. Sound worked great in F10. Its getting old not having sound. How do I get it working ? What is Fedora expecting us to use and what do we need to do to get it working ? Thanks Fedora was expecting to use PulseAudio but you removed that as your predicate. That puts you with a vocal minority who would rather gripe about pulse audio than make it work so it will be up to them to tell you how to solve the sound issues that you 'fixed' by removing pulseaudio package. Good, then point us to the documentation which describes how to make the alsamixer, advanced mixer, PA volume and tabs, and anything else which might clarify how to use the four or five sound apps which all interact with each other in such a way that sound works without days of fiddling which stop working at the next upgrade. PA is too damn fragile to use unless you are one of the few who has it work out of the box. PA should have been an option for whoever has the bizarre obscure problem PA solves. And I have not been able to get any reasonable input from mic or line with PA on any of five systems, three of which work with SuSE, or Ubuntu, or Slackware (that's what the users changed to). If it doesn't work out of the box there are no tools to ever make it work, which is why PA should be in the toybox, not the default. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 19:31 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: If it doesn't work out of the box there are no tools to ever make it work, which is why PA should be in the toybox, not the default. ignoring the reality that PA works for most people out of the box, I would agree with you but I can't ignore the reality. It works for me. It has worked for me on every computer I have installed Fedora on. It works for me on every computer I have installed Ubuntu on. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Bill Davidsen wrote: Craig White wrote: Fedora was expecting to use PulseAudio but you removed that as your predicate. That puts you with a vocal minority who would rather gripe about pulse audio than make it work so it will be up to them to tell you how to solve the sound issues that you 'fixed' by removing pulseaudio package. Good, then point us to the documentation which describes how to make the alsamixer, advanced mixer, PA volume and tabs, and anything else which might clarify how to use the four or five sound apps which all interact with each other in such a way that sound works without days of fiddling which stop working at the next upgrade. PA is too damn fragile to use unless you are one of the few who has it work out of the box. I would probably start at: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/Documentation There is a nice menu on the right side that serves as a table of contents, as well as pointing to where to find information on things like userland programs. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Craig Whitecraigwh...@azapple.com wrote: ignoring the reality that PA works for most people out of the box, I would agree with you but I can't ignore the reality. It works for me. It has worked for me on every computer I have installed Fedora on. It works for me on every computer I have installed Ubuntu on. I'm in the same boat. I'd love to help people troubleshoot..but since I haven't experienced any noticeable problems on my hardware that were attributable to pulseaudio I don't have enough experience breaking and unbreaking my own system's pulseaudio configurations to intuit answers concerning other people's systems. I will say that in this case..that a fresh install would be extremely advisable. Following lots of well-meaning troubleshooting from lots of different people for days and weeks to solve the same problem ends up leaving your system in a very strange state. What people like Linuxguy123 seem to forget is that most advice from peer users on a list like this is predicated on the assumption that the system in question is close to a unperturbed configuration. Most people who are willing to help are not themselves experts in the details of the subsystem operation which is malfunctioning. The more configuration changes made, the more you undemine the validity of the underlying assumptions that people are holding in their minds concerning the system state and the more frustrating it becomes for everyone involved in diagnosing the system. I may not know how to fix every possible problem with a modern linux system..but I sure know how to cause difficult to diagnose problems by twiddling configurations without making detailed notes about what changes I've made. -jefpulseaudio support for bluetooth headset pairing is greatspaleta -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
2009/7/15 gil...@altern.org: try this killall pulseaudio rm -rf /tmp/puls* pulseaudio -D (to restart) No, it didn't change anything. Thanks for trying! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
2009/7/15 gil...@altern.org: Fedora was expecting to use PulseAudio but you removed that as your predicate. That puts you with a vocal minority who would rather gripe about pulse audio than make it work so it will be up to them to tell you how to solve the sound issues that you 'fixed' by removing pulseaudio package. I didn't remove pulseaudio: yum install pulseaudio Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit Setting up Install Process Package pulseaudio-0.9.15-14.fc11.x86_64 already installed and latest version Nothing to do Since I find my volume is too low, I tried pavucontrol as suggested. (No pamixer available from yum.) I receive: Connection failed: Connection refused try this killall pulseaudio rm -rf /tmp/puls* pulseaudio -D (to restart) I remember getting stale pulseaudio file in /tmp back in F9 days and this cured it I can see the settings for output devices are set to 100% in the interface but since the connection fails, I can't be sure the figure is correct and I can't change it. One thing is sure: it isn't possible to get as much juice from my preamp as SMplayer delivers. By default, the sound is rather weak, even with alsamixer set to max. Also, I removed Totem and installed Mplayer because I couldn't watch features at Radio-Canada with Totem. I'm not sure how this would work with Totem, but I can't set the system so that it plays the DVD just by clicking on the icon. System - Preferences - File Management - Media finds no application to play video DVDs and there is no way to enter preferred applications. For audio CDs, XMMS which, I believe is the default for the GNOME installation, is still installed and it's no application again, no way to enter any. For playing DVDs, SMPlayer does a good job so, we're not talking about a major glitch here, mainly if you put an icon for SMPlayer in the panel. But if people come from the Mac world, they'll really find it terrible if you can't start a DVD by clicking on it. I would be better if this was fixed. Even though the default volume I now have is not unbearably low, it would also be prefereable if there was a way to adjust it with pavucontrol. (Maybe this works on 32 bit systems. I have no idea.) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 15:16 +0930, Tim wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 22:36 -0400, gil...@altern.org wrote: Somebody has enough confidence in filling bugs to fill this one? I find bugzilla is a nightmare. You really need to fill in bugzilla yourself, because unless you provide them with the answer at the same time, or they're able to reproduce the problem that YOU have, the next step will probably be them asking you to do some more testing for them. I don't find filling bugzilla in to be too hard. Finding out if you're about to duplicate an already listed bug is painful, or just looking for similar bugs (the search function is a bit crap), and selecting the right package to report is painful (actually selecting it from the huge list, but not, so much, working out which one to select). bug reporting is one of the most important parts of the open source process. It is the only way for developers to find out what is necessary to change for different hardware that people use and by not reporting bugs, your only chance at getting a fix is if someone else has the same hardware and reports. So by reporting bugs and working with the developers, you not only help yourself but you also help others and help provide a better user experience for everyone. Proprietary software vendors generally do not rely on user reports and are typically unresponsive to them. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 10:04 -0400, gil...@altern.org wrote: peter wrote: What you could do is install pavucontrol. Start pavucontrol and select the Configuration tab. Try to find the correct output device. pavucontrol doesn't work in x86_64. Well, not here. Maybe somebody has a different experience? Works for me. Well, I dunno, maybe we don't have the same hardware? I have a GA-MA770T-UD3P mobo with a Realtek ALC888 audio chipset. Whether I start pavucontrol from the command line or the application menu, I get: http://cjoint.com/data/hqucXVQGHM.htm I tried booting with the CD, then, since pavucontrol isn't installed by default, I installed it. Same result. Let's see. Google ALC888 pulseaudio connection failed Results 1 - 10 of about 251, some dating from nov 2008. Google with: Realtek ALC888 pulseaudio pavucontrol connection failed +solved -not solved -haven't solved 2 Iirrelevant/I results. I could fill a bug report, though I believe I saw one when my search was less complete, kinda only 'pulseaudio connection failed' But I won't. As I already explained, first time I noticed a bug, I wasn't a Fedora user: the minimum hardware recommendation for installing Fedora was incorrect. Rahul Sundaram was kind enough to fill the bug. Rahul works for Red Hat, the bug is still there 2 months later. Many people will lose lots of time with this and it would take a few second to change. Since open source is about sharing code and SMPlayer does a very good job with Realtek ALC888, it should be an easy job, I suppose. No? Somebody has enough confidence in filling bugs to fill this one? I find bugzilla is a nightmare. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 22:36 -0400, gil...@altern.org wrote: Somebody has enough confidence in filling bugs to fill this one? I find bugzilla is a nightmare. You really need to fill in bugzilla yourself, because unless you provide them with the answer at the same time, or they're able to reproduce the problem that YOU have, the next step will probably be them asking you to do some more testing for them. I don't find filling bugzilla in to be too hard. Finding out if you're about to duplicate an already listed bug is painful, or just looking for similar bugs (the search function is a bit crap), and selecting the right package to report is painful (actually selecting it from the huge list, but not, so much, working out which one to select). -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On 07/14/2009 10:02 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 20:31 -0700, john wendel wrote: Looks like our junk is similar - Intel chip I had lots of sound problems until I moved to a 2.6.30 kernel. You'll note that all the sound modules have very different sizes from yours. And your driver version is 1.0.18a while mine is 1.0.20. I dumped pulse when I was having the sound problems, but it made no difference. I'd recommend a kernel upgrade. Exactly which kernel did you use ? Did you build it or did you get it from an unstable repository ? (a yum command here would be appreciated...) I haven't built a custom kernel since Redhat 9... Thanks I built 2.6.30.1 from kernel.org. I suspect that there are pre-built 2.6.30 kernels in rawhide or whatever, but I'd rather roll my own. Once you get a working config file, it only takes a few minutes. I started with the fedora config file (in /boot) and removed all the things I don't use, saves a few megabytes. -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 3033520 2009-06-16 20:32 vmlinuz-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 1348832 2009-07-03 18:58 vmlinuz-2.6.30.1 Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
What you could do is install pavucontrol. Start pavucontrol and select the Configuration tab. Try to find the correct output device. peter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
peter wrote: What you could do is install pavucontrol. Start pavucontrol and select the Configuration tab. Try to find the correct output device. pavucontrol doesn't work in x86_64. Well, not here. Maybe somebody has a different experience? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 01:05 -0700, Craig White wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 12:15 -0700, Kam Leo wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Linuxguy123linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using F11 since it came out and it works great. But I haven't had any sound since I did the upgrade. Sound worked great in F10. Its getting old not having sound. How do I get it working ? What is Fedora expecting us to use and what do we need to do to get it working ? Thanks Fedora was expecting to use PulseAudio but you removed that as your predicate. That puts you with a vocal minority who would rather gripe about pulse audio than make it work so it will be up to them to tell you how to solve the sound issues that you 'fixed' by removing pulseaudio package. Is this an accidental repost ? As I stated in a reply to this yesterday, this is not the case at all. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 10:04 -0400, gil...@altern.org wrote: peter wrote: What you could do is install pavucontrol. Start pavucontrol and select the Configuration tab. Try to find the correct output device. pavucontrol doesn't work in x86_64. Well, not here. Maybe somebody has a different experience? Works for me. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Hi Linuxguy123; On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 12:22 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I've been using F11 since it came out and it works great. But I haven't had any sound since I did the upgrade. Sound worked great in F10. Its getting old not having sound. How do I get it working ? $ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Tue Jun 16 23:11:39 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux $lsmod | grep snd snd_hda_codec_idt 50560 1 snd_hda_intel 23920 3 snd_hda_codec 54264 2 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel snd_hwdep 6580 1 snd_hda_codec snd_pcm62556 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec snd_timer 17896 1 snd_pcm snd49044 12 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 5404 1 snd snd_page_alloc 7572 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm $ aplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: STAC92xx Digital [STAC92xx Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 $ yum list pulseaudio\* Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, kmdl, priorities, refresh-packagekit 1 packages excluded due to repository priority protections Installed Packages pulseaudio-libs.i586 0.9.15-14.fc11 @updates pulseaudio-libs-glib2.i586 0.9.15-14.fc11 @updates $ cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.18a. yum list alsa\* Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, kmdl, priorities, refresh-packagekit 1 packages excluded due to repository priority protections Installed Packages alsa-lib.i586 1.0.20-1.fc11 installed alsa-lib-devel.i586 1.0.20-1.fc11 installed alsa-oss.i586 1.0.17-3.fc11 installed alsa-oss-devel.i586 1.0.17-3.fc11 installed alsa-oss-libs.i586 1.0.17-3.fc11 installed alsa-utils.i586 1.0.20-3.fc11 installed I've run alsamixer -c0 and all the levels are set to their maximums. I've removed pulseaudio and mplayer and removed the .mplayer folder and then reinstalled mplayer. How should I proceed from here ? I have very much the same problem. I have filed a bug regarding it. The bug is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=511178 Check /var/log/messages and see if you can find a warning or error similar to: ... pulseaudio[2182]: alsa-sink.c: Increasing minimal latency to 1.00ms pulseaudio[2182]: alsa-sink.c: Increasing minimal latency to 2.00 ms pulseaudio[2182]: alsa-sink.c: Increasing minimal latency to 4.00 ms pulseaudio[2182]: alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write! pulseaudio[2182]: alsa-sink.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_hda_intel'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers. pulseaudio[2182]: alsa-sink.c: We were woken up with POLLOUT set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail() returned 0 or another value min_avail. ... If so, it matches my bug. A bug search on Alsa, pulseaudio and alsa-lib shows many recent similar problems. I filed bug 511178 two days ago but have received no response yet. If it is appropriate (i.e. the same issue) I would appreciate your adding a comment to the bug. -- Regards Bill Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.2 Evo.2.26.2, Emacs 22.3.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 10:55 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi Linuxguy123; On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 12:22 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I've been using F11 since it came out and it works great. But I haven't had any sound since I did the upgrade. Sound worked great in F10. Its getting old not having sound. How do I get it working ? snip How should I proceed from here ? I have very much the same problem. I have filed a bug regarding it. The bug is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=511178 Check /var/log/messages and see if you can find a warning or error similar to: ... pulseaudio[2182]: alsa-sink.c: Increasing minimal latency to 1.00ms pulseaudio[2182]: alsa-sink.c: Increasing minimal latency to 2.00 ms pulseaudio[2182]: alsa-sink.c: Increasing minimal latency to 4.00 ms pulseaudio[2182]: alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write! pulseaudio[2182]: alsa-sink.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_hda_intel'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers. pulseaudio[2182]: alsa-sink.c: We were woken up with POLLOUT set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail() returned 0 or another value min_avail. ... If so, it matches my bug. A bug search on Alsa, pulseaudio and alsa-lib shows many recent similar problems. I filed bug 511178 two days ago but have received no response yet. If it is appropriate (i.e. the same issue) I would appreciate your adding a comment to the bug. I think my situation is a bit different. From /var/log/messages: Jul 15 06:38:11 localhost pulseaudio[2989]: alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write! Jul 15 06:38:11 localhost pulseaudio[2989]: alsa-sink.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_hda_intel'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers. Jul 15 06:38:11 localhost pulseaudio[2989]: alsa-sink.c: We were woken up with POLLOUT set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail() returned 0 or another value min_avail. Jul 15 06:38:14 localhost pulseaudio[2989]: reserve-wrap.c: Failed to acquire reservation lock on device 'Audio0': Input/output error Jul 15 06:38:20 localhost pulseaudio[2989]: reserve-wrap.c: Failed to acquire reservation lock on device 'Audio0': Input/output error Jul 15 06:38:20 localhost pulseaudio[2989]: alsa-source.c: ALSA woke us up to read new data from the device, but there was actually nothing to read! Jul 15 06:38:20 localhost pulseaudio[2989]: alsa-source.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_hda_intel'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers. Jul 15 06:38:20 localhost pulseaudio[2989]: alsa-source.c: We were woken up with POLLIN set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail() returned 0 or another value min_avail. Jul 15 06:38:33 localhost pulseaudio[2989]: reserve-wrap.c: Failed to acquire reservation lock on device 'Audio0': Input/output error === I am wondering if your problem wouldn't be solved by manually setting the latency times as they do in the following post: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=225660 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
I've been using F11 since it came out and it works great. But I haven't had any sound since I did the upgrade. Sound worked great in F10. Its getting old not having sound. How do I get it working ? $ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Tue Jun 16 23:11:39 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux $lsmod | grep snd snd_hda_codec_idt 50560 1 snd_hda_intel 23920 3 snd_hda_codec 54264 2 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel snd_hwdep 6580 1 snd_hda_codec snd_pcm62556 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec snd_timer 17896 1 snd_pcm snd49044 12 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 5404 1 snd snd_page_alloc 7572 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm $ aplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: STAC92xx Digital [STAC92xx Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 $ yum list pulseaudio\* Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, kmdl, priorities, refresh-packagekit 1 packages excluded due to repository priority protections Installed Packages pulseaudio-libs.i586 0.9.15-14.fc11 @updates pulseaudio-libs-glib2.i586 0.9.15-14.fc11 @updates $ cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.18a. yum list alsa\* Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, kmdl, priorities, refresh-packagekit 1 packages excluded due to repository priority protections Installed Packages alsa-lib.i586 1.0.20-1.fc11 installed alsa-lib-devel.i586 1.0.20-1.fc11 installed alsa-oss.i586 1.0.17-3.fc11 installed alsa-oss-devel.i586 1.0.17-3.fc11 installed alsa-oss-libs.i586 1.0.17-3.fc11 installed alsa-utils.i586 1.0.20-3.fc11 installed I've run alsamixer -c0 and all the levels are set to their maximums. I've removed pulseaudio and mplayer and removed the .mplayer folder and then reinstalled mplayer. How should I proceed from here ? Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Linuxguy123linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using F11 since it came out and it works great. But I haven't had any sound since I did the upgrade. Sound worked great in F10. Its getting old not having sound. How do I get it working ? [snip] I've removed pulseaudio and mplayer and removed the .mplayer folder and then reinstalled mplayer. How should I proceed from here ? Thanks Sound also failed for me when I upgraded my virtual machine from F10. It also failed on a new virtual machine install of F11. Status for sound is as follows: VM upgrade of F10 to F11: Removed PA. Unable to remove Alsa because of dependency hell. (Most everything is tied to it.) Download and installed Open Sound System driver rpm: http://www.4front-tech.com/download.cgi Got sound and a mixer but no master volume control for Gnome taskbar. VM F11 install: No sound device. PA Manager/Device Chooser and find device or defaults to null. Removed PA Enabled OSS sound support in /etc/modprobe.d/dist-oss.conf After restart: Sound card detected. Alsa mixer works. No master volume control for Gnome. I also have virtual machine instances of openSUSE 11.1 and Ubuntu 9.04 installed on the same machine. Sound works in both. As far as I am aware both distros use Pulse Audio. So, where or how did Fedora developers get off track and derail sound? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Kam Leokam@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Linuxguy123linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using F11 since it came out and it works great. But I haven't had any sound since I did the upgrade. Sound worked great in F10. Its getting old not having sound. How do I get it working ? [snip] I've removed pulseaudio and mplayer and removed the .mplayer folder and then reinstalled mplayer. How should I proceed from here ? Thanks Sound also failed for me when I upgraded my virtual machine from F10. It also failed on a new virtual machine install of F11. Status for sound is as follows: VM upgrade of F10 to F11: Removed PA. Unable to remove Alsa because of dependency hell. (Most everything is tied to it.) Download and installed Open Sound System driver rpm: http://www.4front-tech.com/download.cgi Got sound and a mixer but no master volume control for Gnome taskbar. VM F11 install: No sound device. PA Manager/Device Chooser and find device or ^ *** Gmail editor bug.***Should be can not defaults to null. Removed PA Enabled OSS sound support in /etc/modprobe.d/dist-oss.conf After restart: Sound card detected. Alsa mixer works. No master volume control for Gnome. I also have virtual machine instances of openSUSE 11.1 and Ubuntu 9.04 installed on the same machine. Sound works in both. As far as I am aware both distros use Pulse Audio. So, where or how did Fedora developers get off track and derail sound? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 12:15 -0700, Kam Leo wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Linuxguy123linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using F11 since it came out and it works great. But I haven't had any sound since I did the upgrade. Sound worked great in F10. Its getting old not having sound. How do I get it working ? [snip] I've removed pulseaudio and mplayer and removed the .mplayer folder and then reinstalled mplayer. How should I proceed from here ? Thanks Sound also failed for me when I upgraded my virtual machine from F10. It also failed on a new virtual machine install of F11. Status for sound is as follows: VM upgrade of F10 to F11: Removed PA. Unable to remove Alsa because of dependency hell. (Most everything is tied to it.) Download and installed Open Sound System driver rpm: http://www.4front-tech.com/download.cgi Got sound and a mixer but no master volume control for Gnome taskbar. VM F11 install: No sound device. PA Manager/Device Chooser and find device or defaults to null. Removed PA Enabled OSS sound support in /etc/modprobe.d/dist-oss.conf After restart: Sound card detected. Alsa mixer works. No master volume control for Gnome. I also have virtual machine instances of openSUSE 11.1 and Ubuntu 9.04 installed on the same machine. Sound works in both. As far as I am aware both distros use Pulse Audio. So, where or how did Fedora developers get off track and derail sound? Thanks for detailing your process, but I can't help but notice its for a VM instead of an actual installation like I am running. Does anyone have tips for a non VM installation ? Why did you have to download the oss driver from a non Fedora location ? What is Fedora expecting us to use and what do we need to do to get it working ? Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On 07/14/2009 04:18 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 12:15 -0700, Kam Leo wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Linuxguy123linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using F11 since it came out and it works great. But I haven't had any sound since I did the upgrade. Sound worked great in F10. Its getting old not having sound. How do I get it working ? [snip] I've removed pulseaudio and mplayer and removed the .mplayer folder and then reinstalled mplayer. How should I proceed from here ? Thanks Sound also failed for me when I upgraded my virtual machine from F10. It also failed on a new virtual machine install of F11. Status for sound is as follows: VM upgrade of F10 to F11: Removed PA. Unable to remove Alsa because of dependency hell. (Most everything is tied to it.) Download and installed Open Sound System driver rpm: http://www.4front-tech.com/download.cgi Got sound and a mixer but no master volume control for Gnome taskbar. VM F11 install: No sound device. PA Manager/Device Chooser and find device or defaults to null. Removed PA Enabled OSS sound support in /etc/modprobe.d/dist-oss.conf After restart: Sound card detected. Alsa mixer works. No master volume control for Gnome. I also have virtual machine instances of openSUSE 11.1 and Ubuntu 9.04 installed on the same machine. Sound works in both. As far as I am aware both distros use Pulse Audio. So, where or how did Fedora developers get off track and derail sound? Thanks for detailing your process, but I can't help but notice its for a VM instead of an actual installation like I am running. Does anyone have tips for a non VM installation ? Why did you have to download the oss driver from a non Fedora location ? What is Fedora expecting us to use and what do we need to do to get it working ? Thanks I had no sound until I found the tip to run alsamixer -c0 and make sure the appropriate levels were maxed, then PA was fine. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 16:27 -0400, Shannon McMackin wrote: I had no sound until I found the tip to run alsamixer -c0 and make sure the appropriate levels were maxed, then PA was fine. As I stated in my first email, I have already done this. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
2009/7/14 Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com: I've been using F11 since it came out and it works great. But I haven't had any sound since I did the upgrade. Sound worked great in F10. Its getting old not having sound. How do I get it working ? I've had a whole bunch of sound problems so I'll throw some suggestions in... I've found that in a few situations I can only get sound working with the flash plugin and VLC. There's obviously something wrong with one or more of the backends to the various apps (gstreamer, xine, phonon). It's worth figuring out whether you're getting no sound at all (which would suggest there's something wrong with the config of your output device), or whether you're getting output from certain apps but not others (which would suggest some or all of the backends are failing for some reason). I seem to recall reading some of your threads about KDE 4.0 so I guess you're running KDE now. In that case, you're probably running audio apps which go through phonon, which is part of Qt4. I've had problems with the xine backend of phonon at times. When I removed the xine backend things sprung into life (maybe try rpm -qa | grep phonon for clues as to the package to remove). HTH, Chris. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
You could try yum reinstalling PulseAudio. If you had tried a fresh install of F11 on a small side partition, you could figure out whether F11 sound is the problem or my upgrade was the problem, since Fedora upgrades seem to have bugs of their own quite often, and the Linux sound infrastructure did go through changes between F10 and F11; wouldn't surprise me to hear that a plain upgrade wouldn't work right. I'd try reinstalling PulseAudio. Then I'd try a clean install of Fedora. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 17:21 -0500, Jud Craft wrote: You could try yum reinstalling PulseAudio. If you had tried a fresh install of F11 on a small side partition, you could figure out whether F11 sound is the problem or my upgrade was the problem, since Fedora upgrades seem to have bugs of their own quite often, and the Linux sound infrastructure did go through changes between F10 and F11; wouldn't surprise me to hear that a plain upgrade wouldn't work right. I'd try reinstalling PulseAudio. I've already tried that. It doesn't work. Then I'd try a clean install of Fedora. Don't ever suggest that re installing an operating system is the solution to a problem. It isn't. It would take me several days to re-install. Re installing is a stab in the dark at best. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Considering your install wasn't a fresh one to begin with, and Fedora makes releases twice a year that don't always cleanly upgrade between each other, I think reinstalling isn't an unreasonable suggestion. But it was just my suggestion. You could always set aside a small partition and do a fresh install. That would at least confirm if F11 sound works at all on your machine. It's not a stab in the dark; it actually -rules- out possibilities that you need to consider, would tell you if getting F11 sound working at all is possible, and instead help you focus on how to repair your upgraded environment, or tell you immediately if it was futile. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Linuxguy123linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 17:21 -0500, Jud Craft wrote: You could try yum reinstalling PulseAudio. If you had tried a fresh install of F11 on a small side partition, you could figure out whether F11 sound is the problem or my upgrade was the problem, since Fedora upgrades seem to have bugs of their own quite often, and the Linux sound infrastructure did go through changes between F10 and F11; wouldn't surprise me to hear that a plain upgrade wouldn't work right. I'd try reinstalling PulseAudio. I've already tried that. It doesn't work. Then I'd try a clean install of Fedora. Don't ever suggest that re installing an operating system is the solution to a problem. It isn't. It would take me several days to re-install. Re installing is a stab in the dark at best. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Linuxguy123 wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 12:15 -0700, Kam Leo wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Linuxguy123linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using F11 since it came out and it works great. But I haven't had any sound since I did the upgrade. Sound worked great in F10. Its getting old not having sound. How do I get it working ? What is Fedora expecting us to use and what do we need to do to get it working ? Thanks Fedora was expecting to use PulseAudio but you removed that as your predicate. That puts you with a vocal minority who would rather gripe about pulse audio than make it work so it will be up to them to tell you how to solve the sound issues that you 'fixed' by removing pulseaudio package. good luck Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 01:05 -0700, Craig White wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 12:15 -0700, Kam Leo wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Linuxguy123linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using F11 since it came out and it works great. But I haven't had any sound since I did the upgrade. Sound worked great in F10. Its getting old not having sound. How do I get it working ? What is Fedora expecting us to use and what do we need to do to get it working ? Thanks Fedora was expecting to use PulseAudio but you removed that as your predicate. That puts you with a vocal minority who would rather gripe about pulse audio than make it work so it will be up to them to tell you how to solve the sound issues that you 'fixed' by removing pulseaudio package. I have absolutely NO beef with pulseaudio whatsoever. I did not gripe about its existence. As long as it works, fine by me. I only removed it because people on this list suggested that its removal would cure my problem. I have just reinstalled pulseaudio. My sound still doesn't work. How should I proceed ? # yum list pulseaudio\* Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, kmdl, priorities, refresh-packagekit 1 packages excluded due to repository priority protections Installed Packages pulseaudio.i586 0.9.15-14.fc11 @updates pulseaudio-libs.i586 0.9.15-14.fc11 @updates pulseaudio-libs-glib2.i586 0.9.15-14.fc11 @updates -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 18:45:06 -0500, Jud Craft craft...@gmail.com wrote: Considering your install wasn't a fresh one to begin with, and Fedora makes releases twice a year that don't always cleanly upgrade between each other, I think reinstalling isn't an unreasonable suggestion. But it was just my suggestion. There are tools (e.g. package-cleanup and rpm -Va) that can be used to check out that an install was made properly without do a reinstall. The *.rpm??? confige files can be checked to see if anything needs to be done related to them. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 20:35 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 18:45:06 -0500, Jud Craft craft...@gmail.com wrote: Considering your install wasn't a fresh one to begin with, and Fedora makes releases twice a year that don't always cleanly upgrade between each other, I think reinstalling isn't an unreasonable suggestion. But it was just my suggestion. There are tools (e.g. package-cleanup and rpm -Va) that can be used to check out that an install was made properly without do a reinstall. The *.rpm??? confige files can be checked to see if anything needs to be done related to them. Thanks for reminding us of that. I'll keep it in mind as we move forward troubleshooting this issue. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Bruno Wolff IIIbr...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 18:45:06 -0500, Jud Craft craft...@gmail.com wrote: Considering your install wasn't a fresh one to begin with, and Fedora makes releases twice a year that don't always cleanly upgrade between each other, I think reinstalling isn't an unreasonable suggestion. But it was just my suggestion. There are tools (e.g. package-cleanup and rpm -Va) that can be used to check out that an install was made properly without do a reinstall. The *.rpm??? confige files can be checked to see if anything needs to be done related to them. Been there. Done that. Does not work. All packages got installed properly. Biggest problem with F11 sound is that Fedora developers dropped system-config-soundcard and did not provide other means to fix hardware issues. If PA does not see a soundcard you are hosed. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 18:40 -0700, Kam Leo wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Bruno Wolff IIIbr...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 18:45:06 -0500, Jud Craft craft...@gmail.com wrote: Considering your install wasn't a fresh one to begin with, and Fedora makes releases twice a year that don't always cleanly upgrade between each other, I think reinstalling isn't an unreasonable suggestion. But it was just my suggestion. There are tools (e.g. package-cleanup and rpm -Va) that can be used to check out that an install was made properly without do a reinstall. The *.rpm??? confige files can be checked to see if anything needs to be done related to them. Been there. Done that. Does not work. All packages got installed properly. Biggest problem with F11 sound is that Fedora developers dropped system-config-soundcard and did not provide other means to fix hardware issues. If PA does not see a soundcard you are hosed. So how does one check if PA is seeing the soundcard ? Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:22:15PM -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I've been using F11 since it came out and it works great. But I haven't had any sound since I did the upgrade. Sound worked great in F10. Its getting old not having sound. How do I get it working ? $ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Tue Jun 16 23:11:39 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux $lsmod | grep snd snd_hda_codec_idt 50560 1 snd_hda_intel 23920 3 snd_hda_codec 54264 2 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel snd_hwdep 6580 1 snd_hda_codec snd_pcm62556 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec snd_timer 17896 1 snd_pcm snd49044 12 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 5404 1 snd snd_page_alloc 7572 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm $ aplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: STAC92xx Digital [STAC92xx Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 $ yum list pulseaudio\* Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, kmdl, priorities, refresh-packagekit 1 packages excluded due to repository priority protections Installed Packages pulseaudio-libs.i586 0.9.15-14.fc11 @updates pulseaudio-libs-glib2.i586 0.9.15-14.fc11 @updates $ cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.18a. yum list alsa\* Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, kmdl, priorities, refresh-packagekit 1 packages excluded due to repository priority protections Installed Packages alsa-lib.i586 1.0.20-1.fc11 installed alsa-lib-devel.i586 1.0.20-1.fc11 installed alsa-oss.i586 1.0.17-3.fc11 installed alsa-oss-devel.i586 1.0.17-3.fc11 installed alsa-oss-libs.i586 1.0.17-3.fc11 installed alsa-utils.i586 1.0.20-3.fc11 installed I've run alsamixer -c0 and all the levels are set to their maximums. I've removed pulseaudio and mplayer and removed the .mplayer folder and then reinstalled mplayer. How should I proceed from here ? Thanks there's a thorough-looking guide on the fedora forums at: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=225660 Please note that I have not tried it, so I will assume no responsibility if it makes your computer fly around the room. :) -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - The Lord detests the way of the wicked but he loves those who pursue righteousness. - Proverbs 15:9 (niv) - pgpGtFrTNulln.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On 07/14/2009 10:13 PM, fred smith wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:22:15PM -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I've been using F11 since it came out and it works great. But I haven't had any sound since I did the upgrade. Sound worked great in F10. Its getting old not having sound. How do I get it working ? $ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Tue Jun 16 23:11:39 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux $lsmod | grep snd snd_hda_codec_idt 50560 1 snd_hda_intel 23920 3 snd_hda_codec 54264 2 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel snd_hwdep 6580 1 snd_hda_codec snd_pcm62556 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec snd_timer 17896 1 snd_pcm snd49044 12 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 5404 1 snd snd_page_alloc 7572 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm $ aplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: STAC92xx Digital [STAC92xx Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 $ yum list pulseaudio\* Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, kmdl, priorities, refresh-packagekit 1 packages excluded due to repository priority protections Installed Packages pulseaudio-libs.i586 0.9.15-14.fc11 @updates pulseaudio-libs-glib2.i586 0.9.15-14.fc11 @updates $ cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.18a. yum list alsa\* Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, kmdl, priorities, refresh-packagekit 1 packages excluded due to repository priority protections Installed Packages alsa-lib.i586 1.0.20-1.fc11 installed alsa-lib-devel.i586 1.0.20-1.fc11 installed alsa-oss.i586 1.0.17-3.fc11 installed alsa-oss-devel.i586 1.0.17-3.fc11 installed alsa-oss-libs.i586 1.0.17-3.fc11 installed alsa-utils.i586 1.0.20-3.fc11 installed I've run alsamixer -c0 and all the levels are set to their maximums. I've removed pulseaudio and mplayer and removed the .mplayer folder and then reinstalled mplayer. How should I proceed from here ? Thanks there's a thorough-looking guide on the fedora forums at: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=225660 Please note that I have not tried it, so I will assume no responsibility if it makes your computer fly around the room. :) I've tried it and it works. You also get pamixer which can show you whether or not PA sees your audio card. Unfortunately, I have a different Intel chip than you, mine is the AD198x. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On 07/14/2009 11:22 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I've been using F11 since it came out and it works great. But I haven't had any sound since I did the upgrade. Sound worked great in F10. Its getting old not having sound. How do I get it working ? $ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Tue Jun 16 23:11:39 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux $lsmod | grep snd snd_hda_codec_idt 50560 1 snd_hda_intel 23920 3 snd_hda_codec 54264 2 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel snd_hwdep 6580 1 snd_hda_codec snd_pcm62556 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec snd_timer 17896 1 snd_pcm snd49044 12 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 5404 1 snd snd_page_alloc 7572 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm $ aplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: STAC92xx Digital [STAC92xx Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 $ yum list pulseaudio\* Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, kmdl, priorities, refresh-packagekit 1 packages excluded due to repository priority protections Installed Packages pulseaudio-libs.i586 0.9.15-14.fc11 @updates pulseaudio-libs-glib2.i586 0.9.15-14.fc11 @updates $ cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.18a. yum list alsa\* Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, kmdl, priorities, refresh-packagekit 1 packages excluded due to repository priority protections Installed Packages alsa-lib.i586 1.0.20-1.fc11 installed alsa-lib-devel.i586 1.0.20-1.fc11 installed alsa-oss.i586 1.0.17-3.fc11 installed alsa-oss-devel.i586 1.0.17-3.fc11 installed alsa-oss-libs.i586 1.0.17-3.fc11 installed alsa-utils.i586 1.0.20-3.fc11 installed I've run alsamixer -c0 and all the levels are set to their maximums. I've removed pulseaudio and mplayer and removed the .mplayer folder and then reinstalled mplayer. How should I proceed from here ? Thanks Looks like our junk is similar - Intel chip I had lots of sound problems until I moved to a 2.6.30 kernel. You'll note that all the sound modules have very different sizes from yours. And your driver version is 1.0.18a while mine is 1.0.20. I dumped pulse when I was having the sound problems, but it made no difference. I'd recommend a kernel upgrade. Regards, John uname -a Linux godzilla2 2.6.30.1 #1 SMP Fri Jul 3 18:26:47 PDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux lsmod | grep snd snd_hda_codec_idt 34948 1 snd_hda_intel 12852 0 snd_hda_codec 35060 2 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel snd_hwdep 2840 1 snd_hda_codec snd_pcm32024 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec snd_timer 10144 1 snd_pcm snd22976 6 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore344 1 snd snd_page_alloc 4152 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm aplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.20. Installed Packages alsa-lib.i586 1.0.20-1.fc11 installed alsa-utils.i5861.0.20-3.fc11 installed -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 22:13 -0400, fred smith wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:22:15PM -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I've been using F11 since it came out and it works great. But I haven't had any sound since I did the upgrade. Sound worked great in F10. Its getting old not having sound. How do I get it working ? snip there's a thorough-looking guide on the fedora forums at: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=225660 Please note that I have not tried it, so I will assume no responsibility if it makes your computer fly around the room. :) Its better than anything else I've seen. Everything worked until I ran the pulse audio device chooser, which didn't run at all. Even when run from the command line. There is no error output whatsoever. It just hangs. The GUI never appears. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Fedora was expecting to use PulseAudio but you removed that as your predicate. That puts you with a vocal minority who would rather gripe about pulse audio than make it work so it will be up to them to tell you how to solve the sound issues that you 'fixed' by removing pulseaudio package. I didn't remove pulseaudio: yum install pulseaudio Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit Setting up Install Process Package pulseaudio-0.9.15-14.fc11.x86_64 already installed and latest version Nothing to do Since I find my volume is too low, I tried pavucontrol as suggested. (No pamixer available from yum.) I receive: Connection failed: Connection refused I can see the settings for output devices are set to 100% in the interface but since the connection fails, I can't be sure the figure is correct and I can't change it. One thing is sure: it isn't possible to get as much juice from my preamp as SMplayer delivers. By default, the sound is rather weak, even with alsamixer set to max. Also, I removed Totem and installed Mplayer because I couldn't watch features at Radio-Canada with Totem. I'm not sure how this would work with Totem, but I can't set the system so that it plays the DVD just by clicking on the icon. System - Preferences - File Management - Media finds no application to play video DVDs and there is no way to enter preferred applications. For audio CDs, XMMS which, I believe is the default for the GNOME installation, is still installed and it's no application again, no way to enter any. For playing DVDs, SMPlayer does a good job so, we're not talking about a major glitch here, mainly if you put an icon for SMPlayer in the panel. But if people come from the Mac world, they'll really find it terrible if you can't start a DVD by clicking on it. I would be better if this was fixed. Even though the default volume I now have is not unbearably low, it would also be prefereable if there was a way to adjust it with pavucontrol. (Maybe this works on 32 bit systems. I have no idea.) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 21:47 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 22:13 -0400, fred smith wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:22:15PM -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I've been using F11 since it came out and it works great. But I haven't had any sound since I did the upgrade. Sound worked great in F10. Its getting old not having sound. How do I get it working ? snip there's a thorough-looking guide on the fedora forums at: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=225660 Please note that I have not tried it, so I will assume no responsibility if it makes your computer fly around the room. :) Its better than anything else I've seen. Everything worked until I ran the pulse audio device chooser, which didn't run at all. Even when run from the command line. There is no error output whatsoever. It just hangs. The GUI never appears. I now see 3 pulse audio applets in my system tray. Yes, 3 of them. On them I can set the default server, sink and source to... default, like to Fedora Forum instructions say. However, I still get no sound. I even logged into a gnome session and tried the system-config-soundcard application... no joy, however I am still playing with settings. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
