Re: Rescue Disk in Fc9 ?? -- [SOLVED]
Hi Tim and thanks; On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 05:44 +0930, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 15:22 -0400, William Case wrote: I am sitting here watching bittorrent download Fedora-9-x86_64-CDs to my backup partition of a hard disk. I intend to install from there to my Linux partitions. When I did it this way for Fedora 8 (DVD), there was a rescue disk that I used for installation. I don't see a rescue disk for F9. In F8, there was only the DVD iso, so a rescue disk was made available that could be downloaded and burned. When booting it took you directly to an options screen for installing or rescuing -- no 'askmethod' involved. There's a small net install ISO that offers a rescue feature. I've used it to specially prepare a pre-used drive before starting an installation. I haven't booted any other ISOs to see what they offer, but I seem to recall reading that the DVD or first discs also offer a rescue feature (e.g. disc one from a multi-disc set). The following link suggests that any install disc should offer a rescue mode: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-boot-modes.html#sn-mode-rescue According to documentation, the DVD disc does *NOT* let you pick an alternative install location (i.e. you boot from the DVD, you install from the DVD). I haven't tested this. See: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-install-diff-source.html For CDs in F9 burn the first CD iso and it becomes the boot/rescue when employing the 'askmethod' at the command line. This is exactly the way it worked in F7. I was going to try this, but thought that maybe instead of reverting to the older 'askmethod' the Fedora developers had come up with some new procedure. It only takes a line of explanation (or a link) about creating a boot disk in the Installation Guide but some reassurance would have been -- well -- reassuring. I got my answer from your suggested links and from having done it before with Fc7. I have explained here in case someone else is having the same quandary. -- Regards Bill -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Not a Newbie question -- cleaning out printer queues ??
Hi; This has been annoying me for a long time. How do I absolutely and certainly clean out all printing queues and buffers after I have botched a printing job? Case in point: Yesterday I started to print an SVG graphics file I had created in Inkscape. Immediately after I pressed the print button, I saw a glaring mistake I wanted to fix. The printer hadn't started to print yet so I cancelled the job using the print thingie in the Notification Area. My printer ground to a halt -- a good thing. Made my changes to the graphic but nothing would print after that. I then did the usual impatient things -- 2-or-3 more print tries; a test page; a text page test; turned the printer on and off a couple of times but no joy. I then used the printer thingie to cancel all jobs. I re-booted into WindowsXp; tried the printer; it worked fine; double checked ink levels. I shut the computer down; turned the printer off and on; and re-booted to Fedora. Immediately on re-loading Fedora my printer, printed an ink and paper wasting 1/2 of my original graphic and a test page. It worked fine after that. Sorry for the long description of my attempts to get my printer going, but I wanted to show something we have all seen and done, I am sure. So my question is, on behalf of all frustrated printer users, after botching/stopping a print job; how do you make absolutely certain that all queues and buffers in the operating system and printer are cleaned out so that you can start afresh? I am using an HP Photosmart C4200 All-in-One printer, but my question really applies to all printers. All the nice neat manual answers seem to apply only to nice neat orderly print cancellations; not to a rushed slightly panicked, STOP THE PRESSES. -- Regards Bill Fedora 8, Gnome 2.20.3, Emacs 22.1.1, Evolution 2.12.3 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Not a Newbie question -- cleaning out printer queues ??
Thanks Mike; On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 09:19 -0700, Mike Wright wrote: William Case wrote: Hi; This has been annoying me for a long time. How do I absolutely and certainly clean out all printing queues and buffers after I have botched a printing job? man lprm But .. Is not the printer thingie in the notification area not just a frontend for lprm? And, by the way, does the printer thingie (icon) in the notification have a name? And, if I close the thing (by, say, right-clicking on it in frustration) how do I get it back? Why isn't it persistent if there is still jobs (active or cancelled) in a buffer or queue somewhere? -- Regards Bill -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 and Bittorrent ?? -- [SOLVED]
On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 00:54 -0400, Bill Case wrote: Hi; I started Bittorrent seed for my F9 download in F8. I have installed F9 now and would like to continue the seed. But ... I keep getting the following error message from bittorrent: Fedora-9-etc. OS [Errno 13] Permission Denied: '/backup' /backup is the directory I downloaded the F9 CDs to. It is on a different hard drive from my installed F9 and Bittorrent. It is properly mounted and was accessible to Bittorrent in F8. All the ownership permissions are correct and are the same as before. It feels like a SELinux problem except that I have SELinux set to 'permissable'. It is probably a stupidity problem, but it has given me a couple of hours of frustration. Any suggestions as to what I should check, would be greatly appreciated. PEBKAC?! Fedora 9 now automatically mounts /backup from /media. My saved config for Bittorrent had it as /mnt/backup; fstab refused to say. I want to do my fair payback for the original F9 Bittorrent download. Regards Bill -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
double boot (not dual boot) problems with GRUB ??
Hi; When I first boot I get the Fedora splash screen twice -- besides that everything else boots normally. Problem: First let me say, grub and I spent quite a bit of time together a couple of years ago, so I am generally comfortable using it and don't believe my problems are as a result of being a grub newbie. My system is dual boot with WindowsXP installed on hard drive /dev/sda (hd0) and Fedora installed on a second hard drive /dev/sdb (hd1). In case it matters (it shouldn't) I have a ext3 partition on sda for Linux backup and a FAT32 partition on sdb for Windows backup. About four weeks ago my commercial boot loader was blown away by the WindowsXP sp3 download. Fine and good. I just installed grub. During the grub install I had an ooops! So I just reinstalled grub and everything seemed fine. Because it was an oops I didn't pay attention to the mistake, so now a month later I have forgotten exactly what I did wrong. Besides I thought I had recovered. About a week ago (I don't re-boot very often), I noticed the Fedora splash screen appear for 1/2 second or less, pause for a second, and then a new splash screen appeared and everything progressed fine from there. This occurs definitely during the grub stage of bootup. I didn't do anything then because I was going to fresh install Fedora 9 with a new grub on the weekend. Which I have done. But the double splash screen still appears. Analysis: I believe that I have two grub stage 2 on my system; one in sdb /boot/grub and another in sda -- somewhere. Proposed solution: 1) Run 'fixmbr' from my Windows CD; which I expect will blow away my grub stage 1 2) Re-install grub from my Fedora 9 disc1 rescue mode. Questions: 1) I have looked at the Fedora rescue mode; there is no 'firstaid' file which was promised would appear in Fedora 9. But if it is there I would like to find it. If it didn't make it onto the disk, I will grub-install from the command line. 2) As a double check could someone tell me if I have the correct command to put stage1 in the mbr of hd0 and tell grub that stage2 is in sdb /boot '# grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda' I just would like to have reassurance that grub interprets the above command as meaning what I want i.e that it can find /boot on the second disc -- not create or find an extraneous stage 2 on /dev/sda I have taken the time to outline fully my problem and proposed solution so that you can give me any additional comments or solutions. I am hoping that the 'fixmbr' command will not only restore the mbr but also eliminate the extra stage 2. How can I check that? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Boinc connection being refused.
Hi; When I try to get Boinc working in F9 I get an error dialogue: BOINC Manager is not able to connect to a BOINC client. Would you like to try to connect again? From the command line, I get: ~]$ boincmgr connect: Connection refused execvp(./boinc, -redirectio, -launched_by_manager, -insecure) failed with error 2! connect: Operation now in progress connect: Connection refused connect: Connection refused execvp(./boinc, -redirectio, -launched_by_manager, -insecure) failed with error 2! I had BOINC working fine in F8. Can anybody help me get BOINC working again in F9? Is this another SELinuxv annoyance? (I am set to permissible) -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: totally offtopic (race to make car that runs on tap water)
Hi Valent; I have been watching this Dingle story for a couple of years. And I saw the Japanese story a few weeks ago. From everything I can read, the story deserves 'suspended disbelief'. I remain highly sceptical (perpetual motion and cold fusion) but watchful and ready to be proven wrong when I see a car actually running on and fueled by water; confirmed by reputable engineering and scientific third parties. A large investment by a major car manufacturer would certainly make the story more plausible. On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 12:30 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote: http://digg.com/environment/Race_hots_up_to_produce_the_first_car_running_on_tap_water Please check this out and digg it... also see the links in the digg comments. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Boinc problems ??
Hi; When I launch boincmgr I get the following error message: Authorization failed connecting to running client. Make sure you start this program in the same directory as the client. They are both in /usr/bin/ and boinc_client is running happily. If however, in boincmgr I open on the menu Advanced = Select Computer = localhost and paste in the password from /var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg boincmgr will open connected to boinc_client. How do I get boincmgr to open with boinc_client automatically attached (or whatever the proper terminology is) without going through the password exercise? It used to in Fedora 8. I have tried as many variations as I can think of following man boincmgr, man boinc_client and the advice at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mjakubicek/HowToUseBoinc This not a killer, but is annoying. Does anyone have any suggestions. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Boinc problems ??
On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 18:07 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi Adalbert; Now I am totally confused. On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 23:44 +0200, Adalbert Prokop wrote: William Case wrote on Thursday 19 June 2008: [snip] I tried creating a symbolic link from /usr/bin/gui_rpc_auth.cfg to /var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg No joy. Does anybody else have any ideas?? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Boinc problems ??
Thanks Adalbert; Mostly joy. On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 00:56 +0200, Adalbert Prokop wrote: William Case wrote on Friday 20 June 2008: I have no $HOME/BOINC; (I used to in Fedora 8) yum installed all boinc files in /var/lib/boinc/ including gui_rpc_auth.cfg. If gui_rpc_auth.cfg is there and readable for you, then cd /var/lib/boinc; boincmgr needed cd /var/lib/boinc; sudo boincmgr Doesn't ask for a password. Don't know why. should start the manager. If this works, you can fill /var/lib/boinc into the field working directory in your menu entry. Don't have a working directory field in the menu entry that I know of, just a command line -- but I can't get the above command (or variations) to launch from the menu or Icon/launcher. I am getting forgetful, tired and old -- or all three. I'll leave it until tomorrow. -- bye, Adalbert Memory fault -- brain fried -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Boinc problems ?? -- [SOLVED]
Hi and Thanks; On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 19:59 -0400, William Case wrote: Thanks Adalbert; Mostly joy. On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 00:56 +0200, Adalbert Prokop wrote: William Case wrote on Friday 20 June 2008: I have no $HOME/BOINC; (I used to in Fedora 8) yum installed all boinc files in /var/lib/boinc/ including gui_rpc_auth.cfg. I am getting forgetful, tired and old -- or all three. I'll leave it until tomorrow. I good nights sleep, and copied gui_rpc_auth.cfg. to $HOME checked the permissions and voilà. I should feel stupid. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Can't get flash-plugin working in FF3 ??
Hi; The subject of media has been something I have avoided, so I am a newbie at understanding what I might be doing wrong. I am running F9 -x86_64 and FireFox3. Yum shows me flash-plugin (Adobe Flash Plugin 9.0.124.0 arch i386) is installed. Firefox 'about:plugin' shows me flash-plugin is NOT installed. After download and installation I re-booted just to sure and no joy. What could I be doing wrong? Where should I look? Is there an arch mis-match? Dumb question: Is there a Linux substitute for Adobe Flash? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Can't get flash-plugin working in FF3 ??
Thanks Chris; On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 09:56 -0600, Christopher A. Williams wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 11:43 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi; The subject of media has been something I have avoided, so I am a newbie at understanding what I might be doing wrong. I am running F9 -x86_64 and FireFox3. Yum shows me flash-plugin (Adobe Flash Plugin 9.0.124.0 arch i386) is installed. Firefox 'about:plugin' shows me flash-plugin is NOT installed. After download and installation I re-booted just to sure and no joy. What could I be doing wrong? Where should I look? Is there an arch mis-match? Dumb question: Is there a Linux substitute for Adobe Flash? Indeed there are substitutes and alternatives, but IHMO / experience, none of them are as good as Flash 9. The way I got this to work reliably on 64-bit F9 was to read and follow the instructions on Section 10.5.1 of the F9 Release Notes. You can even copy / paste the specific commands to complete the task if you like. For the sake of convenience, the F9 US English Release Notes are found at: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/en_US/ Hope that helps! Worked like a charm. Don't know why I didn't think of going to the release notes. I guess I just assumed Flash should automagically download and install. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OT How to get National Public Radio FM on Rythmbox
Hi all and thanks; On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 05:21 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 23:56 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi -- particularly to my American friends. Does anybody know how to get National Public Radio (NPR) as a feed on Rythmbox. I am new to using Radio + computer and I would like to add a NPR station to my list of stations. But I can't seem to find an Internet feed. Maybe it doesn't exist, but if someone knows how to get any (North Easteren US -- I'm in Ottawa, Canada) FM station I would appreciate it. http://www.npr.org/audiohelp/progstream.html There's also a list of NPR stations at http://www.npr.org/stations/. You could stream any of those. I had gone to http://www.npr.org/stations/ and tried border cities, but none of them seemed what I remembered. A lot of their own programming. I had visited my sister in Maine a couple of years ago and she had some (I don't know which) NPR station streaming to her computer. It was always on low in the background. It was perfect for listening while working. Loved the car guys. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OT How to get National Public Radio FM on Rythmbox
Hi Tom and all; On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 13:08 -0400, tom wrote: On Sun, 22 Jun 2008, William Case wrote: Hi all and thanks; On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 05:21 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 23:56 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi -- particularly to my American friends. snip http://www.npr.org/audiohelp/progstream.html There's also a list of NPR stations at http://www.npr.org/stations/. You could stream any of those. [snip] Loved the car guys. Its been a quarter century since I lived in northern new england, but as I remember Maine's NPR stations are all run pretty much as a single system. That said, NPR is a collection of diverse local stations, most of which their own programming. WFAE, one of my local outlets, runs to jazz and talk radio. WDAV, another local outlet with less NPR sourced material, is almost entirely classical (just a touch of news). The South Carolina outlet just to the south of here (Charlotte NC) has yet another flavor, but my reception is quite weak so I'm not sure what their mix is. If you liked the mix from Maine Public Broadcasting, you might want to search for them, as I have no clue what their various station call signs are. Otherwise, I'm afraid you have a manual search for something worth listening to. FWIW, the car guys are Car Talk if memory serves. Spent the whole afternoon getting NPR running on Rythmbox. I was overwhelmed by the logic and simplicity of it all. I wish the developers would stop that. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Where are they hiding the source files now??
Hi; Where do I get the Fedora 9 SRPMs? I have an old URL and I can't seem to find a clear link from the Wiki. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where are they hiding the source files now??
Hi Thanks to you and Peter Gordon On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 16:03 -0400, Mauriat wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 3:56 PM, William Case [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi; Where do I get the Fedora 9 SRPMs? I have an old URL and I can't seem to find a clear link from the Wiki. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 What is your old url? http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/source/SRPMS/ http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/updates/9/SRPMS/ As far as I can tell these haven't changed. I had an old address http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/5/source/SRPMS/ I knew it was out of date, but couldn't find a clear link on the Wiki home page or the download page. -Mauriat -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Double checking grub-install ??
Hi g; On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 18:42 +, g wrote: William Case wrote: I am looking for confirmation that this is a correct strategy and the proper use of the grub-install command. i have not used oos for several years and when i have had to reinstall grub, i have been using a mandriva install disk. i would imagine it is not all that different with fedora. I don't know much about mandriva, but the install disk does have rescue mode which I am used to using. you did not mention what version, i would guess you are at f9, i am using f8 and recall 'recover' being in selections at disk boot. My Fedora version is listed with my signature. During a bugzilla discourse, a program or facility called 'firstaid' was promised for F9 anaconda/rescue which would cover such eventualities but if it exists, I can't find it. so it should be a simple matter of booting install disk, selecting 'recover' and follow prompts. But it isn't. In any case, I have spent time with grub in the past and generally comfortable using it. I asked here as a double check because what I am planning will wipe out my boot loader for both of my systems temporarily and I wanted to make sure that I can be up and running as smoothly as possible. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Double checking grub-install ??
Thanks for replying Tim; On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 16:05 +0930, Tim wrote: On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 14:15 -0400, William Case wrote: I have to run fixmbr on my WindowsXP harddisk (sda). I assume this use of fixmbr will blow away my grub. It will change the master boot record to suit Windows. If you'd previously put GRUB on there, you'd lose it. I'm not sure that I see the point of running fixmbr, then doing something else to undo it. I was trying to avoid wasting peoples time with a long description. When I first boot I get the Fedora grub splash screen/menu twice -- besides that everything else boots normally. About four weeks ago my commercial boot loader was blown away by the WindowsXP sp3 download and install. Fine and good: that didn't surprise me. I just installed grub. During a first attempt at a grub install I had an ooops! So I just re-installed grub and everything seemed fine. Because it was an oops and not a confusion, I didn't pay attention to the mistake, so now a month later I have forgotten exactly what I did wrong. Besides I thought I had recovered. About a week ago (I don't re-boot very often), I noticed the Fedora grub splash screen appear for 1/2 second or less, then go blank and pause for a second or two. Then a new splash screen appeared and everything progressed fine from there. This occurs definitely during the grub stage of bootup. I didn't do anything then because I was going to fresh install Fedora 9 with a new grub on the weekend. Which I have done. But the double splash screen still appears. after running fixmbr I will go to my Fedora rescue disk and do: In the hopes that I can eliminate this double boot. grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sdb That is; I want grub stage1 on the mbr of sda while I want stage2 on sdb /boot. I will use the grub command as you have given me to see if I can find where the problem is. Shouldn't really be necessary to do anything other than rewrite the MBR (you could that by backing it up with dd before any changes, then restoring it again the same way). Running fixmbr should only affect the drive that Windows is on. So the only thing lost will be the MBR, the rest of GRUB will be unchanged (stage2 will still be where it was before). The problem is, I think I have two stage2s. When I've restored GRUB, I've done it this way: [snip] That's just four commands. Here's a copy and paste of the process on my computer, though I'm doing everything on drive zero, since there's only one disc in this box. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ su - Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# grub Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. GNU GRUB version 0.97 (640K lower / 3072K upper memory) [ Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported. For the first word, TAB lists possible command completions. Anywhere else TAB lists the possible completions of a device/filename.] grub root (hd0,0) root (hd0,1) Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 grub setup (hd0) setup (hd0) Checking if /boot/grub/stage1 exists... no Checking if /grub/stage1 exists... yes Checking if /grub/stage2 exists... yes Checking if /grub/e2fs_stage1_5 exists... yes Running embed /grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd0)... 23 sectors are embedded. succeeded Running install /grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0)1+23 p (hd0,0)/grub/stage2 /grub/grub.conf... succeeded Done. grub quit quit [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# NB: Tabbing didn't work when I tried it. But it has in the past. I'm not sure if that's down to the terminal on Fedora 9, or something else. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Double checking grub-install ??
Hi Stan; Lets step back a little bit. On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 18:52 -0700, stan wrote: William Case wrote: Hi Tim; On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 07:35 +0930, Tim wrote: On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 10:28 -0400, William Case wrote: When I first boot I get the Fedora grub splash screen/menu twice -- besides that everything else boots normally. This describes the behavior that occurs when there is a configfile entry in the grub.conf file. You don't have that? For instance, you keep your mbr on sda. However, you have another boot partition on sdb. You can put the entry root(hd1,0) # boot for second OS is first partition on second drive configfile /grub/menu.lst in grub.conf and it will bring up the second menu that you can then select which kernel you want to boot on the other OS. As I understand it, and have used it for over two years, grub has three parts or stages. 1) stage1 is one line that is installed on the mbr within the 64 bytes or 512 bits that is reserved on the disk for booting purposes. Stage1 has the sole function of directing grub to stage1_5 or the grub loader which is stage2. Stage1 is not grub but only a short binary that directs the harddisk to read the next stage. The grub program is in stage2. 2) stage1_5 (stage 1.5) is a file that can reside on the first track next to the mbr. stage1_5 is used when the instructions of where to boot from are more complex than can be handled by the small mbr. In that case stage1 directs grub (actually the controller of the harddisk) to read stage1_5 which then directs grub to read stage2 wherever stage2 happens to be installed. 3) stage2 is a the binary executable that contains the actual boot loading instructions. Stage2 gets some of the details for how and what to load from the grub.conf file. It is common on a dual boot system, to read the mbr of the first harddisk (first, second etc. is established by the BIOS setup) and then be directed to the /boot directory of the second harddisk in order to read stage2. Stage2 reads the information contained in the /boot/grub/grub.conf | menu.lst and proceeds to boot. When booting, if the hiddenmenu has been commented out, grub shows one and only one splashscreen with a menu. For a dual boot with Windows as an option, the menu gives the user the choice of the latest Linux kernel, the next to latest kernel and/or to chainload Windows (Other). Whichever is selected (or the default), grub boots directly into that Operating System. My /boot/grub/grub.conf is as follows: # boot=/dev/sda default=0 timeout=5 splashimage=(hd1,4)/grub/splash.xpm.gz ## hiddenmenu title Fedora (2.6.25.6-55.fc9.x86_64) root (hd1,4) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25.6-55.fc9.x86_64 ro root=UUID=884ffe2a-42ff-4835-bf57-b80bc45c3baa rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.25.6-55.fc9.x86_64.img title Fedora (2.6.25-14.fc9.x86_64) root (hd1,4) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-14.fc9.x86_64 ro root=UUID=884ffe2a-42ff-4835-bf57-b80bc45c3baa rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.25-14.fc9.x86_64.img title WindowsXP sp3 rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader +1 There is no reason why I should be having this menu flash once and disappear, pause, then load so that I can make an OS choice. As has been suggested here by others, it looks like one stage2 has become entangled with a second stage2. I cannot find a second stage2. I have used 'locate', 'find', and 'grub find' to search both disks. In fact, root]# grub find /boot/grub/grub.conf returns 'file not found' error 15. I have not yet used grub find from the rescue disk command line. I am about to try that next to see what it can tell me. And, in fact, in the past, if I let anaconda automagically install the grub setup, it gave me exactly that: stage1 on the sda mbr and stage2 in /boot of sdb. It should have done that when I installed F9, yet somehow grub remained entangled with an extra stage2. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
BOINC again !?
Hi; I am having newbie problems with boinc, ports and SELinux -- I think. Networks and SELinux are two subjects I have put off learning to any rudimentary depth. So here goes. I can get Boinc to connect to the World Community Grid immediately after first download and install. (I have removed it and re-installed to test this). But after a reboot I can no longer connect to any of the project sites. I went to the WCG forum and explained my problem. The response was -- open ports 80 and 443. 'netstat' does not list 80 or 443 as present, i.e, as active. SELinux is in permissible mode. SELinux gives the following for those two ports. http_port_t tcp s0 80 http_port_t tcp s0 443 So ... where do I go from here? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora/grub bug -- I think ?
Thanks Mikkel; On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 12:28 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: William Case wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 08:13 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Dumb question - is this a brief flash, like the video changing modes, and not a longer pause between displays of the menu? Not a dumb question. The flash lasts about 1/2 second. Just long enough for eyes to catch a Fedora blue screen, the word Fedora at the top of the screen, and, the beginning of a menu box being written. Then the screen blanks for 2 - 3 seconds ( I have tried to count the times off) and finally the splash image is fully redrawn. When it loads for the second time the Fedora name is at the bottom. I mention that in support of your idea it may be the video changing: maybe in the first instance the splash image is not getting drawn properly. Another thing, this started in F8. I hadn't made the connection until now and it just might be my frustration making invalid assumptions. Keeping in mind I don't boot THAT often in order to always notice exactly when the issue started. But, two or three months ago, I installed a new motherboard switching from an ATI video card to a Nvidia on board video chip. It sure sounds like a video mode problem. I wonder if grub-install store the VESA mode to use, and it needs a different mode for the ATI card then the Nvida card? I do not know enough about that part of Grub to know for sure. But if that is the case, you would have thought that the updated Grub package would have fixed that when it installed. Mikkel As I said, the double splash image doesn't prevent me from doing anything, so I'll let it sit for a couple of days. If no one (including me) comes up with a solution, I will file a bug against it. I just had the objective of after the fresh install of F9, working on cleaning up all the cruft, annoyances and problems I had accumulated and thereby have a washed, dried and polished system. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora/grub bug -- I think ?
Hi g; Good question, good point. On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 21:42 +, g wrote: William Case wrote: snip As I said, the double splash image doesn't prevent me from doing anything, so I'll let it sit for a couple of days. If no one (including me) comes up with a solution, I will file a bug against it. I just had the objective of after the fresh install of F9, working on cleaning up all the cruft, annoyances and problems I had accumulated and thereby have a washed, dried and polished system. something you have yet to mention, do you still have commercial boot loader on sda, or did you 'fixmbr' and remove it? It was Boot Magic. I was using it just because I was being stubborn. I bought Partition Magic which included the Boot Magic program before I started exploring Linux. I paid for it; I am going to use it. I was expecting the whole thing to out date itself any day soon, so its death didn't surprise me. I haven't 'fixmbr' -ed yet. But I did replace the mbr or at least part of it with grub when I made my original mistake, if I did, in fact, make an uncorrected mistake. This whole video mode question has thrown that open. something which has not been suggested to try; 'dd if=/dev/sda of=sda.hex bs=256 count=1' 'dd if=/dev/sdb of=sdb.hex bs=256 count=1' That is a very good suggestion on checking for any lingering remnants of either Boot Magic or a misplaced grub. None of the usual file finders was showing me anything useful. I am going to let it be for a couple of days and collect my thoughts. And then, give it a last try on a quiet Sunday morning. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: BOINC again !?
On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 21:19 -0400, John Munn wrote: You need to open the ports in your firewall (iptables). Didn't have iptables running. I do now with ports 80 and 443 set as trusted -- still nothing. Do I have to move or link some file(s) from /var/lib/boinc to $HOME? John William Case wrote: Hi; I am having newbie problems with boinc, ports and SELinux -- I think. Networks and SELinux are two subjects I have put off learning to any rudimentary depth. So here goes. I can get Boinc to connect to the World Community Grid immediately after first download and install. (I have removed it and re-installed to test this). But after a reboot I can no longer connect to any of the project sites. I went to the WCG forum and explained my problem. The response was -- open ports 80 and 443. 'netstat' does not list 80 or 443 as present, i.e, as active. SELinux is in permissible mode. SELinux gives the following for those two ports. http_port_t tcp s0 80 http_port_t tcp s0 443 So ... where do I go from here? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: BOINC again !?
Hi Craig; On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 21:54 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 00:44 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi Craig; On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 20:55 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 23:22 -0400, William Case wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 21:19 -0400, John Munn wrote: You need to open the ports in your firewall (iptables). Didn't have iptables running. I do now with ports 80 and 443 set as trusted -- still nothing. Do I have to move or link some file(s) from /var/lib/boinc to $HOME? don't know anything about BOINC but do you have/need httpd running (sounds like it) /sbin/service httpd status /sbin/service httpd start Half-way there. Now port 80 is showing on netstat but not 443. Never thought to check httpd service. Every new install before Fedora 9 automagically set httpd as a default service. That is not a complaint -- just a weak wristed excuse. httpd should start both 80 443 and thus should show a Listener on both ports in netstat... # netstat -an|grep 443 tcp0 0 :::443 :::* LISTEN Nope. Still not there. check /var/log/httpd/error_log /httpd/error_log [Sat Jun 28 00:29:16 2008] [notice] SELinux policy enabled; httpd running as context unconfined_u:system_r:httpd_t:s0 [Sat Jun 28 00:29:16 2008] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper: /usr/sbin/suexec) [Sat Jun 28 00:29:16 2008] [notice] Digest: generating secret for digest authentication ... [Sat Jun 28 00:29:16 2008] [notice] Digest: done [Sat Jun 28 00:29:16 2008] [notice] Apache/2.2.8 (Unix) DAV/2 configured -- resuming normal operations It is still a bit Greek to me; but seems to be alright. and /var/log/httpd/ssl_error_log for clues about problems. I have no httpd/ssl_error_log chkconfig httpd on will make sure that httpd always starts up when you restart Shttpd was already set for all 4 runlevels -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: BOINC again !?
On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 22:52 -0700, Craig White wrote: [big snip] yum install mod_ssl service httpd restart Port 443 now appears in netstat. Thanks. Boinc still not working -- but that is an application problem to be figured out in the morning. seems hard to believe that mod_ssl wasn't already installed. What packages are required by boinc? Are they installed? Sounds like you built it from source and not from rpm packaging. Had it working fine in Fedora 8 when it was an rpm install from the Boinc site. If you are wondering; it is a distributed computing program working on cancer, dengue fever cures etc. This time it was packaged in the Fedora 9 repo site. I downloaded and installed it with yum (yumex). Thanks Craig. I actually learned a lot about a subject(s) I had been putting off too long. I appreciate your help. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: BOINC again !?
Hi Markku; On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 12:37 +0300, Markku Kolkka wrote: Craig White kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika lauantai, 28. kesäkuuta 2008): don't know anything about BOINC but do you have/need httpd running (sounds like it) You don't need httpd to run the BOINC client. It doesn't need any incoming firewall ports open either. I think this thread got sidetracked somewhere, I don't believe the OP wants to run a BOINC project server. You are right. I don't want to run a server. I just want to get the boinc applications (boinc-clent and boincmgr) that I downloaded (yumed) from the Fedora 9 repo up and running. And, I want to keep it running after I re-boot. My problem is I keep getting this error message from bonicmgr: BOINC is unable to communicate with a project and needs an Internet connection. Please connect to the Internet, then select the 'retry communications' item off the advanced menu. I am connected to the internet. I have selected the 'retry communications item off the advanced menu. I always get: Sat 28 Jun 2008 09:39:50 AM EDT|World Community Grid|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user. Requesting 2 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks and Sat 28 Jun 2008 09:39:55 AM EDT|World Community Grid| Scheduler request failed: Couldn't resolve host name I never had this problem when I installed in F8 from the boinc site rpm. Boinc works in F9 immediately after a new install. By the way, time wasn't wasted last night. I did delve into learning about matters I should have dealt with before. But... Any suggestions on how I get my boinc working. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: BOINC again !? -- I give up.
Hi; I give up. I am filing a bug. On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 09:48 -0600, Tom Weniger wrote: On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 7:50 AM, William Case [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But... Any suggestions on how I get my boinc working. -- Greetings William, I have used the following site to get my boinc going: http://www.gaztronics.net/rc/boinc.php Hope this helps I have followed all of the advice given here. I greatly appreciate everyone's effort to help. However, I still have the original problem. When I yum erase boinc-client and boincmgr and start over with a fresh yum install -- boinc works. It is finding all my projects and running them successfully. Boincmgr reports accurately what boinc is doing and responds to my commands. It is now running in the background. If I where to shutdown my computer and restart, boinc won't restart even though service boinc is running. I can't be more definite than that because I don't have a clue what the problem is. I am not a complete beginner, and no package should be this difficult (two days now) to analyze and get running. The only solution is to file a Fedora bug on boinc and put up with being seared at by the packagers and maintainers. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: BOINC again !? -- I give up.
Hi Craig; On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 12:51 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 14:30 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi; I give up. I am filing a bug. On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 09:48 -0600, Tom Weniger wrote: On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 7:50 AM, William Case [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But... Any suggestions on how I get my boinc working. -- I believe that what Patrick was trying to tell you is that if you are using NetworkManager, then it's entirely possible that networking isn't fully operational when boinc service starts at bootup which would cause it to fail. That can probably be verified by merely issuing '/sbin/service boinc restart' (assuming that restart is an option for the boinc sysv script). If that works, then it might just be easier to put that command in /etc/rc.d/rc.local (/sbin/service boinc restart) Craig Yes, I am using NetworkManager. I have tried one last test. I removed and re-installed boinc. With that, boinc was able to connect to WCG and download 2 more work units. Boinc has only been able to connect to WCG to get work units on a new install -- never after a re-boot. Boinc is processing those work units now. I have since shut down my computer and rebooted. Since the work units are on my machine, my computer is continuing to process those units. It will take approximately 6 hrs to finish processing them. I am waiting to see if then it can automagically re-connect to WCG and obtain further work units. If it can't I will try Patrick's Network Manager solution. If that works, I then have to decide whether this is a Network Manager bug; a Boinc bug; or both. Of course, if boincmgr does successfully reconnect to WCG and download additional work units, I will write the whole thing off as my screwing around too much while Boinc was just trying to do its thing. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: BOINC again !? -- I give up. --correction
[snip] If that works, I then have to decide whether this is a Network Manager bug; a Boinc bug; or both. Of course, if boincmgr does successfully bug; a Boinc bug; or both. Of course, if boinc-clent does successfully reconnect to WCG and download additional work units, I will write the whole thing off as my screwing around too much while Boinc was just trying to do its thing. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO
Hi Patrick and Craig; Thanks a million, I would and thousands of others would never have guessed NetworkManager was BOINC's problem in a thousand years. On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 12:51 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 14:30 -0400, William Case wrote: I believe that what Patrick was trying to tell you is that if you are using NetworkManager, then it's entirely possible that networking isn't fully operational when boinc service starts at bootup which would cause it to fail. That can probably be verified by merely issuing '/sbin/service boinc restart' (assuming that restart is an option for the boinc sysv script). If that works, then it might just be easier to put that command in /etc/rc.d/rc.local (/sbin/service boinc restart) Craig As I said, after re-installing Boinc and then re-booting, I ran a new set of the work units to the end. No new units would download. boincmgr complained about a lack of a connection -- BINGO. I re-booted just to see. No joy -- BINGO I then added '/sbin/service boinc-client restart' to /etc/rc.d/rc.local and re-booted once again. --BINGO Everything was up and running. New work units were down loaded automatically and boinc is happily processing away as I write. N.B. For anyone following this saga and has a similar problem notice one correction. The line is '/sbin/service boinc-client restart', not '/sbin/service boinc restart'. Re: Bug reporting. I think this bug is worth reporting, although you probably know better which details to report regarding NetworkManager. Some poor unlucky shmuck could get caught from 2 days to a week trying to figure out what was wrong. Once again, thanks very much to both of you, and the others that tried to give me a hand. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
gnome-system-monitor applet -- can't see or or change the views
Hi; In F9 I find that all the view options of gnome-system-monitor applet other than Memory Maps and Open Files are greyed out -- and those do nothing discernible. I can no longer choose All processes, Active processes or My processes. The processes reflected in the main window are only the processes of the logged in (or effective) user. I now have to sudo gnome-system-monitor to see root processes etc. I leave gnome-system-monitor on all the time. I have it running on the upper left corner of my top panel. A quick glance up tells me what is going on and using the applet is faster than ]$ ps -aux for just a checking the existence of a process. Is this restriction to user processes only, deliberate, or is there something I have to configure, or is it a bug? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Double checking grub-install ??
Thank you D. Hugh Redelmeier; On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 01:25 -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | From: William Case [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 1) stage1 is one line that is installed on the mbr within the 64 bytes | or 512 bits that is reserved on the disk for booting purposes. Boot records are 512 bytes. The code must fit into about 440 bytes of this. Yes, one should always double check each fact as one writes something. And, the little lesson was nice as well. However, I think the point of my quick description of the boot loading process was to show responders to my original question that the grub problem I had was a little deeper and more complex than the normal grub screw-up. So I am not too concerned about that small inaccuracy; most people who actually tried to help me caught the point. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Hardware browser??
Hi Beartooth; I am answering this at the risk of offending you. On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 15:16 +, Beartooth wrote: On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:36:53 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 18:44 +, Beartooth wrote: Fedora always used to have a hardware browser; for a while it had two, one with endless cryptic detail, and one highly simplified. Now I find neither. Has it (or have they) been renamed? Can I add it with yum? Some other way? yum install lshw-gui should see you sorted. Hmm ... Neat name, impressive command; but is there a way to make it usable by subtechnoids? Can I pipe the -xml or -html options into a browser, for instance? Or something into baobab for it to use as labels? Most recent example : I got the livna display configuration kmod- nvidia stuff, and it helped; but it didn't tell me whether to use the nvidia configurator or the livna one, or both; and the livna page warned me that I might have any of several cards. I'd like to check that last, and tackle it again. One of the old hardware browsers, iirc, would have enabled even me to find out what video card I have. (An electronic friend is kind enough to assemble machines to meet my budget, every year or three; but I never needed to know one video card from another -- till I got this blankety-blank new monitor ...) Because of the advice given in response to your original post and wanting a hardware browser myself, I downloaded and installed lshw-gui. A little confusing at first, the display needs to be better configured. Are you clicking on each of the components to get the details ? (i.e. It's parts tree is horizontal rather than verical) Sorry to take up your time, if you already understood this. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: gnome-system-monitor applet -- [SOLVED]
On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 09:21 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi; In F9 I find that all the view options of gnome-system-monitor applet other than Memory Maps and Open Files are greyed out -- and those do nothing discernible. I can no longer choose All processes, Active processes or My processes. [snip] One of the processes (anyone will do) has to be selected before the View tab is un-greyed and allows the user to pick a category. If I remember correctly, gnome-system-monitor applet used to start with the first process automatically selected. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??
Hi; I have started this thread again as a new thread. The previous Double checking grub-install ?? lead off in all kinds of plausible directions. I think I now have more of a focus. To recap: I am getting a double Fedora grub splashimage at boot. I have a dual boot system with WindowsXP on sda and Fedora 9 on sdb. I have some experience with installing grub but made a typo type mistake during a grub install a month ago and I think (??) that might have been the root of my double splashimage problem. To check the mbr, I ran on /dev/sda: ~]# dd bs=512 count=1 if=/dev/sda | od -Ax -tx1z -v it returned: ... 000160 7c be 85 7d e8 40 00 eb 0e be 8a 7d e8 38 00 eb |[EMAIL PROTECTED] 000170 06 be 94 7d e8 30 00 be 99 7d e8 2a 00 eb fe 47 ...}.0...}.*...G 000180 52 55 42 20 00 47 65 6f 6d 00 48 61 72 64 20 44 RUB .Geom.Hard D 000190 69 73 6b 00 52 65 61 64 00 20 45 72 72 6f 72 00 isk.Read. Error. 0001a0 bb 01 00 b4 0e cd 10 ac 3c 00 75 f4 c3 00 00 00 .u. ... [Notice the GRUB string on the second and third line and Error on the fourth line] Then, I ran on /dev/sdb: ]# dd bs=512 count=1 if=/dev/sdb | od -Ax -tx1z -v it returned: ... 000160 7c be 85 7d e8 40 00 eb 0e be 8a 7d e8 38 00 eb |[EMAIL PROTECTED] 000170 06 be 94 7d e8 30 00 be 99 7d e8 2a 00 eb fe 47 ...}.0...}.*...G 000180 52 55 42 20 00 47 65 6f 6d 00 48 61 72 64 20 44 RUB .Geom.Hard D 000190 69 73 6b 00 52 65 61 64 00 20 45 72 72 6f 72 00 isk.Read. Error. 0001a0 bb 01 00 b4 0e cd 10 ac 3c 00 75 f4 c3 00 00 00 .u. ... [Notice the GRUB string on the second and third line as well, and Error on the fourth line] Could this double grub be the source of my problem ? If it is, how do I remove it (from sdb -- I presume)? Others have suggested that the double splashimage is just a video mode switch but then how do I account for the grub appearing on both mbr's -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??
Hi Mikkel; On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 10:54 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: William Case wrote: Hi; I have started this thread again as a new thread. The previous Double checking grub-install ?? lead off in all kinds of plausible directions. I think I now have more of a focus. To recap: I am getting a double Fedora grub splashimage at boot. I have a dual boot system with WindowsXP on sda and Fedora 9 on sdb. I have some experience with installing grub but made a typo type mistake during a grub install a month ago and I think (??) that might have been the root of my double splashimage problem. If I remember correctly from the first thread, you would get a brief flash on the screen with Fedora at the top of the screen, a short pause, and then the proper splash screen with Fedora on the bottom. This is a good indication that ether the video card or the monitor are changing modes to properly display the splash screen. I would suspect that it is the monitor changing modes to match the video output. Yes. And that was where I was going to leave. There was a suggestion on the list that I should file a bug against grub. I was about to do that this morning and thought that I should check the first 512 bytes of each disk just to be sure. I checked and low and behold I found GRUB listed in the first block (mbr ??) of both disks. So I thought I should chase that down before I filed an inappropriate bug report. While it will not prove this isn't the problem, it would be interesting to see what happens if you log into the GUI, and then hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 and see if you get the same kind behavior. Ctrl-Alt-F1 gives me normal behaviour. No pauses or anything but straight to: Fedora 9 (Sulphur) kernel-2.6-etc. (tty1) CASE login: Didn't the problem go away when you turned off the splash screen, and ran Grub in the text mode? Yes, it does. Which makes the problem a Fedora grub problem, not just a grub problem -- I would think. Mikkel -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 17:32 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:43:04 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi; I have started this thread again as a new thread. The previous Double checking grub-install ?? lead off in all kinds of plausible directions. I think I now have more of a focus. To recap: I am getting a double Fedora grub splashimage at boot. What exactly does that mean? About a week ago (I don't re-boot very often), I noticed the Fedora grub splash screen appear for 1/2 second or less, then go blank and pause for a second or two. Then a new splash screen appeared and everything progressed fine from there. This occurs definitely during the grub stage of bootup. Can you hit keys to enter the first GRUB menu and stop it from booting any entry automatically? No. The image is incomplete in the first instance and disappers too quickly. I have a dual boot system with WindowsXP on sda and Fedora 9 on sdb. And what does your boot sequence look like? NTLDR on sda? Do you chainload from sda into sdb? And what does your sdb GRUB config look like? Is it really GRUB in the MBR of sdb instead of the boot sector of your boot/root partition? I have some experience with installing grub but made a typo type mistake during a grub install a month ago and I think (??) that might have been the root of my double splashimage problem. To check the mbr, I ran on /dev/sda: ~]# dd bs=512 count=1 if=/dev/sda | od -Ax -tx1z -v it returned: ... 000160 7c be 85 7d e8 40 00 eb 0e be 8a 7d e8 38 00 eb |[EMAIL PROTECTED] What does it print for the line at offset 0? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# dd bs=512 count=1 if=/dev/sda | od -Ax -tx1z -v 1+0 records in 1+0 records out 512 bytes (512 B) copied, 6.288e-05 s, 8.1 MB/s 00 eb 48 90 8e d0 bc 00 7c fb 8e d8 be 00 7c 8e c0 .H.|.|.. 10 bf 00 06 b9 00 01 f3 a5 e9 00 8a be ae 07 b9 04 20 00 83 c6 10 80 3c 80 74 09 80 3c 00 75 5d e2 f1 ..t...u].. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 19:35 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:50:31 -0400, William Case wrote: I checked and low and behold I found GRUB listed in the first block (mbr ??) of both disks. So I thought I should chase that down before I filed an inappropriate bug report. Then what happens if you overwrite sda's mbr with NTLDR? To me it is still not clear what your boot sequence looks like. You say this is a dual-boot machine. Unless you prefer ntldr, you would store grub in sda. However, you say you store it in sdb. So, how exactly do you boot? Do you really chainload sdb from sda? Sorry Michael, I was trying to avoid re-telling a long tale of woe. Here it is; About four weeks ago my commercial boot loader (BootMagic) was blown away by the WindowsXP sp3 download and install. Fine and good: that didn't surprise me -- it was an old version of BootMagic kept out of stubbornness. I had paid for it before I started using Linux so I was going to use it. I had climbed the grub learning curve a couple of years ago, so I am fairly confident about using the grub shell or grub-install. When BootMagic was blown away, I just installed grub. During a first attempt at a grub install I had an ooops! So I just re-installed grub and everything seemed fine. The intent was to install grub on /dev/sda dual booting to sdb /boot. (BIOS loads in the natural hd0, hd1 order.) Because it was an oops (typo) and not a confusion, I didn't pay attention to the mistake, so now a month later I have forgotten exactly what I did wrong. Besides I thought I had recovered. About a week ago (I don't re-boot very often), I noticed the Fedora grub splash screen appear for 1/2 second or less, then go blank and pause for a second or two. Then a new splash screen appeared and everything progressed fine from there. This occurs definitely during the grub stage of bootup. I didn't do anything then because I was going to fresh install Fedora 9 with a new grub. Which I have done. But the double splash screen still appears. To add to the confusion, I installed a new motherboard with a new and different video chip three months ago. Since I don't boot often, I could have not noticed the double splashimage for some time. This would support the changing video mode suggestion. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 13:15 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: William Case wrote: Hi Mikkel; Yes. And that was where I was going to leave it. There was a suggestion on the list that I should file a bug against grub. I was about to do that this morning and thought that I should check the first 512 bytes of each disk just to be sure. I checked and low and behold I found GRUB listed in the first block (mbr ??) of both disks. So I thought I should chase that down before I filed an inappropriate bug report. This should not be a problem. Because the part of Grub on the MBR does not display anything - it just loads the next part of Grub. I understand the difference between stage1, (stage1_5) and stage2. The MBR on the second hard disk would not be used unless it was chained to by another copy of Grub, That is the only possiblity left, I would think. In all the searching I have done, the video mode problem seems to be with grub2 -- not grub-0.97-33.fc9.x86_64 or if you tell the BIOS to boot from the second hard drive instead of the first. (Or if you swap the drives, or remove the first drive...) Didn't the problem go away when you turned off the splash screen, and ran Grub in the text mode? Yes, it does. Which makes the problem a Fedora grub problem, not just a grub problem -- I would think. Unless Fedora modified Grub to use splash images, it would be a Grub problem. It may be specific to your hardware combination. I believe Fedora has substituted it's own splashimage, at least the splash image has the Fedora colours and logo + containing the grub menu selection rectangle . Mikkel -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??
Hi Michael; On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 19:54 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:10:29 -0400, William Case wrote: Can you hit keys to enter the first GRUB menu and stop it from booting any entry automatically? No. The image is incomplete in the first instance and disappers too quickly. Can you influence it by editing /boot/grub/grub.conf and - disabling the splash image commenting-out splashimage produces a grub basic menu without double loading. - disabling the hidden menu commenting hiddenmenu or not, does not prevent the loading of a double splashimage. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 21:13 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:33:10 -0400, William Case wrote: the video mode problem seems to be with grub2 -- not grub-0.97-33.fc9.x86_64 ?? Can't comment on grub2 yet as I've seen it only once or twice, I think, and it's a different code base. Your recent description of the symptoms sounds like the image data are loaded prior to setting a video mode. That's something to report to grub2 upstream, especially if Fedora 9's grub works for you. You got it backwards. I was saying I don't have grub2, that is why I am persisting with solving this problem. Fedora 9's grub isn't working for me! -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??
Hi; On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 14:33 -0400, William Case wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 13:15 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: William Case wrote: Hi Mikkel; [snip] Just to see what happens how would I go about safely removing the stage1 of Grub from /dev/sdb ?? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??
Hi Tim; On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 13:28 +0930, Tim wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 10:43 -0400, William Case wrote: If it is, how do I remove it (from sdb -- I presume)? Extra stuff shouldn't matter, if you configure the first thing to take over. i.e. I can have ten discs in a box, GRUB on all of them. But if the first thing the BIOS does is read GRUB on the first drive, and that then loads the next stage properly, it doesn't matter what's on any other drive. Did you do what I suggested, long ago, issuing manual GRUB commands to set up your system? (i.e. NOT using grub-install script). No, I haven't yet. I will in the morning. I am not arguing with your suggestion. I, in fact, saved those instructions and went back to the manual to make sure I thoroughly understood what I was doing. I will use them in the morning. If you remember, except for the double splashimage, my system is booting as it should. Rather than simply getting things to work, the challenge to me over the last couple of days has been to fully understand what has been happening. I have managed to dig into the workings of the mbr, grub stages, video modes much deeper than if I had simply left things as a booting problem to fix. As I have said, I have climbed the grub learning curve in the past. This time I wanted to take an active role in actually undoing something or fixing something. grub root (hd. (where /boot is) setup (hd (where BIOS starts to boot from) quit(write the changes) Perhaps I am being just a bit stubborn, but I wanted to learn how to diagnose the problem first, not just write something over top of it. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Double checking grub-install -- LAST POST
Hi Tim and others who may have been watching this thread. On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 20:22 +0930, Tim wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 00:35 -0400, William Case wrote: Perhaps I am being just a bit stubborn, but I wanted to learn how to diagnose the problem first, not just write something over top of it. Understanding what's going on is fine, and good. I don't discount the importance of it. The solution for a duff MBR is to rewrite the MBR with what you want. You don't uninstall an unwanted bootloader, you put another boot record (that you want) over the top. Messed around a bit more; but the final outcome was the double splashimages continue: 1) I ran fixmbr from my WindowsXP istallation/rescue disk. in case there was some ghost of something left over from BootMagic. 2) then, I ran from my Fedora installation/rescue disk on the rescue command line: grub root (hd1,4) setup (hd0) quit Everything grub-like installed fine. So the answer must be grub is switching video modes. I wonder if I should report this as a Fedora bug against grub ? I seem to be the only one with this issue -- and it is not a major issue, just something I was hoping to clean up. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: BOINC again !? -- LAST POST
On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 19:57 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 22:52 -0400, William Case wrote: [SNIP] report it just like you did above...if the packager has questions, he'll ask but I would suggest that you file it against NetworkManager package. It's important to work out all of the issues with NetworkManager to solve them once and for all. Craig I reported it as a bug. Just got the following reply: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=453317 Boinc is probably starting so soon after NetworkManager that the network is not up yet. It's technically a bug in Boinc that it doesn't wait for a network connection and periodically re-try to send/grab the data. But for the moment, you can add the line: NETWORKWAIT=yes to /etc/sysconfig/network and startup will block for 10 seconds or until a network connection is up, whichever is sooner. I added the suggested line, because it probably covers all instances of shutdowns, crashes etc. whereas the rc.local solution only works with a normal clean startup. Thanks all. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Can't get CNN video sound ??
Hi; I am somewhat of a media newbie. In F8 I was able to setup/get sound with videos. YouTube and CNN for example, remain silent for me in F9. I know I probably need a plugin; in F8 out of frustration I just downloaded mp3 -- I think. 1) how do I get sound for youtube and CNN? FireFox about says I have the following plugins; File name: nswrapper_32_64.libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 9.0 r124 File name: libtotem-basic-plugin.so The Totem 2.23.2 plugin handles video and audio streams. File name: libtotem-complex-plugin.so The Totem 2.23.2 plugin handles video and audio streams. File name: libtotem-cone-plugin.so The Totem 2.23.2 plugin handles video and audio streams. File name: libtotem-gmp-plugin.so The Totem 2.23.2 plugin handles video and audio streams. File name: libtotem-mully-plugin.so DivX Web Player version 1.4.0.233 File name: libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so The Totem 2.23.2 plugin handles video and audio streams. File name: librhythmbox-itms-detection-plugin.so This plug-in detects the presence of iTunes when opening iTunes Store URLs in a web page with Firefox. File name: gcjwebplugin.so The GCJ Web Browser Plugin (using IcedTea) executes Java applets. File name: npwrapper.so nspluginwrapper is a cross-platform NPAPI plugin viewer, in particular for linux/i386 plugins. This is beta software available under the terms of the GNU General Public License. 2) More generally, how does one go about determining what plugin, file or codec one needs when confronted with a video, sound, movie etc. that won't play? So far, I have just been randomly downloading stuff until it works, or, taking suggestions from people who seem to know, but not being able to really figure it out for myself. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Can't get CNN video sound ??
Gawd Anne, you frightened me. On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 20:19 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 03 July 2008 20:08:25 William Case wrote: I am somewhat of a media newbie. In F8 I was able to setup/get sound with videos. YouTube and CNN for example, remain silent for me in F9. Silly question, Bill. Have you looked at mixer settings? It seems that there are many hidden channels on a lot of sound card, hidden, that is, on the mixer applet, so it's possible that PCM or some such is muted or set very low. Not a silly question. Hadn't even thought to check. It would be the most obvious thing to do first. I was afraid I was going to end up looking reallly stupid. But every thing in the mixer applet is on and set at more than 1/2 of full volume. Anne -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Can't get CNN video sound ??
On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 16:55 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi; On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 13:04 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 22:39 +0300, Antti J. Huhtala wrote: to, 2008-07-03 kello 20:19 +0100, Anne Wilson kirjoitti: The issue of flash, pulseaudio and sound is typically solved by installing libflashsupport Installed libflashsupport Checked with $ rpm -qa libflashsupport libflashsupport-000-0.5.svn20070904.x86_64 Double checked with an updated locate like Antti J. Huhtala suggested YES = /usr/lib64/libflashsupport.so NO = /usr/lib/libflashsupport.so Have tried checking the repositories for a 32 bit libflashsupport.so. Would there just be a link between the two? A google for 'media' tutorial or manual is getting me no where; either too broad or narrow search. Since I am new at this, could you suggest the correct search criteria I should be using so I can take a couple of days and dig into the whole media (recording, video, sound, editing etc. etc.) subject. I appreciate your help, but on this end I am following instructions by just pushing buttons without any understanding of what I am doing or why. I have checked out Wikipedia but the media player page is a stub that leads to lists of codecs and players but offers no explanation of what the various components are, or what they do, or why they are needed or how they interrelate. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Can't get CNN video sound ?? -[SOLVED]
Thanks Craig; On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 14:32 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 17:25 -0400, William Case wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 16:55 -0400, William Case wrote: [snip] you must not be checking too hard because http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/releases/9/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/ shows both an i386 and an x86_64 version Never been there before. Always relied on yum or yumex; neither showed the 32 bit libflashsupport. Went to the everything site, clicked on the rpm. It downloaded and installed itself -- now I have sound. [snip] -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Can't get CNN video sound ?? -[SOLVED]
Hi Craig; On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 15:28 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 17:59 -0400, William Case wrote: Thanks Craig; On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 14:32 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 17:25 -0400, William Case wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 16:55 -0400, William Case wrote: [snip] you must not be checking too hard because http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/releases/9/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/ shows both an i386 and an x86_64 version Never been there before. Always relied on yum or yumex; neither showed the 32 bit libflashsupport. Went to the everything site, clicked on the rpm. It downloaded and installed itself -- now I have sound. I don't use yumex, never have. yum would have installed both i386 x86_64 versions unless you have some exclusion in yum.conf - I would look at yumex with suspicion if that is the tool you used. h -- curiouser and curiouser; in first attempt at installing libflashsupport I used yum not yumex. sudo yum install libflashsupport and got only the x86_64 version. After your next post, I su - to root and yum install libflashsupport -- with and without various versions of a 32 and a i386 suffix and got nothing. Finally, on your advice, I browsed to the Everything site dug down to /Packages/ found libflashsupport-000-0.5.svn20070904.i386.rpm clicked on it; got a couple of download type guis I have never seen before. The rpm downloaded and installed the 32 bit package. And, voilá, I now have sound. yum search libflashsupport should show both versions. Yes, yum search did show both versions, but apparently didn't tell yum install about it. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Double checking grub-install -- LAST POSSSSSSS
On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 11:31 +0930, Tim wrote: William Case stands high up on the bridge, puts his trumpet to his lips, and plays the last post taaah taah thhh: So the answer must be grub is switching video modes. I wonder if I should report this as a Fedora bug against grub ? Well, if it is switching video modes, it probably needs to do so. I wouldn't call that a bug. One of the posts in this thread suggested that grub should be able to start with the correct mode -- not start then switch. But... what do I know? If the blanking is your monitor blacking out while it resyncs, that's also an expected behaviour. Yes. If it hasn't selected the right mode in the first place. Just checking the obvious, but does your grub.conf file have two splashimage commands? No -- only one splashimage. I don't recall if you've shown us the file. Yes, I have shown it a couple of times. Most recently yesterday, July 2, in response to Michael Schwendt. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora how to
On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 16:03 +0200, Jim van Wel wrote: Hi, Maybe handy, I use this site to setup my fedora machines quick! http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f9.html Great resource. I now have it bookmarked in my Fedora 9 file. I wish I had found it sooner. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: IRC clients?
Hi; On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 10:09 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 10:55 -0400, Jeffrey Ross wrote: What (GUI) IRC clients are available pre-compiled for Fedora 9? In the past I've used Xirc but I don't seem to be able to find a version precompiled for F9 (x86_64) There is xchat. If you want to keep it simple, I use xchat-gnome. xchat-gnome is just a simplified front end for xchat so you have to download and install both. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Sunday Morning idle queries ??
Hi; Just wondering about a few things: 1) I noticed a program in the latest update list called 'augeas' for editing config files. I have gone to their site etc.-- looks interesting. Has anyone have experience using it and would like to comment? 2) I have just installed kmod-nvidia from livnia. I have been watching the discussion here on its effectiveness re: Xorg etc. It seems to work fine for me. Now the question is: which is the best 3D application (window manager??) to use with it? Compiz? 3) My project for the next while is to work out how various multimedia work. The more I delve into the subject the more confusing it gets. I can find lots of info on the various pieces of hardware used, but then what? How do various software components fit together e.g. gstreamer, xine, Totem, ripping, burning, editing, codecs, audio (drivers), video (drivers), etc., etc. Info and howtos on individual pieces of software exist, but I can't seem to find anything online or a textbook that puts it all together in an overview. Wikipedia, for example, is full of stubs on this subject. Does anyone have suggestions of where to look for some kind of summary that offers explanations rather than just howtos? Rome will not rise or fall based on these questions, but if you are sitting in front of your computer right now looking for a good reason to procrastinate over real work, give my questions a whirl. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: sendmail
Tim; I may be way off base here; I am not up on things dealing with networks in general and Network Manager in particular. But ... On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 11:02 +0930, Tim wrote: Tim: An alternative would be to put a restart script into the Network Manager Dispatcher directory. That way sendmail will be restarted any time the network goes down and up. A smart script would check whether it should restart a running service, or do nothing to a deliberately stopped service. Knute Johnson: Could you provide a little more detail on exactly how to do this? I've attached a not-so-intelligent script for restarting the NTP daemon (it starts or restarts it, but doesn't do nothing if NTPD were manually stopped beforehand). When a network interface comes up, it starts NTP if it's not already running, it restarts it if were. And when the interface goes down, it stops it. The LOGGER bit, in it, is about putting entries into /var/log/messages, as well. You could modify it to start/restart sendmail, or any other service, and modify it leave to leave the service running all the time. I think I had a similar problem with Boinc; got lots of suggestions from the list. Some of them even worked. I filed a bug against Network Manager and got the following response: Status|NEW |CLOSED Resolution||NOTABUG --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-07-02 19:04 EST --- Boinc is probably starting so soon after NetworkManager that the network is not up yet. It's technically a bug in Boinc that it doesn't wait for a network connection and periodically re-try to send/grab the data. But for the moment, you can add the line: NETWORKWAIT=yes to /etc/sysconfig/network and startup will block for 10 seconds or until a network connection is up, whichever is sooner. This solution avoids the restart. Maybe this will work for sendmail as well. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Any suggestions for Really Annoying Alarms !!?
Hi; Yesterday, I once again missed an appointment/activity I really wanted to make. Its Fedora's fault so I thought I would ask here first. Has anyone found a really annoying, really persistent alarm program or applet that can find you anywhere? What, from your personal experience, would you recommend? We have all been there. The time to leave was approaching -- I said to myself -- OK time to go, but I will just fix this little thing first. I dove into Fedora, and came up for air two and a half hours later. I had completely missed my appointment. There is lots of alarm programs out there, but I want something that is simple to set, then grabs you by the throat and won't let you go until you do whatever it is you are supposed to do. Years and years ago I used to have one in dos that was, in the jargon of the day, Terminate and Stay Resident. Once you set that sucker it would never let you ignore it -- a rising crescendo of flashing screens and beeps and baps -- really fffing annoying. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Any suggestions for Really Annoying Alarms !!?
Thanks Bruno; On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 11:21 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 08:15:19 -0400, William Case [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone found a really annoying, really persistent alarm program or applet that can find you anywhere? What, from your personal experience, would you recommend? Put a shutdown command in crontab. That should get your attention. Great idea! No, no really. Ever since I got your post, I have been chuckling to myself over the image of how mad I would be at myself if I actually put it into operation. I just might try it! -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Any suggestions for Really Annoying Alarms !!? -- [SOLVED]
Thanks everyone; For those who have been watching. I have decided what I am going to do. On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 19:18 +0100, Chris Jones wrote: Great idea! No, no really. Ever since I got your post, I have been chuckling to myself over the image of how mad I would be at myself if I actually put it into operation. I just might try it! Made me smile too ;) Must confess, of all the solutions suggested it undoubtedly wins the 'most annoying' prize... Chris 1) install kalarm 2) build myself a Bruno script that uses crontab to 'shutdown' for those times when I just gotta go. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Linux api for device description?
Hi Tom; Kind of unorthadox, because I forget the right way off hand, but parted /dev/dvd (parted) p gives me the name in the header. On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 19:11 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: Before I resort to digging up the source code, does anyone happen to know how to get from a device name like /dev/dvd to a description like Toshiba Model XYZ CDRW? I see tools like k3b display that info, but I don't know off hand the api call or magic /proc/whatever file that allows me to dig up the description starting at the /dev/ name. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Linux api for device description?
On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 19:27 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi Tom; Kind of unorthadox, because I forget the right way off hand, but parted /dev/dvd (parted) p gives me the name in the header. Sorry Tom, just tried parted, again; it doesn't work on /dev/dvd. On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 19:11 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: Before I resort to digging up the source code, does anyone happen to know how to get from a device name like /dev/dvd to a description like Toshiba Model XYZ CDRW? I see tools like k3b display that info, but I don't know off hand the api call or magic /proc/whatever file that allows me to dig up the description starting at the /dev/ name. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Fedora 9 'git' source kernel ??
Hi; Just checking that I am doing this correctly. I want to start exploring the Linux kernel. (I realize when the time comes I should ask any in depth questions elsewhere -- but for now I am just looking for start help.) I have 'git' installed. I am ready to download the Fedora 9 source. Members of my local LUG have advised me that I should be sure to download the 'git' kernel. They mostly use Debian. I don't see anything in the source repo that might equal a 'git' Kernel -- just the regular ordinary source rpm; kernel-2.6.25-14.fc9.src.rpm Should I download that or is there somewhere else an animal called or set up as a 'git' kernel?? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 9 'git' source kernel ??
On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 16:15 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 16:03 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi Patrick; Thank you for asking. On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 14:20 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Bill, I'm not too sure of your technical background so it's hard to make recommendations. I used to teach operating systems many years ago, and there were some things that always caused difficulty for students, because they don't arise in normal programming: WARNING: What follows is some unembarrassed hubris! It wouldn't be hubris if it were embarrassed. Logically true, but a repetition of ideas shifts the emphasis I have no technical background as you would call it. But that has never hindered me before. My Degree is in Arts: History, English and Philosophy. Even that doesn't mean much -- I went to University in the '60s -- didn't study much. That's not your background, that's your education :-) Only the first paragraph. The second paragraph got snipped. [...] Bibliography Spelling never was a strong suit. Thank God for spell checkers -- but missed that one. (Skipped the course on spelling did we :-) That's your background. [...] The book that gave me the most assistance was Computer Organization Design The Hardware / Software Interface, Of course. Another classic. IIRC the Bach covers more ground than Lyons, but Lyons is literally a blow-by-blow account of how the thing works line by line. Tanenbaum is always a good read, but his approach is micro-kernel based and not that useful for looking at Linux (despite Linux 0.1 being based on Minix). This is also true of a lot of academic textbooks, because they want you to understand the stuff from first principles and some at least push a microkernel agenda (no religious wars about this please). [...] Probably all true. Your critiques are a strong argument for exploring the kernel myself. My current interest in the kernel is because: a) the kernel is naturally the next thing to dig into, and, b) reading and questioning can only take you so far; a time comes when one has to start exploring and using the real thing. I have tentatively used 'LXR Linux' and 'google code search' for some very basic questions and searches. Now that the bragging is over: I would really like to find a logical way to climb into the functioning of the basic kernel while keeping blind allies and logic traps to a minimum. I would use all suggestions and assistance that comes my way in order to get started properly . Understanding a kernel is a holistic endeavour, i.e. you can't really start at the beginning, go on until you come to the end, and then stop as the King of Hearts told Alice, so to grok any part requires you to grok all the other parts first (not *completely* true, but it sounds nice :-) Yes, I have been down that road with others. It seems to be a bit of academic religious proselytizing. You are a lowly student and therefore could never understand unless you devotedly sit at my feet and study for years. I have no expectation of starting at the top and working down. But the kernel must have entry points and exit points. Examining where the major services start and end must have some value. Besides most learning is iterative -- one starts somewhere, understands a bit, and keeps going around until they are back at the start ready add more. That said, tldp.org has some stuff, e.g. http://tldp.org/LDP/lki/index.html (Linux 2.4 Internals, a bit old but still useful). You might find http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ interesting as well. I've no doubt lurkers will appear to recommend other sources. poc Linux from Scratch looks interesting. Probably has everything in it that I want to look at -- at least to start. Thanks Patrick. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 9 'git' source kernel ??
Hi Patrick; On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 18:28 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 17:38 -0400, William Case wrote: Yes, I have been down that road with others. It seems to be a bit of academic religious proselytizing. You are a lowly student and therefore could never understand unless you devotedly sit at my feet and study for years. Then you misunderstand me. I have no desire to put you off, rather to convey that this is exciting stuff. No, No, Patrick then you misunderstood me. I was trying to give you a small complement for dealing in a straight manner rather than the usual pedantic crap one has to put up with ordinarily. poc -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
RhythmBox wants text/html decoder plugin ??
Hi; Error messages: A text/html decoder plugin is required to play this stream, but not installed. I can find no such plugin. Trying to get http://www.cbc.ca/listen/streams/r1_ottawa_32.html working. Plus others. NPR http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=3t=live1islist=false opens the NPR radio in its own Media window. I would like to get it to open it with RhythmBox. It was working in RhythmBox before using shoutcast-playlist.pls. Now I get http://scfire-dll-aa02.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1062: Resource Not Found Any suggestions. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: RhythmBox wants text/html decoder plugin ??
Hi Tim and Tim and Others; On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 22:53 -0700, Timothy Selivanow wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 01:08 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi Tim; What is really annoying is that I had both working for a week. Then, today after some upgrades (I am not sure there is a connection) I went to use Rhythmbox and I started getting text/html decoder plugin warning. Bill, I can successfully play the audio stream you are wanting by using http://www.cbc.ca/livemedia/cbcr1-ottawa.asx as the URL instead of the one you listed above. I did it by looking at the source of the webpage (to my knowledge, rhythmbox has never been able to parse and extract a stream from HTML...how would it know what stream if there were more than one?) and creating a new Internet Radio Station. Also, since it is a windows media stream, you'll need gstreamer-plugins-bad and/or gstreamer-plugins-ugly (I'm not sure which one specifically, I always install both). I assume you know how/where to get that... I have the good, bad and ugly installed (with dependencies)-- still no go. Tried http://www.cbc.ca/livemedia/cbcr1-ottawa.asx -- no go. I am now getting the warning requires plugin: Windows Media Audio 8 decoder. What is really frustrating is when I originally opened Rhythmbox there were a list of FM stations available -- including the CBC. Therefore, somehow, the CBC FM stations are playable on Linux and through Rhythmbox without additional downloads. I have been listening to CBC1 and CBC2 for over a week. I deleted the entire original play list by mistake and am unable to retrieve it. I just wanted the CBC from that list anyways. I got NPR working by being directed to the shoutcast-playlist.pls site. I futzed about and got it working (not sure EXACTLY what I did) in Rhythmbox. The Listen using the NPR Media Player (requires Adobe Flash) link works, opening a special window in FireFox but won't play now in Rhythmbox. I can re-futz if I know I have something like the CBC working. Why everything should suddenly quit is beyond me! -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
hp-toolbox and refilled cartridges ??
Hi all; Sorry for the number of posts lately. I am trying to work my way through F9 fixing and tweaking all the little issues that have been around on my machine for the last 2 - 3 Fedora versions. I am almost finished. I recently had my HP #74 refilled rather than purchasing a new one. It works fine but hp-toolbox (and the WindowsXP gui thingie) continues to tell me that the black cartridge is still very low. Does HP have some secret little way of telling I am using a refill and therefore refuses to acknowledge it? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Compiling -- gcc -- Lex Yacc
Hi; I am working my way through the compiling process. I want to be precise about my question so that responders do not waste time on answering the wrong question. Where can I find/see which preprocessor, lexical analysiser, parser etc. the gcc compliler is using in Fedora? What order are they being used in and any other instructions or agruments that are being passed to them by gcc (the compiler) besides the original/modified code? I have gone through 'info gcc' but that does not seem to lead to the answer of my specific question. I have read as much as I could regarding 'make'. That didn't seem to have an answer either. Maybe I missed it! I know the answers, from reading patches and pieces (cpp, lex and Yacc -- I think). But seeing is believing. Somewhere (which I can't seem to find) there must be a declaration, or official text or manual that says for sure that I have a certain version of gcc that definetly calls on these specific programs. All the reading I have which explains adequately what each program does only has a generalized definition (eg. first a preprocessor is used, then some lexical analysiser, followed by a parser etc.). I also have manuals on cpp and lex and yacc. But the two, gcc and the component program are never connected. I want to look somewhere, preferably on my system that says your system uses such and such. It would be nice if there was a nice little script that said: make /myprogram | cpp | lex | yacc | ld | asm myexcprogam. I know it doesn't exist, so how would I fill in the information myself? Where can/do I look? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Compiling -- gcc -- Lex Yacc
Thanks Patrick; I am not being defensive, but ... On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 16:16 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 13:38 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi; I am working my way through the compiling process. I want to be precise about my question so that responders do not waste time on answering the wrong question. Where can I find/see which preprocessor, lexical analysiser, parser etc. the gcc compliler is using in Fedora? What order are they being used in and any other instructions or agruments that are being passed to them by gcc (the compiler) besides the original/modified code? Bill, you seem to have some misconceptions. Although lexical analysis and parsing are inevitably involved in compilation, it doesn't mean they are visible as separate processes. In fact the 'gcc' manual says Compilation can involve up to four stages: preprocessing, compilation proper, assembly and linking, always in that order. Note that it doesn't mention lexing and parsing, since these are subsumed under compilation proper. Although not explained that way in Wikipedia, for example, I had come to understand that. It is more a problem of lack of vocabulary at to ask a question properly at this stage when one is relatively new to a subject, than it is a lack of understanding. I have gone through 'info gcc' but that does not seem to lead to the answer of my specific question. I have read as much as I could regarding 'make'. That didn't seem to have an answer either. Maybe I missed it! 'Make' just calls other programs according to a recipe, some of the rules for which are built-in. It has nothing specific to do with the actual mechanics of compiling. Yes. Simply based on an outside hope that some of the make commands might be revealing. I know the answers, from reading patches and pieces (cpp, lex and Yacc -- I think). 'cpp' is the preprocessor, which handles things like #defines and #includes. However 'lex' and 'yacc' are *not* the lexical analysis and parsing phases (in the GNU universe the equivalents are actually 'flex' and 'bison'). They are tools used some time in the past when the compiler itself was being written to *generate* a lexical analyzer and parser. In fact I don't remember offhand if gcc even uses them but I suspect not (some features of C and C++ syntax make it tricky to handle with yacc, though it can be done). Even if it does, you won't see them being invoked when compiling a program. An example of how far someone without the technical language sometimes has to reach in order to explain what they want to know. But seeing is believing. Somewhere (which I can't seem to find) there must be a declaration, or official text or manual that says for sure that I have a certain version of gcc that definetly calls on these specific programs. gcc -v prog.c will show you what's happening in excruciating detail. I am up to working it through in excruciating detail. Looking at the source code for 'gcc' is an illuminating experience. Note that it's a very large complex program but patience is rewarded. That is how I got here; trying to look at kernel code in excruciating detail. That led me to review some of what I had taught myself about C; which led me to look at how some code is dealt with when compiled. I was getting concerned if I kept pushing back far enough I would have to study genetics to figure out how I got here to ask the damn stupid question in the first place. As well, Markku Kolkka in another post has suggested some sites that look promising. I'll break for a bit; clear my mind and then start reading. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
Hi Anne et al; 2¢ On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 12:18 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 29 July 2008 00:21:22 Ed Greshko wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 28 July 2008 23:08:15 Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 22:04 +0200, Anders Karlsson wrote: * Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20080728 21:48]: On Monday 28 July 2008 20:15:54 Mike Chambers wrote: [snip] Would this help make things better? In theory, yes. In practice, not unless there is moderator support for making sure that non-support threads go to the relevant list. I'm sure we could manage that. :) /Anders I don't think we could handle that. This split is a really bad idea. For some of us it is an excellent idea Yes it is an excellent idea. But, sadly, it probably won't work since it relies on reasonable humans to understand and be willing and able to separate their posts among the newly created lists. Or a moderator willing to kick off anyone who refuses to comply Anne I, for one, would miss the occasional Off Topic thread. I have had my interest peaked and had late night working re-invigorated by this list's incidental forays into language usage, international discussions on how things are done elsewhere, teasing, and even the odd frustrated rant. I believe that kind of communications builds a bit of a community that one can count on when one is really in need of OS or Computer help. I know I have come to recognize and respect a good many names on this list. For what it is worth, I have noticed that the OT increases proportionally from the time when the latest version of Fedora has been released. Perhaps that reflects the decline in the number of real problems which need to be fixed and leaves members free to let their minds wander. Our local LUG had a problem with our mailing list being turned into an anti-social set of diatribes by a couple of members who were no more than trolls. In order to avoid them, we set up a second moderated list for 'tech' subjects only. We ended up with long debates over the whether a question belonged on the 'social' list or the 'tech' list. Slowly everyone drifted away from both; with only a few remaining members using the LUG IRC. I don't know what the answer for the current pointless thread(s) is other than to ignore them for the time being, complain a bit, and hope that other members will stop feeding the troll. But, my experience says setting up an additional mailing list doesn't really solve much and can be harmful to a nice little community of interests. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
LCD Samsung SyncMaster 2232GW display setup ??
Hi; I have a brand new LCD Samsung SyncMaster 2232GW Monitor. The system-config-display does not have this exact LCD display registered. It does offer the option of a Generic 1680 X 1050 LCD Display. However when I choose this and re-log in, everything remains unchanged at Generic Monitor 1600 X 1200 (my previous CRT setting). I would like to get the 1680 x 1050 resolution on the Linux side of my dual boot system. I would manually change my xorg.conf file, but man xorg.conf remains silent about how to input the monitor specifics for a LCD plus adding its resolution sizes. My graphics card is nvidia, Aug 01 17:21:24 Updated: kmod-nvidia-2.6.25.11-97.fc9.x86_64-173.14.12-2.lvn9.x86_64 It should work. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
My clock applet is broken. Is this a Fedora, Gnome or Evolution problem?
Hi; I used to be able to click on the clock/date applet in the notification area and get a drop down list of tasks and a calendar which I used frequently. Now a single click just removes the applet and produces a warning dialogue that says Clock has quit unexpectedly If you reload a panel object, it will automatically be added back to the panel. Is this a bug? Who should I report it to? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: LCD Samsung SyncMaster 2232GW display setup ??
Thanks Tim; On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 13:01 +0930, Tim wrote: On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 23:17 -0400, William Case wrote: I have a brand new LCD Samsung SyncMaster 2232GW Monitor. The system-config-display does not have this exact LCD display registered. It does offer the option of a Generic 1680 X 1050 LCD Display. However when I choose this and re-log in, everything remains unchanged at Generic Monitor 1600 X 1200 (my previous CRT setting). I would like to get the 1680 x 1050 resolution on the Linux side of my dual boot system. Have you set your screen resolution preferences? That's a personal setting, separate from the display configuration. For Gnome, look in the personal hardware preferences sub-menu. Yes personal preferences were set to 1680 x 1050. I guess I confused myself because the icons etc. appeared bigger and cleaner than I expected. However, I have lost my trash icon. gConfig-editor = Nautilus doesn't restore it. -- ?? That's a minor problem for tomorrow. But it still begs the question; why doesn't xorg.conf reflect the addition of my new LCD display? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Colour Cordination ??
Hi; Does anybody know of a site, tutorial or a manual that explains how to get all my colour formats and equipment synchronized? I don't have any major problems that are urgent, but I would like to go about learning how to get everything producing colours as close to the same as possible. I have googled and only found rudimentary info -- usually about printer test pages. I have printer test pages for both CUPS and hplip. Wikipedia mentions Color is a professional color grading software application produced by Apple Inc. for their Mac OS X operating system. I would like to match the colours of the real world, my monitor, my printer, my scanner and my internet browser as closely as possible. I expect they will never be exact. I appreciate that it also depends on the configuration of applications (such as OOo, Gimp and Inkscape) being used. But I am assuming, before I make adjustments in those I should spend some time getting my equipment right first. My questions are these: * What are the basic techniques for making fairly accurate across device colour comparisons? * How to ascertain (guess) which device needs the adjustment? If I could adjust the real world, I would. * Is there a manual that explains in some depth the various colour codes that are used? I have played with colour on an ad hoc basis so I am familiar with some of the basic codes, but I suspect there is a deeper rational than I have learnt. * Are there tools and specialized test pages that can help? Remember, this not urgent. It is something I am going to work away at; but any help, tips or guidance could prevent me and others who are interested from wasting time on misguided irrelevancies. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Colour Cordination ??
Thanks Dean; On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 18:21 -0700, Dean S. Messing wrote: icc color profile linux I had never heard of The International Color Consortium. No wonder I couldn't find anything worth reading. Once informed by you, I found their site and hundreds of useful links. If others are interested, follow Deans advice above or go to http://www.color.org/faqs.xalter as a starter. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Double checking grub-install -- [SOLVED]
For those who helped. On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 13:58 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi Tim and others who may have been watching this thread. [snip] So the answer must be grub is switching video modes. I wonder if I should report this as a Fedora bug against grub ? I bought a new Samsung LCD display, plugged it in as a DVI. Double grub splash screen went away. That's that. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Messed up my ISP/Networkmanager connection !?
Hi; I have been delving into (messing around with) my network connections and now I can't get Network Manger or my browsers to work. This post attests to the fact that there is some physical connection to my ISP cable connection and my eth0 is active; xchat and FM Radio on Rhythmbox work. On booting, NetworkManager is listed as 'failed' -- setting NetworkManger waiting for network - failed. Then, httpd: could not reliably determine the servers fully qualified domain name using 127.0.0.1 for server name. ]$ ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1A:92:E5:DC:47 inet addr:192.168.1.3 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::21a:92ff:fee5:dc47/64 Scope:Link ... I was screwing around, experimenting, with the system-control-network gui -- incorrectly added stuff to the 'hosts' page and saved. I got a message to the effect 'we will save this stuff, but we are going to disconnect you for badness. I was duly disconnected. I have removed the 'bad stuff' from /etc/hosts and saved. hosts now reads : # Do not remove the following line, or various programs # that require network functionality will fail. 127.0.0.1 CASE localhost.localdomain localhost ::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6 As it did when everything was working. What am I missing? Where do I find it? Where is my DNS or whatever? Why is there no help for the Network manager? Why is the 'Edit Connections' on the Network Manager blank? And what does NetworkManager Tool really mean? ]$ nm-tool State: disconnected - Device: eth0 Type: Wired Driver:forcedeth State: unmanaged HW Address:00:00:00:00:00:00 Capabilities: Supported: yes Carrier Detect: yes Speed: 100 Mb/s Wired Settings How can I fill these in from the command line? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Messed up my ISP/Networkmanager connection !?
Hi Patrick On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 09:27 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 04:18 -0400, William Case wrote: httpd: could not reliably determine the servers fully qualified domain name using 127.0.0.1 for server name. Bill, you do realize that 127.0.0.1 is localhost, right? I don't know what your problem is, but I would start from there. Yes. This was part of a self-imposed network learning exercise, so I had already learnt the importance of 127.0.0.1 loopback. First problem; my 'hosts' file backup was recovered. So I think that was what I had. Every manual and the file itself said don't touch this file. I touched it. Did I get it back to its original shape? I tried replacing 127.0.0.1 with 192.168.1.3 which 'ifconfig' and 'hostname -va' say is my inet addr. (Why it is not 192.168.1.1 is a question for another day). My ifcfg-eth0 script says: # nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp HWADDR=00:1a:92:e5:dc:47 ONBOOT=yes DHCP_HOSTNAME=CASE NM_CONTROLLED=no TYPE=Ethernet DNS1=192.168.1.1 'route' also lists the default as 192.168.1.1 not xxx.xxx.x.3 When I look at the NetworkManager 'thingy' (Is thingy spelt 'thingy' or 'thingie'?) there is a whole bunch of blank fields. Learning what to put in those fields was the point of the exercise. I had assumed that the gui fields would reflect the data in a configuration file somewhere but it apparently doesn't. Second problem; I originally used the system-control-network thingy. Both were on my administration menu. I understand now that that has been deprecated in favour of system-config-network. Could that have messed things up? This is getting frustrating. I have always let various frontends in both Linux and other OSes set up my internet. The first time I dive in, reality does not seem to match the manuals and textbooks. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Messed up my ISP/Networkmanager connection !?
Hi Mikkel, Patrick and others On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 13:29 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: William Case wrote: First problem; my 'hosts' file backup was recovered. So I think that was what I had. Every manual and the file itself said don't touch this file. I touched it. Did I get it back to its original shape? I tried replacing 127.0.0.1 with 192.168.1.3 which 'ifconfig' and 'hostname -va' say is my inet addr. (Why it is not 192.168.1.1 is a question for another day). My ifcfg-eth0 script says: # nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp HWADDR=00:1a:92:e5:dc:47 ONBOOT=yes DHCP_HOSTNAME=CASE NM_CONTROLLED=no TYPE=Ethernet DNS1=192.168.1.1 'route' also lists the default as 192.168.1.1 not xxx.xxx.x.3 If you are using DHCP, you usually do not want to specify your name servers. (DNS1) Also, your default route should point to your gateway to the Internet. If you are using a firewall/router, it should point to that address. You may also want to look at /etc/resolv.conf and see what name server(s) you have listed. I don't remember if you said, gut is your problem that you can not connect using host names, but you can using IP addresses? That is what seems to b happening. Xchat works and Evo starts off-line, but works when I put it back online it works fine. My browsers don't work at all. I get warnings to try again; that they are offline but won't go back online. Also, is the network service running, or the NetworkManager service running? Because the way you have ifcfg-eth0, it does not look like NetworkManager is controlling it. service network status service NetworkManager status ]$ service network status Configured devices: lo eth0 Currently active devices: lo eth0 ]$ service NetworkManager status NetworkManager (pid 2442) is running... ]$ cat /etc/resolv.conf ; generated by /sbin/dhclient-script nameserver 192.168.1.1 Re-read man resolv.conf On a normally configured system this file should not be necessary. The only name server to be queried will be on the local machine; the domain name is determined from the host name and the domain search path is constructed from the domain name. So who or what is 192.168.1.1? Can it be my cheapo router? My household network is simple. Cat5 lines leading from ever room in the house (bought the house that way) to the router; three computers in different rooms connected to the router; the router connected to the cable modem; and, out. fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
RE: Messed up my ISP/Networkmanager connection !?
Sorry Bruce; I don't mean to be obtuse, but ... On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 12:13 -0700, bruce wrote: the 192.168.1.1 in your resolv.conf file is the dns server that the server is using to resolve any domain names... comment out the dns1 entry in your eth conf file.. and restart by doing ifdown/ifup xxx whatever your eth/nic is... you should be ok.. But I can't find anything close to a eth conf file. The closest is '/etc/dhclient-eth0.conf' and that is obviously not it. Found two ifcfg-eth0: /etc/sysconfig/networking/profiles/default/ifcfg-eth0 , and, /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ifcfg-eth0 Each has a DNS1 referrence Are these the eth conf files you are referring two, and if so, which do I comment out? Or both? Why two and not a link? [snip] -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
RE: Messed up my ISP/Networkmanager connection !?
Hi Bruce; I would like to start fresh on this too. I am using it as a great way to climb in. read, etc. the networking nitty-gritty. Unfortunately I have to leave right now for 2 or 3 hours. Ironically, for my local LUG meeting. On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 15:06 -0700, bruce wrote: hi william. ok. for now, can you turn off/disable selinux... When I return I will turn off SELinux. I have just shut everything down and manually reset my cable modem and router. I.e climbed up on the basement freezer unplugged them; waited for a minute; and, re-plugged them. So when I get back everything should be virgin for a fresh start. and then reboot the box if you can... i want to start fresh on this. And reboot. as i understand this, you're running dhcp, right? where is the dhcp server located? As dumb as this may sound, I don't know. One of things I was doing was looking for my actual real domainname server and my DHCP server (If they exist on my machine or router). Never did find them because I got sidetracked on this problem. I will be happy to work through a solution with you. I am not DESPERATE to get things working by just button pushing. I would like to know why they broke and how they got fixed. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: [Bulk] Re: Messed up my ISP/Networkmanager connection !?
Hi Mikkel; On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 17:56 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: William Case wrote: [snip] The usual way to check/change settings on the router is to open the web browser to http://192.168.1.1 and log in. This should be covered by the router manual. Neat trick. I will copy and save that one. Although my browsers don't work externally they did find http://192.168.1.1 which gave me a setup page. I didn't change anything but here is the output: LAN IP Address 192.168.1.1 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 DHCP Server Enabled Firewall Enabled INFORMATION System Time 2008/08/05 21:28:28 System Boot Up Time 0 days 05:17:37 Connected Clients 3 Runtime Code Version V2.00.0042 Boot Code Version V2.00.32 LAN MAC Address 00-40-F4-91-17-8C WAN MAC Address 00-40-F4-91-17-8D I assume the LAN MAC Address is the address that faces inward towards my Local Area Network of 3 computers and the WAN MAC Address is what is given to the wider world. In my case, the wider world would be rogers.com, which in turn have their own DHCP server and DNS. Do I have that correct? Unplugging the router will not change anything - the settings are saved. On most home routers, pressing the reset button also does not reset the router. You have to hold it in for anything from 10 seconds to a full minute. This prevents accidental resets. It should work for me. Rogers.com went through a spot a year or so ago when their system kept losing the address and I, and others had to unplug in order to reset. You are right it took over a minute of no power to reset the router and another couple of minutes for the flashing lights on the cable modem to settle down. But unplugging then always got things going again. They seemed to this time, but alas, to no effect on my current problem. I am impressed that my little $10.95 AOpen router has its own program and setup. I had assumed that it was all cached somewhere in my machines memory somehow. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Messed up my ISP/Networkmanager connection !?
Hi Kevin; On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 01:03 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: William Case wrote: Hi Kevin et al; It just got stranger; On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 00:07 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: William Case wrote: Although my browsers don't work externally they did find http://192.168.1.1 which gave me a setup page. I didn't change anything but here is the output: LAN IP Address 192.168.1.1 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 DHCP Server Enabled Firewall Enabled INFORMATION System Time 2008/08/05 21:28:28 System Boot Up Time 0 days 05:17:37 Connected Clients 3 Runtime Code Version V2.00.0042 Boot Code Version V2.00.32 LAN MAC Address 00-40-F4-91-17-8C WAN MAC Address 00-40-F4-91-17-8D On re-boot the script messages still show, -- setting NetworkManger waiting for network - failed. Then, httpd: could not reliably determine the servers fully qualified domain name using 127.0.0.1 for server name. The little NetworkManager gui in my notification panel shows a red warning with an x and says No network connection. Epiphany and FireFox, along with Evolution, start offline. Putting all three back online gets them all working. Here is the strange thing. Previously when I put Epiphany and Firefox back online as soon as I started them again they went off line immediately. This time they stayed on. I loaded several fresh pages and everything continued to work. Something else to look at... What does your network routing look like? Do you have a proper default route? If not, you won't be able to get beyond your local subnet. /sin/route I have posted the result of route -n earlier. There is nothing interesting there. ]$ route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 00 eth0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0 I'm guessing that if NetworkManager isn't doing it right, its not getting setup. If not, you could try: /sbin/route add -net default gw 192.168.1.1 Not necessary. 'route -n' already tells me that 192.168.1.1 is my gateway. (I think that's the correct syntax) To answer Kevin. Yes the bill is paid. I have one other machine running Ubuntu with no problem and another on WindowsXP. I was kidding! I figured you were. I didn't take offence -- it is the type of joke I would have used. But it was a good enough question that it made me go and double check that the other two machines were working. Besides, Rogers has a habit of partially turning services off to work on them without telling customers what it is doing. I just shut down and cold rebooted to be sure before sending this post. Every thing is still as above. Check your network routing tables. If you don't tell the networking how to get there, it doesn't know. A new wrinkle I didn't report, but now Evolution is asking for IP account passwords each time I start it. It had stopped doing that in Fedora 9. Remember Kevin, I am getting ISP service. Everything seems to be boiling down to a NetworkManager problem. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Messed up my ISP/Networkmanager connection !? -TYPO
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 00:56 -0400, William Case wrote: [SNIP] A new wrinkle I didn't report, but now Evolution is asking for ISP ^^^ account passwords each time I start it. It had stopped doing that in Fedora 9. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Messed up my ISP/Networkmanager connection !? -- [SOLVED by removing NetworkManager]
Hi Kevin, Mikkel, Bruce et al; NetWorkMangager was the culprit ... On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 01:59 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: I just went back and looked, you have a wired ethernet setup. Why are you using NetworkManager? Have you tried disabling NetworkManager and starting up the network service in its place? As you suggested, I turned off NetworkManger services. After rebooting, everything worked the way it should. No boot up warnings; browsers and Evolution started online; all connections were made. (Unless you are somehow married to using NetworkManager) sysconfig-config-network can then be used to configure the ethernet card, even for DHCP from your router. I am not married to NetworkManager but ... It would be nice to have a simple tool for ordinary users to configure their networks, large or small. [snip] From various comments made on the list, and my recent experience NetworkManager is not yet ready for prime time. I was willing to spend the time, and still am, to help sort out NetworkMangager problems for small wired LANs. Summary: My problem seems to have boiled down to this: 1. As originally installed by Ananconda, NetworkManager worked, or at least did not interfere, with my household and Internet networking. 2. When I tried to make changes manually, NetworkManager could not recognize those changes if correct, nor give appropriate meaningful warnings if incorrect, nor reflect the state of things in any of its fields. It just quit working and would not restart even after corrections had been made from the commandline. Suggested Solution: 1. The developers continue to work on NetworkManager so that it is robust enough to handle people messing about with its settings either from the command line or within the gui. 2. Because networking is complex and confusing for users (I don't limit this comment to newbies) the error analysis should be meaningful. 3. In fact, I think it is well within the capabilities of today's developers to build a robost network setup analysis tool. 4. I would like to see two frontends for NetworkManager. One that is written in plain language with lots of 'Help' and tool tips and with the minimum of technospeak. And, a second frontend that is for advanced users. One of the advantages of FOSS is that you can write several different 'thingies' to be used by different types of users. It doesn't have to be one size fits all like M$. I was taking this opportunity to finally learn some stuff about networking, so I don't begrudge the time. In fact, that is what got me in trouble in the first place, screwing around with my settings to see what they would do. Up until now I was content to let my networks be set up automagically. If something goes wrong in Linux/Fedora it is tough to figure out how to fix it. In M$, it is almost impossible to follow. To me this is an area where we (Fedora, Linux and FOSS) could excel. If anybody thinks all this to-do has been worth filing a bug against NetworkManager. I will file. If it has just been a self-induced problem solved by shutting NetworkManager off, I'll leave things alone. Let me know. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Messed up my ISP/Networkmanager connection !? -- [SOLVED by removing NetworkManager]
Further events; On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 11:25 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi Kevin, Mikkel, Bruce et al; NetWorkMangager was the culprit ... On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 01:59 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: I just went back and looked, you have a wired ethernet setup. Why are you using NetworkManager? Have you tried disabling NetworkManager and starting up the network service in its place? As you suggested, I turned off NetworkManger services. After rebooting, everything worked the way it should. No boot up warnings; browsers and Evolution started online; all connections were made. I also tried the opposite just now. I.e turning off 'network' and turning on NetworkManager. 'network' services would not turn off. From the services gui I got a SELinux warning (even in permissive mode) from the command line I got ]# service network stop Shutting down interface eth0: [ OK ] Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ] ]# service NetworkManager start Setting network parameters... [ OK ] Starting NetworkManager daemon:[ OK ] Waiting for network... [FAILED] ]# service NetworkManager status NetworkManager (pid 4866) is running... All I get is an empty notification panel gui that shows up and says no network connection, when, in fact, everything is connected but offline. ]# service network status Configured devices: lo eth0 Currently active devices: lo eth0 N.B. Tried to man 'network' -- no manual entry. Is there another name to 'man' by? [snip] -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Messed up my ISP/Networkmanager connection !? -- [SOLVED by removing NetworkManager]
Hi g; On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 18:32 +, g wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 William Case wrote: snip N.B. Tried to man 'network' -- no manual entry. Is there another name to 'man' by? [snip] from following the many post for help with networking, one thing that is apparent, 'network manager' is a good idea, but not without many bugs. in most all of threads, main suggestion is 'turn it off'. I too saw those posts. i would have suggested this to you when i sent what i did on 'aopen', accept that i thought it had already been suggested, which is usually among first suggestions. from your last couple post, it became evident that it was not. To me, at the moment, the problem is not solved by turning NetworkManager off. (It is off for the moment so I can do some other work easily.) I consider it a bit of a challenge to either get it working or finding out what the real 'bug' is. rest assured, i am not trying to be 'off tone', 'snide', 'insulting', or anything else of a negative attitude. just trying to offer you some more help so you can enjoy a working linux system. best to you. The Hell you say. - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIme48+C4Bj9Rkw/wRAioBAJ9I6HP18WV2LiOEShFZov8/DoAKzQCeIaFm lCy6PE0lavAKmbP2tZiycXA= =sVrI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: The assignment of numerical addresses for Domain Names ??
Hi Ed; Just an off topic comment. On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 10:43 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: William Case wrote: Yes. I have used whois or jwhois. I guess just by looking at 64.71.255.198 I can't tell much, but have to use whois to find out more. I was wondering if say, all Broadcast companies are grouped as 64.70.xxx.xxx to 64.90.xxx.xxx or some such scheme -- but I guess not. Not much point to it, on thinking about it. You are correct. The IP address alone won't tell you much. They may be some rhyme or reason as to how they are doled out...but the rhyme/reason is not consistent over all of the world. And the rhyme/reason is most likely predicated on the physical. When I was a kid here in Ontario, you could tell what part of the province a car was from just by the first couple of numbers on the license plate, but that time is long gone. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: The assignment of numerical addresses for Domain Names ??
Hi Chris; On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 00:24 -0400, Chris Tyler wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: William Case wrote: http://xkcd.com/195/ provides an interesting perspective :-) -Chris Actually, Chris, it does provide an interesting perspective. I wonder how accurate it is. It explains far more than any written rationalization I have come across. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
For anyone experienced with the IETF and RFCs ??
Hi; Just a quick process question. I have been digging into various RFCs (RFC1918, RFC1700, RF3513 etc.) issued by committees of the IETF. They are very good and surprisingly clear explanations of how network addressing is to be used. My question is this: These memos are entitled Requests for Comments and each have received several detailed and learned comments, yet, the RFC seems to become adopted as written with the comments only attached but not adopted. I am I misreading the actual RFC process? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: For anyone experienced with the IETF and RFCs ??
Hi Patrick; Thanks; On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 13:57 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 12:39 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi; Just a quick process question. I have been digging into various RFCs (RFC1918, RFC1700, RF3513 etc.) issued by committees of the IETF. They are very good and surprisingly clear explanations of how network addressing is to be used. My question is this: These memos are entitled Requests for Comments and each have received several detailed and learned comments, yet, the RFC seems to become adopted as written with the comments only attached but not adopted. I am I misreading the actual RFC process? No, there's a process of creating and approving draft versions (described in an RFC of course :-) before the RFC Editor decides to release the definitive version, but even this is still called an RFC, not a Standards Document or anything fancy, although some key RFCs are described as being Standards Track. Comments to an RFC may eventually serve to generate a new RFC which supersedes it, e.g. RFC2822 obsoletes RFC822. See http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcfaq.html poc I thought there would have to some kind of institutional illogic involved. Glade I asked. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: For anyone experienced with the IETF and RFCs ??
Hi Bjorn; On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 20:56 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: [snip] You might want to read RFC 2026, titled The Internet Standards Process – Revision 3: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026 Laughing out loud. Gawd its good to be alive and living in the same world with people who in all seriousness invented this process, the scoring rules for tennis and the game of cricket. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Idle thoughts or question re: dual booting and grub default !?
Thanks once again Mikkel; On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 17:51 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: William Case wrote: Hi; If you don't boot Windows often, and you normally want to boot Linux the next time you boot after running Windows, you could try Booting once-only setup in Grub. This is explained in detail in the Grub Info page, so I will not go into setup details. But what it does is tell Grub to boot a specific entry the next time you boot, and as part of the entry, it sets things back to the original default. Note - it does not look like Fedora has the grub-set-default script file talked about, but your script could write the /boot/grub/default file. I have not used this under Fedora, but I have done it under Mandriva many times. Another option, if you have ext2 support under windows, would be that not have the menu entry reset the default boot, but have a Windows script that changes the /boot/grub/default file. In any case, you are going to want to change: default=0 to default saved Mikkel I found http://sidvind.com/wiki/GRUB:_Boot_another_OS_once because of your post. It seems to have everything I need. A pointer in the right direction and a suggestion of some google search key words or criteria was all it took. Thanks -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Fixing or removing NetworkManager ??
Hi; Last week I was messing around with my network and Internet connections and managed to break NeteworkManager. See thread Messed up my ISP/Networkmanager connection !? Aug 5. Since I couldn't get it fixed, I stopped and disabled the NetworkManager service. I now find that many of my gnome services are somehow dependant on it. Will 'yum remove NetworkMangaer' remove it or will I end up in dependency hell? I would prefer to fix it but I am a fish out of water when it comes to anymore than rudimentary network stuff. My current ~/.xsession-errors. I moved the previous file aside before logging out and back in so it is absolutely current. xrdb: colon missing on line 18, ignoring line SESSION_MANAGER=local/unix:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/3565,unix/unix:/tmp/.ICE-unix/3565 seahorse nautilus module initialized ** (nautilus:3654): WARNING **: Unable to add monitor: Not supported Failure: Module initalization failed ** Message: failed to load session from /home/bill/.nautilus/saved-session-0E9JFU ** (nm-applet:3708): WARNING **: nm_object_get_property: Error getting 'WirelessHardwareEnabled' for /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files ** (nm-applet:3708): WARNING **: No connections defined evolution-alarm-notify-Message: Setting timeout for 47486 121860 1218552514 evolution-alarm-notify-Message: Wed Aug 13 00:00:00 2008 evolution-alarm-notify-Message: Tue Aug 12 10:48:34 2008 CalDAV Eplugin starting up ... connect: Operation now in progress Unable to open desktop file /home/bill/Desktop/alacarte-made.desktop for panel launcher: No such file or directory ** (evolution:3669): DEBUG: mailto URL command: evolution --component=mail %s ** (evolution:3669): DEBUG: mailto URL program: evolution libnm_glib_nm_state_cb: dbus returned an error. (org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown) The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files ** (nm-applet:3708): WARNING **: nm_object_get_property: Error getting 'ActiveConnections' for /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files BBDB spinning up... Shouldn't I be able to make commandline adjustments to network configurations (for ill or good) and still get NetworkManager to continue to operate, on my machine at least? If I made mistakes, shouldn't I, none-the-less, be able to correct them through the NetworkManager gui? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fixing or removing NetworkManager ??
Hi Jeff; I would appreciate the help getting things back to normal. On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 15:05 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I missed the original thread detailing how you munched your NM config..ill need to go back and read it. But quick answer for now on how you can work around this until i understand how you screwed up your NM config: Okay I've caught up. NM does NOT make use of most of the information set through system-config-network usage nor any information you manually set in the ifcfg-* scripts. These are legacy network controls and there are provided explicitly because the developers of NM know..full well..that NM is not feature complete for all network needs. The are working on it. My gut feeling is you are primarily confused because you are expecting NM to read the legacy network configs..and they don't. It's not clear to me that you made any changes to NM's configs..i saw you attempting to edit the legacy configs and resulting confusion. Yes, that is what happened. Before we get into specifics as to what you should or should not be doing to configure to make NM useful for you again.. I need to understand what your network topology and a succint and completely english-with no numbers or urls-description of what you are trying to do with your network set up. For example... NM works perfectly fine for my very mundane network topologies I have to work with. At home I have an off-the-shelf lan router which acts as both dns and dhcp... NM works just fine there wired and wireless. I even vpn into work no problems. At work I have another dhcp server configuration to deal with, nothing fancy..things just work..wired and wireless. Your description fits mine. I have a three computer home LAN; 1 dual boot running Fedora 9 + WindowsXP; 2nd running Ubuntu + WindowsXP and a 3rd running WindowsXp. The house was purchased completely wired with cat5 leading to a central router in the basement which in turn is connected to a cable modem leading out of the house. So I need to understand what inspired you to make manual changes at all..before I can attempt to direct you on what to do. What *inspired* me was that the time had come to learn about networking, from top to bottom; inside out. In the past, including the Fedora 9 installation, I understood only the rudiments of network setup and Internet connecting. I basically let whatever front ends that existed set the networks up for me. Anaconda seemed to have correctly installed NetworkManager for me when I did a fresh install of F9 A week or so ago I began to read various manuals, texts and tutorials, all of which dealt with a pre-NetworkManager world. The changes came about as a result of various experiments, tweaks and tries using the command line. This is in fact something I would like to do over the next few weeks until a understand more than just the basics. If this means NetworkManager is going to be in the way while I learn then I would like to temporarily remove it. I would like to end the learning process by re-introducing NetworkManager but only after learning the wheres and whyfors about its operation. I'm also probably going to need to review several of your network related scripts down in /etc/sysconfig ifcfg-eth0: # nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp HWADDR=00:1a:92:e5:dc:47 ONBOOT=yes DHCP_HOSTNAME=CASE NM_CONTROLLED=no TYPE=Ethernet #DNS1=192.168.1.1 DEVICE=lo IPADDR=127.0.0.1 NETMASK=255.0.0.0 NETWORK=127.0.0.0 # If you're having problems with gated making 127.0.0.0/8 a martian, # you can change this to something else (255.255.255.255, for example) BROADCAST=127.255.255.255 ONBOOT=yes NAME=loopback For various ifup-xx and ifdown-xx scripts let me know which ones you need. I will be happy to post any other information you need, including router data. And no..you can't just remove NM..dont even try..you'll just get into deep deep trouble. -jef -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: [Bulk] Re: Fixing or removing NetworkManager ??
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 08:13 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:20 PM, William Case [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ifcfg-eth0: # nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp HWADDR=00:1a:92:e5:dc:47 ONBOOT=yes DHCP_HOSTNAME=CASE NM_CONTROLLED=no TYPE=Ethernet #DNS1=192.168.1.1 So what you need to do is change that to NM_CONTROLLED=yes Done stop the legacy network service (keep it from starting at boot too) network service is disabled but refuses to unplug. Every time I try to 'stop' in either the services 'gui' or by command line I get the following SELinux warning: SELinux is preventing ifup-eth (hotplug_t) append to ./dhclient-eth0.conf (etc_t). [SELinux is in permissive mode, the operation would have been denied but was permitted due to permissive mode.] Trying to stop network by the command line: ]# service network stop Shutting down interface eth0: [ OK ] Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ] ]# service network status Configured devices: lo eth0 Currently active devices: eth0 start the NetworkManager service (make sure its starting at boot too) Done ]# service NetworkManager status NetworkManager (pid 2339) is running... That should be enough to at least make NM's applet appear to function correctly. The applet appear's to function correctly. If there is still a problem... I need to look at your /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf files and possible the output of route. As additional referrence: /etc/hosts # Do not remove the following line, or various programs # that require network functionality will fail. 127.0.0.1 CASE localhost.localdomain localhost ::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6 /etc/resolv.conf # generated by NetworkManager, do not edit! nameserver 192.168.1.1 ]$ route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0 Does NetworkManager have a separate configuration file? If so, where is it? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Fixing or removing NetworkManager ??
Thanks very much Jeff; On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 11:51 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: [snip] where is dhclient-eth0.conf exactly? It is exactly at: /etc/dhclient-eth0.conf I think you should just remove it since I dont think such a file exists for default operation. Find where it is, and if you want a backup of it to use later.. for more experimenting...just move it to /root/ for now instead of deleting it. I have taken your advice and moved it to /root/MoveAsides/dhclient-eth0.conf Should I do the same with /etc/dhcp6c.conf ? Currently the file dhcp6c.conf exists but is completely commented out. The applet appear's to function correctly. So if the applet appears to function correctly...does the network appear to work as expected? Not sure. I had a couple of problems with shutdown ( shutdown got stuck at tomcat5 and I had to turn off the computer manually) and boincmgr coming up at re-boot but on third try everything worked fine. May or may not be related to NetworkManager. As additional referrence: /etc/hosts # Do not remove the following line, or various programs # that require network functionality will fail. 127.0.0.1 CASE localhost.localdomain localhost ::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6 /etc/resolv.conf # generated by NetworkManager, do not edit! nameserver 192.168.1.1 i take it 192.168.1.1 is the ip of your router? Yes it is. ]$ route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0 looks fine as long as 192.168.1.1 is the router. Then it is fine. Does NetworkManager have a separate configuration file? If so, where is it? The simplest answer is no... NM doesn't have a single configuration file that can be compared to something like ifcfg-eth0. I believe NM makes use of gconf for per-user configs about 'connections' as well as gnome-keyring for network passwords. If you want to explore NM's configs as a user you might want to install gconf-editor and use the gui to explore the network related items you can edit instead of working with the gconf files directly or using the cmdline tools. I have had gconf-editor since I first installed F9. There is no listing of NetworkManager or anything with network in its name or as a key value that is related to network or networkmanager or NM or such. Nor is there any 'connections'. One entry, /apps/nautilus/desktop/network_icon_visible, is unmarked i.e. false. That's it. Double checked ~/.gconf. Nothing there either. When you interact with NM via the applet as a logged in user, you are working with the user configs in the user's gconf registry..not a set of system defaults. Only key found with find connections /apps/gnome-session/options/allow_tcp_connections Unmarked [false] Before you go messing around with gconf stuff I would suggest you back up your user's .gconf and .gconfd directories. If you make a mistake you can just put the backups back into place kill the gconfd service daemon and have things back in order. First I had better find out where my NM stuff is in .gconf. I have completely eyeballed the file and searched using as many criteria as *I* can think of and no luck. All suggestions welcome. The most important thing when poking at your system's configurations directly via the cmdline or advanced ui tools..is to make sure you back things up before you start the 'learning' process. And by back up I mean directory structures you plan to add or remove or edit files under. If you add a file and you don't take notes about what you added.. the only sure way to make sure you remove the files is to refresh the directory entirely to a specific known state.. not just copy in versions of pre-existing files. Very good advice. But pardon my apparent stupidity, I am not yet sure where the current gconf configurations are. By the way; I have been having problems with gnome desktop, nautilus and friends for a couple of weeks now. The trashcan was removed from my desktop and re-marking it to be visible does not return it to the desktop, etc. All minor problems, but annoying -- I hadn't thought of them being connected to NetworkManager. Perhaps the non-appearance of NM configuration in gconf-editor and .gconf is related to this problem There is no automatic 'undo all the changes I shouldn't have made button' when editing configs. Backup...poke your system with a stick till you kill it...reload from the backup..repeat. Thanks Jeff; I am used to doing that kind of stuff. I have
Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Fixing or removing NetworkManager ?? -- additional info
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:50 -0400, William Case wrote: Thanks very much Jeff; On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 11:51 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: [snip] [snip] There is no automatic 'undo all the changes I shouldn't have made button' when editing configs. Backup...poke your system with a stick till you kill it...reload from the backup..repeat. Thanks Jeff; I am used to doing that kind of stuff. I have been poking around Linux for three years now, so I have learnt the hard way. Sorry Jeff. I tried to make a little joke here. On re-reading it didn't come out very funny. I regularly back up my /etc; however, I appreciate the advice of restoring a whole branch or tree rather than just the file when it comes to networks. I have also moved the /etc/dhcp6c.conf. It shouldn't make a difference; I don't receive any IPv6 traffic that I have noticed. Checked out ~/.gconfd/saved_state and found: ADD 1308623008 def /system/networking/connections. I am presuming that means gconf-editor should have an entry referencing /system/networking/connections. It doesn't. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
network vs NetworkManger services ??
Hi; NetworkManager has apparently screwed up a lot of small Gnome processes. * Trouble with Evo getting itself stuck in downloading mail (looping ??). * Clock applet not getting task and calendar info from Evolution properly. * I have been told that NM configuration info and keys should be in my gconf-editor. They are not. * A couple of other little things (I forget now) not operating properly after turning NetworkManager off and on. I will see if I can get help with NetworkManager on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] , but meanwhile, so as to avoid asking really stupid questions in more than one place. Is the 'network' service supposed to be running while the NetworkManager service is on? Is it compiled into the kernel? I thought it was a module? Are those questions even relevant? ps aux shows NetworkManager but no 'network' or friends. The command line shows: ]# service network status Configured devices: lo eth0 Currently active devices: lo eth0 ]# service network stop Shutting down interface eth0: [ OK ] Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ] and then; ]# service network status Configured devices: lo eth0 Currently active devices: lo eth0 There is no Fedora manual or 'Help' for NetworkManager 'man NetworkManager' produces only: DESCRIPTION The NetworkManager daemon attempts to keep an active network connection available at all times. The point of NetworkManager is to make networking configuration and setup as painless and automatic as possible. If using DHCP, NetworkManager is intended to replace default routes,obtain IP addresses from a DHCP server, and change nameservers whenever it sees fit, with the aim of making networking Just Work. nm-tool shows me no more info than is available in the NM gui. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tools/NetworkManager simply tells me how to configure for pam. My pam.d/gdm is auth optionalpam_gnome_keyring.so sessionoptionalpam_gnome_keyring.so auto_start googled sites gives info for gentoo and mandrivia only. I am stumped. I will re-ask on the NetworkManager list, but first I would like to straighten out in my mind the network vs NetworkManger services thing. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: network vs NetworkManger services ??
Now I am getting more confused. On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 15:02 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 14:40 -0400, William Case wrote: I will see if I can get help with NetworkManager on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] , but meanwhile, so as to avoid asking really stupid questions in more than one place. Is the 'network' service supposed to be running while the NetworkManager service is on? There is no such thing as *the* 'network' service (in the sense I think you mean). People on this list are using Network vs. NM as a shorthand for two ways of configuring the various network components, some of which are in the kernel and some in user space. Specifically when they say Network in this context they mean the set of scripts invoked via the system-config-network command. Yes there is. I have to check F9, but F8 has both the NetworkManager and network services. NetworkManager is started with run level 5, and network is started with run level 3 by default. (The spelling is important if you want to start/stop them manually.) In any case, he would have gotten an error when he used the service command if there was not a network service. Mikkel When I run the system-config-services gui I get the following info: NetworkManager = enabled, running, run level 2,3,4,5 network= disabled, running, run level all off. plus the same command line info as previously. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
