Introduction
Hello! I am so happy to have found this mailing list. My name is Marissa and I wanted to introduce my little guy, Jake. I adopted Jake only a couple months ago from a rescue group that I had been fostering for. I was moving to a new city and decided I wanted to take a cat with me, and since FeLV cats are so hard to adopt out, and little Jake was just too cute for words, I decided he deserved to not be in a cage for the rest of his life so I adopted him. He is such a great cat. So playful, affectionate, silly, sweet. Just a good little guy. Soon after I adopted him he started coughing and sneezing and had a fever. Probably something he caught when he was surrounded by other cats in the rescue shelter. He was on Baytril and the vet kept him on it because he seemed to get better with it, and every time I would take him off of it he would start sneezing or coughing. The vet also put him on Interferon and gave me vitamin C to give to him as a supplement. Then about a week ago he started to have diarrhea. Vet put him on Metronidazale. Then a couple days ago he stopped having an appetite. The vet thinks it may be the vitamin C upsetting his stomach, so I stopped that, and have been force feeding him baby food and water. He still has no appetite (only stopped the C about 36 hours ago) and isn't quite himself, although he isn't totally lethargic either. I just hope that this isn't the beginning of the end. Jake is about 2.5 years old and I don't know much about his history other than his previous owner surrendered him at the beginning of the year. I would appreciate any advice from others experienced with FeLV cats as well as any tips on force feeding. I hate to do it but I don't see any other option. The vet says if hes not better he wants to run a bunch of tests on him, which I hope I don't have to do. Thanks for reading and for all of your help! Marissa
Re: Introduction
Also, I would order an over-the-counter diarrhea medicine for cats called Diarsanyl, which I have found really good for curing simple diarrhea. And slippery elm can help a lot with both nausea and diarrhea. Michelle
Re: Sammy and interferon
I don't know but have wondered that myself. Didn't know that it causes a degree of dehydration so that's interesting to me, especially at this very dry time of the year. I give my FELV+ kitties .5 cc daily (not on/off), unless there's a URI or something then I up the dosage. Gloria On Dec 1, 2005, at 8:18 PM, Helene Hand wrote: Hi!1 I seem to mostly lurk, too, now that Sam seems so well, but I have a concern to share with all of you. I do love this list, and there was a time all of you definitely saved Sammy's life with your love and advice. Thank you for everything you have done for us. Okay- Sammy, my 15 year old siamese, and his mother Delilah, 16, came to live with me in 1993. In July of 1999 Sam developed FELV and almost died. He was so sick. Over the next few months he lost down to 7 pounds and I maintained him on IV boluses, a series of Acemannan shots, oral pettinic daily, Vit. B12 subcu., interferon orally, 7 days on-7 off- winstrol orally,procrit s.c. weekly,special foods, including baby meats, dry foods (4 choices!) lots and lots of love and prayers constantly. For a year it was touch and go.Today, he weighs about 16 pounds, looks and feels great, is definitely the Alpha Cat of the household, and has been in remission and asymptomatic since 2000. Coat is shiny, he is very playful, etc. My question is this: Does anyone know of any detrimental side effects of long-term interferon therapy? There is no need to ask my vet, although wonderful, he lets me call the shots, as he really doesn't know... Sam has been on interferon since 2000. One cc orally for 7 days, then off 7 days.So that is 15 cc a month.I sure don't want to rock the boat, but I know that the interferon causes a degree of dehydration. Anything else?I would like a source of info., and would appreciate anybody's input. He still is on the pettinic daily, the winstrol weekly, and the Vit. B12 subcu. weekly. I discontinued the procrit subcu. a year ago. My wonderful boy seems to be doing fine; but I remind myself to remember that every day is so good for him, but could change in an instant. I don't take anything for granted. Thanks! Guys! Helene
pumpkin
Can someone remind me, is pumpkin supposed to be a laxative, or a cure for diarrhea? Some people on the Sphynx rescue list are feeding it to their cats as treats, and I'm curious as to if this is a good idea (will feeding it to "normal" cats make them get diarrhea or become constipated?) Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to!~Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/190 - Release Date: 12/1/2005
Re: pumpkin
Well, I've known it as a cure (source of fiber?) for diarrhea - don't know if it works as a laxative too, some things deal with both... For example, homeopathic Nux Vomica is in many cases a solution for both. But lactulose is a solution for constipation (as is vitamin C), and not diarrhea. Gloria At 09:58 AM 12/2/2005, you wrote: Can someone remind me, is pumpkin supposed to be a laxative, or a cure for diarrhea? Some people on the Sphynx rescue list are feeding it to their cats as treats, and I'm curious as to if this is a good idea (will feeding it to normal cats make them get diarrhea or become constipated?) Jenn http://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.htmlhttp://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.htmlhttp://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/190 - Release Date: 12/1/2005
Re: interferon dehydration? new FeLV+
Hmmm... I never heard of IFN causing dehydration. My kitties have shown no sign of it. Effie (FeLV+) was on daily for 2-1/2 years; Butch still on daily since 2000 (FIV+), now Tabitha (FIV+), and this week Shiloh tested positive for FeLV. Shiloh was a stray who showed up last winter, neutered him 2/05. He had a nasty fresh bite on his forehead 5/05 which I cleaned and gave preventive abx, which might be when he contracted the virus. There is no way of knowing if he had it before that time. Due to other life stuff, he was not tested until this week when we were going to do the vax. He lives outside on the deck and under the house and I need to find a better situation for him. Presently, I have no clue what that is but I'll figure something out ... with God's help, He gave me this challenge and hopefully He'll follow up with ideas. My Sam (negative 6yo) now HCM, threw a saddle clot two weeks ago and is recovering the use of his legs gradually. Hugs to everyone battling the disease/s and life's problems. Del - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 7:53 AM Subject: Re: Sammy and interferon I don't know but have wondered that myself. Didn't know that it causes a degree of dehydration so that's interesting to me, especially at this very dry time of the year. I give my FELV+ kitties .5 cc daily (not on/off), unless there's a URI or something then I up the dosage. Gloria On Dec 1, 2005, at 8:18 PM, Helene Hand wrote: Hi!1 I seem to mostly lurk, too, now that Sam seems so well, but I have a concern to share with all of you. I do love this list, and there was a time all of you definitely saved Sammy's life with your love and advice. Thank you for everything you have done for us. Okay- Sammy, my 15 year old siamese, and his mother Delilah, 16, came to live with me in 1993. In July of 1999 Sam developed FELV and almost died. He was so sick. Over the next few months he lost down to 7 pounds and I maintained him on IV boluses, a series of Acemannan shots, oral pettinic daily, Vit. B12 subcu., interferon orally, 7 days on-7 off- winstrol orally,procrit s.c. weekly,special foods, including baby meats, dry foods (4 choices!) lots and lots of love and prayers constantly. For a year it was touch and go.Today, he weighs about 16 pounds, looks and feels great, is definitely the Alpha Cat of the household, and has been in remission and asymptomatic since 2000. Coat is shiny, he is very playful, etc. My question is this: Does anyone know of any detrimental side effects of long-term interferon therapy? There is no need to ask my vet, although wonderful, he lets me call the shots, as he really doesn't know... Sam has been on interferon since 2000. One cc orally for 7 days, then off 7 days.So that is 15 cc a month.I sure don't want to rock the boat, but I know that the interferon causes a degree of dehydration. Anything else?I would like a source of info., and would appreciate anybody's input. He still is on the pettinic daily, the winstrol weekly, and the Vit. B12 subcu. weekly. I discontinued the procrit subcu. a year ago. My wonderful boy seems to be doing fine; but I remind myself to remember that every day is so good for him, but could change in an instant. I don't take anything for granted. Thanks! Guys! Helene
Re: Introduction
Thanks for the tips! The vet did suggest Pepsid so I have been doing that. I am mainly concerned about his lack of appetitie, and general him not being himself. I mean how long can I force feed him? It's frustrating because I wish he could just tell me what is wrong and I could fix it! Marissa On 12/2/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I would order an over-the-counter diarrhea medicine for cats called Diarsanyl, which I have found really good for curing simple diarrhea. And slippery elm can help a lot with both nausea and diarrhea. Michelle
Re: Introduction
First of all, you can force feed for months, so don't worry about that aspect right now. lack of appetite can be caused by GI problems from antibiotics, and/or from the URI itself (is he stuffy-nosed? If they can't smell their food they often will not eat). The fact that he is not lethargic is good. It is really important that you get enough calories per day into him. How much do you syringe him per day, and what are you syringing? Does he hold it down? Have you talked to the vet about syringing W/D or I/D for a while to try to soothe his digestive tract? Michelle In a message dated 12/2/2005 11:29:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for the tips! The vet did suggest Pepsid so I have been doing that. I am mainly concerned about his lack of appetitie, and general him not being "himself." I mean how long can I force feed him? It's frustrating because I wish he could just tell me what is wrong and I could fix it! Marissa
Re: pumpkin
Like any fiber, it's suppose to regulate. I can't get anyone in my house to eat it, so I can't vouch for how well it works. Everyone seems to pull out the suggestion, so it must be helping somebody. N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone remind me, is pumpkin supposed to be a laxative, or a cure for diarrhea? Some people on the Sphynx rescue list are feeding it to their cats as treats, and I'm curious as to if this is a good idea (will feeding it to "normal" cats make them get diarrhea or become constipated?)
Re: pumpkin
I guess its like peat moss is for garden soilsoaks up and holds extra moisture but keeps it from drying out and turning into cement...Probably more of a preventive than a cure...Some of us old people understand about the need for fiber If the problem is a bacteria or physical problem it may not help that much though... Tad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I've known it as a cure (source of fiber?) for diarrhea - don't know if it works as a laxative too, some things deal with both... For example, homeopathic Nux Vomica is in many cases a solution for both. But lactulose is a solution for constipation (as is vitamin C), and not diarrhea. Gloria At 09:58 AM 12/2/2005, you wrote: Can someone remind me, is pumpkin supposed to be a laxative, or a cure for diarrhea? Some people on the Sphynx rescue list are feeding it to their cats as treats, and I'm curious as to if this is a good idea (will feeding it to normal cats make them get diarrhea or become constipated?) Jenn http://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.htmlhttp://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.htmlhttp://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/190 - Release Date: 12/1/2005
Re: Introduction
Marissa, I agree with everything Michelle has said, (bless her). There is a group for assist feeding, I suggest you poke your head in there for some advice. You can assist feed for months, but you want to make sure that Jake is getting as balanced a diet as you can. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ I have never heard about dehydration from interferon either. The drawback from daily interferon is the potential "immunity" of it's benefits. I've heard, and I don't know if this is true, that if you give small doses, (.5 to 1cc) daily, there isn't as much concern about that. Look in the archives for discussions on Feline interferon, you may be interested in that as well. Cats won't eat what they can't smell. Sometimes slightly warming the food will bring out the aroma and encourage them to eat. Usually they will lap at food when they won't chew. You could try warming some goat's milk for him, or adding a couple of drops of salmon oil, (if he likes salmon) to make it good and smelly. My guys eat better when I pet and cajole them, every cat is different and I can't tell you how many hours I've spent crawling after someone on my hands and knees with a bowl of something yummy in my hand. Oh, that reminds me, try switching from a bowl to a plate and only putting tiny bits of food down at a time. The slippery elm is a good, safe suggestion for nausea. Something that helped my Gypsy was a prescription called Metoclopramide syrup. It helps with the spasms and doesn't taste bad, (at least not in my opinion :) ). Welcome to the group, I'm so sorry Jake is not feeling well, but I'm glad you found us. Hang in there, you're not alone. Prayers for Jake's quick recovery, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marissa, Hi and welcome, and BLESS YOU for adopting a cat with FeLV! My suggestion is this: if he is still on Baytril, take him off it. Cats are not meant to be on Baytril that long-- it is a very strong drug. My Lucy was on it for a month for bladder infection when she had a stone two months ago, and she is still having diarrhea from it even though she has been off it for weeks-- she never had diarrhea before, but it really screwed up her system. So take him off it and give him acidophilus, which is good bacteria for the gut to replace all the good bacteria that has been killed off by the Baytril. Also, take him off the Vitamin C, which can also cause diarrhea. There are other ways to make URI's better. Give him Lysine, which you can get in health food stores, which supports the immune system and is anti-viral. Also 6 drops of echinacea tincture each day (get the kind without alcohol). And read the archived posts and the articles on this group's web page about Immuno-Regulin, which has really helped a few of our cats kick hard-to-beat URI's. And if he really does need antibiotics, try Clavamox or, less traditional for URI's but very effective we have found, Doxicycline. Also, at this point he probably has an upset stomach, so I would give him 1/4 ofa Pepcid (the kind that is all famotidine with no other ingredients) once or twice a day. If his symptoms are from URI and too much antibiotics, this course should help. You should realize though that there are other things that cats with FeLV are vulnerable to that could cause the GI symptoms, like intestinal lymphoma. That can be controlled with steroids and chemo, but has to be diagnosed. For now, though, I think I would assume that the problems are from the exceedingly long course of Baytril and the Vitamin C, because that could definitely do this, I think. Good luck and please keep us updated.
RE: Introduction
I would personally suggest you stop Metronidazale for now. I am not sure why he needs to take it. Just so that you know what your kitty has is viral and not bacterial and antibiotics will not treat that URIs which are viral related. Often times, you need to let it run its course antibiotics may suppress some of the symptoms on the surface level and, but the symptoms will reoccur until the viral run its course.. The reason the kitty has diarrhea may something to do with the dosage of V-C- how much were you giving to him? You NEED to give him subQ fluid every day if he is not eating on his own.. force feeding food and water will not give enough for survival sometimes,, and you will need to give him some vitamin or other nutritional supplement as the baby food will not complete the need for a cat you really dont need to stop V-C as it is antioxidant and its good for him, but make the dosage smaller and make sure that you give enough fluid so that he is not dehydrated (you can ask your vet to show you how to do it).. but try to stop Metronidale for now I dont think its doing anything to him.. antibiotics really cure the very problem, only suppress the symptoms on the surface.. and you need to be careful with any immune compromised kitties like FIV or FeLV what you give them as their immune system is already very compromised. I rarely treat my animals with antibiotics.. (I have lost one of my 6 months old baby from Baytril and ever since then, I am very careful as to what I give him) I follow holistic approach for all my cats for the most of the time, and have been really satisfied with it Again, dont worry too much if the URIs symptoms last for a couple of weeks, thats what the viral infection does.. the meantime, you need to give him fluid and force feeding as a support therapy.. If his nose it stuffed, that may have something to do with not having an appetite Does he have a fever? What other conditions does he have? You might want to have your vet run the complete blood work done to make sure there is nothing else going on. Again, whenever before you give a drug to your kitty, you might want to research on line any side effect or post messages here so that you can pay pre-cautions. I am very conservative when coming to western drugs.. but again, I have reason to be due to the past experience. I hope he will feel better soon (you might want to give V-B complex and V-B 12 injection to him every few days, too) Also, you might want to give Liver shake (ask for a recipe on the list if you want) its very good for FeLK kitties.. humidifier might help. I have 4 kittens who have URIs for a few months now but as long as they are eating and playing, I dont worry too much about it.. I lost my Henry because he was having light URIs for a long time, but he was still playing and eating and very happy.. then, the vet prescribed baytrill and he died within 72 hours I wish I had never given it to him.. but its a very bitter lesson for me to learn Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marissa Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Introduction Hello! I am so happy to have found this mailing list. My name is Marissa and I wanted to introduce my little guy, Jake. I adopted Jake only a couple months ago from a rescue group that I had been fostering for. I was moving to a new city and decided I wanted to take a cat with me, and since FeLV cats are so hard to adopt out, and little Jake was just too cute for words, I decided he deserved to not be in a cage for the rest of his life so I adopted him. He is such a great cat. So playful, affectionate, silly, sweet. Just a good little guy. Soon after I adopted him he started coughing and sneezing and had a fever. Probably something he caught when he was surrounded by other cats in the rescue shelter. He was on Baytril and the vet kept him on it because he seemed to get better with it, and every time I would take him off of it he would start sneezing or coughing. The vet also gave me vitamin C to give to him as a supplement. Then about a week ago he started to have diarrhea. Vet put him on Metronidazale. Then a couple days ago he stopped having an appetite. The vet thinks it may be the vitamin C upsetting his stomach, so I stopped that, and have been force feeding him baby food and water. He still has no appetite (only stopped the C about 36 hours ago) and isn't quite himself, although he isn't totally lethargic either. I just hope that this isn't the beginning of the end. Jake is about 2.5 years old and I don't know much about his history other than his previous owner surrendered him at the beginning of the year. I would appreciate any advice from others experienced with FeLV cats as well as any tips on force feeding. I hate to do it but I don't see any other option. The vet says if hes not better he wants to run a bunch of tests on him, which
RE: Sigh...
I have a couple of those.. its very difficult to pill a cat anyway what I do with those a difficult cat is to, first crush pill and mix it in a small amount of the baby food and put the baby food (with crushed pill) in a syringe and squirt in their mouth.. it works pretty well they usually dont spit back either as the baby food covers the taste of the medicine. you just have to be careful to direct into the side pocket of their mouth and not directly to throat.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sigh... I don't know. I've rescued lots and lots of cats over the years, plus worked at the shelter, and pilled hundreds and hundreds. BUT, I have one cat, Popeye, that I've discussed on here before, that I absolutely cannot pill. He is in my face all the time. I can't sit down without him laying on me. I can't talk on the phone without including him in the conversation, etc Definitely not a scaredy cat or mean cat. But he clamps down his mouth and I can't hold it open. There are sharp teeth in there. And he scratches and KICKS at me with all 4 paws. I've tried everything. If I give ANOTHER cat some medicine in a treat or some wet food he wants it. But if I put his medicine in a treat or wet food he won't touch it. If by some miracle I do get the pill in I will hold his mouth closed for a while, but eventually I will find the pill spit back out! How do you hold a cat's mouth open when he is trying to bite you!? t Dudes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle, That's genius. Will definitely keep that one tucked away for future reference. Sandy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Sigh... I have not been following this thread much, but here is what I do to pill: Buy Nutrical or some other tube of gelatinous cat supplement. Stick the pill in the middle of a gob of it. Get behind the cat and hold the cat with one hand, while with the other opening the cat's mouth. With the hand opening the cat's mouth, use one finger to hold the lower jaw down so the cat cannot close the mouth and then with the finger that has the goo/pill on it stick the gob on the back of the tongue or down the throat. This always works for me, even with cats hard to pill. Another version is to cut the tip off a 1 cc or 3 cc plastic syringe so it has a wide opening, suck up some Nutrical or other goo in it, stick the pill in that, and use the syringe like a piller to pop the pill and goo down the cat's throat. Michelle
NJ feral group
Hello, I am trying to find some help for a feral colony in Cumberland County NJ, some of whom have tested positive. I do not have any idea how many are ill, but I am not seeing any symptomatic cats. Can you refer me to anyone who might be willing to help in NJ? I am simply a homeowner/pet lover who lives here and I can no longer pretend that I do not see their suffering. I would like to have someone knowledgable about ferals to teach me how to bring attention to their cause and find them some help. I have contacted everyone I can think of and have read all that I can find on the subject. However, how does one person find funding and supplies to begin to help these cats? Thank you for your time. Most Sincerely, Renee Simon
Re: NJ feral group
I live in NJ (Northern), but since I do not know where Cumberland County is I assume it is far from me. Have you contacted Alley Cat Allies in DC? They focus exclusively on caring for ferals, and they keep a database network of people all over the country and can probably connect you to people near you. Michelle In a message dated 12/2/2005 4:11:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, I am trying to find some help for a feral colony in Cumberland County NJ, some of whom have tested positive. I do not have any idea how many are ill, but I am not seeing any symptomatic cats. Can you refer me to anyone who might be willing to help in NJ? I am simply a homeowner/pet lover who lives here and I can no longer pretend that I do not see their suffering. I would like to have someone knowledgable about ferals to teach me how to bring attention to their cause and find them some help. I have contacted everyone I can think of and have read all that I can find on the subject. However, how does one person find funding and supplies to begin to help these cats? Thank you for your time. Most Sincerely, Renee Simon
Re: NJ feral group
Thank you so much for your reply. i will contact them next! Cumberland County is at the southernmost part of the state. Look for the Delaware Bay on a map, and you will see me! Thanks again, Renee - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:35 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group I live in NJ (Northern), but since I do not know where Cumberland County is I assume it is far from me. Have you contacted Alley Cat Allies in DC? They focus exclusively on caring for ferals, and they keep a database network of people all over the country and can probably connect you to people near you. Michelle In a message dated 12/2/2005 4:11:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, I am trying to find some help for a feral colony in Cumberland County NJ, some of whom have tested positive. I do not have any idea how many are ill, but I am not seeing any symptomatic cats. Can you refer me to anyone who might be willing to help in NJ? I am simply a homeowner/pet lover who lives here and I can no longer pretend that I do not see their suffering. I would like to have someone knowledgable about ferals to teach me how to bring attention to their cause and find them some help. I have contacted everyone I can think of and have read all that I can find on the subject. However, how does one person find funding and supplies to begin to help these cats? Thank you for your time. Most Sincerely, Renee Simon
Re: NJ feral group
Hi Renee, I've lived outside of Princeton, on Long Beach Island and in Rockaway NJ, (near Morristown), but I live in CA now. Your post nearly brought me to tears. Knowing there are caring souls that can't turn their back on the sweet innocents gives me hope that the human race is moving in the right direction! I too care for ferals in my neighborhood without any support from neighbors, and very little help from rescue groups. If you find a network who is able to help you will you please pass on the info? Anytime you want to talk to someone about ferals, please feel free to email me directly. I do remember seeing a feral group on the internet, have you checked that out yet? Nina Renee M. Simon wrote: Hello, I am trying to find some help for a feral colony in Cumberland County NJ, some of whom have tested positive. I do not have any idea how many are ill, but I am not seeing any symptomatic cats. Can you refer me to anyone who might be willing to help in NJ? I am simply a homeowner/pet lover who lives here and I can no longer pretend that I do not see their suffering. I would like to have someone knowledgable about ferals to teach me how to bring attention to their cause and find them some help. I have contacted everyone I can think of and have read all that I can find on the subject. However, how does one person find funding and supplies to begin to help these cats? Thank you for your time. Most Sincerely, Renee Simon
Re: NJ feral group
Dear Nina, Thank you so much for your kind email. I am just so sad and have been crying like a fool for 2 days now. It just breaks my heart about these babies and I have tried so many things to no avail. I have even asked for help from people on Petfinder. No one is interested. I have 2 girls who come everyday at 11am. Sometimes they bring friends. I am just so very sad. It is a small poor beach community, so everyone is gone for the winter. I wish I could bring these girls inside and adopt them, but they seem to feral to me. I don't have high hopes. There are probably 40 more who need help. Everyone has great suggestions but they all take money! I am only one person.I have even simply asked for scrap wood, scrap strofoam, straw, old dishes or bowls, never money and still no one will help. I even had one person suggest that people wouldn't help because I am not affiliated with a rescue group! Well, that is a catch 22, there is no rescue group down here. That is the point of my posts, to find help. My reply is simply,"If you can donate or help the cats with needed supplies, just put it out in the marshland. You don't need me to do it. Just drive down and pitch in." Sorry to vent, but I am so very frustrated at people's apathy these days. I just wish someone would care. Thank you for caring and for listening. Most Sincerely, Renee - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Hi Renee,I've lived outside of Princeton, on Long Beach Island and in Rockaway NJ, (near Morristown), but I live in CA now. Your post nearly brought me to tears. Knowing there are caring souls that can't turn their back on the sweet innocents gives me hope that the human race is moving in the right direction! I too care for ferals in my neighborhood without any support from neighbors, and very little help from rescue groups. If you find a network who is able to help you will you please pass on the info? Anytime you want to talk to someone about ferals, please feel free to email me directly. I do remember seeing a feral group on the internet, have you checked that out yet?NinaRenee M. Simon wrote: Hello, I am trying to find some help for a feral colony in Cumberland County NJ, some of whom have tested positive. I do not have any idea how many are ill, but I am not seeing any symptomatic cats. Can you refer me to anyone who might be willing to help in NJ? I am simply a homeowner/pet lover who lives here and I can no longer pretend that I do not see their suffering. I would like to have someone knowledgable about ferals to teach me how to bring attention to their cause and find them some help. I have contacted everyone I can think of and have read all that I can find on the subject. However, how does one person find funding and supplies to begin to help these cats? Thank you for your time. Most Sincerely, Renee Simon
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Title: Message I wish I lived near you Renee.We all on this list totally relate and sympathise.Thank you for caring. [EMAIL PROTECTED] You could try contacting the group above and see if it's still activeI used to post quite a lot on it but haven't done so recently. Stay in touch---you'll always find a kind shoulder to cry on in this group when the going gets tough. hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Renee M. SimonSent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:51 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: NJ feral group Dear Nina, Thank you so much for your kind email. I am just so sad and have been crying like a fool for 2 days now. It just breaks my heart about these babies and I have tried so many things to no avail. I have even asked for help from people on Petfinder. No one is interested. I have 2 girls who come everyday at 11am. Sometimes they bring friends. I am just so very sad. It is a small poor beach community, so everyone is gone for the winter. I wish I could bring these girls inside and adopt them, but they seem to feral to me. I don't have high hopes. There are probably 40 more who need help. Everyone has great suggestions but they all take money! I am only one person.I have even simply asked for scrap wood, scrap strofoam, straw, old dishes or bowls, never money and still no one will help. I even had one person suggest that people wouldn't help because I am not affiliated with a rescue group! Well, that is a catch 22, there is no rescue group down here. That is the point of my posts, to find help. My reply is simply,"If you can donate or help the cats with needed supplies, just put it out in the marshland. You don't need me to do it. Just drive down and pitch in." Sorry to vent, but I am so very frustrated at people's apathy these days. I just wish someone would care. Thank you for caring and for listening. Most Sincerely, Renee - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Hi Renee,I've lived outside of Princeton, on Long Beach Island and in Rockaway NJ, (near Morristown), but I live in CA now. Your post nearly brought me to tears. Knowing there are caring souls that can't turn their back on the sweet innocents gives me hope that the human race is moving in the right direction! I too care for ferals in my neighborhood without any support from neighbors, and very little help from rescue groups. If you find a network who is able to help you will you please pass on the info? Anytime you want to talk to someone about ferals, please feel free to email me directly. I do remember seeing a feral group on the internet, have you checked that out yet?NinaRenee M. Simon wrote: Hello, I am trying to find some help for a feral colony in Cumberland County NJ, some of whom have tested positive. I do not have any idea how many are ill, but I am not seeing any symptomatic cats. Can you refer me to anyone who might be willing to help in NJ? I am simply a homeowner/pet lover who lives here and I can no longer pretend that I do not see their suffering. I would like to have someone knowledgable about ferals to teach me how to bring attention to their cause and find them some help. I have contacted everyone I can think of and have read all that I can find on the subject. However, how does one person find funding and supplies to begin to help these cats? Thank you for your time. Most Sincerely, Renee Simon =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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I actually had to force feed my Ginger for over 3 months. She is also FelK positive, her appetites runs like a roller coaster sometimes, all of sudden, she stops eating as if she forgets to eat.. but she never acts sick or not feeling well at all, she just refuses food.. it happened about three times for the past year that I have had her.. but now, she is eating like a little piggy girl (thanks to my baby angel, Garfunkle).. you have to make sure though you give enough food to complement a day supplement for a kitty, if its too much to do at a time, you might have to give 6 servings or so to make it up.. a kitty needs 36cc food at least, I was told.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marissa Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Introduction Thanks for the tips! The vet did suggest Pepsid so I have been doing that. I am mainly concerned about his lack of appetitie, and general him not being himself. I mean how long can I force feed him? It's frustrating because I wish he could just tell me what is wrong and I could fix it! Marissa On 12/2/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I would order an over-the-counter diarrhea medicine for cats called Diarsanyl, which I have found really good for curing simple diarrhea. And slippery elm can help a lot with both nausea and diarrhea. Michelle
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Title: Message Thank you so much for your kindness. The going was tough the last 2 days and my tears have been many. We are a small beach community and today the winds have been 60mph with lots of flooding. I haven't seen any of the cats today and I wish they were warm and dry. It makes me sad to think that I cannot find help for them anywhere. Your kindness has helped a great deal. All my Best, Renee - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:07 PM Subject: RE: NJ feral group I wish I lived near you Renee.We all on this list totally relate and sympathise.Thank you for caring. [EMAIL PROTECTED] You could try contacting the group above and see if it's still activeI used to post quite a lot on it but haven't done so recently. Stay in touch---you'll always find a kind shoulder to cry on in this group when the going gets tough. hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Renee M. SimonSent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:51 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: NJ feral group Dear Nina, Thank you so much for your kind email. I am just so sad and have been crying like a fool for 2 days now. It just breaks my heart about these babies and I have tried so many things to no avail. I have even asked for help from people on Petfinder. No one is interested. I have 2 girls who come everyday at 11am. Sometimes they bring friends. I am just so very sad. It is a small poor beach community, so everyone is gone for the winter. I wish I could bring these girls inside and adopt them, but they seem to feral to me. I don't have high hopes. There are probably 40 more who need help. Everyone has great suggestions but they all take money! I am only one person.I have even simply asked for scrap wood, scrap strofoam, straw, old dishes or bowls, never money and still no one will help. I even had one person suggest that people wouldn't help because I am not affiliated with a rescue group! Well, that is a catch 22, there is no rescue group down here. That is the point of my posts, to find help. My reply is simply,"If you can donate or help the cats with needed supplies, just put it out in the marshland. You don't need me to do it. Just drive down and pitch in." Sorry to vent, but I am so very frustrated at people's apathy these days. I just wish someone would care. Thank you for caring and for listening. Most Sincerely, Renee - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Hi Renee,I've lived outside of Princeton, on Long Beach Island and in Rockaway NJ, (near Morristown), but I live in CA now. Your post nearly brought me to tears. Knowing there are caring souls that can't turn their back on the sweet innocents gives me hope that the human race is moving in the right direction! I too care for ferals in my neighborhood without any support from neighbors, and very little help from rescue groups. If you find a network who is able to help you will you please pass on the info? Anytime you want to talk to someone about ferals, please feel free to email me directly. I do remember seeing a feral group on the internet, have you checked that out yet?NinaRenee M. Simon wrote: Hello, I am trying to find some help for a feral colony in Cumberland County NJ, some of whom have tested positive. I do not have any idea how many are ill, but I am not seeing any symptomatic cats. Can you refer me to anyone who might be willing to help in NJ? I am simply a homeowner/pet lover who lives here and I can no longer pretend that I do not see their suffering. I would like to have someone knowledgable about ferals to teach me how to bring attention to their cause and find them some help. I have contacted everyone I can think of and have read all that I can find on the subject. However, how does one person find funding and supplies to begin to help these cats? Thank you for your time. Most Sincerely, Renee Simon=00 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion
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Renee, I've sent you a couple of emails off-list. Are you getting them? Nina Renee M. Simon wrote: Message Thank you so much for your kindness. The going was tough the last 2 days and my tears have been many. We are a small beach community and today the winds have been 60mph with lots of flooding. I haven't seen any of the cats today and I wish they were warm and dry. It makes me sad to think that I cannot find help for them anywhere. Your kindness has helped a great deal. All my Best, Renee
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Oh Nina, Thank you, thank you, thank you! YOU HAVE BEEN MY ANGEL TODAY. i was feeling so frustrated and your words really soothed my soul. I completely believe that the angels send certain kitties my way. Last summer a feral close to death arrived on my doorstep. After vetting and testing, wetook him in. He is sleeping next to me now. I found him collapsed on the grave of my beloved Miss Kitty. I really loved your ideas about shelter. I think I will open my crawl space tomorrow. I can't believe I didn't think of that! And this is farm land, so free pallets are always around! Maybe my hubby could get some heavy totes from work and we can use them. See, all I had to do was ask and wonderful help arrived. I cannot thank you enough! you have just eased my mind tremendously. At least I have a good start and something constructive to do tommorrow for Emma and Abby, as well as the others who live in the marsh. Three days ago, someone who was feeding one all summer decided to take him to the vet in hopes of adopting him. He tested positive, but was asymptomatic. I do not know if they kept him or pts. My boy Jasper was tested twice and was negative, so we were lucky. I currently have 4 cats and 2 dogs. I have over 3000sq ft so they all have their own places. My hope was to bring Emma into the house, but she seems to feral to me and I am not sure she would make the transition.She is about 2 yrs old I think. I don't know if she is positive or not and I don't have a room to keep her isolated safely. I am waiting for divine inspiration on that one! I am also going to write to my local newspapers and see if they can help,maybe an article? I will also post an ad to see if anyone can donate supplies. It is a start. I have lived here for 7 yrs. I am not sure why I felt compelled to do something now and not earlier. All I can do is my best. Emma really stole my heart. I really feel a connection to her. I pray for her every night and during the day I try to learn how to help and what else I need to learn. Low cost spay here is running about $75 a cat, which is hard for me to manage for more than a few. And certainly not for 30- 40. Thanks so much for being my angel today. I went from tears to really feeling like it is not hopeless. I appreciate the kindness you have shown me. Have a wonderful night! Renee - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:58 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Renee,I've sent you a couple of emails off-list. Are you getting them?NinaRenee M. Simon wrote: Thank you so much for your kindness. The going was tough the last 2 days and my tears have been many. We are a small beach community and today the winds have been 60mph with lots of flooding. I haven't seen any of the cats today and I wish they were warm and dry. It makes me sad to think that I cannot find help for them anywhere. Your kindness has helped a great deal. All my Best, Renee
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From: Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:03 PM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: NJ feral group Renee, can you research on line to find any rescue group in NJ (even if you are not close to them physically)? if you can hock up with a rescue group with 501C status (non profit), you can contact Purina and perhaps get a truck load of free food for your kitties. You dont really need to work with the rescue group, just explain the rescue group your situation and borrow their status (tax ID) to contact Purina so that you can be set up as a satellite - You can call Janet 641-472-4193 in Iowa she rescue and feed feral cats in Iowa and she gets truck load of cat food from Purina periodically. (tell her that Lila Williams gave your the number) Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Renee M. Simon Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: NJ feral group Dear Nina, Thank you so much for your kind email. I am just so sad and have been crying like a fool for 2 days now. It just breaks my heart about these babies and I have tried so many things to no avail. I have even asked for help from people on Petfinder. No one is interested. I have 2 girls who come everyday at 11am. Sometimes they bring friends. I am just so very sad. It is a small poor beach community, so everyone is gone for the winter. I wish I could bring these girls inside and adopt them, but they seem to feral to me. I don't have high hopes. There are probably 40 more who need help. Everyone has great suggestions but they all take money! I am only one person.I have even simply asked for scrap wood, scrap strofoam, straw, old dishes or bowls, never money and still no one will help. I even had one person suggest that people wouldn't help because I am not affiliated with a rescue group! Well, that is a catch 22, there is no rescue group down here. That is the point of my posts, to find help. My reply is simply,If you can donate or help the cats with needed supplies, just put it out in the marshland. You don't need me to do it. Just drive down and pitch in. Sorry to vent, but I am so very frustrated at people's apathy these days. I just wish someone would care. Thank you for caring and for listening. Most Sincerely, Renee - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Hi Renee, I've lived outside of Princeton, on Long Beach Island and in Rockaway NJ, (near Morristown), but I live in CA now. Your post nearly brought me to tears. Knowing there are caring souls that can't turn their back on the sweet innocents gives me hope that the human race is moving in the right direction! I too care for ferals in my neighborhood without any support from neighbors, and very little help from rescue groups. If you find a network who is able to help you will you please pass on the info? Anytime you want to talk to someone about ferals, please feel free to email me directly. I do remember seeing a feral group on the internet, have you checked that out yet? Nina Renee M. Simon wrote: Hello, I am trying to find some help for a feral colony in Cumberland County NJ, some of whom have tested positive. I do not have any idea how many are ill, but I am not seeing any symptomatic cats. Can you refer me to anyone who might be willing to help in NJ? I am simply a homeowner/pet lover who lives here and I can no longer pretend that I do not see their suffering. I would like to have someone knowledgable about ferals to teach me how to bring attention to their cause and find them some help. I have contacted everyone I can think of and have read all that I can find on the subject. However, how does one person find funding and supplies to begin to help these cats? Thank you for your time. Most Sincerely, Renee Simon
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Renee, can you research on line to find any rescue group in NJ (even if you are not close to them physically)? if you can hock up with a rescue group with 501C status (non profit), you can contact Purina and perhaps get a truck load of free food for your kitties. You dont really need to work with the rescue group, just explain the rescue group your situation and borrow their status (tax ID) to contact Purina so that you can be set up as a satellite - You can call Janet 641-472-4193 in Iowa she rescue and feed feral cats in Iowa and she gets truck load of cat food from Purina periodically. (tell her that Lila Williams gave your the number) Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Renee M. Simon Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: NJ feral group Dear Nina, Thank you so much for your kind email. I am just so sad and have been crying like a fool for 2 days now. It just breaks my heart about these babies and I have tried so many things to no avail. I have even asked for help from people on Petfinder. No one is interested. I have 2 girls who come everyday at 11am. Sometimes they bring friends. I am just so very sad. It is a small poor beach community, so everyone is gone for the winter. I wish I could bring these girls inside and adopt them, but they seem to feral to me. I don't have high hopes. There are probably 40 more who need help. Everyone has great suggestions but they all take money! I am only one person.I have even simply asked for scrap wood, scrap strofoam, straw, old dishes or bowls, never money and still no one will help. I even had one person suggest that people wouldn't help because I am not affiliated with a rescue group! Well, that is a catch 22, there is no rescue group down here. That is the point of my posts, to find help. My reply is simply,If you can donate or help the cats with needed supplies, just put it out in the marshland. You don't need me to do it. Just drive down and pitch in. Sorry to vent, but I am so very frustrated at people's apathy these days. I just wish someone would care. Thank you for caring and for listening. Most Sincerely, Renee - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Hi Renee, I've lived outside of Princeton, on Long Beach Island and in Rockaway NJ, (near Morristown), but I live in CA now. Your post nearly brought me to tears. Knowing there are caring souls that can't turn their back on the sweet innocents gives me hope that the human race is moving in the right direction! I too care for ferals in my neighborhood without any support from neighbors, and very little help from rescue groups. If you find a network who is able to help you will you please pass on the info? Anytime you want to talk to someone about ferals, please feel free to email me directly. I do remember seeing a feral group on the internet, have you checked that out yet? Nina Renee M. Simon wrote: Hello, I am trying to find some help for a feral colony in Cumberland County NJ, some of whom have tested positive. I do not have any idea how many are ill, but I am not seeing any symptomatic cats. Can you refer me to anyone who might be willing to help in NJ? I am simply a homeowner/pet lover who lives here and I can no longer pretend that I do not see their suffering. I would like to have someone knowledgable about ferals to teach me how to bring attention to their cause and find them some help. I have contacted everyone I can think of and have read all that I can find on the subject. However, how does one person find funding and supplies to begin to help these cats? Thank you for your time. Most Sincerely, Renee Simon
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Hi, Renee, if you ever decide to adopt Emma in let me know I can show you how to tame Emma about 90% of the cats I have are feral, or at least used to be feral cats and I have adopted all in my house over the course of years its amazing how feral cat can adopted into our lives and adjust well. They all love being inside and dont show any interests of going outside (and I have a few dozens of them) and if you are going to have her spay in near future, you can have her test at the same time, so that you can decide whether you can take her in or not (though through my experience, its hard for me to release back positives because of their conditions. But I feel like she has a good chance that she is negative for some reason. Please dont get discouraged I know how you feel, besides the ones I have in my house, I also go around feed about 50 feral in different colonies and I get overwhelmed and depressed very often, wishing that I could do more for them but I am just taking one day at a time, and do the best I can for them.. and you are doing the same. Love, Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Renee M. Simon Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: NJ feral group Oh Nina, Thank you, thank you, thank you! YOU HAVE BEEN MY ANGEL TODAY. i was feeling so frustrated and your words really soothed my soul. I completely believe that the angels send certain kitties my way. Last summer a feral close to death arrived on my doorstep. After vetting and testing, wetook him in. He is sleeping next to me now. I found him collapsed on the grave of my beloved Miss Kitty. I really loved your ideas about shelter. I think I will open my crawl space tomorrow. I can't believe I didn't think of that! And this is farm land, so free pallets are always around! Maybe my hubby could get some heavy totes from work and we can use them. See, all I had to do was ask and wonderful help arrived. I cannot thank you enough! you have just eased my mind tremendously. At least I have a good start and something constructive to do tommorrow for Emma and Abby, as well as the others who live in the marsh. Three days ago, someone who was feeding one all summer decided to take him to the vet in hopes of adopting him. He tested positive, but was asymptomatic. I do not know if they kept him or pts. My boy Jasper was tested twice and was negative, so we were lucky. I currently have 4 cats and 2 dogs. I have over 3000sq ft so they all have their own places. My hope was to bring Emma into the house, but she seems to feral to me and I am not sure she would make the transition.She is about 2 yrs old I think. I don't know if she is positive or not and I don't have a room to keep her isolated safely. I am waiting for divine inspiration on that one! I am also going to write to my local newspapers and see if they can help,maybe an article? I will also post an ad to see if anyone can donate supplies. It is a start. I have lived here for 7 yrs. I am not sure why I felt compelled to do something now and not earlier. All I can do is my best. Emma really stole my heart. I really feel a connection to her. I pray for her every night and during the day I try to learn how to help and what else I need to learn. Low cost spay here is running about $75 a cat, which is hard for me to manage for more than a few. And certainly not for 30- 40. Thanks so much for being my angel today. I went from tears to really feeling like it is not hopeless. I appreciate the kindness you have shown me. Have a wonderful night! Renee - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:58 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Renee, I've sent you a couple of emails off-list. Are you getting them? Nina Renee M. Simon wrote: Thank you so much for your kindness. The going was tough the last 2 days and my tears have been many. We are a small beach community and today the winds have been 60mph with lots of flooding. I haven't seen any of the cats today and I wish they were warm and dry. It makes me sad to think that I cannot find help for them anywhere. Your kindness has helped a great deal. All my Best, Renee
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Thank you so much! I would love to take in Emma. I took in a feral last summer and he was a piece of cake. He was cllose to death, so he took well to being in the house. Emma trusts me but is SO afraid. She would never come near me. But she sees me in the window, and she eats,grooms and suns herself. She has adopted me. I think my heart is bleeding because I care for this one so much and she seems so untouchable. I have 4 cats and 2 dogs. Would she endanger my cats if she was positive? She looks so healthy, but who knows. I have read that testing twice is good to do and that ELISA can give false positives. Any thoughts? How can I get Emma used to me? I have done all that I know: No direct eye contact, blink, head turned, kneel or crouch,lay down,speak slowly and softly. move slowly. I had a great suggestion to open my crawl space. I will do that tomorrow and see if she will live in there where I can get her to trust me. I do not want to trap her, terrify her,spay her and force her indoors without her trusting me. That is not my way. I believe in respecting what they are showing you. Sorry so long. I would love any ideas for helping me get Emma indoors eventually. As well as any ideas about how to help the many others who need a voice. Thanks again. Renee - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: RE: NJ feral group Hi, Renee, if you ever decide to adopt Emma in let me know I can show you how to tame Emma about 90% of the cats I have are feral, or at least used to be feral cats and I have adopted all in my house over the course of years its amazing how feral cat can adopted into our lives and adjust well. They all love being inside and dont show any interests of going outside (and I have a few dozens of them) and if you are going to have her spay in near future, you can have her test at the same time, so that you can decide whether you can take her in or not (though through my experience, its hard for me to release back positives because of their conditions. But I feel like she has a good chance that she is negative for some reason. Please dont get discouraged I know how you feel, besides the ones I have in my house, I also go around feed about 50 feral in different colonies and I get overwhelmed and depressed very often, wishing that I could do more for them but I am just taking one day at a time, and do the best I can for them.. and you are doing the same. Love, Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Renee M. SimonSent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:27 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: NJ feral group Oh Nina, Thank you, thank you, thank you! YOU HAVE BEEN MY ANGEL TODAY. i was feeling so frustrated and your words really soothed my soul. I completely believe that the angels send certain kitties my way. Last summer a feral close to death arrived on my doorstep. After vetting and testing, wetook him in. He is sleeping next to me now. I found him collapsed on the grave of my beloved Miss Kitty. I really loved your ideas about shelter. I think I will open my crawl space tomorrow. I can't believe I didn't think of that! And this is farm land, so free pallets are always around! Maybe my hubby could get some heavy totes from work and we can use them. See, all I had to do was ask and wonderful help arrived. I cannot thank you enough! you have just eased my mind tremendously. At least I have a good start and something constructive to do tommorrow for Emma and Abby, as well as the others who live in the marsh. Three days ago, someone who was feeding one all summer decided to take him to the vet in hopes of adopting him. He tested positive, but was asymptomatic. I do not know if they kept him or pts. My boy Jasper was tested twice and was negative, so we were lucky. I currently have 4 cats and 2 dogs. I have over 3000sq ft so they all have their own places. My hope was to bring Emma into the house, but she seems to feral to me and I am not sure she would make the transition.She is about 2 yrs old I think. I don't know if she is positive or not and I don't have a room to keep her isolated safely. I am waiting for divine inspiration on that one! I am also going to write to my local newspapers and see if they can help,maybe an article? I will also post an ad to see if anyone can donate supplies. It is a start. I have lived here for 7 yrs. I am not sure why I felt compelled to do something now and not earlier. All I can do is my best. Emma really stole my heart. I really feel a connection to her. I pray for her every night and during the day I try to learn how to help and what else I need to learn. Low cost
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In a message dated 12/2/05 7:28:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Low cost spay here is running about $75 a cat, which is hard for me to manage for more than a few. And certainly not for 30- 40 I'm in south central Pa., right on Mason Dixon Line. There are a few options here that will do low cost spay/neuter/ vx., and I can only speak from what has been done previously, BUT Since all this is out-of-pocket, I know that one org. will also test, and fees are reduced in these type of situations. Typically, it runs approx. $40/spay, worming+ $5/vx. Testing is $10-15. Another vet is $55/spay - includes vxs. worming. I think he also charges $15/test. Neutering w/ worming $30. Also, they will "tip" ears to make it easier to identify cats already done Anyway, there are groups that come from Delaware shore every month, they work solely with ferals. Come down in a van. Drop cats off, and return several hour later, pick up cats drive back. It's a very long day, especially since cats need to be trapped evening before, but it all works out. Would something like this be possible? Patti
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In a message dated 12/2/05 6:07:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You could try contacting the group above and see if it's still activeI used to post quite a lot on it but haven't done so recently Kerry/Renee~ The above group hasn't had any activity for quite some time. In fact, my last post was bounced back - moderator (John)never read it. Hope everything's ok with him, very nice man. Anyway, there is also - [EMAIL PROTECTED]However, seems like everyone in New Jersey is trying to help ferals... Patti
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I'm so sorry Sherry. You may have only met him one day before he passed, but you obviously made a connection.tonyaSherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I am sad to say that Arthur the kitty at Sids house the santuary I volunteer at had to be sent over the bridge yesterday due to liver failure.I only met him the night before he passed but I am so glad that I got to meet him,he was a sweetie and I got to give him some loving. Sherry Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.
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Renee, www.aceofspays.comLow cost -southern N.J. Is this close to you? Patti
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Thanks Patti. Yes it seems like there is feral help in NJ but only up north.We are very rural here.We are the poorest county in the state and no one even thinks twice about these cats. That Delaware group sounds wonderful but who pays for all of this? It takes money and right now basics like food aren't even being met. It is a daunting task. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:29 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group In a message dated 12/2/05 6:07:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You could try contacting the group above and see if it's still activeI used to post quite a lot on it but haven't done so recently Kerry/Renee~ The above group hasn't had any activity for quite some time. In fact, my last post was bounced back - moderator (John)never read it. Hope everything's ok with him, very nice man. Anyway, there is also - [EMAIL PROTECTED]However, seems like everyone in New Jersey is trying to help ferals... Patti
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Renee, Oh. I can imagine! Here I am, feeling a bit overwhelmed 'cause of the feral/strays here (I recently moved), but it's nowhere near the numbers you are dealing with! I was just "discussing" my group on another listwith food,vetting, etc., it is a financial strain on me, and my numbers are less. So far, I have not encountered any Felv/FIV positives, but have battled with distemper (2 survivors) and a HBC And I have a spay (nice straycan't believe she ended up on street! Oh yeah, that's right, people here DO DUMP their "pets" like trash), and a neuter,BIG, BIG TOM, that better get his butt in the trap Monday night!) Going in for the "works" Tuesday, fingers crossed that both are negative. (Thank god money grows on trees here in Pa. NOT!) The Delaware group is actually two women that have been tending these feral colonies for years! They also do all out-of-pocket, low cost program here even cuts cost down for them. I know some clinic nights they seem to arrive on barely more than a wing and a prayer. We are also getting hammered with very cold and windy weather. But, it is that time. I am also going to be working this weekend "fixing up" my shelters. Just wish I could do more... I can feel for you concerning Emma. This summer a feral mom and her kittens were dumped under a neighbors' bush in a boxMom escaped, I reared the 2 boys. I did trap mom, named her Charity, had her spayed, tested and then kept her in the barn hoping to be able to socialize her. (I ended up in hospital from bites when I trapped her. My fault, not her's. I'd bite a human after being stuffed in a box and thrown out!) We made some progress, she let me stroke her with her "plume". But she was miserable being confined. And one day, she got out and took off. I was going to re-trap her, but clearly, she was very unhappy confined.She was gone for many weeks, and she has come back. So, at least I know she has a warm, dry place food. But, I still worry. Especially seeing fatalities around herebusy roads. Hopefully you will have good luck with Emma. And, turn to Hideyo - she is the list's expert on ferals, and much more. She is a wonderful, wise and compassionate woman. She will help you out any way she can. She gave you a good tip with the Purina info. Worth a try, huh? Wishing you all the best, Patti
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I think my Roomba was around $250, BUT I bought it on the Home Shopping Club or something like that on one of their 'stretch pays', so I only had to pay about 65 a month for 4 months on my charge card.My popeye won't even let me open his mouth to look at his teeth, much less prise it open for a pill. :(tonyaveggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyonejust an update and a question. First question...how much does that Roomba cost? That sounds AWESOME! With a kitty, two rabbits, one who LOVES to kick her litter all over the place and 2 dogs that shed enough to make another dog, that would be AWESOME!Secondly, not a question but...YAY! I successfully gave Brooklyn his medication 3x already. Yesterday he got me, bit me but accidentally i think, then this morning he seemed to not fight as much, but he was also wrapped in my blankets. He was quick to forgive me this time and I feel as though he's getting used to it because he usually would sulk afterwards and today he just ran into the kitchen and asked for breakfast. So his appetite is back and even after he's been traumatized! The issue though, is that he tries to spit it out. He gurgles it up and drools out the meds. I feel so bad, it must taste SO awful. The dr gave me Flagyl/Albon mix in one and decided against the famitadine i have no idea how to spell that but I know you guys get it. Anyway, so Brooklyn is not so much opposed to me opening his mouth, he's good at that now, but as soon as he feels the syringe go into his mouth and he gets a taste of the meds, that's when he struggles. It really must taste disgusting. So, this morning I opened his mouth and tried not to touch the syringe to his mouth before squeezing it and carefully squeezed it into the back of his throat. He didn't spit up quite so much this time. He still has diarrhea but isn't throwing up anymore which, looking at him, seemed to take a LOT out of him. He seemed a little dehydrated yesterday but had plenty of water last night. Actually, he was drinking a lot. Is that a bad thing or a good thing? He was at the water bowl for a good few minutes or so. This morning he was out on the couch lounging in the sunlight coming in through the window. Never did that before. Guess he is feeling more comfortable. I'm glad to see that. So, we're doing better. :)Thanks for listening everyone and thanks so much for all your support!hugs,Rebecca
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Hi Patti, yes it's definately worth a try with the Purina. Yeah, we have a violent tom cat here and most of us would like to see him pts. He is a wiley beast though. I have never met a mean one besides him. Most are too scared and hungry to be mean. Oh yeah!! Dumping pets? That's how all of this came to be form what I hear. People leave after the summer and they leave these cats behind. Or better yet, when they have kittens in nearby towns, they dump them here because who would notice right? Well, it stinks,IMO. I am so happy to have found this group. I have learned more here in one day than I have for 8 months on Petfinder. So much attitude, judgment and criticism there. It can be counterproductive. Thanks again! Renee - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Renee, Oh. I can imagine! Here I am, feeling a bit overwhelmed 'cause of the feral/strays here (I recently moved), but it's nowhere near the numbers you are dealing with! I was just "discussing" my group on another listwith food,vetting, etc., it is a financial strain on me, and my numbers are less. So far, I have not encountered any Felv/FIV positives, but have battled with distemper (2 survivors) and a HBC And I have a spay (nice straycan't believe she ended up on street! Oh yeah, that's right, people here DO DUMP their "pets" like trash), and a neuter,BIG, BIG TOM, that better get his butt in the trap Monday night!) Going in for the "works" Tuesday, fingers crossed that both are negative. (Thank god money grows on trees here in Pa. NOT!) The Delaware group is actually two women that have been tending these feral colonies for years! They also do all out-of-pocket, low cost program here even cuts cost down for them. I know some clinic nights they seem to arrive on barely more than a wing and a prayer. We are also getting hammered with very cold and windy weather. But, it is that time. I am also going to be working this weekend "fixing up" my shelters. Just wish I could do more... I can feel for you concerning Emma. This summer a feral mom and her kittens were dumped under a neighbors' bush in a boxMom escaped, I reared the 2 boys. I did trap mom, named her Charity, had her spayed, tested and then kept her in the barn hoping to be able to socialize her. (I ended up in hospital from bites when I trapped her. My fault, not her's. I'd bite a human after being stuffed in a box and thrown out!) We made some progress, she let me stroke her with her "plume". But she was miserable being confined. And one day, she got out and took off. I was going to re-trap her, but clearly, she was very unhappy confined.She was gone for many weeks, and she has come back. So, at least I know she has a warm, dry place food. But, I still worry. Especially seeing fatalities around herebusy roads. Hopefully you will have good luck with Emma. And, turn to Hideyo - she is the list's expert on ferals, and much more. She is a wonderful, wise and compassionate woman. She will help you out any way she can. She gave you a good tip with the Purina info. Worth a try, huh? Wishing you all the best, Patti
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This tattered tom is one very "savvy" boy. First time I trapped him, he just sat back, let me stroke his head thru trap. and I am thinking, "He's not bad at all..." Well, in attempting to transfer from trap to carrier, he showed his stuff! He must've knew I was wearing gloves, so he dove right into my stomach - bit thru SS and long-johns! Ouch! This time, he will remain in trap. I can be savvy too, Big Boy! Patti
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I will most certainly give it a try!Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I have a couple of those.. its very difficult to pill a cat anyway what I do with those a difficult cat is to, first crush pill and mix it in a small amount of the baby food and put the baby food (with crushed pill) in a syringe and squirt in their mouth.. it works pretty well they usually dont spit back either as the baby food covers the taste of the medicine. you just have to be careful to direct into the side pocket of their mouth and not directly to throat.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:41 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Sigh... I don't know. I've rescued lots and lots of cats over the years, plus worked at the shelter, and pilled hundreds and hundreds. BUT, I have one cat, Popeye, that I've discussed on here before, that I absolutely cannot pill.He is in my face all the time. I can't sit down without him laying on me. I can't talk on the phone without including him in the conversation, etc Definitely not a scaredy cat or mean cat. But he clamps down his mouth and I can't hold it open. There are sharp teeth in there. And he scratches and KICKS at me with all 4 paws. I've tried everything. If I give ANOTHER cat some medicine in a treat or some wet food he wants it. But if I put his medicine in a treat or wet food he won't touch it.If by some miracle I do get the pill in I will hold his mouth closed for a while, but eventually I will find the pill spit back out!How do you hold a cat's mouth open when he is trying to bite you!?tDudes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle,That's genius. Will definitely keep that one tucked away for future reference. Sandy- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:35 AMSubject: Re: Sigh...I have not been following this thread much, but here is what I do to pill: Buy Nutrical or some other tube of gelatinous cat supplement. Stick the pill in the middle of a gob of it. Get behind the cat and hold the cat with one hand, while with the other opening the cat's mouth. With the hand opening the cat's mouth, use one finger to hold the lower jaw down so the cat cannot close the mouth and then with the finger that has the goo/pill on it stick the gob on the back of the tongue or down the throat. This always works for me, even with cats hard to pill. Another version is to cut the tip off a 1 cc or 3 cc plastic syringe so it has a wide opening, suck up some Nutrical or other goo in it, stick the pill in that, and use the syringe like a piller to pop the pill and goo down the cat's throat.Michelle
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That's why I am afraid of trapping them. I don't know what the heck to do and i don't want to hurt them or me in the process! Hey, their survival instinct kept them alive this long and now we have done the one thing they have been trying to avoid all of their lives! Yup, I'd bite ans claw too! I call this guy Cujo. He just is. Huge, nasty and all torn up. Nasty cat. He almost killed my feral Jasper before we brought him inside. If I hadn't been there with a broom, he would have been dead. Jasper was so weak and sick he couldn't even stand. He was literally a skeleton, and this guy wanted his food. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:54 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group This tattered tom is one very "savvy" boy. First time I trapped him, he just sat back, let me stroke his head thru trap. and I am thinking, "He's not bad at all..." Well, in attempting to transfer from trap to carrier, he showed his stuff! He must've knew I was wearing gloves, so he dove right into my stomach - bit thru SS and long-johns! Ouch! This time, he will remain in trap. I can be savvy too, Big Boy! Patti
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Can you just trap Cujo prior to neutering, and then just leave him in trap. Vet can anesthesize him in trap, and then place him in carrier while he's still under, after surgery? That's what I am doing this time with "Black Bart" ~ (not too original, but they all deserve names.) Patti
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I haven't even approached the neutering aspect yet. I am tapped out just feeding everyone. I would need some help down here for other things to be done. Heck, I need help with feeding them. There are many hungry cold cats here, and I am only one person without a trust fund or a rich husband! In fact my hubby kindly worked an extra day this week just for feral food. We do what we can.Black Bart...that's cute. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:10 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Can you just trap Cujo prior to neutering, and then just leave him in trap. Vet can anesthesize him in trap, and then place him in carrier while he's still under, after surgery? That's what I am doing this time with "Black Bart" ~ (not too original, but they all deserve names.) Patti
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In a message dated 12/2/05 10:21:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am only one person without a trust fund or a rich husband! In fact my hubby kindly worked an extra day this week just for feral food. Renee~ Yeah, no trust fund or rich husband here either. In fact, no husband, period. Seems to me you are fortunate to have a partner willing to help (financially, anyway) take care of the ferals. It's tough. I spend more money feeding all the critters here, (my 4 dogs, 5 cats, PLUS 5 "foster" cats the ferals), than I do on myself! "Live simply, so others may simply live." Words I do live by Patti
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Live simply, so others may simply live!! I love that! Yes, I believe that is something I will put somewhere where I can see it everyday.I am going to have to get creative with feeding them. Lately I have been adding in rice and pasta to help beef up their body weight. They love the wet food, but sometimes I worry that it is too rich/oily for their tender systems. I am also going to list a bunch of stuff on ebay, maybe that will help. I have to post flyers to see if people will donate food. I will print some up tomorrow, if this fever ever goes away and I begin to feel human and mobile again! LOL - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:27 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group In a message dated 12/2/05 10:21:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am only one person without a trust fund or a rich husband! In fact my hubby kindly worked an extra day this week just for feral food. Renee~ Yeah, no trust fund or rich husband here either. In fact, no husband, period. Seems to me you are fortunate to have a partner willing to help (financially, anyway) take care of the ferals. It's tough. I spend more money feeding all the critters here, (my 4 dogs, 5 cats, PLUS 5 "foster" cats the ferals), than I do on myself! "Live simply, so others may simply live." Words I do live by Patti
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Lately I have been adding in rice and pasta to help beef up their body weight. Actually, by doing that, you are doing exactly the opposite of what you intend to do. Cats are carnivores, and do not get hardly any benefit from carbohydrates, they are built to run on animal derived FAT and PROTEIN. You would be better off adding MORE fat to their food than pasta and rice. Any meat trimmings you might get when you prepare your own food, like the skin off chicken, or the fat trimmed offsteaks would be of benefit to the cats. A little bacon grease stirred into the food would boost the fat content and help too, but don't add too much or they may end up with diarrhea. Make sure that if you give them any kind of pork fat or meat, that it is WELL cooked, because pigs carry tritrichimonsis, and it is highly contagious to cats (and humans). You don't need to cook beef or chicken before feeding that. In addition, feeding pasta and rice to cats will cause taurine deficiency, which leads to blindness in cats. A little is OK, but it's not something you want to regularly use to dilute the cat food to make it go further. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to!~Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/190 - Release Date: 12/1/2005
Re: NJ feral group (NJ feral groups that might help you)
http://www.nj-ara.org/ferals/ferals.html(NJ) http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/(NY) http://www.alleycat.org/wheretnr.html#nj(NJ - alley cat allies working with partners in NJ) http://www.care4strays.org/index.html(NJ) http://www.petfinder.org/shelters/NJ187.html(NJ - TNR info lower down on page) http://www.njferals.org/(NJ) http://www.grdodge.org/woa_main.htm(NJ animal welfare funding/grants) http://www.whiskersrescue.org/(NJ) http://www.state.nj.us/health/cd/spayneut.htm(NJ - low cost spay/neuter for low income people) http://members.petfinder.org/~NJ44/HOME.html(NJ - local spca, no feral help shown on site, but maybe they could refer you to someone local) http://www.nj.com/living/ledger/index.ssf?/base/living-0/113186142498600.xmlcoll=1(write to this NJ newspaper, tell them your story, it may help. Write to the other feral caretakers listed in it, ask them for advice/help. FYI, I have offered to take a number of the cemetery ferals this article refers to) http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/carolscats.html(NJ) I could do this all night, and find hundreds for you... try these, if they can't help you, go to http://google.com and search Feral Cat NJ, and you'll come across all these and more. I'm tired and going to bed. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to!~Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/190 - Release Date: 12/1/2005
