Re: New member/old member
Have you checked his thyroid? That can cause hair lose and some vets don't test for it. They don't believe a cat can be hypothyroid. Is he scratching or biting a lot? Good luck with Stamp. He is a lucky little boy. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Gussies mom To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:10 AM Subject: New member/old member Hello- My name is Beth and I used to be on this list several years ago. I had several FeLV kitties - Hope, Miss Gussie and Tommy to name a few. When my beloved Tommy (Bubba) died a few years ago I unsubscribed. I have started volunteering with a shelter that has brought me a wonderful gift - a 3 month old black FeLV kitten named Stamp (found at the post office) He is healthy except that he is loosing hair. He was skin tested for ringworm - negative. Was on Clavamox for 10 days. We are now trying Prednilisone? I have decided not to vaccinate. He will be mixing with at least one of my negative cats. Hope to see some old faces here and hear from some new ones! Beth -- Sponsored Link Don't quit your job - take classes online and earn your degree in 1 year. Start Today
Re: Sanctuary
Thanks! That's helpful but I also wanted to know if anyone out there has had any experience with them? Thanks again -- PAT Evan Dee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found the following on Petfinder: http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/paradisegardenanimalhaven.html contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doljan, Joan wrote: No, I couldn't find much about them. That is not a good sign. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patricia Lamoretti Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sanctuary Did you ever find out anything about Paradise Garden? I'm looking for a place for a feral cat that was never socialized as a kitten and lived with an elderly man who has now passed. We need to find her a safe, indoor environment. Any information you can provide would be great. Thanks -- PAT Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone heard of Paradise Garden Animal Haven in Woodhull, N.Y? Thanks, Joan Sponsored Link Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro-*Terms - Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment
Re: Sanctuary
You're welcome Pat. I've not had any experience with them myself - and there is precious little to be found on the net. ~ Evan Patricia Lamoretti wrote: Thanks!That's helpful but I alsowanted to know if anyone out there has had any experience with them? Thanks again -- PAT Evan Dee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found the following on Petfinder: http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/paradisegardenanimalhaven.html contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doljan, Joan wrote: No, I couldn't find much about them. That is not a good sign. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Patricia Lamoretti Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sanctuary Did you ever find out anything about Paradise Garden?I'm looking for a place for a feral cat that was never socialized as a kitten and lived with an elderly man who has now passed. We need to find her a safe, indoor environment. Any information you can provide would be great. Thanks -- PAT Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone heard of Paradise Garden Animal Haven in Woodhull, N.Y? Thanks, Joan Sponsored Link Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro-*Terms Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment
Re: Sanctuary
now that i know where it is, turns out i have contacts in the area--i'll ask them! On 11/18/06, Evan Dee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're welcome Pat. I've not had any experience with them myself - and there is precious little to be found on the net. ~ Evan Patricia Lamoretti wrote: Thanks! That's helpful but I also wanted to know if anyone out there has had any experience with them? Thanks again -- PAT Evan Dee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found the following on Petfinder: http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/paradisegardenanimalhaven.html contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doljan, Joan wrote: No, I couldn't find much about them. That is not a good sign. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patricia Lamoretti Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sanctuary Did you ever find out anything about Paradise Garden? I'm looking for a place for a feral cat that was never socialized as a kitten and lived with an elderly man who has now passed. We need to find her a safe, indoor environment. Any information you can provide would be great. Thanks -- PAT Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone heard of Paradise Garden Animal Haven in Woodhull, N.Y? Thanks, Joan Sponsored Link Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro-*Terms Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: New member/old member
Welcome back Beth, and congrats on your new baby! I've learned that having a half bald cat isn't so bad, so long as he's not itchy and miserable, I wouldn't worry about it too much, hair is cosmetic! Phaewryn (you'll remember me as Jenn most likely, I've changed my name, my FELV baby's name was Moogie) Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
LOL, Utah isn't really on my list of places to live either! Well, there are other professions where you work with animals that isn't as sad as the vet offices are, and there are lots of other shelters besides Best Friends (the ASPCA in NY is always hiring it seems), but you're right, so long as you are working with animals, there's always some potential for heartbreak involved. Maybe you could get a job that involves more working outside, and not being locked in a building with all those high-and-mightiers. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html
Re: Bandy and Inky update
Poor Bandy! I wish you could get his ringworm under control, he's been suffering with it for SO long now, poor baby. Is it possible that his immune system is causing the ringworm reoccurrences? Could it be a low immune system, making his body more susceptible, or the other way, could his immune system be attacking the inflamed areas and arggravating the ringworm? I have not tried to look this up, just trying to come up with a reason WHY he's had it for so long. Ringworm usually has a life cycle, and disappears on it's own in a few months. Is you vet sure it's not an auto-immune system response attacking his own skin, rather than the ringworm? It's possible that if you're giving Interferon, it could be causing an extreme immune response Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Do you have ANY houseplants Hideyo, any plants inside at all, or where the cats can access them? Do you have any peeling paint on anything (walls, windowsills, tables, cabinets)? Is there any stuffing or fibers that the cats can touch hanging out of any of your furniture or beds? Can the cats access a basement or go in any walls or ceilings? Do you clean with Pine-Sol (I've heard it's toxic to cats)? Do you have any art or office supplies the cats can be near like paints, toner, ink, glue, solvents, etc? Do you have any mold or mildew in your bathroom (some molds are toxic)? Do you use a toilet bowl drop in bowl cleaner (the kind that turns the water blue, or that contains bleach)? Can the cats chew on the toilet brush after you've used a toxic cleaner with it? Can your cats get into any cabinets where you store chemicals or cleaners? Can your cats access your garage? Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html
Tsunade
Tsunade got really sick mon and threw up at least 12 times through wed, it was spit and fur at 1st, then it was all stomach acid. She stopped eating and was acting very sluggish and depressed, so I took her to the vet Thursday. Good news! they did basic bloodwork and she has normal wbc(white blood cells) and her rbc count was a little high due to dehydration. Her heart, mouth, lungs, and stomach looked and felt good (vet did an exam). So she got some antibiotics and nasuea medicine and now she is feeling much better. She ate today and yesterday. The vet said she was very good and looked and acted very healthy. At the vet she was scared and just hunkered down near the wall, if she had been feeling better she would have been showing off and playing. So sorry to all those who have lost their cats lately, too many. Sincerly, Chelsea and Tsunade
Re: Tsunade
I'm glad to hear Tsunade is doing better, and your vet is confident in her health! Maybe her body just doesn't like the food you are feeding? Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
If you look at Dr. Addie's description of dry FIP on her website, it does sound like it's possible that Hideyo's cats are getting it. Michelle
Re: Tsunade
Do they know what it is? Does she have diarrhea at all? any weight loss? IBD (inflamamtory bowel disease) can show up as only vomiting. It is usually treated with special diet (sometimes home-made) and sometimes with flagyl and/or steroids. Michelle In a message dated 11/18/2006 2:07:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tsunade got really sick mon and threw up at least 12 times through wed, it was spit and fur at 1st, then it was all stomach acid. She stopped eating and was acting very sluggish and depressed, so I took her to the vet Thursday. Good news! they did basic bloodwork and she has normal wbc(white blood cells) and her rbc count was a little high due to dehydration. Her heart, mouth, lungs, and stomach looked and felt good (vet did an exam). So she got some antibiotics and nasuea medicine and now she is feeling much better. She ate today and yesterday. The vet said she was very good and looked and acted very healthy. At the vet she was scared and just hunkered down near the wall, if she had been feeling better she would have been showing off and playing. So sorry to all those who have lost their cats lately, too many.
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Dry FIP is very hard to diagnose because the general symptoms are consistent with so many other diseases. It is very easy to misdiagnose dry FIP and miss the real cause of something. Also, the rapid onset, ages of some of the cats, and the number who are being stricken in such a short period of time are NOT consistent with dry FIP. What Hideyo describes across the board is consistent with ingesting a toxic substance. And if you look at the cats individually you can identify other illnesses that would present with the same symptoms. Unfortunately, since I do shelter rescues, I have seen a few cases of dry FIP this year and last. And I have researched FIP in an attempt to deal with what I have seen. What Hideyo describes is not typical of FIP in a shelter or rescue environment. Some of the cats, maybe, but not all of them in the time frame and with the symptoms describes. There may be something else going on and I would not assume FIP to the exclusion of any other explanation. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you look at Dr. Addie's description of dry FIP on her website, it does sound like it's possible that Hideyo's cats are getting it. Michelle
Re: Bandy and Inky update
Kerry, We're pulling for you, Bandy, and Inky here. t Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it has been one of those weeks...First, Bandy...I got up Wed. and Bandy had rubbed all the hair off the right side of his face..He has ringworm again and I got the fulvicin started again last Fri.. It takes several days for it to start working so here we go again...I took him to the vet and he has an ear infection which has caused him to rub his face..so now he is off the otomax as it seems to make him shake his head worse and rub his face..So he is on clavamox so we hopefully won't get a skin infection...He didn't have a temp either so that is a good thing...Anyway, I hope we are on the mend again...After Thanksgiving I am going to board him for the day and get some help to really clean his room with lots of bleach...to try to get rid of this stuff...I don't have any place to keep him so that is all I can...wish him luck Inky is now on low dose metronidazole..daily.. .3cc liquid or 1/8 pill whichever he will take for the day..it does help him. This week he is feeling bad one day and ok the next so I dont' know what to think..I guess it is the IBD that gives him the most trouble...When all else fails, he will eat mash potatoes..guess it feels good on his stomach...the K/D seems to make him sick anymore and he really likes it..But we can't have him throwing up all the time either...He is drinking ok broth and water.. Please keep the prayers coming for my 2 boys..We are doing the same for you.. Head butts to all... Thanks again, Kerry, Bandy and Inky - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Yeah.. I did consult both Dr. Addie and Dr. Ishida (who was the original doctor who succeed treating FIP with FOI) when Dharma was going through illness - from what I described, they agreed that it was probably FIP as well _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? If you look at Dr. Addie's description of dry FIP on her website, it does sound like it's possible that Hideyo's cats are getting it. Michelle
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Susan, none of my cats had a rapid onset of the illness- I knew that something was wrong with Naomi before my vet event thought something was wrong for about two months.. she thought it was nutricious thing - but she never really got that big.. it was very subtle, and chronic.. and the same was Dharma - they ate okay, and move around just fine.. just not as active as a kitten should be.. if you know what I mean.. Dharma was doing very well when Naomi was sick, but gradually she became a bit inactive - and started running low grade fever, and her pupil's size got a little bit irregular size.. and finally I took her to the doctor as I felt that it was not just URIs - and did blood work that's when she shows moderately anemic, high globulin and I started on interferon right away just in case it was FIP.. Peter's illness was not acute either I just failed to notice something was wrong with Peter since I was so busy watching Naomi - he had lost lots of weight by the time I noticed that something war wrong . it was not acute, but very subtle until towards end and did not know it - if I had paid more attention to Peter, things might have been different as he was a little bit older boy and may be there was a better chance to save his life with interferon and I kick mysef for that all the time - it makes me so bad when I think of it.. and the same thing for Olive, it was not acute on set - she was feral and used to hide all the time, and she had a long hair, and did not know that she was getting sick .. again, I was too busy watching Dharma and did not notice Olive's illness - her liver values elevated, and it must have taken a few weeks to get that bad - and again,, I failed to see it... just to me Peter's and Olive's illness were very sudden and quick, but they really weren't - if I had paid more attention to them, I would have noticed them at least a couple of months ago.. - rikki's illness were very chronic.. I noticed several months ago he had been losing weight as Peter did.. I first thought it was either liver or kidney - -but blood work was not indicating neither - only thing was high globulin and moderaly anemic - but again a lot of my cats have been.. and rikki is an older kitty so I was hoping that he did not have FIP - and still don't know for sure.. I am sorry Susan, if I did not describe their conditions well - now I hope it makes sense to you..why I have been saying that it is FIP that killing my babies. now I am dealing with two kitties who are less than 1 year old Tony and Lizzy (she is my bottle baby) -started showing some similar signs as Naomi and Dharma originally did - Lizzy is 6 months old but she only weight 3.10 lb - but did not worry about her as she has been very active.. but she has URIs that she can't get rid of. She has lost some weights - and Tony has started with sneeze and low grade fever, letharzy for the past week or two.. I am not convinced that they have FIP right now - no neurological sign or anything - it might be pre-FIP stage-who knows.. but as you may notice, I am paranoid. .so I started on FOI right away -hoping that we can get rid of any viral stuff going on in them.. Hideyo _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Dry FIP is very hard to diagnose because the general symptoms are consistent with so many other diseases. It is very easy to misdiagnose dry FIP and miss the real cause of something. Also, the rapid onset, ages of some of the cats, and the number who are being stricken in such a short period of time are NOT consistent with dry FIP. What Hideyo describes across the board is consistent with ingesting a toxic substance. And if you look at the cats individually you can identify other illnesses that would present with the same symptoms. Unfortunately, since I do shelter rescues, I have seen a few cases of dry FIP this year and last. And I have researched FIP in an attempt to deal with what I have seen. What Hideyo describes is not typical of FIP in a shelter or rescue environment. Some of the cats, maybe, but not all of them in the time frame and with the symptoms describes. There may be something else going on and I would not assume FIP to the exclusion of any other explanation. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you look at Dr. Addie's description of dry FIP on her website, it does sound like it's possible that Hideyo's cats are getting it. Michelle
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Thank you for all the ideas - one thing you guys have to know.. I am so obsessed and paranoid anything can be potentially dangerous to my cat - I keep no plants except I may buy wheat grass or cat mint occasically - and I do not use any harsh chemicals to clean my house - everyting is ORGANIC - I use reverse osmsis to give water to my cats - I do not use any food with artificial preservative. All my cats are indoors - the only ting is mold or mildew .. there might be somewhere - that's a possibility - what could it cause? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Do you have ANY houseplants Hideyo, any plants inside at all, or where the cats can access them? Do you have any peeling paint on anything (walls, windowsills, tables, cabinets)? Is there any stuffing or fibers that the cats can touch hanging out of any of your furniture or beds? Can the cats access a basement or go in any walls or ceilings? Do you clean with Pine-Sol (I've heard it's toxic to cats)? Do you have any art or office supplies the cats can be near like paints, toner, ink, glue, solvents, etc? Do you have any mold or mildew in your bathroom (some molds are toxic)? Do you use a toilet bowl drop in bowl cleaner (the kind that turns the water blue, or that contains bleach)? Can the cats chew on the toilet brush after you've used a toxic cleaner with it? Can your cats get into any cabinets where you store chemicals or cleaners? Can your cats access your garage? Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
I just don't know Hideyo it sounds like you're doing everything good to me. You should know that organic doesn't necessarily mean safe when it comes to cats. Some of the organic things they use as cleaners can be twice as toxic to cats as plain old chemical cleaners. Read the ingredients and cross-reference everything in all your organic supplies that you use where the cats could come into contact with it on a cat poisonous plants website... here's a couple of good ones: http://www.cfainc.org/articles/plants.html http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pro_apcc_toxicplants and for household toxins: http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pro_apcc_poisonsafe Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
It is very easy to get paranoid with FIP. I always worry about it if someone
misses a meal or seems to be sleeping more than usual. But don't let yourself
be so convinced that everyone who has died in the past month or two or three is
the result of FIP. I think you have something else going on. Some may have
had FIP but others? Keep looking. I think there is more to it.
Dry FIP usually takes at least 2-4 months from the first little sign of
trouble -- lethargy, loss of appetite -- before the cat dies. Weight loss is
gradual. At the end the cat is truly anorexic in appearance but it takes time
to get there. Neurological signs do not occur in all cases. And it is highly
unusual to lose so many in such a short period of time. Not unheard of but
rare and usually involving a commercial cattery with a lot of questionable
breeding practices.
You need to start doing a necropsy on everyone who dies. That is the only
way you can be certain if it was dry FIP. Until then, don't make that
assumption. Otherwise you may miss something that is treatable or preventable.
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Susan, none of my cats had a rapid onset of the illness I knew that
something was wrong with Naomi before my vet event thought something was wrong
for about two months.. she thought it was nutricious thing but she never
really got that big.. it was very subtle, and chronic.. and the same was Dharma
they ate okay, and move around just fine.. just not as active as a kitten
should be.. if you know what I mean.. Dharma was doing very well when Naomi was
sick, but gradually she became a bit inactive and started running low grade
fever, and her pupils size got a little bit irregular size.. and finally I
took her to the doctor as I felt that it was not just URIs and did blood work
thats when she shows moderately anemic, high globulin and I started on
interferon right away just in case it was FIP..
Peters illness was not acute either
I just failed to notice something was wrong with Peter since I was so busy
watching Naomi he had lost lots of weight by the time I noticed that
something war wrong . it was not acute, but very subtle until towards end and
did not know it if I had paid more attention to Peter, things might have been
different as he was a little bit older boy and may be there was a better chance
to save his life with interferon and I kick mysef for that all the time - it
makes me so bad when I think of it.. and the same thing for Olive, it was not
acute on set she was feral and used to hide all the time, and she had a long
hair, and did not know that she was getting sick .. again, I was too busy
watching Dharma and did not notice Olives illness her liver values elevated,
and it must have taken a few weeks to get that bad and again,, I failed to
see it
just to me Peters and Olives illness were very sudden and quick, but
they really werent if I had paid more attention to
them, I would have noticed them at least a couple of months ago.. rikkis
illness were very chronic.. I noticed several months ago he had been losing
weight as Peter did.. I first thought it was either liver or kidney - -but
blood work was not indicating neither only thing was high globulin and
moderaly anemic but again a lot of my cats have been.. and rikki is an older
kitty so I was hoping that he did not have FIP and still dont know for sure..
I am sorry Susan, if I did not describe their conditions well now I hope it
makes sense to you..why I have been saying that it is FIP that killing my
babies.
now I am dealing with two kitties who are less than 1 year old Tony and
Lizzy (she is my bottle baby) started showing some similar signs as Naomi and
Dharma originally did Lizzy is 6 months old but she only weight 3.10 lb but
did not worry about her as she has been very active.. but she has URIs that she
cant get rid of. She has lost some weights and Tony has started with sneeze
and low grade fever, letharzy for the past week or two.. I am not convinced
that they have FIP right now no neurological sign or anything it might be
pre-FIP stagewho knows.. but as you may notice, I am paranoid. .so I started
on FOI right away hoping that we can get rid of any viral stuff going on in
them..
Hideyo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Dry FIP is very hard to diagnose because the general symptoms are
consistent with so many other diseases. It is very easy to misdiagnose dry FIP
and miss the real cause
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Please know that no one is picking on you. We are asking so many questions out of total concern for you and your little ones. Each of use brings some different experiences to the table. I was never very aware of the dangers of philodendrons with cats until Dixie started showing some interest in house plants. No other cat had. Needless to say, I am having to re-home some plants I really like. Today she reacted very badly to a cologne a friend had on...she wanted nothing to do with him and she is a very social cat. She even hissed at him and, in the almost two years I have known her, I have never heard her hiss at a person. Arsenic is organic as are a large number of poisons. And people have awful reactions to somethings like new carpet fumes or glues. ls it possible that someone has used an insecticide or something that you would not know about? We all know how much you love your cats and what good care you take of them. Please don't take any of the questions or comments wrong. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? It is very easy to get paranoid with FIP. I always worry about it if someone misses a meal or seems to be sleeping more than usual. But don't let yourself be so convinced that everyone who has died in the past month or two or three is the result of FIP. I think you have something else going on. Some may have had FIP but others? Keep looking. I think there is more to it. Dry FIP usually takes at least 2-4 months from the first little sign of trouble -- lethargy, loss of appetite -- before the cat dies. Weight loss is gradual. At the end the cat is truly anorexic in appearance but it takes time to get there. Neurological signs do not occur in all cases. And it is highly unusual to lose so many in such a short period of time. Not unheard of but rare and usually involving a commercial cattery with a lot of questionable breeding practices. You need to start doing a necropsy on everyone who dies. That is the only way you can be certain if it was dry FIP. Until then, don't make that assumption. Otherwise you may miss something that is treatable or preventable. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, none of my cats had a rapid onset of the illness- I knew that something was wrong with Naomi before my vet event thought something was wrong for about two months.. she thought it was nutricious thing - but she never really got that big.. it was very subtle, and chronic.. and the same was Dharma - they ate okay, and move around just fine.. just not as active as a kitten should be.. if you know what I mean.. Dharma was doing very well when Naomi was sick, but gradually she became a bit inactive - and started running low grade fever, and her pupil's size got a little bit irregular size.. and finally I took her to the doctor as I felt that it was not just URIs - and did blood work that's when she shows moderately anemic, high globulin and I started on interferon right away just in case it was FIP.. Peter's illness was not acute either I just failed to notice something was wrong with Peter since I was so busy watching Naomi - he had lost lots of weight by the time I noticed that something war wrong . it was not acute, but very subtle until towards end and did not know it - if I had paid more attention to Peter, things might have been different as he was a little bit older boy and may be there was a better chance to save his life with interferon and I kick mysef for that all the time - it makes me so bad when I think of it.. and the same thing for Olive, it was not acute on set - she was feral and used to hide all the time, and she had a long hair, and did not know that she was getting sick .. again, I was too busy watching Dharma and did not notice Olive's illness - her liver values elevated, and it must have taken a few weeks to get that bad - and again,, I failed to see it. just to me Peter's and Olive's illness were very sudden and quick, but they really weren't - if I had paid more attention to them, I would have noticed them at least a couple of months ago.. - rikki's illness were very chronic.. I noticed several months ago he had been losing weight as Peter did.. I first thought it was either liver or kidney - -but blood work was not indicating neither - only thing was high globulin and moderaly anemic - but again a lot of my
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
At 03:19 PM 11/18/2006, you wrote: I agree.. I did not know how dangerous those foam mats from Costco areMy Tiger has just had his second surgery, the mats are gone,,my pocketbook is dry, We are all here to share and help each other,, Kelly Please know that no one is picking on you. We are asking so many questions out of total concern for you and your little ones. Each of use brings some different experiences to the table. I was never very aware of the dangers of philodendrons with cats until Dixie started showing some interest in house plants. No other cat had. Needless to say, I am having to re-home some plants I really like. Today she reacted very badly to a cologne a friend had on...she wanted nothing to do with him and she is a very social cat. She even hissed at him and, in the almost two years I have known her, I have never heard her hiss at a person. Arsenic is organic as are a large number of poisons. And people have awful reactions to somethings like new carpet fumes or glues. ls it possible that someone has used an insecticide or something that you would not know about? We all know how much you love your cats and what good care you take of them. Please don't take any of the questions or comments wrong. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Susan Hoffman To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? It is very easy to get paranoid with FIP. I always worry about it if someone misses a meal or seems to be sleeping more than usual. But don't let yourself be so convinced that everyone who has died in the past month or two or three is the result of FIP. I think you have something else going on. Some may have had FIP but others? Keep looking. I think there is more to it. Dry FIP usually takes at least 2-4 months from the first little sign of trouble -- lethargy, loss of appetite -- before the cat dies. Weight loss is gradual. At the end the cat is truly anorexic in appearance but it takes time to get there. Neurological signs do not occur in all cases. And it is highly unusual to lose so many in such a short period of time. Not unheard of but rare and usually involving a commercial cattery with a lot of questionable breeding practices. You need to start doing a necropsy on everyone who dies. That is the only way you can be certain if it was dry FIP. Until then, don't make that assumption. Otherwise you may miss something that is treatable or preventable. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, none of my cats had a rapid onset of the illness I knew that something was wrong with Naomi before my vet event thought something was wrong for about two months.. she thought it was nutricious thing but she never really got that big.. it was very subtle, and chronic.. and the same was Dharma they ate okay, and move around just fine.. just not as active as a kitten should be.. if you know what I mean.. Dharma was doing very well when Naomi was sick, but gradually she became a bit inactive and started running low grade fever, and her pupils size got a little bit irregular size.. and finally I took her to the doctor as I felt that it was not just URIs and did blood work thats when she shows moderately anemic, high globulin and I started on interferon right away just in case it was FIP.. Peters illness was not acute either I just failed to notice something was wrong with Peter since I was so busy watching Naomi he had lost lots of weight by the time I noticed that something war wrong . it was not acute, but very subtle until towards end and did not know it if I had paid more attention to Peter, things might have been different as he was a little bit older boy and may be there was a better chance to save his life with interferon and I kick mysef for that all the time - it makes me so bad when I think of it.. and the same thing for Olive, it was not acute on set she was feral and used to hide all the time, and she had a long hair, and did not know that she was getting sick .. again, I was too busy watching Dharma and did not notice Olives illness her liver values elevated, and it must have taken a few weeks to get that bad and again,, I failed to see it just to me Peters and Olives illness were very sudden and quick, but they really werent if I had paid more attention to them, I would have noticed them at least a couple of months ago.. rikkis illness were very chronic.. I noticed several months ago he had been losing weight as Peter did.. I first thought it
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
What is the story with the mats? I know Mai Mai was deathly ill after eating and throwing up a hand warmer cover but I haven't heard about foam mats. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelly L To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? At 03:19 PM 11/18/2006, you wrote: I agree.. I did not know how dangerous those foam mats from Costco areMy Tiger has just had his second surgery, the mats are gone,,my pocketbook is dry, We are all here to share and help each other,, Kelly Please know that no one is picking on you. We are asking so many questions out of total concern for you and your little ones. Each of use brings some different experiences to the table. I was never very aware of the dangers of philodendrons with cats until Dixie started showing some interest in house plants. No other cat had. Needless to say, I am having to re-home some plants I really like. Today she reacted very badly to a cologne a friend had on...she wanted nothing to do with him and she is a very social cat. She even hissed at him and, in the almost two years I have known her, I have never heard her hiss at a person. Arsenic is organic as are a large number of poisons. And people have awful reactions to somethings like new carpet fumes or glues. ls it possible that someone has used an insecticide or something that you would not know about? We all know how much you love your cats and what good care you take of them. Please don't take any of the questions or comments wrong. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? It is very easy to get paranoid with FIP. I always worry about it if someone misses a meal or seems to be sleeping more than usual. But don't let yourself be so convinced that everyone who has died in the past month or two or three is the result of FIP. I think you have something else going on. Some may have had FIP but others? Keep looking. I think there is more to it. Dry FIP usually takes at least 2-4 months from the first little sign of trouble -- lethargy, loss of appetite -- before the cat dies. Weight loss is gradual. At the end the cat is truly anorexic in appearance but it takes time to get there. Neurological signs do not occur in all cases. And it is highly unusual to lose so many in such a short period of time. Not unheard of but rare and usually involving a commercial cattery with a lot of questionable breeding practices. You need to start doing a necropsy on everyone who dies. That is the only way you can be certain if it was dry FIP. Until then, don't make that assumption. Otherwise you may miss something that is treatable or preventable. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, none of my cats had a rapid onset of the illness- I knew that something was wrong with Naomi before my vet event thought something was wrong for about two months.. she thought it was nutricious thing - but she never really got that big.. it was very subtle, and chronic.. and the same was Dharma - they ate okay, and move around just fine.. just not as active as a kitten should be.. if you know what I mean.. Dharma was doing very well when Naomi was sick, but gradually she became a bit inactive - and started running low grade fever, and her pupil's size got a little bit irregular size.. and finally I took her to the doctor as I felt that it was not just URIs - and did blood work that's when she shows moderately anemic, high globulin and I started on interferon right away just in case it was FIP.. Peter's illness was not acute either I just failed to notice something was wrong with Peter since I was so busy watching Naomi - he had lost lots of weight by the time I noticed that something war wrong . it was not acute, but very subtle until towards end and did
Re: Sanctuary
Excellent! I look forward to some feedback. PAT TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now that i know where it is, turns out i have contacts in the area--i'll ask them! On 11/18/06, Evan Dee wrote: You're welcome Pat. I've not had any experience with them myself - and there is precious little to be found on the net. ~ Evan Patricia Lamoretti wrote: Thanks! That's helpful but I also wanted to know if anyone out there has had any experience with them? Thanks again -- PAT Evan Dee wrote: I found the following on Petfinder: http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/paradisegardenanimalhaven.html contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doljan, Joan wrote: No, I couldn't find much about them. That is not a good sign. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patricia Lamoretti Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sanctuary Did you ever find out anything about Paradise Garden? I'm looking for a place for a feral cat that was never socialized as a kitten and lived with an elderly man who has now passed. We need to find her a safe, indoor environment. Any information you can provide would be great. Thanks -- PAT Joan Doljan wrote: Has anyone heard of Paradise Garden Animal Haven in Woodhull, N.Y? Thanks, Joan Sponsored Link Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro-*Terms Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 - Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
At 03:55 PM 11/18/2006, you wrote: Just got back from the vets. Tiger is recovering from the surgery, he is here in my ICUIt is those big square mats that look like puzzle edges to put together, they also come in colorsFloor mats. I wil scan the picture and email them,,the one from last year and the ones from this year, Very expensive mats,,, Kelly What is the story with the mats? I know Mai Mai was deathly ill after eating and throwing up a hand warmer cover but I haven't heard about foam mats. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? At 03:19 PM 11/18/2006, you wrote: I agree.. I did not know how dangerous those foam mats from Costco areMy Tiger has just had his second surgery, the mats are gone,,my pocketbook is dry, We are all here to share and help each other,, Kelly Please know that no one is picking on you. We are asking so many questions out of total concern for you and your little ones. Each of use brings some different experiences to the table. I was never very aware of the dangers of philodendrons with cats until Dixie started showing some interest in house plants. No other cat had. Needless to say, I am having to re-home some plants I really like. Today she reacted very badly to a cologne a friend had on...she wanted nothing to do with him and she is a very social cat. She even hissed at him and, in the almost two years I have known her, I have never heard her hiss at a person. Arsenic is organic as are a large number of poisons. And people have awful reactions to somethings like new carpet fumes or glues. ls it possible that someone has used an insecticide or something that you would not know about? We all know how much you love your cats and what good care you take of them. Please don't take any of the questions or comments wrong. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Susan Hoffman To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? It is very easy to get paranoid with FIP. I always worry about it if someone misses a meal or seems to be sleeping more than usual. But don't let yourself be so convinced that everyone who has died in the past month or two or three is the result of FIP. I think you have something else going on. Some may have had FIP but others? Keep looking. I think there is more to it. Dry FIP usually takes at least 2-4 months from the first little sign of trouble -- lethargy, loss of appetite -- before the cat dies. Weight loss is gradual. At the end the cat is truly anorexic in appearance but it takes time to get there. Neurological signs do not occur in all cases. And it is highly unusual to lose so many in such a short period of time. Not unheard of but rare and usually involving a commercial cattery with a lot of questionable breeding practices. You need to start doing a necropsy on everyone who dies. That is the only way you can be certain if it was dry FIP. Until then, don't make that assumption. Otherwise you may miss something that is treatable or preventable. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, none of my cats had a rapid onset of the illness I knew that something was wrong with Naomi before my vet event thought something was wrong for about two months.. she thought it was nutricious thing but she never really got that big.. it was very subtle, and chronic.. and the same was Dharma they ate okay, and move around just fine.. just not as active as a kitten should be.. if you know what I mean.. Dharma was doing very well when Naomi was sick, but gradually she became a bit inactive and started running low grade fever, and her pupils size got a little bit irregular size.. and finally I took her to the doctor as I felt that it was not just URIs and did blood work thats when she shows moderately anemic, high globulin and I started on interferon right away just in case it was FIP.. Peters illness was not acute either I just failed to notice something was wrong with Peter since I was so busy watching Naomi he had lost lots of weight by the time I noticed that something war wrong . it was not acute, but very subtle until towards end and did not know it if I had
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Cats will chew up some odd things. I'm glad Tiger is recovering now, I hope he is feeling better very soon! Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html
Tsunade
The vet thinks it is just gastro-something (basically upset stomach). Her kidney and anal tract are fine. She had diahrhea 1 instance, 3 months ago. Since I switched her food from meow mix dry normal to science diet sensitive stomach she has not thrown up food chunks. Her weight was the same as 1 month ago. thanks Chelsea
two felv+ cats in georgia need a home
One is a blk DMH with a little white on the chest. The other is a black/orange torti. Both are very sweet. They are caged together. the pound is very rescue friendly. Pauline is holding onto the cats to give them a chance to find rescue or adopter- til next week. MURRAY COUNTY ANIMAL SHELTER PO Box 1129 Chatsworth, GA 30705 p:706-695-8003 f:706-695-8069 WEBSITE http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/GA155.html HOURS OF OPERATION CLOSED Friday mornings for euth. Must call before 5pm on Thursdays to save a pet. PRIMARY CONTACT Pauline Davis, Murray County Animal Shelter Phone: 706-695-8003 regards barbara
foam mats???
what is wrong with the foam mats? the pound we rescue from has those as dividers (because county too darn cheap to put up plexiglass)to cut down on any xcontamination if a sick cat comes in. thank you in advance for this info. barbara
Re: foam mats???
At 09:36 PM 11/18/2006, you wrote: I can't imagine using them for that reason. they absorb stuff so are contaminated, and to some they may become very expensive desert!! Kelly what is wrong with the foam mats? the pound we rescue from has those as dividers (because county too darn cheap to put up plexiglass)to cut down on any xcontamination if a sick cat comes in. thank you in advance for this info. barbara No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 11/17/2006
Re: Pics of Smookie and the rescued dog
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