At 03:55 PM 11/18/2006, you wrote:
Just got back from the vets. Tiger is recovering
from the surgery, he is here in my ICU....It is
those big square mats that look like puzzle edges
to put together, they also come in
colors,,,,Floor mats. I wil scan the picture and
email them,,the one from last year and the ones from this year,
Very expensive mats,,,,,,,
Kelly
What is the story with the mats? I know Mai Mai
was deathly ill after eating and throwing up a
hand warmer cover but I haven't heard about foam mats.
If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with their fellow man.
St. Francis
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From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Kelly L
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
At 03:19 PM 11/18/2006, you wrote:
I agree.. I did not know how dangerous those
foam mats from Costco are....My Tiger has just
had his second surgery, the mats are gone,,my
pocketbook is dry, We are all here to share and help each other,,
Kelly
Please know that no one is picking on you. We
are asking so many questions out of total
concern for you and your little ones. Each of
use brings some different experiences to the
table. I was never very aware of the dangers
of philodendrons with cats until Dixie started
showing some interest in house plants. No
other cat had. Needless to say, I am having to
re-home some plants I really like. Today she
reacted very badly to a cologne a friend had
on...........she wanted nothing to do with him
and she is a very social cat. She even hissed
at him and, in the almost two years I have
known her, I have never heard her hiss at a
person. Arsenic is organic as are a large
number of poisons. And people have awful
reactions to somethings like new carpet fumes
or glues. ls it possible that someone has used
an insecticide or something that you would not know about?
We all know how much you love your cats and
what good care you take of them. Please don't
take any of the questions or comments wrong.
If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with their fellow man.
St. Francis
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Susan Hoffman
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
It is very easy to get paranoid with FIP. I
always worry about it if someone misses a meal
or seems to be sleeping more than usual. But
don't let yourself be so convinced that
everyone who has died in the past month or two
or three is the result of FIP. I think you
have something else going on. Some may have
had FIP but others? Keep looking. I think there is more to it.
Dry FIP usually takes at least 2-4 months from
the first little sign of trouble -- lethargy,
loss of appetite -- before the cat
dies. Weight loss is gradual. At the end the
cat is truly anorexic in appearance but it
takes time to get there. Neurological signs do
not occur in all cases. And it is highly
unusual to lose so many in such a short period
of time. Not unheard of but rare and usually
involving a commercial cattery with a lot of questionable breeding practices.
You need to start doing a necropsy on everyone
who dies. That is the only way you can be
certain if it was dry FIP. Until then, don't
make that assumption. Otherwise you may miss
something that is treatable or preventable.
Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Susan, none of my cats had a rapid onset of the
illness I knew that something was wrong with
Naomi before my vet event thought something was
wrong for about two months.. she thought it was
nutricious thing but she never really got
that big.. it was very subtle, and chronic..
and the same was Dharma they ate okay, and
move around just fine.. just not as active as a
kitten should be.. if you know what I mean..
Dharma was doing very well when Naomi was sick,
but gradually she became a bit inactive and
started running low grade fever, and her
pupils size got a little bit irregular size..
and finally I took her to the doctor as I felt
that it was not just URIs and did blood work
thats when she shows moderately anemic, high
globulin and I started on interferon right away just in case it was FIP..
Peters illness was not acute either
I just failed to notice something was wrong
with Peter since I was so busy watching Naomi
he had lost lots of weight by the time I
noticed that something war wrong . it was not
acute, but very subtle until towards end and
did not know it if I had paid more attention
to Peter, things might have been different as
he was a little bit older boy and may be there
was a better chance to save his life with
interferon and I kick mysef for that all the
time - it makes me so bad when I think of it..
and the same thing for Olive, it was not acute
on set she was feral and used to hide all the
time, and she had a long hair, and did not know
that she was getting sick .. again, I was too
busy watching Dharma and did not notice Olives
illness her liver values elevated, and it
must have taken a few weeks to get that bad
and again,, I failed to see it
just to me
Peters and Olives illness were very sudden
and quick, but they really werent if I had
paid more attention to them, I would have
noticed them at least a couple of months ago..
rikkis illness were very chronic.. I noticed
several months ago he had been losing weight as
Peter did.. I first thought it was either liver
or kidney - -but blood work was not indicating
neither only thing was high globulin and
moderaly anemic but again a lot of my cats
have been.. and rikki is an older kitty so I
was hoping that he did not have FIP and still dont know for sure..
I am sorry Susan, if I did not describe their
conditions well now I hope it makes sense to
you..why I have been saying that it is FIP that killing my babies.
now I am dealing with two kitties who are less
than 1 year old Tony and Lizzy (she is my
bottle baby) started showing some similar
signs as Naomi and Dharma originally did
Lizzy is 6 months old but she only weight 3.10
lb but did not worry about her as she has
been very active.. but she has URIs that she
cant get rid of. She has lost some weights
and Tony has started with sneeze and low grade
fever, letharzy for the past week or two.. I am
not convinced that they have FIP right now
no neurological sign or anything it might be
pre-FIP stagewho knows.. but as you may
notice, I am paranoid. .so I started on FOI
right away hoping that we can get rid of any viral stuff going on in them..
Hideyo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Dry FIP is very hard to diagnose because the
general symptoms are consistent with so many
other diseases. It is very easy to misdiagnose
dry FIP and miss the real cause of
something. Also, the rapid onset, ages of some
of the cats, and the number who are being
stricken in such a short period of time are NOT consistent with dry FIP.
What Hideyo describes across the board is
consistent with ingesting a toxic
substance. And if you look at the cats
individually you can identify other illnesses
that would present with the same symptoms.
Unfortunately, since I do shelter rescues, I
have seen a few cases of dry FIP this year and
last. And I have researched FIP in an attempt
to deal with what I have seen. What Hideyo
describes is not typical of FIP in a shelter or
rescue environment. Some of the cats, maybe,
but not all of them in the time frame and with
the symptoms describes. There may be something
else going on and I would not assume FIP to the
exclusion of any other explanation.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you look at Dr. Addie's description of dry
FIP on her website, it does sound like it's
possible that Hideyo's cats are getting it.
Michelle
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