Re: URGENT!!
suggest that she contact best friends. they do a lot in CA and can probably direct her to someone helpful. Also emphasize that they probably do not have fip. Michelle
Re: Transfusions as a systematic treatment
Thanks for all of your replies, I'd love to hear about successes in treating FELVs where the cat's bone marrow is no longer producing red cells- the vets are supportive, BUT don't offer much hope. Of course, the literature doesn't either. I won't put the cat down as long as he's not in distress/pain, and he's happy. Yes, I know the conventional wisdom about this stage of FELV, but In fact, the only real positive thing that his vets say is that he seems to be thriving between transfusions despite the FELV, and persistent anemia...
Re: Transfusions as a systematic treatment
If you bring him to an internist, you might have an easier time convincing them to try Epogen. You can also suggest to the vet that they try it as a last attempt, with pred, since it has helped several cats on this list. Michelle In a message dated 1/10/2007 6:15:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for all of your replies, I'd love to hear about successes in treating FELVs where the cat's bone marrow is no longer producing red cells- the vets are supportive, BUT don't offer much hope. Of course, the literature doesn't either. I won't put the cat down as long as he's not in distress/pain, and he's happy. Yes, I know the conventional wisdom about this stage of FELV, but In fact, the only real positive thing that his vets say is that he seems to be thriving between transfusions despite the FELV, and persistent anemia...
Re: Transfusions as a systematic treatment
how long is he going between transfusions, and how low has his pcv gone? michelle In a message dated 1/10/2007 6:15:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for all of your replies, I'd love to hear about successes in treating FELVs where the cat's bone marrow is no longer producing red cells- the vets are supportive, BUT don't offer much hope. Of course, the literature doesn't either. I won't put the cat down as long as he's not in distress/pain, and he's happy. Yes, I know the conventional wisdom about this stage of FELV, but In fact, the only real positive thing that his vets say is that he seems to be thriving between transfusions despite the FELV, and persistent anemia...
RE: ot: Antonio
Elizabeth, So glad Antonio got some (literal) relief. Poor little sweetheart, he must be so much happier, as you say. Glad to hear the staff redeemed thenselves somewhat too. Kerry M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 6:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: ot: Antonio Well...right after saying he was better -- I am just back from zipping his fat butt to the vet's as fast as I could. I was, in fact, on the phone with the vet asking about his pain management policy when Antonio kept trying to urinate and couldn't...finally growled and screamed and his back end. I thought he was blocked. Of course, when I picked the boy up to take him inside at the vet's - I must have put some pressure on his bladder because I felt that unmistakable warm feeling down my sweat pants. That pee saved me a lot of money. The whole staff I was mad at yesterday stayed well past closinggave him a dexe shot, fluids...and a demerol shot - thank goodness! When they put pressure on his bladder - they were able to get him to go more -- and it is far less bloody than yesterday. They say his bladder was probably low on fluids and he was feeling that sandy grit of the crystals in there. I am just very glad to have some pain relief for my boy. He's happy as a clam sprawled out on the kitchen floor just watching the world go by. On 1/9/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Nina. Still smoke-free (and grumpy :0) Antonio seems to be feeling better today - he says thanks for the hug. We had another long night but he's definitely perkier today. I know he was in a lot of pain for a while -- breathing heavy and eyes fully dilated. I stayed up with him until he could sleep easy and I stayed home today. The hardest part of this to me is separating the food -- I'm having to put all their bowls down once in the morning and once at night so that I can keep Antonio from eating the other food. It's an adjustment for all of us. On 1/9/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Elizabeth, I just logged on and saw your thread about Antonio. Poor baby! I hope he's doing better today. It's such a shame that you had a hard time at the vet. It's never easy to deal with inconsideration, but when your baby is in pain and danger it's almost impossible to take. I agree that you should speak to your vet about it. The staff sounds insensitive enough to not realize just how inappropriate their behavior is. Have you been doing research on special dietary requirements for crystals? I feed my IBD girl a homemade diet that has kept her feeling good and off of meds for the most part for over a year now. It is extra trouble, but so very worth it. Good for you for not picking up a cigarette during all of this. Are you still smoke free? Give Antonio a hug from me and let us know how he's doing, Nina elizabeth trent wrote: Poor Antonio - I was up much of the night with himhe slept by my pillow with my arm around him. He has some blood in his urine and possibly a kidney stoneplus, his glands need to be expressed so the poor boy just feels rotten. I made them promise me at the vet's they would give him some demerol. He's lost a pound too since he's been on the light formula...that's very good news. I really hated leaving him at the vet's this morning but they told me I really needed to...they will do x-rays and they may have to extract some urine. I'm just worried sick about him. Please, if you would...send prayers...good thoughts...or whatever is your style for the dear boy. We very much appreciate it. Thank you, elizabeth IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP)
Re: Antonio
Elizabeth, I am trying to remember which type of crystals Winston had but I am sorry my memory just isn't what it used to be. His last bout was back in October. It wasn't very bad I think I caught it early. The vet gave him Baytril and valium to help ease his straining. Winston is very high strung. He will let you pet him only to turn around to bite the crap out of you. So Winston on valium made the house alot calmer. I had him on dry prescription diet Science Hill XD but the vet had me change to can because can has more water in it which they said is better for cats that have this problem. I hope this info might help. After dealing with Winston, I agree with your vet tech about going back to Antonio's regular food. I don't dare let Winston eat anything but his prescription diet because even when I changed him to Innova EVO he got crystals. This is just my own experience though. I hope Antonio starts feeling better very very soon. You and Antonio are in my prayers. Cindy --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barb - I am so relieved to hear you say that. Thanks for all your input. This doctor who told me that is not my usual vet. I'll ask my vet about the pH normalizing formula. Kiss Smoky for me, elizabeth On 1/9/07, Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and this is for struvite crystals?? he shouldn't have to be on that particular dissolving food for THAT long!! 3-4 weeks is what we did and Smoky didn't really like it so he never had it that long, but his regular food is that pH normalizing recipe, so the vet was OK w/that Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 8, 2007 5:30:01 PM Subject: Re: Antonio Thanks, MC. I think what I will do is every morning and every evening...I'll set out their eight little bowls for an hour or so and supervise --making sure Antonio only gets his special food. That way, we'll get on a schedule. The advantage of this is that I will be able to see exactly who eats how much and who isn't eating properly...and technically it will be a better way to monitor their intake than just leaving all the dry food down all the time. The vet says that it will take months of this food before Antonio gets back to normal but after that it may be that he can go back to his regular food. The vet tech that I do respect though told me separately that she guarentees if I go back to the other food, he'll get a stone. I just need to educate myself and tune in to these babies as much as I can and get them well. I have a friend who has been a Reiki master since this 60s...I may take Antonio to see her. Couldn't hurt. Whatever it takes to make my babies as healthy as they can be and to feel better. elizabeth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Antonio
it really does depend--my brendan, a red persian (who, when he was neutered, was found to have a bent penis) developed crystals at one point that i caught IMMEDIATELY because he was a--and remains--a cat who NEVER goes outside the litter box, so when he did, i knew there was a problem he was on c/d for a couple of years, as were the rest of the cats. asked the vet about switching them all back to regular food at some point, and keeping an eye on him, which i did about seven or eight years ago--he's had no recurrence. had a little girl cat who also had crystals, and she only needed to be on the special food for a month, and never had a recurrence (after being told by an emergency vet that she'd be dead by morning if i didn't pay them $750 cash for surgery. had them fax over her xray and blood-test reports to my vet the next morning, who put her on c/d and antibiotics instead, for a $35 consult fee) MC On 1/10/07, cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth, I am trying to remember which type of crystals Winston had but I am sorry my memory just isn't what it used to be. His last bout was back in October. It wasn't very bad I think I caught it early. The vet gave him Baytril and valium to help ease his straining. Winston is very high strung. He will let you pet him only to turn around to bite the crap out of you. So Winston on valium made the house alot calmer. I had him on dry prescription diet Science Hill XD but the vet had me change to can because can has more water in it which they said is better for cats that have this problem. I hope this info might help. After dealing with Winston, I agree with your vet tech about going back to Antonio's regular food. I don't dare let Winston eat anything but his prescription diet because even when I changed him to Innova EVO he got crystals. This is just my own experience though. I hope Antonio starts feeling better very very soon. You and Antonio are in my prayers. Cindy --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barb - I am so relieved to hear you say that. Thanks for all your input. This doctor who told me that is not my usual vet. I'll ask my vet about the pH normalizing formula. Kiss Smoky for me, elizabeth On 1/9/07, Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and this is for struvite crystals?? he shouldn't have to be on that particular dissolving food for THAT long!! 3-4 weeks is what we did and Smoky didn't really like it so he never had it that long, but his regular food is that pH normalizing recipe, so the vet was OK w/that Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 8, 2007 5:30:01 PM Subject: Re: Antonio Thanks, MC. I think what I will do is every morning and every evening...I'll set out their eight little bowls for an hour or so and supervise --making sure Antonio only gets his special food. That way, we'll get on a schedule. The advantage of this is that I will be able to see exactly who eats how much and who isn't eating properly...and technically it will be a better way to monitor their intake than just leaving all the dry food down all the time. The vet says that it will take months of this food before Antonio gets back to normal but after that it may be that he can go back to his regular food. The vet tech that I do respect though told me separately that she guarentees if I go back to the other food, he'll get a stone. I just need to educate myself and tune in to these babies as much as I can and get them well. I have a friend who has been a Reiki master since this 60s...I may take Antonio to see her. Couldn't hurt. Whatever it takes to make my babies as healthy as they can be and to feel better. elizabeth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 24, Issue 22
---how long is he going between transfusions, and how low has his pcv gone? michelle Up until this current bout, he was going 7 weeks, and his pcv went down to 13. This time, alarmingly it was only 4 weeks. He was never in any distress, except for the first time, because I watxh him closely, and know when he's getting quite low. As far as epogen, I talked with my vet about it, she said that it won't do any good in a cat that is not producing red cells. However, I asked her whether it can hurt, she said probably not, unless he has a rare reaction. I've had epo myself for my own leukemia, and I know it did me good, but mine is chronic, not acute,,, Thanks again for the responses. Where there's life, and it's quality life, to me, there is ALWAYS hope.
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 24, Issue 22
7 weeks, or even 4, is pretty good. I agree that there seems to be quality life and that you are doing the right thing. I think you should try epogen, though, and see if it helps. It really seemed to cure Belinda's Bailey's anemia, which was not producing red cells, at least combined with prednisone. I would ask to do the pred as well. Another thing that has helped one cat on this list was a series of Acemannan shots in the stomach, which brought the pcv back to normal. I do not know, however, if that anemia was regenerative or nonregenerative. If it were me, I would probably try the epogen and prednisone for a month, and if there was no response at all to it, I would try the acemannan. He is very lucky to have you. Michelle In a message dated 1/10/2007 1:09:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ---how long is he going between transfusions, and how low has his pcv gone? michelle Up until this current bout, he was going 7 weeks, and his pcv went down to 13. This time, alarmingly it was only 4 weeks. He was never in any distress, except for the first time, because I watxh him closely, and know when he's getting quite low. As far as epogen, I talked with my vet about it, she said that it won't do any good in a cat that is not producing red cells. However, I asked her whether it can hurt, she said probably not, unless he has a rare reaction. I've had epo myself for my own leukemia, and I know it did me good, but mine is chronic, not acute,,, Thanks again for the responses. Where there's life, and it's quality life, to me, there is ALWAYS hope.
Re: URGENT!!
Well, if she could ask the lady specifically what BREED the cats are, there are breed rescues. I'm betting they are Bengals (the most common wild hybrid) or Pixie Bobs, the only breed that has bob in the name and that many people ASSUME are bobcat crosses because of the name, but they aren't. And she's right, being locked in a tiny dark storage shed is MUCH worse than euthanasia. Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 24, Issue 22
Yes, quality of life is the important thing. If your vet is not willing to try new things as a last ditch effort, try to find one that is. Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 24, Issue 22
Also, Dr. Mike Lees in Ohio, who wrote an article on Immuno-Regulin posted on this group's website, claims that he has reversed FeLV-related anemia by giving a high dose of I-R (1 ml) three times a week for two weeks. I and others on this list have seen I-R work wonders for cats with URI's, but to my knowledge no one on the list has tried it for anemia. I once spoke to Dr. Lees on the phone, before the first time I used I-R, and he was very friendly. You might want to call him (his contact info or at least his clinic's name and town are on the article) and ask about nonregenerative anemia specifically. Michelle
Re: kittens have diarrhea
coccidia also has a distinctly 'foul' smell... Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does the poo smell (fouler than usual diarrhea)? Is it greenish at all? Is it a pattie-like consistency, similar to cow patties? Trich is usually greenish cow pattie like poo with a TERRIBLE smell, very odorific. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140070302069
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 24, Issue 22
I'll say it again, Bailey's HCT was at 15% at his lowest, his anemia was NON-REGENERATIVE, confirmed with a bone marrow aspirate. After 6 weeks on epogen and prednisolone, his HCT was at 40%. When he died of the undiagnosed cancer months later it was still normal at 33%. As far as epogen, I talked with my vet about it, she said that it won't do any good in a cat that is not producing red cells. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
