Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
Thank you everyone for your advice. Lisa, you are the best! I have ordered the Vetri-DMG for Onyx, and I am going to ask the more positive vet (when he gets back from vacation) to give me the interferon as well. I am going to talk to him about trying to make some sort of arrangement about bringing Onyx in when I need to without having to wait weeks for an appointment. I may not be able to, but it doesn't hurt to ask, right? Does anyone here know of a vet in NYC that has a positive approach to managing FelV? Thanks again, Avia & Onyx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
Not much of anything but while doing a little searching I found a couple of interesting links. All the research is pretty old (1980s) and I have heard that once the vaccine was developed they stopped doing other research. http://www.felineleukemia.info/staphproteinacowan1.htm and http://books.google.com/books?id=GVtdtOsIsAUC&pg=PA362&lpg=PA362&dq=immunogl obulins+for+FeLV+treatment&source=bl&ots=7Xp6iTaKOc&sig=XkTBY31e2zYN3r2Jnmrq MMOBwRA#PPA367,M1 The one above has some interesting reading on pages 360 to 363. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? What do you know about it in relation to FELV? Gloria On Apr 5, 2009, at 10:51 AM, gary wrote: > They might have, but Immunoregulin isn't very expensive. The brief > search I > did on Immonglobulins talked about it being made from 1000 different > donors, > etc., very expensive. It is a therapy use that has been tried on many > different things for humans and I guess some animals. > > Gary > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Paragoric
Right, I remember mentions of it in my childhood... never took it though. Gloria On Apr 5, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Lorrie wrote: I used to use paragoric for myself for diarrhea but that was years ago. I didn't think they still sold it. Last time I bought it I had to sign for it and that was also years ago. Apparently drug addicts enjoy it, so I thought they took it off the market. Lorrie On 04-05, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Wow, paregoric. Have to remember that. Thanks for the info - Gloria On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Pat Kachur wrote: This probably seems pretty obvious but--my Mandy (Felv) had diarrhea for months, all the time. After trying many things, my vet said use paregoric and the diarrhea stopped like magic and has not returned. - Original Message - From: "TANYA NOE" To: Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty Debbie and Heather, Thanks for the reply. Maggie has had several(5-6)fecals done and one sent away to a lab as a feline diarrhea panel which cost $160 and checked for fungus, parasites, etc. All of which were normal. She has diarrhea more than she doesn't anymore. She was born in June and began having FELV symptoms in August. The diarrhea has been off and on since then. Do you know is the Fortiflora something you need to get at the vets or can I find it elsewhere? Again thanks for the advice ladies. Tanya Warner --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Heather wrote: From: Heather Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:32 AM Ditto that all, and, some Fortiflora might not be a bad idea. 2009/4/2 Debbie Harrison First off, I'd like to thank you for keeping this little one despite all of your other demands. Then, has your vet done any fecal testing? Maggie could possibly only need some antibiotic or antiparasitic... Other than that, the wonderful people here will tell you to feed her a good quality diet and keep her life as stress free as possible. Your kitten could conceiveably live a good, long life. Best of luck to you and your family. Debbie (COL) "The time is always right to do what is right" - Martin Luther King Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 07:05:57 -0700 From: sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty I am sure you have covered this a thousand times but I haven't been on here all that long and am very far behind on reading the emails. I have a newborn and work and times get hectic, sorry. We adopted a kitten that after a neg test later turned out to be pos. We love her so we are keeping her. The clinics around us usually recommend euthanasia and don't have a ton of experience treating pos cats. We have a neg cat 12 years old as well. My problem is that Maggie goes through boughts of what I call horribly smelly Pancake batter poops. They are very watery and smell very foul. During these times she acts as though she is not feeling well ( I wouldn't either if that came out of my bottom). I would like to know what stuff seems to work best and what stuff to avoid. I asked my vet about interferon to build immune, she didn't seem very knowledgeable about it but prescribed it anyway. Seems like the diarrhea has been worse since she got on it and it is $40 plus shipping a month. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I hate seeing her miserable. Thanks, Tanya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@feli
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
What do you know about it in relation to FELV? Gloria On Apr 5, 2009, at 10:51 AM, gary wrote: They might have, but Immunoregulin isn't very expensive. The brief search I did on Immonglobulins talked about it being made from 1000 different donors, etc., very expensive. It is a therapy use that has been tried on many different things for humans and I guess some animals. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? They may have meant immunoregulin...rather than immunoglobulins? Gloria On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:44 PM, gary wrote: The vet that said interferon might or might not help, is correct. I seriously doubt that your vaccinated cats would "inevitably" become positive. It is true that the vaccine is not 100% effective, but the vaccine combined with the natural immunity that many adult cats have should keep them fairly safe. There are, of course, no guarantees. I haven't used DMG, but have heard many others speak highly of it. I am presently using Moducare. I don't think any of us has any scientific proof as to the efficacy of any of these, there just hasn't been enough study, so we do what we feel will help. As for "immunoglobulins", I don't think I have seen anyone mention that here or on the other FeLV lists, unless, it was called something else. I don't think I would consider re-homing my negatives, you might be waiting a long time for the positive to be gone, some here have very old positives. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James Rauscher Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended "re-homing" my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will "inevitably" become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster. Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Paragoric
Never tried it for myself--but it is obviously available for animals. And, as I said, it worked when nothing else did. - Original Message - From: "Lorrie" To: Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Paragoric I used to use paragoric for myself for diarrhea but that was years ago. I didn't think they still sold it. Last time I bought it I had to sign for it and that was also years ago. Apparently drug addicts enjoy it, so I thought they took it off the market. Lorrie On 04-05, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Wow, paregoric. Have to remember that. Thanks for the info - Gloria On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Pat Kachur wrote: >This probably seems pretty obvious but--my Mandy (Felv) had diarrhea >for months, all the time. After trying many things, my vet said use >paregoric and the diarrhea stopped like magic and has not returned. > >- Original Message - From: "TANYA NOE" > >> >To: >Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:06 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty > > >> >>Debbie and Heather, >> Thanks for the reply. Maggie has had several(5-6)fecals done and >>one sent away to a lab as a feline diarrhea panel which cost $160 >>and checked for fungus, parasites, etc. All of which were normal. >> She has diarrhea more than she doesn't anymore. She was born in >>June and began having FELV symptoms in August. The diarrhea has >>been off and on since then. Do you know is the Fortiflora something >>you need to get at the vets or can I find it elsewhere? >> Again thanks for the advice ladies. >>Tanya Warner >> >> >>--- On Thu, 4/2/09, Heather wrote: >> >>>From: Heather >>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty >>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:32 AM >>>Ditto that all, and, some Fortiflora might not be a bad >>>idea. >>> >>>2009/4/2 Debbie Harrison >>> First off, I'd like to thank you for keeping this >>>little one despite all of your other demands. Then, has your vet done any fecal >>>testing? Maggie could possibly only need some antibiotic or >>>antiparasitic... Other than that, the wonderful people here will tell >>>you to feed her a good quality diet and keep her life as stress free as >>>possible. Your kitten could conceiveably live a good, long life. Best of >>>luck to you and your family. Debbie (COL) "The time is always right to do what is >>>right" - Martin Luther King > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 07:05:57 -0700 > From: sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + >>>kitty > > > I am sure you have covered this a thousand times >>>but I haven't been on here all that long and am very far behind on reading >>>the emails. I have a newborn and work and times get hectic, sorry. > We adopted a kitten that after a neg test later >>>turned out to be pos. We love her so we are keeping her. The clinics around us >>>usually recommend euthanasia and don't have a ton of experience >>>treating pos cats. We have a neg cat 12 years old as well. > My problem is that Maggie goes through boughts of >>>what I call horribly smelly Pancake batter poops. They are very watery and >>>smell very foul. During these times she acts as though she is not >>>feeling well ( I wouldn't either if that came out of my bottom). I would like to >>>know what stuff seems to work best and what stuff to avoid. I asked my vet >>>about interferon to build immune, she didn't seem very knowledgeable >>>about it but prescribed it anyway. Seems like the diarrhea has been worse since >>>she got on it and it is $40 plus shipping a month. > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I >>>hate seeing her miserable. > Thanks, > Tanya > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>_ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows >>>Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>___ >>>Felvtalk mailing list >>>Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> >> >>___ >>Felvtalk mailing list >>Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ >>felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Fel
Re: [Felvtalk] Paragoric
I used to use paragoric for myself for diarrhea but that was years ago. I didn't think they still sold it. Last time I bought it I had to sign for it and that was also years ago. Apparently drug addicts enjoy it, so I thought they took it off the market. Lorrie On 04-05, Gloria B. Lane wrote: > Wow, paregoric. Have to remember that. Thanks for the info - > > Gloria > > > > On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Pat Kachur wrote: > > >This probably seems pretty obvious but--my Mandy (Felv) had diarrhea > >for months, all the time. After trying many things, my vet said use > >paregoric and the diarrhea stopped like magic and has not returned. > > > >- Original Message - From: "TANYA NOE" >> > >To: > >Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:06 PM > >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty > > > > > >> > >>Debbie and Heather, > >> Thanks for the reply. Maggie has had several(5-6)fecals done and > >>one sent away to a lab as a feline diarrhea panel which cost $160 > >>and checked for fungus, parasites, etc. All of which were normal. > >> She has diarrhea more than she doesn't anymore. She was born in > >>June and began having FELV symptoms in August. The diarrhea has > >>been off and on since then. Do you know is the Fortiflora something > >>you need to get at the vets or can I find it elsewhere? > >> Again thanks for the advice ladies. > >>Tanya Warner > >> > >> > >>--- On Thu, 4/2/09, Heather wrote: > >> > >>>From: Heather > >>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + kitty > >>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>>Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:32 AM > >>>Ditto that all, and, some Fortiflora might not be a bad > >>>idea. > >>> > >>>2009/4/2 Debbie Harrison > >>> > > First off, I'd like to thank you for keeping this > >>>little one despite all of > your other demands. Then, has your vet done any fecal > >>>testing? Maggie > could possibly only need some antibiotic or > >>>antiparasitic... > > Other than that, the wonderful people here will tell > >>>you to feed her a good > quality diet and keep her life as stress free as > >>>possible. Your kitten > could conceiveably live a good, long life. Best of > >>>luck to you and your > family. > > Debbie (COL) > "The time is always right to do what is > >>>right" - Martin Luther King > > > > > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 07:05:57 -0700 > > From: sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice on 9 month old FELV + > >>>kitty > > > > > > I am sure you have covered this a thousand times > >>>but I haven't been on > here all that long and am very far behind on reading > >>>the emails. I have a > newborn and work and times get hectic, sorry. > > We adopted a kitten that after a neg test later > >>>turned out to be pos. We > love her so we are keeping her. The clinics around us > >>>usually recommend > euthanasia and don't have a ton of experience > >>>treating pos cats. We have a > neg cat 12 years old as well. > > My problem is that Maggie goes through boughts of > >>>what I call horribly > smelly Pancake batter poops. They are very watery and > >>>smell very foul. > During these times she acts as though she is not > >>>feeling well ( I wouldn't > either if that came out of my bottom). I would like to > >>>know what stuff seems > to work best and what stuff to avoid. I asked my vet > >>>about interferon to > build immune, she didn't seem very knowledgeable > >>>about it but prescribed it > anyway. Seems like the diarrhea has been worse since > >>>she got on it and it is > $40 plus shipping a month. > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I > >>>hate seeing her > miserable. > > Thanks, > > Tanya > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > >>>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > >>>_ > More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows > >>>Live?. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > >>>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >>>___ > >>>Felvtalk mailing list > >>>Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>___ > >>Felvtalk mailing list > >>Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ > >>felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > >___
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
They might have, but Immunoregulin isn't very expensive. The brief search I did on Immonglobulins talked about it being made from 1000 different donors, etc., very expensive. It is a therapy use that has been tried on many different things for humans and I guess some animals. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? They may have meant immunoregulin...rather than immunoglobulins? Gloria On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:44 PM, gary wrote: > The vet that said interferon might or might not help, is correct. I > seriously doubt that your vaccinated cats would "inevitably" become > positive. It is true that the vaccine is not 100% effective, but the > vaccine combined with the natural immunity that many adult cats have > should > keep them fairly safe. There are, of course, no guarantees. > > I haven't used DMG, but have heard many others speak highly of it. > I am > presently using Moducare. I don't think any of us has any > scientific proof > as to the efficacy of any of these, there just hasn't been enough > study, so > we do what we feel will help. > > As for "immunoglobulins", I don't think I have seen anyone mention > that here > or on the other FeLV lists, unless, it was called something else. > > I don't think I would consider re-homing my negatives, you might be > waiting > a long time for the positive to be gone, some here have very old > positives. > > Gary > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James > Rauscher > Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:28 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? > > > One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her > interferon, > that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. > Two other > vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until > she gets > sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended "re-homing" my > negative > cats until the positive one dies because they will "inevitably" become > positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. > > Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same > route as > me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the > negatives) > but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is > supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system > booster. > > Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who > told me to > re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and > only help > to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different > opinion from every vet I talk to! > > > Avia > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
