Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
Christiane Thank you for the info on heartworm. I always wondered what had actually make Sadi's heart stop. Thought it was the worms but apparently more than likely a clot. I remember now that the medicine was basically arsenic but didn't find that out til afterwards. This was years ago - at least 15 - and the first vet I took her to was awful at a lot of stuff and I never went back. She didn't seem to care about anything but pay at the time of service. Since then I haven't had any experience with heartworm - thank goodness! But appreciate the additional information. And now they have found new parasites that live in/off of the nasty worm itself? Yuck. Is Interceptor different than Heartgard? Is one better than the other? I have been using Revolution (Stronghold from UK-less expensive but same), on all cats and dogs but now am hearing nasty stories about it too. I was thinking/hoping it worked against heartworm for cats? Jeeze! How do you know which is best for the animals you are trying to help and love? Kat On 7/21/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: What a lucky dog to have come across you - imagine him dying somewhere all alone, in pain, with nasty people taunting and chasing him...in such cases, euthanasia is the kindest solution, even though it may be heartbreaking to us! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs How sad.I am glad he was surrounded by friends when he left. On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Edna Taylor wrote: We recently rescued an emaciated, obviously abused Rottie mix and his HW status was so high that after talking to the vet we decided that given his body weight, unknown history, fact that he couldn't be neutered until after treatment, lack of foster homes and that the treatment would probably kill him, we loved him, played with him and as he chewed on a toy, we let him go. He was surrounded by people who cared about him in the end and sometimes, that is all we can do : ( His previous owners (I use that term loosely) failed him. HW treatment is something so simple, yet I would hazard to guess that 90% (maybe more) of the dogs going into shelters and/or rescued are HW+. From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:23:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent until it gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all sorts of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very familiar w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American Heartworm Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms. It does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the bloodstream in mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the more newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw also die can also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during treatment---not easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course is Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms over a course of time, they die. Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment. Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to this--the costs have come down though I'm always reluctant to over medicate, Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every month. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she was found to have them. She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel cough but not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the country. A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new vet said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and suggested we test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we left that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for sure if something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in the front yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest emergency vet was almost 2 hours away
Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :(
Sherri, So sorry for your recent losses. Please refresh my memory, what does SIDS stand for and where are you located? Your stories always inspire me! Melinda, Fuji, and VooDoo Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: I am sorry too Sherry, SIDS kitties always have the best, unique names, it's so evident how much love and thought goes into your SIDS kids. Thanks to you and everyone there for making sure Umberto, Turner Studley do Right had the love they so deserved in their time here. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: This really has been a bad week - I am so sorry for Umberto! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sara Kasteleyn Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :( Noo...how can we have lost so many sweet babies in so short a time? Another candle was lit tonight in SoCal for Umberto. Frolic with the rest of our special ones and wait for us, Umberto. S --Original Mail-- From: sherryd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:31:14 + Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :( He passed today Belinda Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:28:20 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :( Aww Sherry, sound like a sweetie pie, when did he pass? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://belindasauro.com/ http://HostDesign4U.com http://hostdesign4u.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry- Oops, sorry I misspelled your name! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:46 PM, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote: Sherri, So sorry for your recent losses. Please refresh my memory, what does SIDS stand for and where are you located? Your stories always inspire me! Melinda, Fuji, and VooDoo Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: I am sorry too Sherry, SIDS kitties always have the best, unique names, it's so evident how much love and thought goes into your SIDS kids. Thanks to you and everyone there for making sure Umberto, Turner Studley do Right had the love they so deserved in their time here. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: This really has been a bad week - I am so sorry for Umberto! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sara Kasteleyn Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :( Noo...how can we have lost so many sweet babies in so short a time? Another candle was lit tonight in SoCal for Umberto. Frolic with the rest of our special ones and wait for us, Umberto. S --Original Mail-- From: sherryd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:31:14 + Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :( He passed today Belinda Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:28:20 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :( Aww Sherry, sound like a sweetie pie, when did he pass? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://belindasauro.com/ http://HostDesign4U.com http://hostdesign4u.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :(
Melinda Sid was the name of the first fiv cat at the sanctuary.We are located in Grand Rapids Michigan.Keep another one of our Sids kids in your prayers...Bocce is not faring well. :( Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:46:33 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :( Sherri, So sorry for your recent losses. Please refresh my memory, what does SIDS stand for and where are you located? Your stories always inspire me! Melinda, Fuji, and VooDoo Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: I am sorry too Sherry, SIDS kitties always have the best, unique names, it's so evident how much love and thought goes into your SIDS kids. Thanks to you and everyone there for making sure Umberto, Turner Studley do Right had the love they so deserved in their time here. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: This really has been a bad week - I am so sorry for Umberto! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sara Kasteleyn Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :( Noo...how can we have lost so many sweet babies in so short a time? Another candle was lit tonight in SoCal for Umberto. Frolic with the rest of our special ones and wait for us, Umberto. S --Original Mail-- From: sherryd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:31:14 + Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :( He passed today Belinda Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:28:20 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Umberto Please add to the CLS :( Aww Sherry, sound like a sweetie pie, when did he pass? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://belindasauro.com/ http://HostDesign4U.com http://hostdesign4u.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
15 years ago, the treatment protocols for HW were very different and oftentimes lethal. Interceptor is a different chemical makeup than Heartgard. Absent the risk of Heartgard to herding breeds, I think its really a matter of personal preference. I use Interceptor for my Maltese but that's cause he was on it when I got him. I also use Frontline on him cause he's a real tick magnet--came home once from a stroll outside with 8 ticks on him! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs Christiane Thank you for the info on heartworm. I always wondered what had actually make Sadi's heart stop. Thought it was the worms but apparently more than likely a clot. I remember now that the medicine was basically arsenic but didn't find that out til afterwards. This was years ago - at least 15 - and the first vet I took her to was awful at a lot of stuff and I never went back. She didn't seem to care about anything but pay at the time of service. Since then I haven't had any experience with heartworm - thank goodness! But appreciate the additional information. And now they have found new parasites that live in/off of the nasty worm itself? Yuck. Is Interceptor different than Heartgard? Is one better than the other? I have been using Revolution (Stronghold from UK-less expensive but same), on all cats and dogs but now am hearing nasty stories about it too. I was thinking/hoping it worked against heartworm for cats? Jeeze! How do you know which is best for the animals you are trying to help and love? Kat On 7/21/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: What a lucky dog to have come across you - imagine him dying somewhere all alone, in pain, with nasty people taunting and chasing him...in such cases, euthanasia is the kindest solution, even though it may be heartbreaking to us! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs How sad.I am glad he was surrounded by friends when he left. On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Edna Taylor wrote: We recently rescued an emaciated, obviously abused Rottie mix and his HW status was so high that after talking to the vet we decided that given his body weight, unknown history, fact that he couldn't be neutered until after treatment, lack of foster homes and that the treatment would probably kill him, we loved him, played with him and as he chewed on a toy, we let him go. He was surrounded by people who cared about him in the end and sometimes, that is all we can do : ( His previous owners (I use that term loosely) failed him. HW treatment is something so simple, yet I would hazard to guess that 90% (maybe more) of the dogs going into shelters and/or rescued are HW+. From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:23:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent until it gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all sorts of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very familiar w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American Heartworm Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms. It does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the bloodstream in mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the more newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw also die can also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during treatment---not easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course is Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms over a course of time, they die. Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment. Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to this--the costs have come down though I'm always reluctant to over medicate, Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every month. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically she died of the reaction to
