Christiane Thank you for the info on heartworm. I always wondered what had actually make Sadi's heart stop. Thought it was the worms but apparently more than likely a clot. I remember now that the medicine was basically arsenic but didn't find that out til afterwards. This was years ago - at least 15 - and the first vet I took her to was awful at a lot of stuff and I never went back. She didn't seem to care about anything but pay at the time of service.
Since then I haven't had any experience with heartworm - thank goodness! But appreciate the additional information. And now they have found new parasites that live in/off of the nasty worm itself? Yuck. Is Interceptor different than Heartgard? Is one better than the other? I have been using Revolution (Stronghold from UK-less expensive but same), on all cats and dogs but now am hearing nasty stories about it too. I was thinking/hoping it worked against heartworm for cats? Jeeze! How do you know which is best for the animals you are trying to help and love? Kat On 7/21/11, Natalie <at...@optonline.net> wrote: > What a lucky dog to have come across you - imagine him dying somewhere all > alone, in pain, with nasty people taunting and chasing him...in such cases, > euthanasia is the kindest solution, even though it may be heartbreaking to > us! Natalie > > -----Original Message----- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:19 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs > > How sad.........I am glad he was surrounded by friends when he left. > On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Edna Taylor wrote: > >> >> We recently rescued an emaciated, obviously abused Rottie mix and >> his HW status was so high that after talking to the vet we decided >> that given his body weight, unknown history, fact that he couldn't >> be neutered until after treatment, lack of foster homes and that the >> treatment would probably kill him, we loved him, played with him and >> as he chewed on a toy, we let him go. He was surrounded by people >> who cared about him in the end and sometimes, that is all we can do : >> ( His previous "owners" (I use that term loosely) failed him. >> >> HW treatment is something so simple, yet I would hazard to guess >> that 90% (maybe more) of the dogs going into shelters and/or rescued >> are HW+. >> >> >> >>> From: ti...@mindspring.com >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:23:26 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs >>> >>> I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent >>> until it >>> gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all >>> sorts >>> of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when >>> Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very >>> familiar >>> w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American >>> Heartworm >>> Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are >>> followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can >>> happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms. >>> It >>> does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the >>> bloodstream in >>> mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the >>> more >>> newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw & also die >>> & can >>> also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before >>> treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during >>> treatment---not >>> easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course >>> is >>> Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms & over a course of time, >>> they die. >>> Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment. >>> >>> Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to >>> this--the >>> costs have come down & though I'm always reluctant to over medicate, >>> Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every >>> month. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 >>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs >>> >>> I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or >>> technically >>> she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she >>> was found >>> to have them. >>> She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel >>> cough but >>> not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the >>> country. >>> A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and >>> new vet >>> said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and >>> suggested we >>> test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we >>> left >>> that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for >>> sure if >>> something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in >>> the front >>> yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, >>> nearest >>> emergency vet was almost 2 hours away but didn't matter cause I >>> didn't know >>> they existed at the time and they were in another city and no >>> emergency >>> listings in local phone books. Vet I had taken her to had gone to his >>> daughters graduation that night and called back too late but said he >>> probably wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway. Autopsy >>> showed she >>> had more worms than heart left. >>> I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again. >>> Period. >>> Kat >>> >>> On 7/20/11, Natalie <at...@optonline.net> wrote: >>>> I guess it's "you're damned if you do and damned if you don't"! >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane >>>> Biagi >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM >>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs >>>> >>>> I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds.... but, if you've >>>> ever >>>> seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters >>>> look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've >>>> gone to >>> year round. >>>> While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here >>>> from warmer climates, dogs& cats come all the time. A NY mosquito >>>> bites a Florida infected dog & then bites a NY dog--you've got a >>>> chance. And these days, folks travel all the time & everywhere with >>>> their pets. Now there are places where the climate basically >>>> prevents >>>> larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at >>>> least >>>> times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at >>>> risk. >>> But there are choices for HW meds... >>>> Certain breeds should never take Heartgard (Ivermectin), for >>>> example. >>>> Thing is that HW is a silent killer. By the time the animal shows >>>> symptoms, the disease is well advanced. And the treatment is fraught >>>> with risk and a real strain on the animal's system. There are some >>>> newer protocols to reduce risk--Dr. at U of FL has done major >>>> studies >>>> which are published. Sadly, there is no treatment for cats. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:53 AM >>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Heartworm drugs for pets; Big Pharma's cash cow - In a seemingly >>>> diabolical plot, veterinarians and pharmaceutical companies have >>>> teamed up in a marketing campaign to frighten pet guardians into >>>> giving year-round heartworm preventatives to their cats, as well as >>>> dogs. These so-called experts say they're doing this to improve >>>> protection for individual pets, but the facts say their motives >>>> may be >>> less pure. >>>> >>>> >>>> o >>>> <http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixz >>>> z1SeoF >>>> YKZ8> >>>> http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz >>>> 1SeoFY >>>> KZ8 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We had a discussion about Revolution a while back - here is a great >>>> article on all wormers, and about Revolution, which is technically: >>>> Selamectin is also used to treat ear mites and some intestinal >>>> worms; >>>> adverse reactions include hair loss at the site of application, >>>> diarrhea, vomiting, muscle tremors, anorexia, lethargy, salivation, >>>> rapid breathing, and contact allergy. >>>> >>>> And how veterinarians are handing out these products like candy, >>>> etc. >>>> Important "read"! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ >>> felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ >>> felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
