Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Transmittal via fleas
I missed most of this thread so I'm sorry if I'm repeating something you guys know are have already said, but regarding FIV test coming up positive - the ELISA test looks for the antibodies to FIV, not the virus itself (which I thought was odd considering the ELISA test does look for small fragments of the actual FeLV virus, not antibodies). So if a kitten's combo test is positive for FIV it just means he's got antibodies and he probably got those from his mother through her milk. Normally mother cats don't bite their kittens hard enough to spread the actual virus so I've also never had a kitten with FIV. If the combo test shows positive then usually it will turn negative after the mother's antibodies are out of his system. Just wanted to throw out that little tidbit of info I got from my vet in case it helps. Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Transmittal via fleas Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:48 pm The FeLV kitten that I had didn’t make it past 3 months….it was really sad for Nemo to be isolated from all the cats, especially at such a young age…he started having a serious seizure and it was the end.One of the adult cats was adopted, had a really bad episode after his move from the stress, but is doing really well again. His new “mom” is a veterinarian. The other one died from renal failure – he was a lot older than we thought.Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 7:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas Some kittens born to FeLv+ mothers do turn negative but it's more likely that an adult who contracted the disease from another adult will fight it off and turn negative, like my cats Moses and Percy. Percy is FIV+ though. He's a young street fighter rescued in terrible condition. I'm really happy he fought off the FeLv. I have an FIV+ area for my little colony of positives so no problem. Percy is going to join them this week. He's all shiny and fat now. The bad news about FeLv kittens is that most of them never make it to adulthood. The ones who do will live for about 2 years. Taco and Smooch were rescued as adults already. They were FeLv+. They lived with me for about 2 years. They were buddies, from different street situations but they bonded nicely the last year of their lives. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas In the 20 years of cat rescue, with so many FIV+ mother cats, not a single kitten EVER was FIV+! And when and if tested, there was absolutely no sign of it by age 3 months, although some vets say that it could be up to 6 months. They shed the virus quite rapidly as their immune systems develop.I have never heard of kittens born to FeLV mothers ever being negative.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Transmittal via fleas
Well said Lee Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Transmittal via fleas The good news in all this grief and tragedy is that the humans who take on the task of caring for these lovely, deserving cats are the ones who suffer. The cats are given a gift of life for as long as they can maintain it and then are given the gift of an easy out before they are suffering. So we get left with the grief and they are at peace and at rest. To be able to allow a cat to live because we understand how precious they are, in spite of this or that defect, in spite of this or that illness which might or might not be fatal sooner or later is what should make this worth while to all of us who care and are enlightened. A few buckets of tears is a small price to pay to allow these loving angels to live with us. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:48 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Transmittal via fleas The FeLV kitten that I had didn’t make it past 3 months….it was really sad for Nemo to be isolated from all the cats, especially at such a young age…he started having a serious seizure and it was the end. One of the adult cats was adopted, had a really bad episode after his move from the stress, but is doing really well again. His new “mom” is a veterinarian. The other one died from renal failure – he was a lot older than we thought. Natalie From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 7:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas Some kittens born to FeLv+ mothers do turn negative but it's more likely that an adult who contracted the disease from another adult will fight it off and turn negative, like my cats Moses and Percy. Percy is FIV+ though. He's a young street fighter rescued in terrible condition. I'm really happy he fought off the FeLv. I have an FIV+ area for my little colony of positives so no problem. Percy is going to join them this week. He's all shiny and fat now. The bad news about FeLv kittens is that most of them never make it to adulthood. The ones who do will live for about 2 years. Taco and Smooch were rescued as adults already. They were FeLv+. They lived with me for about 2 years. They were buddies, from different street situations but they bonded nicely the last year of their lives. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From:GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas In the 20 years of cat rescue, with so many FIV+ mother cats, not a single kitten EVER was FIV+! And when and if tested, there was absolutely no sign of it by age 3 months, although some vets say that it could be up to 6 months. They shed the virus quite rapidly as their immune systems develop. I have never heard of kittens born to FeLV mothers ever being negative. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FIV FeLV kittens
I've always seen FIV kittens turn negative after being taken away from mom for a period. I've never seen a kitten positive on an FeLV test turn negative later. I have seen litters where 1 might consistently test negative on an Elisa the others are positive, but the negative has always eventually turned positive, even after being removed from mom. I know there are others with different experiences, but this has always been my experience.. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: molvey...@hotmail.com molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Transmittal via fleas I missed most of this thread so I'm sorry if I'm repeating something you guys know are have already said, but regarding FIV test coming up positive - the ELISA test looks for the antibodies to FIV, not the virus itself (which I thought was odd considering the ELISA test does look for small fragments of the actual FeLV virus, not antibodies). So if a kitten's combo test is positive for FIV it just means he's got antibodies and he probably got those from his mother through her milk. Normally mother cats don't bite their kittens hard enough to spread the actual virus so I've also never had a kitten with FIV. If the combo test shows positive then usually it will turn negative after the mother's antibodies are out of his system. Just wanted to throw out that little tidbit of info I got from my vet in case it helps. Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Transmittal via fleas Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:48 pm The FeLV kitten that I had didn’t make it past 3 months….it was really sad for Nemo to be isolated from all the cats, especially at such a young age…he started having a serious seizure and it was the end. One of the adult cats was adopted, had a really bad episode after his move from the stress, but is doing really well again. His new “mom” is a veterinarian. The other one died from renal failure – he was a lot older than we thought. Natalie From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 7:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas Some kittens born to FeLv+ mothers do turn negative but it's more likely that an adult who contracted the disease from another adult will fight it off and turn negative, like my cats Moses and Percy. Percy is FIV+ though. He's a young street fighter rescued in terrible condition. I'm really happy he fought off the FeLv. I have an FIV+ area for my little colony of positives so no problem. Percy is going to join them this week. He's all shiny and fat now. The bad news about FeLv kittens is that most of them never make it to adulthood. The ones who do will live for about 2 years. Taco and Smooch were rescued as adults already. They were FeLv+. They lived with me for about 2 years. They were buddies, from different street situations but they bonded nicely the last year of their lives. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From:GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas In the 20 years of cat rescue, with so many FIV+ mother cats, not a single kitten EVER was FIV+! And when and if tested, there was absolutely no sign of it by age 3 months, although some vets say that it could be up to 6 months. They shed the virus quite rapidly as their immune systems develop. I have never heard of kittens born to FeLV mothers ever being negative. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9
i have had 7 kittens in the last 4 years with Felv. the longest one lived about 18 months, she got horrible stomatitis after 1 year, we had all of her teeth removed, she did great gained weight and had some good months--she learned to play (she was a feral kib) then stopped eating, must have had some growths in her throat or lungs we don't know but ended up not being able to breath. She was a beautiful long haired orange girl. I miss all of them every day but I am glad they had the time they did with me. Someone said they have some cancer treatment--would you please let me know what it is. I have a 13 year old who is losing weight and we don't really have a cause. I am interested in trying this on him. Shar Susie sksu...@msn.com thanks! We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, live within a fragile circle, easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 7:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas Some kittens born to FeLv+ mothers do turn negative but it's more likely that an adult who contracted the disease from another adult will fight it off and turn negative, like my cats Moses and Percy. Percy is FIV+ though. He's a young street fighter rescued in terrible condition. I'm really happy he fought off the FeLv. I have an FIV+ area for my little colony of positives so no problem. Percy is going to join them this week. He's all shiny and fat now. The bad news about FeLv kittens is that most of them never make it to adulthood. The ones who do will live for about 2 years. Taco and Smooch were rescued as adults already. They were FeLv+. They lived with me for about 2 years. They were buddies, from different street situations but they bonded nicely the last year of their lives. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas In the 20 years of cat rescue, with so many FIV+ mother cats, not a single kitten EVER was FIV+! And when and if tested, there was absolutely no sign of it by age 3 months, although some vets say that it could be up to 6 months. They shed the virus quite rapidly as their immune systems develop.I have never heard of kittens born to FeLV mothers ever being negative. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FIV FeLV kittens
I've been fortunate in this respect. I had an entire litter of FelV kittens, six of them, and most died about 6 months of age or younger. One lived to 18 months of age, but one never did test positive. I've had him retested several times and he's 5 years old now and still negative. I'm sure this is very rare. Lorrie Beth wrote: I've always seen FIV kittens turn negative after being taken away from mom for a period. I've never seen a kitten positive on an FeLV test turn negative later. I have seen litters where 1 might consistently test negative on an Elisa the others are positive, but the negative has always eventually turned positive, even after being removed from mom. I know there are others with different experiences, but this has always been my experience.. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9
For the ones who have never seen or heard of this happening, it happens more than some might think! I have a cat, now, Awesome Pawsome, who was one of a litter I socialized from a feral mom.There were 4 kittens--two siamese, a gray, and a tortie, in this litter. Mom was TNR'd from a feral colony, here in San Diego. When tested at about 9 weeks old, all except the gray were positive. 60 days later, only the tortie was positive.So 1/4 of my litter was born negative from a positive Mom. WE did not test the mom, because the neuter scooter was out of those test tubes that day. However,it was discovered, post-mortem, that she was positive. You see, she died, at the colony, several months later. Back to the kittens, 3/4--the negatives--were adopted out to good homes, with the understanding that 2 had previously tested positive, but flipped to negatives. All of those kittens are still negative and alive. One of the four, the tortie, who was the most difficult to tame, persistently tested positive, and the rescue I was then with, was considering putting her up for adoption, for free--on Craigslist! I could not let that happen to her, so I adopted her myself, and this was about 25 months ago. She now is probably the healthiest ,Kitty I have here, of all my fosters and personal cats, except for the fact she is FeLV+ status. I did almost lose her once, to killer calici, and she had such swollen joints and was lame on all fours, alternating 3 legs at a time, for over three months, besides the sores, and all of the other oddities that accompany calici. All my cats got it, even though Pawsome lives in my room, ISO, did not come into contact with any others... and I almost lost her. Other than that, she has only had sniffles and a sneeze, which I immediately start antibiotics at the tiniest indication of. I do realize that she is on her third year of life, and usually kitties don't make it this far, and dread every day she might be sick from something minute. I watch her like a hawk, for fear of losing her. But she has beat the odds so far, and I hope she continues to be healthy and happy and playful, like she is now, for a long time to come. Kat *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [ mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Lee Evans *Sent:* Wednesday, July 18, 2012 7:14 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas ** ** Some kittens born to FeLv+ mothers do turn negative but it's more likely that an adult who contracted the disease from another adult will fight it off and turn negative, like my cats Moses and Percy. Percy is FIV+ though. He's a young street fighter rescued in terrible condition. I'm really happy he fought off the FeLv. I have an FIV+ area for my little colony of positives so no problem. Percy is going to join them this week. He's all shiny and fat now. ** ** The bad news about FeLv kittens is that most of them never make it to adulthood. The ones who do will live for about 2 years. Taco and Smooch were rescued as adults already. They were FeLv+. They lived with me for about 2 years. They were buddies, from different street situations but they bonded nicely the last year of their lives. *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too!* ** ** -- *From:* GRAS g...@optonline.net *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:50 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas ** ** In the 20 years of cat rescue, with so many FIV+ mother cats, not a single kitten EVER was FIV+! And when and if tested, there was absolutely no sign of it by age 3 months, although some vets say that it could be up to 6 months. They shed the virus quite rapidly as their immune systems develop. I have never heard of kittens born to FeLV mothers ever being negative.*** * -- Forwarded message -- From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FIV FeLV kittens I've always seen FIV kittens turn negative after being taken away from mom for a period. I've never seen a kitten positive on an FeLV test turn negative later. I have seen litters where 1 might consistently test negative on an Elisa the others are positive, but the negative has always eventually turned positive, even after being removed from mom. I know there are others with different experiences, but this has always been my experience.. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FIV FeLV kittens
Long time ago, before I ever knew about testing or spay/neuter a mom cat and pop cat came into my yard. Mom was pregnant and pop hung around. They were actually mated to each other. She had a litter of 6. Out of that litter, only two survived. The others had what I now know were typical symptoms of FeLv. They passed at about 5 months. But Sweetie Baby and his sister lasted for about 5 years. She didn't die but was killed by a dog. Sweetie Baby wasn't neutered and at age 2 wandered off to seek his true love somewhere else. Shortly after that, I learned about spay/neuter. Live and learn. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FIV FeLV kittens I've been fortunate in this respect. I had an entire litter of FelV kittens, six of them, and most died about 6 months of age or younger. One lived to 18 months of age, but one never did test positive. I've had him retested several times and he's 5 years old now and still negative. I'm sure this is very rare. Lorrie Beth wrote: I've always seen FIV kittens turn negative after being taken away from mom for a period. I've never seen a kitten positive on an FeLV test turn negative later. I have seen litters where 1 might consistently test negative on an Elisa the others are positive, but the negative has always eventually turned positive, even after being removed from mom. I know there are others with different experiences, but this has always been my experience.. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9
Don't worry so much about Awesome Pawsome. I adopted out an adult FeLv+ cat six years ago. Called the adoptive mom this year to see if she would take another FeLv cat but she said she already had 2, the 6+ year old cat I gave her and another one who is now about 5 years old. So they do live. Her first FeLv cat lived to be around 7. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 For the ones who have never seen or heard of this happening, it happens more than some might think! I have a cat, now, Awesome Pawsome, who was one of a litter I socialized from a feral mom. There were 4 kittens--two siamese, a gray, and a tortie, in this litter. Mom was TNR'd from a feral colony, here in San Diego. When tested at about 9 weeks old, all except the gray were positive. 60 days later, only the tortie was positive. So 1/4 of my litter was born negative from a positive Mom. WE did not test the mom, because the neuter scooter was out of those test tubes that day. However,it was discovered, post-mortem, that she was positive. You see, she died, at the colony, several months later. Back to the kittens, 3/4--the negatives--were adopted out to good homes, with the understanding that 2 had previously tested positive, but flipped to negatives. All of those kittens are still negative and alive. One of the four, the tortie, who was the most difficult to tame, persistently tested positive, and the rescue I was then with, was considering putting her up for adoption, for free--on Craigslist! I could not let that happen to her, so I adopted her myself, and this was about 25 months ago. She now is probably the healthiest ,Kitty I have here, of all my fosters and personal cats, except for the fact she is FeLV+ status. I did almost lose her once, to killer calici, and she had such swollen joints and was lame on all fours, alternating 3 legs at a time, for over three months, besides the sores, and all of the other oddities that accompany calici. All my cats got it, even though Pawsome lives in my room, ISO, did not come into contact with any others... and I almost lost her. Other than that, she has only had sniffles and a sneeze, which I immediately start antibiotics at the tiniest indication of. I do realize that she is on her third year of life, and usually kitties don't make it this far, and dread every day she might be sick from something minute. I watch her like a hawk, for fear of losing her. But she has beat the odds so far, and I hope she continues to be healthy and happy and playful, like she is now, for a long time to come. Kat From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 7:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas Some kittens born to FeLv+ mothers do turn negative but it's more likely that an adult who contracted the disease from another adult will fight it off and turn negative, like my cats Moses and Percy. Percy is FIV+ though. He's a young street fighter rescued in terrible condition. I'm really happy he fought off the FeLv. I have an FIV+ area for my little colony of positives so no problem. Percy is going to join them this week. He's all shiny and fat now. The bad news about FeLv kittens is that most of them never make it to adulthood. The ones who do will live for about 2 years. Taco and Smooch were rescued as adults already. They were FeLv+. They lived with me for about 2 years. They were buddies, from different street situations but they bonded nicely the last year of their lives. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From:GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas In the 20 years of cat rescue, with so many FIV+ mother cats, not a single kitten EVER was FIV+! And when and if tested, there was absolutely no sign of it by age 3 months, although some vets say that it could be up to 6 months. They shed the virus quite rapidly as their immune systems develop. I have never heard of kittens born to FeLV mothers ever being negative. -- Forwarded message -- From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FIV FeLV kittens I've always seen FIV kittens turn negative after being taken away from mom for a period. I've never seen a kitten positive on an FeLV test turn negative later. I have seen litters where 1 might
