Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

[dlgegg]

I am sorry if I sound so negative on modern medicine, but have had some bad 
experiences and it leaves me a bit suspicious of modern medicine.  I have had a 
lot of luck with alternatives in cleaning up the side effects of it using an 
alternative salve and tonic.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> My Zander had exactly the same symptoms you observed – licking cement and 
> very pale gums. His PCV was 5% before I started him on Stanozolol. My first 
> sign that the medication might be working was an ever so slight blush on his 
> ivory pale gums. I didn’t dare to believe it until I took him to the vets 
> that weekend and confirmed his red cells and PCV was up for the first time 
> since the terrible ordeal had begun.
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jenn 
> Trotter
> Sent: September-21-15 1:24 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
> 
> I am new to this group and never posted but now that I see some activity I 
> was hoping to jump in a little and maybe get some opinions on my situation.My 
> name is Jenn and my adventure started in August. I will make it brief as I 
> can. We adopted 3 kitties from our vet earlier this year, shortly after 
> putting down our precious calico from cancer. The 3 kitting were all tested, 
> given shots, spayed/neutered etc. Everything was great but the runt started 
> to lick cement from the fireplace hearth in early August. I called a vet at 
> the practice I go to and they said it didn't mean anything but I could bring 
> her in if I wanted. I decided against it but noticed her sleeping more and 
> just not moving much. Finally I said I can't take it anymore and took her to 
> my favorite vet (especially because her gums were so pale - something i 
> learned with my other cat) and her PCV was at 12%. Next thing I know I am 
> taking her a blood transfusion. She went from testing negative for Felv, 
> testing positive and then negative. We also had IFA's done at two different 
> labs and one was negative and one was positive. She had a bone marrow biopsy 
> (and needed another blood transfusion) and the IFA from that was negative. No 
> cancer or anything was found. Basically, we may never know if she truly has 
> it and her system will be able to clear it but it was not in her bone marrow 
> so she has a fighting chance. The diagnosis is that it is an auto-immune 
> non-regenerative anemia. She just finished two different antibiotics and her 
> pred was upped to 10 mg twice a day. Her last blood work which was last week 
> shows that she is not anemic, her platelets are increasing but her 
> neutrophils have taken a dive. They are not as low as when this first started 
> but they did improve. My vet and the specialist was against trying LTCI as 
> they were no studies to back up the claims. Right now she is doing great, not 
> running any fevers. I was told that if she is truly Felv infected or this is 
> just autoimmune then the treatment would be the same. Her brother and sister 
> have tested negative and are thriving and all three were dropped off at the 
> vet the same time.
> Any thought or questions I might be asking? Any treatment options I may not 
> have researched to death? I am so sorry we are having to deal with this for 
> our poor babies.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Jennifer Lewis 
> > wrote:
> So sorry.
> One of my non-Leuk kitties is about 20 and we are looking at winding down 
> ourselves for the Big Man (not so big any more). He is hyperthyroid and his 
> meds have advanced his CRF, and he has heart issues. No heroics... tried that 
> on my darling Buff and will never forgive myself.
> Our plan now is for his maximum comfort and life quality, as hard as it is 
> for us.
> It's very hard... but I do recommend the same path. For you and for Bella.
> 
> Our hearts are with you~
> Jennifer, Manny Man, Brynn, Wiggles, Bev and The Goof
> 
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:37 AM, simon95 wrote:
> 
> 
> My little bella is very sick she has lythomy in her kidneys she hasnt eaten 
> in 3 days i am force feeding her and she is loosing weight rapidly.
> 
> 
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
> 
>  Original message 
> From: "Katherine K."
> Date:2015/09/21 17:24 (GMT+01:00)
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
> 
> We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check 
> up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat 
> Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, 
> and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate 
> appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them 
> monthly for the past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure 
> if they actually do anything.  Sigh.
> 

Re: [Felvtalk] New to the group

[dlgegg]

First, give them lots of love, security and a stress free life.  Then medicine 
if necessary.
Especially stress, it weakens the immune system.

 Jennifer Lewis  wrote: 
> LOVE the names!
> I recommend starting them on Maitake d-fraction. The + kitties in particular 
> as it is anti-cancer, but all is ok too. We even take it ourselves. Our Brynn 
> just lays down and laps it. About 7-10 drops in a syringe of water.
> Jen L
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Sabrina Doyle wrote:
> 
> > Hi all my name is Sabrina. 1.5 years ago we decided to adopt a new kitten. 
> > Mad Max, came from a spay clinic/rescue, very reputable. Our 2 Dizzy, 11 
> > with issues an a seizure disorder, and The Weasel age 3 at the time. All 
> > testing of Max mom was negative. Got a call 6months later his brother got 
> > sick and tested positive for FELV. The woman who surrendered the litter 
> > pointed them to the wrong Mother. Max will be 2 Feb. 1 and has tested 
> > positive twice. Since then we adopted Raven who we knew was positive. We 
> > have lots of love but I am here to learn so I can give them the best care. 
> > Thanks for taking the time to read.
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[dlgegg]

The problem with doctors is that they do not have faith to try something  
different.  We are finding out that pharmaceutical companies lie about their 
products, why else wold we have a rash of attorneys asking did you take this or 
that, we can get you lots of money.  Doctors and hospitals will refuse to treat 
a patient (my mother) if they find out they are on alternative therapy and 
meds.  My mother would have been removed from the hospital and she and I would 
have been arrested for practicing without a license.  Yet, when they did a 
biopsy on her lungs and kidneys they were amazed that she healed so quickly, 
had no bedsores after a month in bed.  They could not understand it but our 
primary did.  We had told him what vitamins she was taking and the exercises 
she did while lying there.  They are so brainwashed by big pharmacy and 
promised a set of gold plated golf clubs, etc.


 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> My Zander had exactly the same symptoms you observed – licking cement and 
> very pale gums. His PCV was 5% before I started him on Stanozolol. My first 
> sign that the medication might be working was an ever so slight blush on his 
> ivory pale gums. I didn’t dare to believe it until I took him to the vets 
> that weekend and confirmed his red cells and PCV was up for the first time 
> since the terrible ordeal had begun.
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jenn 
> Trotter
> Sent: September-21-15 1:24 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
> 
> I am new to this group and never posted but now that I see some activity I 
> was hoping to jump in a little and maybe get some opinions on my situation.My 
> name is Jenn and my adventure started in August. I will make it brief as I 
> can. We adopted 3 kitties from our vet earlier this year, shortly after 
> putting down our precious calico from cancer. The 3 kitting were all tested, 
> given shots, spayed/neutered etc. Everything was great but the runt started 
> to lick cement from the fireplace hearth in early August. I called a vet at 
> the practice I go to and they said it didn't mean anything but I could bring 
> her in if I wanted. I decided against it but noticed her sleeping more and 
> just not moving much. Finally I said I can't take it anymore and took her to 
> my favorite vet (especially because her gums were so pale - something i 
> learned with my other cat) and her PCV was at 12%. Next thing I know I am 
> taking her a blood transfusion. She went from testing negative for Felv, 
> testing positive and then negative. We also had IFA's done at two different 
> labs and one was negative and one was positive. She had a bone marrow biopsy 
> (and needed another blood transfusion) and the IFA from that was negative. No 
> cancer or anything was found. Basically, we may never know if she truly has 
> it and her system will be able to clear it but it was not in her bone marrow 
> so she has a fighting chance. The diagnosis is that it is an auto-immune 
> non-regenerative anemia. She just finished two different antibiotics and her 
> pred was upped to 10 mg twice a day. Her last blood work which was last week 
> shows that she is not anemic, her platelets are increasing but her 
> neutrophils have taken a dive. They are not as low as when this first started 
> but they did improve. My vet and the specialist was against trying LTCI as 
> they were no studies to back up the claims. Right now she is doing great, not 
> running any fevers. I was told that if she is truly Felv infected or this is 
> just autoimmune then the treatment would be the same. Her brother and sister 
> have tested negative and are thriving and all three were dropped off at the 
> vet the same time.
> Any thought or questions I might be asking? Any treatment options I may not 
> have researched to death? I am so sorry we are having to deal with this for 
> our poor babies.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Jennifer Lewis 
> > wrote:
> So sorry.
> One of my non-Leuk kitties is about 20 and we are looking at winding down 
> ourselves for the Big Man (not so big any more). He is hyperthyroid and his 
> meds have advanced his CRF, and he has heart issues. No heroics... tried that 
> on my darling Buff and will never forgive myself.
> Our plan now is for his maximum comfort and life quality, as hard as it is 
> for us.
> It's very hard... but I do recommend the same path. For you and for Bella.
> 
> Our hearts are with you~
> Jennifer, Manny Man, Brynn, Wiggles, Bev and The Goof
> 
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:37 AM, simon95 wrote:
> 
> 
> My little bella is very sick she has lythomy in her kidneys she hasnt eaten 
> in 3 days i am force feeding her and she is loosing weight rapidly.
> 
> 
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
> 
>  Original message 
> From: "Katherine K."
> Date:2015/09/21 17:24 

Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

[dlgegg]

As for the FELV, my Annie was diagnosed at the age of 4 and is now 8, healthy, 
sassy.  

 Marsha  wrote: 
> So sorry to hear about downturns for Bella and Krammer.
> 
> Brock is doing well with 2 terminal illnesses - can't tell by looking at 
> him!  One being FeLV and the other being Restrictive Cardiomyopathy.  
> His FeLV has thankfully been dormant so I can focus on the heart issue.  
> 5 heart meds and 2 supplements.  It's been 5 months since the RCM 
> diagnosis, which is a pretty good stretch for that (average survival 2-6 
> months, with only 20% making it past a year).  He still catches mice 
> that get in the garage.  Maybe the mouse meat is the key!  LOL.  He gets 
> canned cat food and a few crunchies, and I give K/D for one meal out of 
> three, to help his kidneys.  He has K/D kibble available all the time, 
> but only occasionally eats it.  Crea/BUN are teetering on the upper edge 
> of normal, sometimes going a little over.
> 
> Marsha
> 
> > We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his 
> > annual check up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 
> > 12-13 yr old cat Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs 
> > since May unfortunately, and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low 
> > dose of Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm debating whether to 
> > buy more LTCI injections - he's had them monthly for the past 2 years 
> > but they're just so costly and hard to measure if they actually do 
> > anything.  Sigh.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis  > > wrote:
> >
> > All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
> > Jennifer L
> > On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:
> >
> 


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[dlgegg]

When I had lymphoma, the last chemo shut down my red blood cellproduction.  The 
dr. stopped it and again said 3 months.  I was on 27 vitamins and minerals from 
my chiropractor.  Took the pills 3 times a day.  After a year of that and 
prayer for everyone I knew, I went into remission.  None of these things ever 
hurt and some time they can be the thing that saves you.  You just have to be 
positive and have faith.  
Most of the tchemos the drs provide and radiation have so many side effects 
that you have to take more meds to counteract the side effects.  I will stick 
with alternative medications and my oncologist has agreed to moniter me if it 
comes back.

 simon95  wrote: 
> Were can i get these winstrol tablets from?


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 Original message From: Amani Oakley 
 Date:2015/09/21  19:55  (GMT+01:00) 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 
Testing the list 
Hi Grace
 
Obviously it may be that nothing will work for Bella, but I suggest the 
Winstrol because there is very little downside risk. I am a firm believer in 
the Winstrol because I can’t tell you the number of times I have been told that 
a particular condition cannot be treated (and I have confirmed it on line 
through my own research) and the Winstrol has come through. If for nothing else 
but an excellent appetite stimulant, I find that when I get the cats on 
Winstrol and they start to feel better and to eat, then obviously they are in a 
better condition to fight the problem. However, I was a medical laboratory 
technologist and have a very strong scientific background, so I also studied 
the effects of the Winstrol through the blood work we regularly did on our 
cats. You could literally see the changes in the blood work, week to week, and 
it made a believer out of our vets as well. After all, it wasn’t then just me 
saying I thought they looked better. The blood work clearly demonstrated the 
effect that the medication was having.
 
With Zander, when I would taper off the Winstrol, his red cell production would 
begin to fall. Thankfully, the red cell numbers usually stayed within the 
normal  range, though low, but we would check his gums and the pads of his feet 
and I would put him back on the Winstrol if I noticed him getting pale. Once 
back on the Winstrol, we would get the bump up we needed in his blood work, and 
we just kept going with this cycle.
 
That doesn’t mean it will work for Bella, but I doubt it can hurt to try. The 
pills I get are very small so they are easy to get down a cat’s throat. Also, 
because of what I saw as a pretty quick effect, I could usually notice a 
difference in a few days.
 
Amani
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of grace 
mifsud
Sent: September-21-15 1:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
 
Bella is only four years old.
Last year I gave her the VIRBAGEN OMEGA
All her blood work was perfect .
Now she is just shutting down.
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: 21 September 2015 19:16
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
 
Hi Katherine
 
See my email regarding use of Winstrol. I tried LTCI injections on our little 
boy, while monitoring him extremely closely with weekly blood work. The LTCI 
did absolutely nothing for him, though we tried it for at least six months. As 
soon as I put him on the Winstrol, and again, running weekly blood work, his 
red blood cell numbers began to climb – and I mean within days of starting the 
medication. They continued to climb, as did his platelets which had also been 
running low. His reticulocyte count (measuring new red cell production) also 
went up, and it had been at almost zero for more than 8 months before the 
Winstrol. We had given him several blood transfusions because he just wasn’t 
producing any red cells himself.
 
Amani
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Katherine K.
Sent: September-21-15 11:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
 
We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check 
up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat Krammer 
used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, and is now 
down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm 
debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them monthly for the 
past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure if they actually do 
anything.  Sigh.
 
On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis  wrote:
All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
Jennifer L
On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> awhile. Hope 

Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

[dlgegg]

I will keep you all in my prayers.  Question:  What is lythomy?

 simon95  wrote: 
> My little bella is very sick she has lythomy in her kidneys she hasnt eaten 
> in 3 days i am force feeding her and she is loosing weight rapidly. 


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 Original message From: "Katherine K." 
 Date:2015/09/21  17:24  (GMT+01:00) 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 
Testing the list 
We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual 
check up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat 
Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, 
and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate 
appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them 
monthly for the past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure if 
they actually do anything.  Sigh.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis  wrote:
All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
Jennifer L
On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
> Best wishes.
>
> James G Wilson - phaedru...@comcast.net
> (217) 816-8680 (cell)
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[Lance]

It was a mistyping. It’s supposed to be lymphoma.

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 5:11 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> 
> I will keep you all in my prayers.  Question:  What is lythomy?
> 
>  simon95  wrote: 
>> My little bella is very sick she has lythomy in her kidneys she hasnt eaten 
>> in 3 days i am force feeding her and she is loosing weight rapidly. 
> 
> 
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
> 
>  Original message From: "Katherine K." 
>  Date:2015/09/21  17:24  (GMT+01:00) 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 
> Testing the list 
> We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual 
> check up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat 
> Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, 
> and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate 
> appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them 
> monthly for the past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure 
> if they actually do anything.  Sigh.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis  wrote:
> All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
> Jennifer L
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
>> awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
>> Best wishes.
>> 
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>> (217) 816-8680 (cell)
>> http://weather62704.us (Weather for Springfield, IL)
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[dlgegg]

So far Annie, Homey, Harley and Dee are all doing well.  I am the one having 
problems like vertigo.  Sort of hard to bend over and clean 4 boxes, but I am 
managing.  Ginger, turmeric, honey and lemon juice tea is helpinhg me manage 
it. 


 Lance  wrote: 
> Message received. :)
> 
> > On Sep 21, 2015, at 9:52 AM, James G Wilson  wrote:
> > 
> > Hey all,
> > 
> > Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in 
> > awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well. 
> > Best wishes.
> > 
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[dlgegg]

I had lymphoma in 2000.  Four courses of chemo did not good.  back to 3 months. 
 Then I went into spontaneous remission and have been there now going on 10 
years,  Mine was all over my skin, head to foot and in my lungs.  None of the 
chemos did any good so says my oncologist.  I am positive that prayer and 
vitamins did the job.  So I will keep you on my prayer list.

 simon95  wrote: 
> Lymphoma sorry.


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 Date:2015/09/21  16:56  (GMT+01:00) 
To: phaedru...@comcast.net, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list 
All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
Jennifer L
On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in 
> awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well. 
> Best wishes.
> 
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[Katherine K.]

We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual
check up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old
cat Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May
unfortunately, and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of
Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI
injections - he's had them monthly for the past 2 years but they're just so
costly and hard to measure if they actually do anything.  Sigh.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis  wrote:

> All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
> Jennifer L
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> > awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
> > Best wishes.
> >
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[simon95]

My little bella is very sick she has lythomy in her kidneys she hasnt eaten in 
3 days i am force feeding her and she is loosing weight rapidly. 


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 Date:2015/09/21  17:24  (GMT+01:00) 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 
Testing the list 
We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual 
check up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat 
Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, 
and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate 
appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them 
monthly for the past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure if 
they actually do anything.  Sigh.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis  wrote:
All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
Jennifer L
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[simon95]

Lymphoma sorry.


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All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
Jennifer L
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[simon95]

No i am not ill have a look its heartbreaking seeing them like this .


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 Original message From: Lance 
 Date:2015/09/21  18:44  (GMT+01:00) 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 
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I’m so sorry to read this.

Are you a member of the Yahoo! Feline Lymphoma group? They may have some ideas 
about steps you can take to help Bella and keep her comfortable. 

Best wishes for you and Bella,

Lance

On Sep 21, 2015, at 10:37 AM, simon95  wrote:

My little bella is very sick she has lythomy in her kidneys she hasnt eaten in 
3 days i am force feeding her and she is loosing weight rapidly. 


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From: "Katherine K."
Date:2015/09/21 17:24  (GMT+01:00)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check 
up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat Krammer 
used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, and is now 
down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm 
debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them monthly for the 
past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure if they actually do 
anything.  Sigh.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis  wrote:
All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
Jennifer L
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>
> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
> Best wishes.
>
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[Jennifer Lewis]

So sorry. 
One of my non-Leuk kitties is about 20 and we are looking at winding down 
ourselves for the Big Man (not so big any more). He is hyperthyroid and his 
meds have advanced his CRF, and he has heart issues. No heroics... tried that 
on my darling Buff and will never forgive myself. 
Our plan now is for his maximum comfort and life quality, as hard as it is for 
us. 
It's very hard... but I do recommend the same path. For you and for Bella.

Our hearts are with you~
Jennifer, Manny Man, Brynn, Wiggles, Bev and The Goof 
On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:37 AM, simon95 wrote:

> My little bella is very sick she has lythomy in her kidneys she hasnt eaten 
> in 3 days i am force feeding her and she is loosing weight rapidly. 
> 
> 
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: "Katherine K."
> Date:2015/09/21 17:24 (GMT+01:00)
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
> 
> We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check 
> up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat 
> Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, 
> and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate 
> appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them 
> monthly for the past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure 
> if they actually do anything.  Sigh.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis  wrote:
> All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
> Jennifer L
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:
> 
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> > awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
> > Best wishes.
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Katherine

See my email regarding use of Winstrol. I tried LTCI injections on our little 
boy, while monitoring him extremely closely with weekly blood work. The LTCI 
did absolutely nothing for him, though we tried it for at least six months. As 
soon as I put him on the Winstrol, and again, running weekly blood work, his 
red blood cell numbers began to climb – and I mean within days of starting the 
medication. They continued to climb, as did his platelets which had also been 
running low. His reticulocyte count (measuring new red cell production) also 
went up, and it had been at almost zero for more than 8 months before the 
Winstrol. We had given him several blood transfusions because he just wasn’t 
producing any red cells himself.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Katherine K.
Sent: September-21-15 11:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check 
up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat Krammer 
used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, and is now 
down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm 
debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them monthly for the 
past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure if they actually do 
anything.  Sigh.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis 
> wrote:
All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
Jennifer L
On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
> Best wishes.
>
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[grace mifsud]

Bella is only four years old.

Last year I gave her the VIRBAGEN OMEGA 

All her blood work was perfect .

Now she is just shutting down.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: 21 September 2015 19:16
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Hi Katherine

 

See my email regarding use of Winstrol. I tried LTCI injections on our little 
boy, while monitoring him extremely closely with weekly blood work. The LTCI 
did absolutely nothing for him, though we tried it for at least six months. As 
soon as I put him on the Winstrol, and again, running weekly blood work, his 
red blood cell numbers began to climb - and I mean within days of starting the 
medication. They continued to climb, as did his platelets which had also been 
running low. His reticulocyte count (measuring new red cell production) also 
went up, and it had been at almost zero for more than 8 months before the 
Winstrol. We had given him several blood transfusions because he just wasn't 
producing any red cells himself.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Katherine K.
Sent: September-21-15 11:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

 

We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check 
up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat Krammer 
used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, and is now 
down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm 
debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them monthly for the 
past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure if they actually do 
anything.  Sigh. 

 

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis  wrote:

All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
Jennifer L

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>
> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
> Best wishes.
>
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[Jenn Trotter]

Amani - I am interested in Winstrol. Is that something that has been tested
to help non-regenerative anemia?

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Amani Oakley 
wrote:

> Hi Katherine
>
>
>
> See my email regarding use of Winstrol. I tried LTCI injections on our
> little boy, while monitoring him extremely closely with weekly blood work.
> The LTCI did absolutely nothing for him, though we tried it for at least
> six months. As soon as I put him on the Winstrol, and again, running weekly
> blood work, his red blood cell numbers began to climb – and I mean within
> days of starting the medication. They continued to climb, as did his
> platelets which had also been running low. His reticulocyte count
> (measuring new red cell production) also went up, and it had been at almost
> zero for more than 8 months before the Winstrol. We had given him several
> blood transfusions because he just wasn’t producing any red cells himself.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Katherine K.
> *Sent:* September-21-15 11:24 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
>
>
>
> We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual
> check up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old
> cat Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May
> unfortunately, and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of
> Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI
> injections - he's had them monthly for the past 2 years but they're just so
> costly and hard to measure if they actually do anything.  Sigh.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis 
> wrote:
>
> All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
> Jennifer L
>
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> > awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
> > Best wishes.
> >
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[Amani Oakley]

Hi Grace

Obviously it may be that nothing will work for Bella, but I suggest the 
Winstrol because there is very little downside risk. I am a firm believer in 
the Winstrol because I can't tell you the number of times I have been told that 
a particular condition cannot be treated (and I have confirmed it on line 
through my own research) and the Winstrol has come through. If for nothing else 
but an excellent appetite stimulant, I find that when I get the cats on 
Winstrol and they start to feel better and to eat, then obviously they are in a 
better condition to fight the problem. However, I was a medical laboratory 
technologist and have a very strong scientific background, so I also studied 
the effects of the Winstrol through the blood work we regularly did on our 
cats. You could literally see the changes in the blood work, week to week, and 
it made a believer out of our vets as well. After all, it wasn't then just me 
saying I thought they looked better. The blood work clearly demonstrated the 
effect that the medication was having.

With Zander, when I would taper off the Winstrol, his red cell production would 
begin to fall. Thankfully, the red cell numbers usually stayed within the 
normal range, though low, but we would check his gums and the pads of his feet 
and I would put him back on the Winstrol if I noticed him getting pale. Once 
back on the Winstrol, we would get the bump up we needed in his blood work, and 
we just kept going with this cycle.

That doesn't mean it will work for Bella, but I doubt it can hurt to try. The 
pills I get are very small so they are easy to get down a cat's throat. Also, 
because of what I saw as a pretty quick effect, I could usually notice a 
difference in a few days.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of grace 
mifsud
Sent: September-21-15 1:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

Bella is only four years old.
Last year I gave her the VIRBAGEN OMEGA
All her blood work was perfect .
Now she is just shutting down.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: 21 September 2015 19:16
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

Hi Katherine

See my email regarding use of Winstrol. I tried LTCI injections on our little 
boy, while monitoring him extremely closely with weekly blood work. The LTCI 
did absolutely nothing for him, though we tried it for at least six months. As 
soon as I put him on the Winstrol, and again, running weekly blood work, his 
red blood cell numbers began to climb - and I mean within days of starting the 
medication. They continued to climb, as did his platelets which had also been 
running low. His reticulocyte count (measuring new red cell production) also 
went up, and it had been at almost zero for more than 8 months before the 
Winstrol. We had given him several blood transfusions because he just wasn't 
producing any red cells himself.

Amani

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Katherine K.
Sent: September-21-15 11:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check 
up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat Krammer 
used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, and is now 
down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm 
debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them monthly for the 
past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure if they actually do 
anything.  Sigh.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis 
> wrote:
All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
Jennifer L
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> Hey all,
>
> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
> Best wishes.
>
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[Kelley S]

Regarding the Winstrol, are there any scientific studies I can show my vet?

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Kelley S  wrote:

> I am having a problem with the list.  I never see the initial posts (for
> example I did not see this one) , and there were many replies before the
> thread hit my inbox.Merlin is hanging in there.
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley 
> wrote:
>
>> That’s exactly what it does. In humans, it is also given to treat severe
>> non responsive genetic anemia. However, it is an anabolic steroid which
>> athletes use, so it is also excellent to build muscle mass in cats that are
>> wasting and as I mentioned, it is a superb appetite stimulant.
>>
>>
>>
>> Quite unfortunately in my opinion, it got a bad reputation because (a)
>> athletes abuse it and (b) there was this observation in the vet world that
>> it caused liver damage. When our beautiful little Zander had his miraculous
>> turn-around, I waited a full year to contact the internal medicine
>> specialist who had seen in him in the ER clinic and had administered blood
>> transfusions to Zander. That vet and everyone else had told us that there
>> was nothing else that could be done when Zander reacted to the second blood
>> transfusion, and we were told a third transfusion would likely kill him as
>> he had now developed antibodies to the foreign red cells. When I called
>> this vet to tell him of Zander’s amazing turn-around and the fact that
>> Zander was actually still alive and doing very well after a year, the
>> internist said to me that I had “gone old school” in using the Winstrol.
>> When I asked him what he meant, he explained that they used to use Winstrol
>> all the time for leukemia and a host of other conditions in cats, but they
>> had stopped when some talk at some vet conference suggested that it might
>> cause liver damage. I explained that we had followed Zander’s blood work
>> closely, and while we did see a rise in some liver enzymes eventually, they
>> went back to normal after tapering the medication, and there were no
>> lasting problems with the liver. We have now seen this in several other
>> cats with other conditions like sarcoma, FIP, etc. We have had good
>> response to the Winstrol in almost every scenario we have tried it (and we
>> always take the sickest of the sickest cats to look after), and
>> occasionally we seek a spike in liver enzymes but it doesn’t affect the
>> cats and it disappears with no lasting effect on the liver.
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Jenn Trotter
>> *Sent:* September-21-15 1:25 PM
>>
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani - I am interested in Winstrol. Is that something that has been
>> tested to help non-regenerative anemia?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Amani Oakley 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Katherine
>>
>>
>>
>> See my email regarding use of Winstrol. I tried LTCI injections on our
>> little boy, while monitoring him extremely closely with weekly blood work.
>> The LTCI did absolutely nothing for him, though we tried it for at least
>> six months. As soon as I put him on the Winstrol, and again, running weekly
>> blood work, his red blood cell numbers began to climb – and I mean within
>> days of starting the medication. They continued to climb, as did his
>> platelets which had also been running low. His reticulocyte count
>> (measuring new red cell production) also went up, and it had been at almost
>> zero for more than 8 months before the Winstrol. We had given him several
>> blood transfusions because he just wasn’t producing any red cells himself.
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Katherine K.
>> *Sent:* September-21-15 11:24 AM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
>>
>>
>>
>> We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual
>> check up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old
>> cat Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May
>> unfortunately, and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of
>> Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI
>> injections - he's had them monthly for the past 2 years but they're just so
>> costly and hard to measure if they actually do anything.  Sigh.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis 
>> wrote:
>>
>> All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
>> Jennifer L
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:
>>
>> > Hey all,
>> >
>> > Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
>> > awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
>> > Best wishes.
>> >
>> > James G Wilson - phaedru...@comcast.net
>> > 

Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

[Amani Oakley]

That’s exactly what it does. In humans, it is also given to treat severe non 
responsive genetic anemia. However, it is an anabolic steroid which athletes 
use, so it is also excellent to build muscle mass in cats that are wasting and 
as I mentioned, it is a superb appetite stimulant.

Quite unfortunately in my opinion, it got a bad reputation because (a) athletes 
abuse it and (b) there was this observation in the vet world that it caused 
liver damage. When our beautiful little Zander had his miraculous turn-around, 
I waited a full year to contact the internal medicine specialist who had seen 
in him in the ER clinic and had administered blood transfusions to Zander. That 
vet and everyone else had told us that there was nothing else that could be 
done when Zander reacted to the second blood transfusion, and we were told a 
third transfusion would likely kill him as he had now developed antibodies to 
the foreign red cells. When I called this vet to tell him of Zander’s amazing 
turn-around and the fact that Zander was actually still alive and doing very 
well after a year, the internist said to me that I had “gone old school” in 
using the Winstrol. When I asked him what he meant, he explained that they used 
to use Winstrol all the time for leukemia and a host of other conditions in 
cats, but they had stopped when some talk at some vet conference suggested that 
it might cause liver damage. I explained that we had followed Zander’s blood 
work closely, and while we did see a rise in some liver enzymes eventually, 
they went back to normal after tapering the medication, and there were no 
lasting problems with the liver. We have now seen this in several other cats 
with other conditions like sarcoma, FIP, etc. We have had good response to the 
Winstrol in almost every scenario we have tried it (and we always take the 
sickest of the sickest cats to look after), and occasionally we seek a spike in 
liver enzymes but it doesn’t affect the cats and it disappears with no lasting 
effect on the liver.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jenn 
Trotter
Sent: September-21-15 1:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

Amani - I am interested in Winstrol. Is that something that has been tested to 
help non-regenerative anemia?

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Amani Oakley 
> wrote:
Hi Katherine

See my email regarding use of Winstrol. I tried LTCI injections on our little 
boy, while monitoring him extremely closely with weekly blood work. The LTCI 
did absolutely nothing for him, though we tried it for at least six months. As 
soon as I put him on the Winstrol, and again, running weekly blood work, his 
red blood cell numbers began to climb – and I mean within days of starting the 
medication. They continued to climb, as did his platelets which had also been 
running low. His reticulocyte count (measuring new red cell production) also 
went up, and it had been at almost zero for more than 8 months before the 
Winstrol. We had given him several blood transfusions because he just wasn’t 
producing any red cells himself.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Katherine K.
Sent: September-21-15 11:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check 
up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat Krammer 
used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, and is now 
down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm 
debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them monthly for the 
past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure if they actually do 
anything.  Sigh.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis 
> wrote:
All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
Jennifer L
On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
> Best wishes.
>
> James G Wilson - phaedru...@comcast.net
> (217) 816-8680 (cell)
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[Kelley S]

I am having a problem with the list.  I never see the initial posts (for
example I did not see this one) , and there were many replies before the
thread hit my inbox.Merlin is hanging in there.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley 
wrote:

> That’s exactly what it does. In humans, it is also given to treat severe
> non responsive genetic anemia. However, it is an anabolic steroid which
> athletes use, so it is also excellent to build muscle mass in cats that are
> wasting and as I mentioned, it is a superb appetite stimulant.
>
>
>
> Quite unfortunately in my opinion, it got a bad reputation because (a)
> athletes abuse it and (b) there was this observation in the vet world that
> it caused liver damage. When our beautiful little Zander had his miraculous
> turn-around, I waited a full year to contact the internal medicine
> specialist who had seen in him in the ER clinic and had administered blood
> transfusions to Zander. That vet and everyone else had told us that there
> was nothing else that could be done when Zander reacted to the second blood
> transfusion, and we were told a third transfusion would likely kill him as
> he had now developed antibodies to the foreign red cells. When I called
> this vet to tell him of Zander’s amazing turn-around and the fact that
> Zander was actually still alive and doing very well after a year, the
> internist said to me that I had “gone old school” in using the Winstrol.
> When I asked him what he meant, he explained that they used to use Winstrol
> all the time for leukemia and a host of other conditions in cats, but they
> had stopped when some talk at some vet conference suggested that it might
> cause liver damage. I explained that we had followed Zander’s blood work
> closely, and while we did see a rise in some liver enzymes eventually, they
> went back to normal after tapering the medication, and there were no
> lasting problems with the liver. We have now seen this in several other
> cats with other conditions like sarcoma, FIP, etc. We have had good
> response to the Winstrol in almost every scenario we have tried it (and we
> always take the sickest of the sickest cats to look after), and
> occasionally we seek a spike in liver enzymes but it doesn’t affect the
> cats and it disappears with no lasting effect on the liver.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Jenn Trotter
> *Sent:* September-21-15 1:25 PM
>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
>
>
>
> Amani - I am interested in Winstrol. Is that something that has been
> tested to help non-regenerative anemia?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Amani Oakley 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Katherine
>
>
>
> See my email regarding use of Winstrol. I tried LTCI injections on our
> little boy, while monitoring him extremely closely with weekly blood work.
> The LTCI did absolutely nothing for him, though we tried it for at least
> six months. As soon as I put him on the Winstrol, and again, running weekly
> blood work, his red blood cell numbers began to climb – and I mean within
> days of starting the medication. They continued to climb, as did his
> platelets which had also been running low. His reticulocyte count
> (measuring new red cell production) also went up, and it had been at almost
> zero for more than 8 months before the Winstrol. We had given him several
> blood transfusions because he just wasn’t producing any red cells himself.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Katherine K.
> *Sent:* September-21-15 11:24 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
>
>
>
> We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual
> check up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old
> cat Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May
> unfortunately, and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of
> Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI
> injections - he's had them monthly for the past 2 years but they're just so
> costly and hard to measure if they actually do anything.  Sigh.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis 
> wrote:
>
> All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
> Jennifer L
>
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> > awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
> > Best wishes.
> >
> > James G Wilson - phaedru...@comcast.net
> > (217) 816-8680 (cell)
> > http://weather62704.us (Weather for Springfield, IL)
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] New to the group

[Jennifer Lewis]

LOVE the names!
I recommend starting them on Maitake d-fraction. The + kitties in particular as 
it is anti-cancer, but all is ok too. We even take it ourselves. Our Brynn just 
lays down and laps it. About 7-10 drops in a syringe of water.
Jen L
On Sep 21, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Sabrina Doyle wrote:

> Hi all my name is Sabrina. 1.5 years ago we decided to adopt a new kitten. 
> Mad Max, came from a spay clinic/rescue, very reputable. Our 2 Dizzy, 11 with 
> issues an a seizure disorder, and The Weasel age 3 at the time. All testing 
> of Max mom was negative. Got a call 6months later his brother got sick and 
> tested positive for FELV. The woman who surrendered the litter pointed them 
> to the wrong Mother. Max will be 2 Feb. 1 and has tested positive twice. 
> Since then we adopted Raven who we knew was positive. We have lots of love 
> but I am here to learn so I can give them the best care. Thanks for taking 
> the time to read.
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[Lance]

I’m so sorry to read this.

Are you a member of the Yahoo! Feline Lymphoma group? They may have some ideas 
about steps you can take to help Bella and keep her comfortable. 

Best wishes for you and Bella,

Lance

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 10:37 AM, simon95  wrote:
> 
> My little bella is very sick she has lythomy in her kidneys she hasnt eaten 
> in 3 days i am force feeding her and she is loosing weight rapidly. 
> 
> 
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: "Katherine K."
> Date:2015/09/21 17:24 (GMT+01:00)
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
> 
> We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check 
> up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat 
> Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, 
> and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate 
> appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them 
> monthly for the past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure 
> if they actually do anything.  Sigh.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis  > wrote:
> All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
> Jennifer L
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:
> 
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> > awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
> > Best wishes.
> >
> > James G Wilson - phaedru...@comcast.net 
> > (217) 816-8680  (cell)
> > http://weather62704.us  (Weather for Springfield, 
> > IL)
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

[Amani Oakley]

I know I sound like a broken record, but go get some Winstrol (Stanazalol) from 
your vet. 1 mg 2 x a day or a 2 mg tablet daily. I have had miraculous results 
with it for leukemia, sarcoma, and a host of other conditions I have 
encountered in the cats I have looked after. It is also a very effective 
appetite stimulant, makes them feel much better and therefore lifts their 
spirits and gets them moving about and even playing. It can be given with 
prednisone or prednisolone, and in fact, works well with it. The only side 
effect I have seen is a temporary rise in liver enzymes, but these subside 
quickly once the drug is discontinued and the drug has yet to cause any 
permanent liver damage (though this is the reason, allegedly, that vets stopped 
using this drug).

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of simon95
Sent: September-21-15 11:37 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

My little bella is very sick she has lythomy in her kidneys she hasnt eaten in 
3 days i am force feeding her and she is loosing weight rapidly.


Sent from Samsung Mobile

 Original message 
From: "Katherine K."
Date:2015/09/21 17:24 (GMT+01:00)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check 
up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat Krammer 
used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, and is now 
down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm 
debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them monthly for the 
past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure if they actually do 
anything.  Sigh.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis 
> wrote:
All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
Jennifer L
On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
> Best wishes.
>
> James G Wilson - phaedru...@comcast.net
> (217) 816-8680 (cell)
> http://weather62704.us (Weather for Springfield, IL)
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[Jenn Trotter]

I am new to this group and never posted but now that I see some activity I
was hoping to jump in a little and maybe get some opinions on my
situation.My name is Jenn and my adventure started in August. I will make
it brief as I can. We adopted 3 kitties from our vet earlier this year,
shortly after putting down our precious calico from cancer. The 3 kitting
were all tested, given shots, spayed/neutered etc. Everything was great but
the runt started to lick cement from the fireplace hearth in early August.
I called a vet at the practice I go to and they said it didn't mean
anything but I could bring her in if I wanted. I decided against it but
noticed her sleeping more and just not moving much. Finally I said I can't
take it anymore and took her to my favorite vet (especially because her
gums were so pale - something i learned with my other cat) and her PCV was
at 12%. Next thing I know I am taking her a blood transfusion. She went
from testing negative for Felv, testing positive and then negative. We also
had IFA's done at two different labs and one was negative and one was
positive. She had a bone marrow biopsy (and needed another blood
transfusion) and the IFA from that was negative. No cancer or anything was
found. Basically, we may never know if she truly has it and her system will
be able to clear it but it was not in her bone marrow so she has a fighting
chance. The diagnosis is that it is an auto-immune non-regenerative anemia.
She just finished two different antibiotics and her pred was upped to 10 mg
twice a day. Her last blood work which was last week shows that she is not
anemic, her platelets are increasing but her neutrophils have taken a dive.
They are not as low as when this first started but they did improve. My vet
and the specialist was against trying LTCI as they were no studies to back
up the claims. Right now she is doing great, not running any fevers. I was
told that if she is truly Felv infected or this is just autoimmune then the
treatment would be the same. Her brother and sister have tested negative
and are thriving and all three were dropped off at the vet the same time.

Any thought or questions I might be asking? Any treatment options I may not
have researched to death? I am so sorry we are having to deal with this for
our poor babies.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Jennifer Lewis  wrote:

> So sorry.
> One of my non-Leuk kitties is about 20 and we are looking at winding down
> ourselves for the Big Man (not so big any more). He is hyperthyroid and his
> meds have advanced his CRF, and he has heart issues. No heroics... tried
> that on my darling Buff and will never forgive myself.
> Our plan now is for his maximum comfort and life quality, as hard as it is
> for us.
> It's very hard... but I do recommend the same path. For you and for Bella.
>
> Our hearts are with you~
> Jennifer, Manny Man, Brynn, Wiggles, Bev and The Goof
>
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:37 AM, simon95 wrote:
>
> My little bella is very sick she has lythomy in her kidneys she hasnt
> eaten in 3 days i am force feeding her and she is loosing weight rapidly.
>
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: "Katherine K."
> Date:2015/09/21 17:24 (GMT+01:00)
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
>
> We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual
> check up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old
> cat Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May
> unfortunately, and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of
> Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI
> injections - he's had them monthly for the past 2 years but they're just so
> costly and hard to measure if they actually do anything.  Sigh.
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis 
> wrote:
>
>> All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
>> Jennifer L
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:
>>
>> > Hey all,
>> >
>> > Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
>> > awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
>> > Best wishes.
>> >
>> > James G Wilson - phaedru...@comcast.net
>> > (217) 816-8680 (cell)
>> > http://weather62704.us (Weather for Springfield, IL)
>> >
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[Jennifer Lewis]

All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
Jennifer L
On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in 
> awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well. 
> Best wishes.
> 
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[Lance]

Message received. :)

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 9:52 AM, James G Wilson  wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in 
> awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well. 
> Best wishes.
> 
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[Felvtalk] Testing the list

[James G Wilson]

Hey all,

Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in 
awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well. 
Best wishes.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Study Article

[Lance]

Hi Amani,

Formatting broke James’ link, which works if you add a “3” onto the end. Here’s 
a shortened url that should work:

http://bit.ly/1NHSV00 

Best,

Lance

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 3:01 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> When I tried the link you have included in your email, it says that the 
> article is not available.
> 
> Unfortunately, I had highlighted the interesting information in the PDF 
> version. However, here is the title of the article if you want to find it and 
> look it up yourselves. I will also send it directly to Kelley if I can:
> 
> Anabolic-Androgenic Steroid Therapy in the Treatment of Chronic Diseases - 
> Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism - Volume 86, No.11.
> 
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> James G Wilson
> Sent: September-21-15 3:54 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Study Article
> 
> Hi Amani, Kelley, and all,
> 
> This list does not provide for posting pdf files or picture images (jpg, gif, 
> png, etc). It is a text-based information resource with a limit of 20Kb of 
> text per message. If your message to the group bounces, it is probably 
> because you need to trim down the quoted materials from all of the previous 
> messages that have been quoted in the thread. 
> Please let me know if you have any questions about all of this.
> 
> Amani, I found the article on Winstrol online at: 
> http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.86.11.798
> 3  Everyone should be able to copy and paste it into their browsers to read 
> it. Please let me know if there are any problems accessing the link from 
> here. Kind regards.
> 
> On 21 Sep 2015 at 18:54, Amani Oakley wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kelley
>> 
>> I have responded and attached an article but I don't see my post 
>> coming through. It may be because of the article size, that there may 
>> be a delay. I will watch and see if it goes through and try to repost.
>> 
>> Amani
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Study Article

[Amani Oakley]

When I tried the link you have included in your email, it says that the article 
is not available.

Unfortunately, I had highlighted the interesting information in the PDF 
version. However, here is the title of the article if you want to find it and 
look it up yourselves. I will also send it directly to Kelley if I can:

Anabolic-Androgenic Steroid Therapy in the Treatment of Chronic Diseases - 
Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism - Volume 86, No.11.


Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James 
G Wilson
Sent: September-21-15 3:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Study Article

Hi Amani, Kelley, and all,

This list does not provide for posting pdf files or picture images (jpg, gif, 
png, etc). It is a text-based information resource with a limit of 20Kb of text 
per message. If your message to the group bounces, it is probably because you 
need to trim down the quoted materials from all of the previous messages that 
have been quoted in the thread. 
Please let me know if you have any questions about all of this.

Amani, I found the article on Winstrol online at: 
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.86.11.798
3  Everyone should be able to copy and paste it into their browsers to read it. 
Please let me know if there are any problems accessing the link from here. Kind 
regards.

On 21 Sep 2015 at 18:54, Amani Oakley wrote:

> Hi Kelley
> 
> I have responded and attached an article but I don't see my post 
> coming through. It may be because of the article size, that there may 
> be a delay. I will watch and see if it goes through and try to repost.
> 
> Amani

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Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

[Amani Oakley]

Talk to your vet. My vets order it specially from a compounding pharmacy called 
Chiron I believe. It can certainly be ordered online but I think that what is 
being offered online is at higher doses for humans, and the pills can be very 
large. I have never tried to order the medication online so I don’t know if it 
can be done or not. My vet has always been good enough to order it for me from 
the compounding pharmacy.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of simon95
Sent: September-21-15 3:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

Were can i get these winstrol tablets from?


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 Original message 
From: Amani Oakley
Date:2015/09/21 19:55 (GMT+01:00)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

Hi Grace

Obviously it may be that nothing will work for Bella, but I suggest the 
Winstrol because there is very little downside risk. I am a firm believer in 
the Winstrol because I can’t tell you the number of times I have been told that 
a particular condition cannot be treated (and I have confirmed it on line 
through my own research) and the Winstrol has come through. If for nothing else 
but an excellent appetite stimulant, I find that when I get the cats on 
Winstrol and they start to feel better and to eat, then obviously they are in a 
better condition to fight the problem. However, I was a medical laboratory 
technologist and have a very strong scientific background, so I also studied 
the effects of the Winstrol through the blood work we regularly did on our 
cats. You could literally see the changes in the blood work, week to week, and 
it made a believer out of our vets as well. After all, it wasn’t then just me 
saying I thought they looked better. The blood work clearly demonstrated the 
effect that the medication was having.

With Zander, when I would taper off the Winstrol, his red cell production would 
begin to fall. Thankfully, the red cell numbers usually stayed within the 
normal range, though low, but we would check his gums and the pads of his feet 
and I would put him back on the Winstrol if I noticed him getting pale. Once 
back on the Winstrol, we would get the bump up we needed in his blood work, and 
we just kept going with this cycle.

That doesn’t mean it will work for Bella, but I doubt it can hurt to try. The 
pills I get are very small so they are easy to get down a cat’s throat. Also, 
because of what I saw as a pretty quick effect, I could usually notice a 
difference in a few days.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of grace 
mifsud
Sent: September-21-15 1:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

Bella is only four years old.
Last year I gave her the VIRBAGEN OMEGA
All her blood work was perfect .
Now she is just shutting down.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: 21 September 2015 19:16
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

Hi Katherine

See my email regarding use of Winstrol. I tried LTCI injections on our little 
boy, while monitoring him extremely closely with weekly blood work. The LTCI 
did absolutely nothing for him, though we tried it for at least six months. As 
soon as I put him on the Winstrol, and again, running weekly blood work, his 
red blood cell numbers began to climb – and I mean within days of starting the 
medication. They continued to climb, as did his platelets which had also been 
running low. His reticulocyte count (measuring new red cell production) also 
went up, and it had been at almost zero for more than 8 months before the 
Winstrol. We had given him several blood transfusions because he just wasn’t 
producing any red cells himself.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Katherine K.
Sent: September-21-15 11:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check 
up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat Krammer 
used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, and is now 
down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm 
debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them monthly for the 
past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure if they actually do 
anything.  Sigh.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis 
> wrote:
All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
Jennifer L
On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any 

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Study Article

[James G Wilson]

Hi Amani, Kelley, and all,

This list does not provide for posting pdf files or picture 
images (jpg, gif, png, etc). It is a text-based information 
resource with a limit of 20Kb of text per message. If your 
message to the group bounces, it is probably because 
you need to trim down the quoted materials from all of the 
previous messages that have been quoted in the thread. 
Please let me know if you have any questions about all of 
this.

Amani, I found the article on Winstrol online at: 
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.86.11.798
3  Everyone should be able to copy and paste it into their 
browsers to read it. Please let me know if there are any 
problems accessing the link from here. Kind regards.

On 21 Sep 2015 at 18:54, Amani Oakley wrote:

> Hi Kelley
> 
> I have responded and attached an article but I don't see my post
> coming through. It may be because of the article size, that there
> may be a delay. I will watch and see if it goes through and try to
> repost.
> 
> Amani

James G Wilson - phaedru...@att.net
(217) 816-8680 (cell)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Study Article

[Lance]

For those who want to share images or multimedia documents, I’ve had great luck 
with Evernote. You upload the picture(s) to a note, then share the note (to 
enable sharing). You can then copy the url to an email. If you want to share 
pdfs, a service like Dropbox or Google Drive should work for that.

Best regards,

Lance



> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:54 PM, James G Wilson  wrote:
> 
> Hi Amani, Kelley, and all,
> 
> This list does not provide for posting pdf files or picture 
> images (jpg, gif, png, etc). It is a text-based information 
> resource with a limit of 20Kb of text per message. If your 
> message to the group bounces, it is probably because 
> you need to trim down the quoted materials from all of the 
> previous messages that have been quoted in the thread. 
> Please let me know if you have any questions about all of 
> this.
> 
> Amani, I found the article on Winstrol online at: 
> http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.86.11.798
> 3  Everyone should be able to copy and paste it into their 
> browsers to read it. Please let me know if there are any 
> problems accessing the link from here. Kind regards.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

[Marsha]

So sorry to hear about downturns for Bella and Krammer.

Brock is doing well with 2 terminal illnesses - can't tell by looking at 
him!  One being FeLV and the other being Restrictive Cardiomyopathy.  
His FeLV has thankfully been dormant so I can focus on the heart issue.  
5 heart meds and 2 supplements.  It's been 5 months since the RCM 
diagnosis, which is a pretty good stretch for that (average survival 2-6 
months, with only 20% making it past a year).  He still catches mice 
that get in the garage.  Maybe the mouse meat is the key!  LOL.  He gets 
canned cat food and a few crunchies, and I give K/D for one meal out of 
three, to help his kidneys.  He has K/D kibble available all the time, 
but only occasionally eats it.  Crea/BUN are teetering on the upper edge 
of normal, sometimes going a little over.


Marsha

We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his 
annual check up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 
12-13 yr old cat Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs 
since May unfortunately, and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low 
dose of Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm debating whether to 
buy more LTCI injections - he's had them monthly for the past 2 years 
but they're just so costly and hard to measure if they actually do 
anything.  Sigh.


On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis > wrote:


All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
Jennifer L
On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:



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Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

[simon95]

Were can i get these winstrol tablets from?


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 Original message From: Amani Oakley 
 Date:2015/09/21  19:55  (GMT+01:00) 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 
Testing the list 
Hi Grace
 
Obviously it may be that nothing will work for Bella, but I suggest the 
Winstrol because there is very little downside risk. I am a firm believer in 
the Winstrol because I can’t tell you the number of times I have been told that 
a particular condition cannot be treated (and I have confirmed it on line 
through my own research) and the Winstrol has come through. If for nothing else 
but an excellent appetite stimulant, I find that when I get the cats on 
Winstrol and they start to feel better and to eat, then obviously they are in a 
better condition to fight the problem. However, I was a medical laboratory 
technologist and have a very strong scientific background, so I also studied 
the effects of the Winstrol through the blood work we regularly did on our 
cats. You could literally see the changes in the blood work, week to week, and 
it made a believer out of our vets as well. After all, it wasn’t then just me 
saying I thought they looked better. The blood work clearly demonstrated the 
effect that the medication was having.
 
With Zander, when I would taper off the Winstrol, his red cell production would 
begin to fall. Thankfully, the red cell numbers usually stayed within the 
normal  range, though low, but we would check his gums and the pads of his feet 
and I would put him back on the Winstrol if I noticed him getting pale. Once 
back on the Winstrol, we would get the bump up we needed in his blood work, and 
we just kept going with this cycle.
 
That doesn’t mean it will work for Bella, but I doubt it can hurt to try. The 
pills I get are very small so they are easy to get down a cat’s throat. Also, 
because of what I saw as a pretty quick effect, I could usually notice a 
difference in a few days.
 
Amani
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of grace 
mifsud
Sent: September-21-15 1:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
 
Bella is only four years old.
Last year I gave her the VIRBAGEN OMEGA
All her blood work was perfect .
Now she is just shutting down.
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: 21 September 2015 19:16
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
 
Hi Katherine
 
See my email regarding use of Winstrol. I tried LTCI injections on our little 
boy, while monitoring him extremely closely with weekly blood work. The LTCI 
did absolutely nothing for him, though we tried it for at least six months. As 
soon as I put him on the Winstrol, and again, running weekly blood work, his 
red blood cell numbers began to climb – and I mean within days of starting the 
medication. They continued to climb, as did his platelets which had also been 
running low. His reticulocyte count (measuring new red cell production) also 
went up, and it had been at almost zero for more than 8 months before the 
Winstrol. We had given him several blood transfusions because he just wasn’t 
producing any red cells himself.
 
Amani
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Katherine K.
Sent: September-21-15 11:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
 
We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check 
up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat Krammer 
used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, and is now 
down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm 
debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them monthly for the 
past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure if they actually do 
anything.  Sigh.
 
On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis  wrote:
All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
Jennifer L
On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
> Best wishes.
>
> James G Wilson - phaedru...@comcast.net
> (217) 816-8680 (cell)
> http://weather62704.us (Weather for Springfield, IL)
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

[Amani Oakley]

My Zander had exactly the same symptoms you observed – licking cement and very 
pale gums. His PCV was 5% before I started him on Stanozolol. My first sign 
that the medication might be working was an ever so slight blush on his ivory 
pale gums. I didn’t dare to believe it until I took him to the vets that 
weekend and confirmed his red cells and PCV was up for the first time since the 
terrible ordeal had begun.

Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jenn 
Trotter
Sent: September-21-15 1:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

I am new to this group and never posted but now that I see some activity I was 
hoping to jump in a little and maybe get some opinions on my situation.My name 
is Jenn and my adventure started in August. I will make it brief as I can. We 
adopted 3 kitties from our vet earlier this year, shortly after putting down 
our precious calico from cancer. The 3 kitting were all tested, given shots, 
spayed/neutered etc. Everything was great but the runt started to lick cement 
from the fireplace hearth in early August. I called a vet at the practice I go 
to and they said it didn't mean anything but I could bring her in if I wanted. 
I decided against it but noticed her sleeping more and just not moving much. 
Finally I said I can't take it anymore and took her to my favorite vet 
(especially because her gums were so pale - something i learned with my other 
cat) and her PCV was at 12%. Next thing I know I am taking her a blood 
transfusion. She went from testing negative for Felv, testing positive and then 
negative. We also had IFA's done at two different labs and one was negative and 
one was positive. She had a bone marrow biopsy (and needed another blood 
transfusion) and the IFA from that was negative. No cancer or anything was 
found. Basically, we may never know if she truly has it and her system will be 
able to clear it but it was not in her bone marrow so she has a fighting 
chance. The diagnosis is that it is an auto-immune non-regenerative anemia. She 
just finished two different antibiotics and her pred was upped to 10 mg twice a 
day. Her last blood work which was last week shows that she is not anemic, her 
platelets are increasing but her neutrophils have taken a dive. They are not as 
low as when this first started but they did improve. My vet and the specialist 
was against trying LTCI as they were no studies to back up the claims. Right 
now she is doing great, not running any fevers. I was told that if she is truly 
Felv infected or this is just autoimmune then the treatment would be the same. 
Her brother and sister have tested negative and are thriving and all three were 
dropped off at the vet the same time.
Any thought or questions I might be asking? Any treatment options I may not 
have researched to death? I am so sorry we are having to deal with this for our 
poor babies.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Jennifer Lewis 
> wrote:
So sorry.
One of my non-Leuk kitties is about 20 and we are looking at winding down 
ourselves for the Big Man (not so big any more). He is hyperthyroid and his 
meds have advanced his CRF, and he has heart issues. No heroics... tried that 
on my darling Buff and will never forgive myself.
Our plan now is for his maximum comfort and life quality, as hard as it is for 
us.
It's very hard... but I do recommend the same path. For you and for Bella.

Our hearts are with you~
Jennifer, Manny Man, Brynn, Wiggles, Bev and The Goof

On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:37 AM, simon95 wrote:


My little bella is very sick she has lythomy in her kidneys she hasnt eaten in 
3 days i am force feeding her and she is loosing weight rapidly.


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 Original message 
From: "Katherine K."
Date:2015/09/21 17:24 (GMT+01:00)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check 
up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat Krammer 
used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, and is now 
down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm 
debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them monthly for the 
past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure if they actually do 
anything.  Sigh.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis 
> wrote:
All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
Jennifer L
On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
> Best wishes.
>
> James G Wilson - phaedru...@comcast.net
> (217) 816-8680 (cell)
> 

Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Kelley

I have responded and attached an article but I don’t see my post coming 
through. It may be because of the article size, that there may be a delay. I 
will watch and see if it goes through and try to repost.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley 
S
Sent: September-21-15 2:14 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

Regarding the Winstrol, are there any scientific studies I can show my vet?

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Kelley S 
> wrote:
I am having a problem with the list.  I never see the initial posts (for 
example I did not see this one) , and there were many replies before the thread 
hit my inbox.Merlin is hanging in there.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley 
> wrote:
That’s exactly what it does. In humans, it is also given to treat severe non 
responsive genetic anemia. However, it is an anabolic steroid which athletes 
use, so it is also excellent to build muscle mass in cats that are wasting and 
as I mentioned, it is a superb appetite stimulant.

Quite unfortunately in my opinion, it got a bad reputation because (a) athletes 
abuse it and (b) there was this observation in the vet world that it caused 
liver damage. When our beautiful little Zander had his miraculous turn-around, 
I waited a full year to contact the internal medicine specialist who had seen 
in him in the ER clinic and had administered blood transfusions to Zander. That 
vet and everyone else had told us that there was nothing else that could be 
done when Zander reacted to the second blood transfusion, and we were told a 
third transfusion would likely kill him as he had now developed antibodies to 
the foreign red cells. When I called this vet to tell him of Zander’s amazing 
turn-around and the fact that Zander was actually still alive and doing very 
well after a year, the internist said to me that I had “gone old school” in 
using the Winstrol. When I asked him what he meant, he explained that they used 
to use Winstrol all the time for leukemia and a host of other conditions in 
cats, but they had stopped when some talk at some vet conference suggested that 
it might cause liver damage. I explained that we had followed Zander’s blood 
work closely, and while we did see a rise in some liver enzymes eventually, 
they went back to normal after tapering the medication, and there were no 
lasting problems with the liver. We have now seen this in several other cats 
with other conditions like sarcoma, FIP, etc. We have had good response to the 
Winstrol in almost every scenario we have tried it (and we always take the 
sickest of the sickest cats to look after), and occasionally we seek a spike in 
liver enzymes but it doesn’t affect the cats and it disappears with no lasting 
effect on the liver.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Jenn Trotter
Sent: September-21-15 1:25 PM

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

Amani - I am interested in Winstrol. Is that something that has been tested to 
help non-regenerative anemia?

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Amani Oakley 
> wrote:
Hi Katherine

See my email regarding use of Winstrol. I tried LTCI injections on our little 
boy, while monitoring him extremely closely with weekly blood work. The LTCI 
did absolutely nothing for him, though we tried it for at least six months. As 
soon as I put him on the Winstrol, and again, running weekly blood work, his 
red blood cell numbers began to climb – and I mean within days of starting the 
medication. They continued to climb, as did his platelets which had also been 
running low. His reticulocyte count (measuring new red cell production) also 
went up, and it had been at almost zero for more than 8 months before the 
Winstrol. We had given him several blood transfusions because he just wasn’t 
producing any red cells himself.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Katherine K.
Sent: September-21-15 11:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check 
up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat Krammer 
used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, and is now 
down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm 
debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them monthly for the 
past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure if they actually do 
anything.  Sigh.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM,