Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate
Happy Tails!! Sandy W - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 5:02:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate No appology necessary. It is great news that someone besides us cares enough to do what is right. marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Sorry for spamming, but I wanted to share my joy with you. > My friend just brought me the stargate. > I am proud of my country, my Italian vet, the Italian pharmacist, my family > and my friends that arranged everything in less than 12 hours. > Maybe it won't have any effects, but with all their contributions they are > giving me the possibility to try. > Above all my country that kept it legal for animals, despite all the stupid > humans abusing of it. > And thanks to Ardy, Sandy, Amani, Lorrie, dlgegg and you all for the support. > Marlène and Microbo > > > > [cid:1c57407f-6d40-4c55-874f-2de3209e986e@eurprd09.prod.outlook.com] > > > > > Inviato da iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate
No appology necessary. It is great news that someone besides us cares enough to do what is right. marlene melpignanowrote: > Sorry for spamming, but I wanted to share my joy with you. > My friend just brought me the stargate. > I am proud of my country, my Italian vet, the Italian pharmacist, my family > and my friends that arranged everything in less than 12 hours. > Maybe it won't have any effects, but with all their contributions they are > giving me the possibility to try. > Above all my country that kept it legal for animals, despite all the stupid > humans abusing of it. > And thanks to Ardy, Sandy, Amani, Lorrie, dlgegg and you all for the support. > Marlène and Microbo > > > > [cid:1c57407f-6d40-4c55-874f-2de3209e986e@eurprd09.prod.outlook.com] > > > > > Inviato da iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Stargate
Sorry for spamming, but I wanted to share my joy with you. My friend just brought me the stargate. I am proud of my country, my Italian vet, the Italian pharmacist, my family and my friends that arranged everything in less than 12 hours. Maybe it won't have any effects, but with all their contributions they are giving me the possibility to try. Above all my country that kept it legal for animals, despite all the stupid humans abusing of it. And thanks to Ardy, Sandy, Amani, Lorrie, dlgegg and you all for the support. Marlène and Microbo [cid:1c57407f-6d40-4c55-874f-2de3209e986e@eurprd09.prod.outlook.com] Inviato da iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Stargate and Microbo
Dear all, I went to France today, to an oncologic clinic, although I was very uncertain on what's better for my cat. But I think Microbo deserves a proper diagnosis in case there is still hope for treatments. The French vet explained me that he would not suffer for the exam of his bone marrow since they use anesthesia and morphine, and actually he seems fine now, even better than yesterday, he was hungry once back home. The vet thinks that despite the cortisone Microbo has taken, they can find what's wrong with him. He also thinks that Microbo has neither leukemia nor lymphoma. He thinks of something else related to the bone marrow and in one case out of three it would be treatable. The other two scenarios would lead to leukemia in any case. He knew nothing about Winstrol/stargate but wanted all the articles I had. It seems that in France they rather use nandrolone. In one week we will have the result and in the meanwhile I should also get the stargate. I found Sandy's article very interesting and saying the truth: it's not miraculous, but worth trying it when there is nothing we can loose. Now I feel better, since everything I could do has been done, including driving alone back and forth to France for almost 4 hours... but my kitty deserves this and even more. Thanks for being there. Kisses M ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate?
The Androgen Group-Anabolic Steroids Veterinary & Aquatic Services Department, Drs. Foster & Smith Print Article | Email Article This is from the Drs. Fosters & Smith website - for anyone interested Sandy W These compounds are related to the male hormone testosterone. They are referred to as the anabolic steroids because they cause the formation of new proteins. As we stated before, they are often abused by athletes trying to increase strength and muscle mass. Their use in canine medicine, while infrequent, is related to these and similar properties. Anabolic steroids come in liquid forms for injection and tablets for oral administration. Two of the most commonly used in canine medicine are stanozolol (Winstrol-V) and nandrolone (DecaDurabolin). Animals that have been sick for a long time or who have been through severe, debilitating injuries often have generalized weakness and atrophied muscles. In some, this has progressed to the point where the animals can no longer walk or even stand. Their bodies are just too run down, and without some outside stimulation, they simply may give up the will to live. Anabolic steroids are sometimes useful in these situations. The therapy may take several weeks. The medications can be most helpful if the veterinarian recognizes the condition before too much strength is lost. Anabolic steroids assist the body in regaining its muscle mass by building new proteins, which are the primary constituent of muscle fibers. Additionally, they help strengthen existing muscles. In some of these same cases, anabolic steroids are frequently used to stimulate the debilitated or recovering patient's appetite. To achieve this effect usually requires several days to several weeks of therapy for significant changes. The anabolic steroids are also useful in treating certain types of anemia . Anemia is the term used to describe lower than normal numbers of red blood cells (RBCs). In certain cases where the bone marrow has stopped producing new RBCs, administration of anabolic steroids will stimulate this system and bring the number of these cells back to normal levels. They also are known to stimulate the production of white blood cells and platelets (tiny cells in blood that assist in clotting) to a lesser degree. In these situations, the anabolic steroids are useful only in increasing the numbers of these cells. They do not increase the ability of the cells to function . Kidney failure often brings on anemia because these organs may fail to produce the substance erythropoietin. Its normal function is to monitor the level of RBCs in the body and to stimulate the bone marrow to increase production when RBC numbers are too low. In its absence, anabolic steroids are often useful in reversing the effects of this anemia. They do not cause new erythropoietin to be produced; they only replace its function. In many situations, the anabolic steroids fail to provide the benefits described here. Regardless of which particular product is used, it is often impossible to reverse the condition present. These are not miracle drugs that can save every debilitated or severely ill patient, but in some they can help. As stated, these medications are closely related to testosterone and many of the problems associated with their usage are brought on by the normal actions of the male hormones. They can cause cessation of heat cycles and imitation mounting behavior in females. In males, they have been found to increase the incidence of prostate disease and certain hernias and tumors that are caused by normal testosterone levels in older male dogs. Normal sperm production is often disrupted, with few new cells being formed. None of these problems are considered significant in these cases, as many of the patients are already in a life or death situation. Anabolic steroids also cause water retention and this can cause additional complications in kidney or heart failure patients. These products also increase the absorption of calcium by the intestinal tract and cause the kidneys to retain calcium during normal urine production. Both of these actions lead to excessively high calcium levels in the blood which can be disastrous to normal heart function. This can be quickly fatal in those with already failing hearts. - Original Message - From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 4:40:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate? An odd name for a drug... but... terrific if it really is Stanazalol and you can get hold of it... Your Kitty is lucky to have an owner so commited to his survival... I am hoping hard that all your kind effort pays off... he AND you deserve it. I don't know that it makes a difference which mode of administration is used... though
Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate?
An odd name for a drug... but... terrific if it really is Stanazalol and you can get hold of it... Your Kitty is lucky to have an owner so commited to his survival... I am hoping hard that all your kind effort pays off... he AND you deserve it. I don't know that it makes a difference which mode of administration is used... though, generally, with drugs some of the dose is lost while traveling through the digestive system and first pass through the liver ( though that will happen i)... so I'd be "inclined" more toward injection if it's SubQ ( they hardly feel it) IM can be a bit more painful and I'd want to know for certain that there are clear advantages to this before I subjected a kitty to this... I'm so hoping fate and luck are with you and your kitty... On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 10:09 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help (dlg...@windstream.net) 2. Re: Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help (Ardy Robertson) 3. Re: Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help (marlene melpignano) 4. Re: Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help (dlg...@windstream.net) 5. Re: Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help (Amani Oakley) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 14:24:50 -0500 From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help Message-ID: <20171101152450.OYSA9.18972.root@pamxwww01-z01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Amani Oakley wrote: Marlene The suggestion of Winstrol/Doxy/Prednisone has been used repeatedly on cats with leukemia and lymphoma. Also, Winstrol is very helpful when a cat is not eating. Unfortunately, though there are other steroids, I am not certain you will get the same result if you use another steroid in place of the Winstrol. DO NOT USE another antibiotic. Doxycycline interferes with the virus replication and is added on to assist in retarding the reproduction of the virus, to enable the Winstrol and prednisone to have an effect. It is not for a secondary infection. I find it bizarre that, over and over again, vets will dither while a cat is dying. Put the cat on the meds, for goodness sake, and see the response and if there isn?t an appreciable response after a reasonable period of time, look for another option. But don?t have a debate while the cat is declining. What's the worst that could happen? It doesn?t work? What other options are they giving you??? COULD IT BE THAT VETS ARE WORRIED ABOUT LAWSUITS IF ANYTHING GOES WRONG? I find it odd that the vets say Winstrol is illegal in Europe. If you go on line, you will see that it can be ordered from places like Germany. If necessary, get your vets to put him on the other steroid, though I really doubt it will assist - Winstrol uniquely causes the turning on of blood cell production in the bone marrow - I don?t think there is another steroid that does this. Then go ahead and order the Winstrol online from Germany or wherever else it can be sourced. But don't wait. The longer you wait, the worse the condition of your cat, thus worsening the chances of anything working. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of marlene melpignano Sent: November-01-17 4:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help Dear All, Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while. Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat? About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on;