Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets
Veterinarians' views differ: My veterinarian who also practices holistic, herbal, nutritional medicine does not like to vaccinate FeLV or FIV positive cats too often due to their compromised immune systems. All vaccines are only 80% effective, and over-vaccinating being a strong probable reason for those immune diseases, it can often do more harm than help. The problem with vaccinating healthy cats with the FIV vaccine is that all future tests will show them to be positive, whether they are or not. As I wrote before, I have never had any problems with mixing FIV+ cats with healthy cats, as long as they got along! In the past 18 years, I have had at least 12 FIV+ cats that gave birth to kittens that have never been infected and went on to live healthy and long lives after they were adopted. One of those cats, at age 13, developed cancer and the owner went all out on medical care - cat is in remission now. I have had a FeLV+ male cat for the past two years - I kept him separate because I don't like mixing FeLV and FIV together. I had the hardest time finding a home for him because FeLV+ cats are almost immediately killed and so many vets even recommend to owners that they euthanize their positive pet. I finally decided to look around for another FeLV+ cat for companyit took ages; I finally found one in NJ (I'm in CT). After one night being in separate cages next to one another, they are sharing a nice large condo and have become the best of buddies. My vet always says vaccinate according to a cat's lifestyle - if it goes outside, it obviously needs all the protection available; if it's an indoor cat, vaccinate only what is required by the state - rabies! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 10:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets I agree, totally. Hooray for your vet! On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:40 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, THANK GOD FOR MY VET. HE SAYS IF YOU KEEP THE NEGATIVES HEALTHY AND UP TO DATE ON SHOTS IT IS OKAY AND HE IS WILLING TO READ/LISTEN TO ANYTHING I BRING HIM. trmckel...@charter.net wrote: I couldn't agree more with you, Sharyl. Lots of vets think PTS first with FeLV and FIV. I often think they just don't know any better. The first option my vet offered with my first FeLV+, a beautiful blue-eyed Ragdoll, was PTS, and my vet is very progressive. I also said no way, Selena had already wrapped me around her little paw :-), we'll find other options. I found out about LTCI via websearch, got my vets on board, and now my vets are believers after using it to save an FIV positive male they were pretty sure wasn't going to make it. They wouldn't have known to try it if I hadn't pushed it in the first place. Terry Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: = A lot depends on the age of the negative cats. Kittens seem more susceptible. I am one of those that has mixed positives and negatives for almost 3 yrs. But my negatives were current on their FeLV vaccine before I started mixing and they get annual booster shots. It really is an individual decision. My 1st vet wanted to PTS Sissy and Rocket just because they were FeLV+. Then she wanted to notify AC to kill all the cats in the colony I rescued them from. Told her no way were we going to kill Sissy and Rocket and no way was I telling anyone where the colony was. PETA is another group intent on killing all FeLV kitties. Some never mix and some mix very successfully. I my case I was bringing positive kittens into a home with vaccinated adult negatives. 7 of my 8 positive kittens have now crossed the Rainbow Bridge and there has been to issues with my negative cats. Sharyl --- On Mon, 6/14/10, brooklynnat...@charter.net brooklynnat...@charter.net wrote: From: brooklynnat...@charter.net brooklynnat...@charter.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: dlg...@windstream.net Date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 7:38 PM My vet totally discourages putting them together. He said there is too much risk. I have 7 other cats that are all healthy and I would love to be able to have them all be together but I'm afraid. I wouldn't want the healthy ones to get sick. I would feel so responsible. dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Theresa, if you felv kitty is lonely, ask your vet about mixing him with your other cats. my veet said that as long as hey are up on their shots, it is okay and mine have been mixed for 2 years now with no problems. sure does make everyone happier. brooklynnat...@charter.net wrote: I live in Black Mountain NC and would be more than happy to give him a home. I'm really not too familiar with how things
Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets
You got that right - vet views differ radically, which I'm sure many of us experience. For example, A couple of years ago a vet up in the heights, a nice part of Little Rock, isolated an FIV mama cat in a closet because he was afraid to place her anywhere near other cats. He recommended euthanization. Fortunately, the lady who found her didn't do it and brought her back home. Nice to hear some more confirmation on FIV kittens going negative, that's what we've experienced also. I think it was MC who said they always mixed FIV and FELV at the sanctuary she was with in Michigan, and never any problems. Gloria On Jun 19, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Natalie wrote: Veterinarians' views differ: My veterinarian who also practices holistic, herbal, nutritional medicine does not like to vaccinate FeLV or FIV positive cats too often due to their compromised immune systems. All vaccines are only 80% effective, and over-vaccinating being a strong probable reason for those immune diseases, it can often do more harm than help. The problem with vaccinating healthy cats with the FIV vaccine is that all future tests will show them to be positive, whether they are or not. As I wrote before, I have never had any problems with mixing FIV+ cats with healthy cats, as long as they got along! In the past 18 years, I have had at least 12 FIV+ cats that gave birth to kittens that have never been infected and went on to live healthy and long lives after they were adopted. One of those cats, at age 13, developed cancer and the owner went all out on medical care - cat is in remission now. I have had a FeLV+ male cat for the past two years - I kept him separate because I don't like mixing FeLV and FIV together. I had the hardest time finding a home for him because FeLV+ cats are almost immediately killed and so many vets even recommend to owners that they euthanize their positive pet. I finally decided to look around for another FeLV+ cat for companyit took ages; I finally found one in NJ (I'm in CT). After one night being in separate cages next to one another, they are sharing a nice large condo and have become the best of buddies. My vet always says vaccinate according to a cat's lifestyle - if it goes outside, it obviously needs all the protection available; if it's an indoor cat, vaccinate only what is required by the state - rabies! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 10:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets I agree, totally. Hooray for your vet! On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:40 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, THANK GOD FOR MY VET. HE SAYS IF YOU KEEP THE NEGATIVES HEALTHY AND UP TO DATE ON SHOTS IT IS OKAY AND HE IS WILLING TO READ/LISTEN TO ANYTHING I BRING HIM. trmckel...@charter.net wrote: I couldn't agree more with you, Sharyl. Lots of vets think PTS first with FeLV and FIV. I often think they just don't know any better. The first option my vet offered with my first FeLV+, a beautiful blue-eyed Ragdoll, was PTS, and my vet is very progressive. I also said no way, Selena had already wrapped me around her little paw :-), we'll find other options. I found out about LTCI via websearch, got my vets on board, and now my vets are believers after using it to save an FIV positive male they were pretty sure wasn't going to make it. They wouldn't have known to try it if I hadn't pushed it in the first place. Terry Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: = A lot depends on the age of the negative cats. Kittens seem more susceptible. I am one of those that has mixed positives and negatives for almost 3 yrs. But my negatives were current on their FeLV vaccine before I started mixing and they get annual booster shots. It really is an individual decision. My 1st vet wanted to PTS Sissy and Rocket just because they were FeLV+. Then she wanted to notify AC to kill all the cats in the colony I rescued them from. Told her no way were we going to kill Sissy and Rocket and no way was I telling anyone where the colony was. PETA is another group intent on killing all FeLV kitties. Some never mix and some mix very successfully. I my case I was bringing positive kittens into a home with vaccinated adult negatives. 7 of my 8 positive kittens have now crossed the Rainbow Bridge and there has been to issues with my negative cats. Sharyl --- On Mon, 6/14/10, brooklynnat...@charter.net brooklynnat...@charter.net wrote: From: brooklynnat...@charter.net brooklynnat...@charter.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: dlg...@windstream.net Date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 7:38 PM My vet totally discourages putting them together. He said there is too much risk. I have 7
Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets
How wonderful that there are people who will NOT always listen to their vets! Happy ending for poor mama cat and kittens! I was told by other vets, whenever I recued a pregnant FIV+ cat, to euthanize immediately. Or, if she already had kittens, to euthanize them, too. I still get calls from people who have rescued kittens with a FIV+ mother, and they are in tears because the vet told them to kill them all. All the kittens that we had tested over the years, no earlier than 10 weeks of age (can be false positives), their immune systems had already developed enough to fight off the FIV. The biggest mistakes that many vets and rescue groups make is to test the kittens at a very young age when their immune systems had not yet fully developed. There's so much misinformation, to this day! I don't know, maybe I'm too afraid of mixing FeLV and FIV positive cats. I'll talk to my vet again and see what he thinks - they're all in great health! It would be nice if they could all use the outdoor enclosure; right now, only the FIV cats have that luxury. The only ones who cannot, are the two FeLV sweeties. What have anyone's experiences been with LTCI and their FeLV/FIV cats? Natalie =^..^= -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 11:11 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets You got that right - vet views differ radically, which I'm sure many of us experience. For example, A couple of years ago a vet up in the heights, a nice part of Little Rock, isolated an FIV mama cat in a closet because he was afraid to place her anywhere near other cats. He recommended euthanization. Fortunately, the lady who found her didn't do it and brought her back home. Nice to hear some more confirmation on FIV kittens going negative, that's what we've experienced also. I think it was MC who said they always mixed FIV and FELV at the sanctuary she was with in Michigan, and never any problems. Gloria On Jun 19, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Natalie wrote: Veterinarians' views differ: My veterinarian who also practices holistic, herbal, nutritional medicine does not like to vaccinate FeLV or FIV positive cats too often due to their compromised immune systems. All vaccines are only 80% effective, and over-vaccinating being a strong probable reason for those immune diseases, it can often do more harm than help. The problem with vaccinating healthy cats with the FIV vaccine is that all future tests will show them to be positive, whether they are or not. As I wrote before, I have never had any problems with mixing FIV+ cats with healthy cats, as long as they got along! In the past 18 years, I have had at least 12 FIV+ cats that gave birth to kittens that have never been infected and went on to live healthy and long lives after they were adopted. One of those cats, at age 13, developed cancer and the owner went all out on medical care - cat is in remission now. I have had a FeLV+ male cat for the past two years - I kept him separate because I don't like mixing FeLV and FIV together. I had the hardest time finding a home for him because FeLV+ cats are almost immediately killed and so many vets even recommend to owners that they euthanize their positive pet. I finally decided to look around for another FeLV+ cat for companyit took ages; I finally found one in NJ (I'm in CT). After one night being in separate cages next to one another, they are sharing a nice large condo and have become the best of buddies. My vet always says vaccinate according to a cat's lifestyle - if it goes outside, it obviously needs all the protection available; if it's an indoor cat, vaccinate only what is required by the state - rabies! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 10:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets I agree, totally. Hooray for your vet! On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:40 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, THANK GOD FOR MY VET. HE SAYS IF YOU KEEP THE NEGATIVES HEALTHY AND UP TO DATE ON SHOTS IT IS OKAY AND HE IS WILLING TO READ/LISTEN TO ANYTHING I BRING HIM. trmckel...@charter.net wrote: I couldn't agree more with you, Sharyl. Lots of vets think PTS first with FeLV and FIV. I often think they just don't know any better. The first option my vet offered with my first FeLV+, a beautiful blue-eyed Ragdoll, was PTS, and my vet is very progressive. I also said no way, Selena had already wrapped me around her little paw :-), we'll find other options. I found out about LTCI via websearch, got my vets
Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets
I WOULD RATHER NOT VACCINAT MY PRIDE, BUT I DO LET THEM OUT DURING THE DAY IN NICE WEATHER. WE LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WOODS AND OUR NEIGHBORS ARE RACCOONS, DEER, TURKEY, SKUNKS, POSSUMS, ETC., NOT TO LEAVE OUT STRAY CATS. WE ARE ALSO NEAR A RIVER WHICH MEANS MOSQUITOS AND BUFFALO NATS WHO CAN SPREAD HEARTWORM. SO, MY VET SAYS NOT TO TAKE CHANCES. ANYONE HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT? Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Veterinarians' views differ: My veterinarian who also practices holistic, herbal, nutritional medicine does not like to vaccinate FeLV or FIV positive cats too often due to their compromised immune systems. All vaccines are only 80% effective, and over-vaccinating being a strong probable reason for those immune diseases, it can often do more harm than help. The problem with vaccinating healthy cats with the FIV vaccine is that all future tests will show them to be positive, whether they are or not. As I wrote before, I have never had any problems with mixing FIV+ cats with healthy cats, as long as they got along! In the past 18 years, I have had at least 12 FIV+ cats that gave birth to kittens that have never been infected and went on to live healthy and long lives after they were adopted. One of those cats, at age 13, developed cancer and the owner went all out on medical care - cat is in remission now. I have had a FeLV+ male cat for the past two years - I kept him separate because I don't like mixing FeLV and FIV together. I had the hardest time finding a home for him because FeLV+ cats are almost immediately killed and so many vets even recommend to owners that they euthanize their positive pet. I finally decided to look around for another FeLV+ cat for companyit took ages; I finally found one in NJ (I'm in CT). After one night being in separate cages next to one another, they are sharing a nice large condo and have become the best of buddies. My vet always says vaccinate according to a cat's lifestyle - if it goes outside, it obviously needs all the protection available; if it's an indoor cat, vaccinate only what is required by the state - rabies! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 10:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets I agree, totally. Hooray for your vet! On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:40 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, THANK GOD FOR MY VET. HE SAYS IF YOU KEEP THE NEGATIVES HEALTHY AND UP TO DATE ON SHOTS IT IS OKAY AND HE IS WILLING TO READ/LISTEN TO ANYTHING I BRING HIM. trmckel...@charter.net wrote: I couldn't agree more with you, Sharyl. Lots of vets think PTS first with FeLV and FIV. I often think they just don't know any better. The first option my vet offered with my first FeLV+, a beautiful blue-eyed Ragdoll, was PTS, and my vet is very progressive. I also said no way, Selena had already wrapped me around her little paw :-), we'll find other options. I found out about LTCI via websearch, got my vets on board, and now my vets are believers after using it to save an FIV positive male they were pretty sure wasn't going to make it. They wouldn't have known to try it if I hadn't pushed it in the first place. Terry Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: = A lot depends on the age of the negative cats. Kittens seem more susceptible. I am one of those that has mixed positives and negatives for almost 3 yrs. But my negatives were current on their FeLV vaccine before I started mixing and they get annual booster shots. It really is an individual decision. My 1st vet wanted to PTS Sissy and Rocket just because they were FeLV+. Then she wanted to notify AC to kill all the cats in the colony I rescued them from. Told her no way were we going to kill Sissy and Rocket and no way was I telling anyone where the colony was. PETA is another group intent on killing all FeLV kitties. Some never mix and some mix very successfully. I my case I was bringing positive kittens into a home with vaccinated adult negatives. 7 of my 8 positive kittens have now crossed the Rainbow Bridge and there has been to issues with my negative cats. Sharyl --- On Mon, 6/14/10, brooklynnat...@charter.net brooklynnat...@charter.net wrote: From: brooklynnat...@charter.net brooklynnat...@charter.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: dlg...@windstream.net Date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 7:38 PM My vet totally discourages putting them together. He said there is too much risk. I have 7 other cats that are all healthy and I would love to be able to have them all be together but I'm afraid. I
Re: [Felvtalk] was Blind/Deaf Cat - now FIV and vets
I agree, totally. Hooray for your vet! On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:40 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, THANK GOD FOR MY VET. HE SAYS IF YOU KEEP THE NEGATIVES HEALTHY AND UP TO DATE ON SHOTS IT IS OKAY AND HE IS WILLING TO READ/LISTEN TO ANYTHING I BRING HIM. trmckel...@charter.net wrote: I couldn't agree more with you, Sharyl. Lots of vets think PTS first with FeLV and FIV. I often think they just don't know any better. The first option my vet offered with my first FeLV+, a beautiful blue-eyed Ragdoll, was PTS, and my vet is very progressive. I also said no way, Selena had already wrapped me around her little paw :-), we'll find other options. I found out about LTCI via websearch, got my vets on board, and now my vets are believers after using it to save an FIV positive male they were pretty sure wasn't going to make it. They wouldn't have known to try it if I hadn't pushed it in the first place. Terry Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: = A lot depends on the age of the negative cats. Kittens seem more susceptible. I am one of those that has mixed positives and negatives for almost 3 yrs. But my negatives were current on their FeLV vaccine before I started mixing and they get annual booster shots. It really is an individual decision. My 1st vet wanted to PTS Sissy and Rocket just because they were FeLV+. Then she wanted to notify AC to kill all the cats in the colony I rescued them from. Told her no way were we going to kill Sissy and Rocket and no way was I telling anyone where the colony was. PETA is another group intent on killing all FeLV kitties. Some never mix and some mix very successfully. I my case I was bringing positive kittens into a home with vaccinated adult negatives. 7 of my 8 positive kittens have now crossed the Rainbow Bridge and there has been to issues with my negative cats. Sharyl --- On Mon, 6/14/10, brooklynnat...@charter.net brooklynnat...@charter.net wrote: From: brooklynnat...@charter.net brooklynnat...@charter.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: dlg...@windstream.net Date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 7:38 PM My vet totally discourages putting them together. He said there is too much risk. I have 7 other cats that are all healthy and I would love to be able to have them all be together but I'm afraid. I wouldn't want the healthy ones to get sick. I would feel so responsible. dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Theresa, if you felv kitty is lonely, ask your vet about mixing him with your other cats. my veet said that as long as hey are up on their shots, it is okay and mine have been mixed for 2 years now with no problems. sure does make everyone happier. brooklynnat...@charter.net wrote: I live in Black Mountain NC and would be more than happy to give him a home. I'm really not too familiar with how things are done here but I have a male that I rescued from outside that has feline leukemia and I keep him separated from my other cats. I'm sure he would be happy for the company. Let me know if you think it might work. Theresa Palumbo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
