RE: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?
Depends on what your shelter's policies are regarding feral cats, usually open admission shelters kill feral cats right away. Check out www.alleycat.org for information on Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) and the humane and viable solution to controlling the feral cat population. Alley Cat Allies and animal welfare advocate Nathan Winograd (www.nokilladvocacycenter.org) recommend shelters not accept feral cats into the shelter since they cannot be adopted and recommend trap-neuter-return. Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 22:18:00 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Exactly what are my rights here? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hello everyone, Several of you here know my story about trapping an orange and white cat , whom I named Marmalade. The cat was trapped this last Sunday night in my personal trap. The cat was then transported to our local shelter by a policeman. When the cat was turned over, he became the property of the county shelter...He was trapped at my friend's house, together we decided to call the officer... The shelter decided Monday morning he was a wildferal cat and told me he was put in with the wild kitties and would have to be put down. They did say they would wait 3-days to see if anyone came forward to claim him. I went in Monday morning to see the kitty and get my trap back...I was told I could not see him. I asked if I could take him to be tested.After some discussion, I was told I could. I made the appt. for that Monday. I was then told I could not test him until Thursday, after the 3-day waiting period. I went to the shelter yesterday morning to visit the kitty. I just wanted to see him , see if he might talk back to me, show some sign of wanting me to work with him. I was told by a worker ,because he was in the wild kitty section, I was not allowed to see him...I was told the reason being they were worried about liability...I tried to understand their point and did not want to be too much of a thorn in their behind, because at least they had given me permission to have the cat tested on Thursday morning. I had an appt. for 9:15 am. The shelter opens at 9:00am. I was using the same vet they use... Last night I was heading down to the shelter after work and had decided to bring up some points about if this kitty tested negative for the FeLV and FIV and I decided to neuter this cat...after all I already had an investment in the cat and if the cat were young...looked under three years old...was there maybe someone who might enjoy the challenge of working with a feral...if indeed this cat was a feral...Things like that...I called my friend on the way home and decided one more day would not hurt that much and at least after the test I'd have one important plus to work with if the cat tested clean...Us cat people do tend to rattle people enough as it is... Well, I got home tonight and there was a message on my phone from the director of our shelter...It was: Hi Glenda, I have some good and bad news for you. If you get this before 7:00pm give me a call @Otherwise call me in the morning...I got the message after 9:00pm. Well guys, nothing like suspense...I hate to jump to conclusions , but I bet they put the cat down...and they will tell me he tested neg. I will be on the computer to tell everyone the rest of the story in the morning... The fact the beginning of the story is a story in itself, should hold everyone until morning...I seriously wonder what the wild cat area is like??? I'd like to know what they do with ferals after they are caught here...? I am going to be talking to feral cat people in other neighboring areas to see what type of programs they have...Thanks for reading this. Glenda Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 _ Messenger Café — open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_AugWLtagline
Re: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?
You may not have any. It depends on your local laws, which I would check into. Our local high kill shelter can kill owner surrenders right away. Strays have a 3 day hold time mandated by law (they may consider feral cats strays - I really do not know their feral cat policy and I should. If a cat has a registration tag it gets 10 days. I really, really would never take a cat or dog to a kill shelter under any circumstances whatsoever. But that's just me. On 8/9/07, Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depends on what your shelter's policies are regarding feral cats, usually open admission shelters kill feral cats right away. Check out www.alleycat.org for information on Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) and the humane and viable solution to controlling the feral cat population. Alley Cat Allies and animal welfare advocate Nathan Winograd (www.nokilladvocacycenter.org) recommend shelters not accept feral cats into the shelter since they cannot be adopted and recommend trap-neuter-return. Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 22:18:00 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Exactly what are my rights here? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hello everyone, Several of you here know my story about trapping an orange and white cat , whom I named Marmalade. The cat was trapped this last Sunday night in my personal trap. The cat was then transported to our local shelter by a policeman. When the cat was turned over, he became the property of the county shelter...He was trapped at my friend's house, together we decided to call the officer... The shelter decided Monday morning he was a wildferal cat and told me he was put in with the wild kitties and would have to be put down. They did say they would wait 3-days to see if anyone came forward to claim him. I went in Monday morning to see the kitty and get my trap back...I was told I could not see him. I asked if I could take him to be tested.After some discussion, I was told I could. I made the appt. for that Monday. I was then told I could not test him until Thursday, after the 3-day waiting period. I went to the shelter yesterday morning to visit the kitty. I just wanted to see him , see if he might talk back to me, show some sign of wanting me to work with him. I was told by a worker ,because he was in the wild kitty section, I was not allowed to see him...I was told the reason being they were worried about liability...I tried to understand their point and did not want to be too much of a thorn in their behind, because at least they had given me permission to have the cat tested on Thursday morning. I had an appt. for 9:15 am. The shelter opens at 9:00am. I was using the same vet they use... Last night I was heading down to the shelter after work and had decided to bring up some points about if this kitty tested negative for the FeLV and FIV and I decided to neuter this cat...after all I already had an investment in the cat and if the cat were young...looked under three years old...was there maybe someone who might enjoy the challenge of working with a feral...if indeed this cat was a feral...Things like that...I called my friend on the way home and decided one more day would not hurt that much and at least after the test I'd have one important plus to work with if the cat tested clean...Us cat people do tend to rattle people enough as it is... Well, I got home tonight and there was a message on my phone from the director of our shelter...It was: Hi Glenda, I have some good and bad news for you. If you get this before 7:00pm give me a call @Otherwise call me in the morning...I got the message after 9:00pm. Well guys, nothing like suspense...I hate to jump to conclusions , but I bet they put the cat down...and they will tell me he tested neg. I will be on the computer to tell everyone the rest of the story in the morning... The fact the beginning of the story is a story in itself, should hold everyone until morning...I seriously wonder what the wild cat area is like??? I'd like to know what they do with ferals after they are caught here...? I am going to be talking to feral cat people in other neighboring areas to see what type of programs they have...Thanks for reading this. Glenda Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 Messenger Café — open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch
RE: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?
Well this sounds like a very costly lesson for you, your friend, but esp for Marmalade. There are some details missing from the story and I'm a bit confused. Why, if you were interested in helping this cat did you and your friend decide to call animal control in the first place? What did you think was going to happen when you told them you had a feral cat in a trap and asked them to come and get it? An owner relinquished cat has very little chance of making it out alive from a kill shelter, esp during kitten season when there are so many looking for homes, a feral cat has even less of a chance. I would pray that since you have made it so clear to the staff at the shelter that you want to help this cat that they would take pity on him and release him to you, but I doubt that is going to happen unless you come up with some sort of subterfuge, or get very, very insistent. It may already be too late. If it were me and I was ready to make a life-long commitment to Marmalade, I'd find someone from my neighborhood that hasn't already been involved to go with me to the shelter and claim that Marmalade belongs to them. I'd tell them that I found out that he is an outside cat and here's his owner. There will be fines to pay, and they may still refuse to let you have him, but at this point it's probably your best chance of saving his life. I can tell from the few previous posts I've read from you that you are a caring person and would not have set all this in motion if you had known your shelter's policies. Perhaps this experience will turn you into an advocate for feral and stray cats and in Marmalade's name you will save others from a similar experience. Please educate yourself on TNR and other things you can do to champion the cause of feral/stray cats. I don't know the sort of person you are, but if you are really willing to get involved you can turn your frustration over this into a benefit by working to change your local shelter's policies. Some of our most important lessons come at a very high price. I'm praying that somehow this story ends up having a happy ending. I'm sorry for the pain you must be going through, and I'm very sorry for Marmalade. Please let us know what happens. Nina Hello everyone, Several of you here know my story about trapping an orange and white cat , whom I named Marmalade. The cat was trapped this last Sunday night in my personal trap. The cat was then transported to our local shelter by a policeman. When the cat was turned over, he became the property of the county shelter...He was trapped at my friend's house, together we decided to call the officer...
Re: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?
This is sad and dangerous, how many peoples pet cats running loose outside, ticking off neighbors have been falsely turned in as owner surrenders, I'm sure these shelters don't check, just take the word of the person surrendering the cat. Our local high kill shelter can kill owner surrenders right away Me neither ... I really, really would never take a cat or dog to a kill shelter under any circumstances whatsoever. But that's just me. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?
NINA, I WANT TO ANSWER YOU QUICKLY HERE. I BROUGHT MY CAT TRAP DOWN TO MY FRIENDS. THE CAT WAS TRAPPED IN HER YARD . SHE CALLED ME SUNDAY EVENING TO TELL ME HE HAD BEEN TRAPPED. I WAS ON MY WAY, A SHORT WALK TO HER HOUSE TO PICK THE CAT UP. I PLANNED TO TAKE HIM IN IN THE MORNING WHEN THE HUMANE SOCIETY WAS OPENED. THE CAT WOULD HAVE HAD TO SPEND THE ENTIRE NIGHT IN MY TRAP THAT WAY. WELL, IN OUR TOWN IF IT IS AFTER HOURS AND THE HUMANE SOCIETY IS CLOSED YOU CALL THE POLICE DEPT. THEY WILL PICK UP THE ANIMAL AND RELEASE IT INTO A MORE COMFORTABLE SETTING...MY FRIEND AND I DECIDED TO HAVE THE CAT PICKED UP. I PLANNED TO DEAL WITH IT IN THE MORNING...THEN WAS TOLD THE CAT WAS A FERAL...LIKE BEYOND HOPE...GETTING THIS CAT TESTED ,BECAUSE I REALLY NEEDED TO KNOW IT'S HEALTH STATIS ,BECAUSE MY CAT HAD FOUGHT WITH IT WAS STEP ONE. AFTER THAT, AFTER LEARNING IF IT WERE DISEASE FREE WOULD BE STEP TWO. I WOULD TAKE IT UNDER MY WING , SOMEHOW, GET IT NEUTERED...ALL THIS IF MY VET TOLD ME IT WERE REASONABLY YOUNG. I FELT LIKE THIS CAT COULD HAVE A FUTURE. WITH MY PERSONAL SITUATION RIGHT NOW, I HAVE THREE CAT SITUATIONS GOING ON AT MY HOUSE. MY FOUR BIG BOYS, MY GIRL BOY KITTENS, AND MY FeLV+ LITTLE GIRL. THROWING IN A WILD AND WOOLY FERAL TO TAME DOWN WOULD HAVE REALLY STRETCHED ME THIN...EVERYONE GETS A SHIFT RIGHT NOW THREE SHIFTS WOULD HAVE TURNED INTO FOUR. I DO NOT MIX MY GROUPS...I STILL WOULD HAVE BUSTED MY BUTT TO SAVE THIS GUY, WHOM I NAMED MARMALADE. YOU HAVE READ MY RECENT POSTS ,BUT MY EARLY ONE'S YOU HAVE MISSED ,SO OF COURSE YOU ARE A BIT LOST. I PROBABLY SOUND LIKE A NUT...SORRY... THANK YOU FOR GETTING BACK TO ME ON THIS. I DID HAVE PLAN A, B, AND C DOWN FOR THIS CAT...BECAUSE I BELIEVE EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL DESERVES TO HAVE SOMEONE LOOKING OUT FOR HIM. I HAD EVERY INTENTION OF LOOKING OUT FOR THIS LITTLE GUY, BUT I TOTALLY SCREWED UP! I AM SO VERY SORRY! I SHOULD HAVE KEPT HIM OVER NIGHT TO START WITH. I JUST FELT, WITH MY REASONABLY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH MY LOCAL SHELTER, I COULD GET ON TOP OF THINGS THAT NEXT MORNING AND WOULD ALSO HAVE BENEFITTED FROM THE HANDS ON OF OUR SHELTER PEOPLE HERE. I FIGURED I'D GET SOME OPINIONS... I DID NOT BELIEVE HE WAS A FERAL CAT WHEN HE WAS TAKEN IN. HE WAS TOO PRETTY AND QUIET.HE WAS ALSO RIGHT IN OUR YARDS...THE BASE OF MY FRONT STEP THAT NIGHT HE AND MY CAT FOUGHT. BESIDES, I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD, BY MY FRIENDS INVOLVED WITH FERALS, ONE WAY YOU CAN TELL A FERAL FROM A DOMESTIC, IS FERALS GO CRAZY IN TRAPS AND SCREAM THEIR HEADS OFF, DOMESTICS ARE USUALLY QUIET. THIS GUY WAS VERY CALM AFTER I BEGAN TALKING TO HIM. AFTER THIS LETTER I WILL BE OFF THIS SUBJECT, BUT ANYONE OUT THERE, WHO HAS ANY INSIGHT ON THIS SUBJECT, PLEASE WRITE TO ME, BECAUSE I FEEL WE CAN ALL LEARN FROM EACH ONE OF OUR OWN SCREWUPS :ONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS ABOUT THIS SITE. THANK YOU, GLENDA --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well this sounds like a very costly lesson for you, your friend, but esp for Marmalade. There are some details missing from the story and I'm a bit confused. Why, if you were interested in helping this cat did you and your friend decide to call animal control in the first place? What did you think was going to happen when you told them you had a feral cat in a trap and asked them to come and get it? An owner relinquished cat has very little chance of making it out alive from a kill shelter, esp during kitten season when there are so many looking for homes, a feral cat has even less of a chance. I would pray that since you have made it so clear to the staff at the shelter that you want to help this cat that they would take pity on him and release him to you, but I doubt that is going to happen unless you come up with some sort of subterfuge, or get very, very insistent. It may already be too late. If it were me and I was ready to make a life-long commitment to Marmalade, I'd find someone from my neighborhood that hasn't already been involved to go with me to the shelter and claim that Marmalade belongs to them. I'd tell them that I found out that he is an outside cat and here's his owner. There will be fines to pay, and they may still refuse to let you have him, but at this point it's probably your best chance of saving his life. I can tell from the few previous posts I've read from you that you are a caring person and would not have set all this in motion if you had known your shelter's policies. Perhaps this experience will turn you into an advocate for feral and stray cats and in Marmalade's name you will save others from a similar experience. Please educate yourself on TNR and other things you can do to champion the cause of feral/stray cats. I don't know the sort of person you are, but if you are really willing to get involved you can turn your frustration over this into a benefit by working to change your local shelter's policies. Some of our most important lessons come at a very high price. I'm
OT: Exactly what are my rights here?
Hello everyone, Several of you here know my story about trapping an orange and white cat , whom I named Marmalade. The cat was trapped this last Sunday night in my personal trap. The cat was then transported to our local shelter by a policeman. When the cat was turned over, he became the property of the county shelter...He was trapped at my friend's house, together we decided to call the officer... The shelter decided Monday morning he was a wildferal cat and told me he was put in with the wild kitties and would have to be put down. They did say they would wait 3-days to see if anyone came forward to claim him. I went in Monday morning to see the kitty and get my trap back...I was told I could not see him. I asked if I could take him to be tested.After some discussion, I was told I could. I made the appt. for that Monday. I was then told I could not test him until Thursday, after the 3-day waiting period. I went to the shelter yesterday morning to visit the kitty. I just wanted to see him , see if he might talk back to me, show some sign of wanting me to work with him. I was told by a worker ,because he was in the wild kitty section, I was not allowed to see him...I was told the reason being they were worried about liability...I tried to understand their point and did not want to be too much of a thorn in their behind, because at least they had given me permission to have the cat tested on Thursday morning. I had an appt. for 9:15 am. The shelter opens at 9:00am. I was using the same vet they use... Last night I was heading down to the shelter after work and had decided to bring up some points about if this kitty tested negative for the FeLV and FIV and I decided to neuter this cat...after all I already had an investment in the cat and if the cat were young...looked under three years old...was there maybe someone who might enjoy the challenge of working with a feral...if indeed this cat was a feral...Things like that...I called my friend on the way home and decided one more day would not hurt that much and at least after the test I'd have one important plus to work with if the cat tested clean...Us cat people do tend to rattle people enough as it is... Well, I got home tonight and there was a message on my phone from the director of our shelter...It was: Hi Glenda, I have some good and bad news for you. If you get this before 7:00pm give me a call @Otherwise call me in the morning...I got the message after 9:00pm. Well guys, nothing like suspense...I hate to jump to conclusions , but I bet they put the cat down...and they will tell me he tested neg. I will be on the computer to tell everyone the rest of the story in the morning... The fact the beginning of the story is a story in itself, should hold everyone until morning...I seriously wonder what the wild cat area is like??? I'd like to know what they do with ferals after they are caught here...? I am going to be talking to feral cat people in other neighboring areas to see what type of programs they have...Thanks for reading this. Glenda Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
