Re: kitty not eating (Fred - Belinda)
He's a miracle boy all right! Wonderful news. Sending you two power energy to continue to work those miracles. Thanks for the inspiration. Ain't it amazing what love and care can do?? Did you mention to Fred that he had to gain weight or you'd be forced to put the tube in again? I'm so pleased! Nina wendy wrote: I second that! Way to go Fred! So happy to hear this information Belinda. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow Belinda, I am SO happy Fred is doing so well! He's had a remarkable recovery after that terrible infection he developed. I'm so glad to hear he's doing so well now! Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: kitty not eating (Fred - Belinda)
Nina, Yes I did and I think the appetite stimulant is helping alot. He is suppose to get it today but I think I'll skip it and see how he does. It won't hurt to not give it, it isn't the kind that needs to build up, it worked within twenty minutes, maybe less the very first time he got it. I also think he likes chicken home cooked right now, but we all know how picky cats can be. I should get one of the cook books I ordered Friday or for sure by next Monday so I can make a variety, so far it's been the same recipe each time pretty much. Although I did add rice this last time. Getting the texture down is the hardest part. Did you mention to Fred that he had to gain weight or you'd be forced to put the tube in again? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: kitty not eating (Fred - Belinda)
You and me both! Wow Belinda, I am SO happy Fred is doing so well! He's had a remarkable recovery after that terrible infection he developed. I'm so glad to hear he's doing so well now! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: kitty not eating (Fred - Belinda)
I second that! Way to go Fred! So happy to hear this information Belinda. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow Belinda, I am SO happy Fred is doing so well! He's had a remarkable recovery after that terrible infection he developed. I'm so glad to hear he's doing so well now! Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: kitty not eating
Try awful things like KFC in little bites, salty foods like ham, cool things like whipped creama big variety of foods to try to interest him. I used Nutrical with The Royal Princess Kitty Katt and it helped. Just Born worked a few times too. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: MarieG To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:02 PM Subject: kitty not eating Hello everyone, My cat recently was dx with feline leukemia. So far Chica tests negative. The sick cat is three and Chica is two. Cakooie, the male will not eat at all. Any advice about feeding? The vet says his white blood cell count is high and there isn't much to do now but to make him feel comfortable. He does seem to be drinking a bit and is walking around. Do vitamins help? What about high calorie supplements? Mary -- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: kitty not eating
We always used Nutri-Cal, a hi-calorie gel FelaVite, also a gel... Also, baby food [meat] can also help. There also is a med. that can induce the eating, but, forgive me, memory's semi-gone when it comes to certain [impt.] things Best wishes, Hugs, Patti her gang ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: kitty not eating
There are appetite stimulants you could ask your vet about (I can't remember what they are either). What were you feeding him? If it was commercial dry, try something like Innova Evo dry (very flavorful, lots of meat used - even at his very sickest, my Slinky was still eating his Evo) or a canned food (Evo is best, but others will do). I know a lot of people have had luck with Friskies, Fancy Feast, and Nine Lives canned foods for kitties who aren't eating. As Patti said, meat baby food can often work (buy Beach Nut brand as it is only meat and broth, no additives) and if it's just a matter of getting kitty over this hump, you can water it down a bit and syringe-feed it. Also try smelly, strong flavored food - tuna, cooked chicken or broth, etc. It's important that you get kitty to start eating asap! If they go more than a day or two without food, they can get very sick - can't remember what it's called, but someone else will know. So do what you can to get him eating. Good luck! Hugs and ear scrintchies to the babies! Marissa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We always used Nutri-Cal, a hi-calorie gel FelaVite, also a gel... Also, baby food [meat] can also help. There also is a med. that can induce the eating, but, forgive me, memory's semi-gone when it comes to certain [impt.] things Best wishes, Hugs, Patti her gang - See what's free at AOL.com. If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears, one destroys. --Chief Dan George I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: kitty not eating
In a message dated 4/24/07 10:17:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(I can't remember what they are either).
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one w/ a memory problem :)
And, Evo is GREAT!!! Even my ferals loved it!!!
And, yes, I'm one of the ones that have resorted to feeding wet Fancy
Feast Friskies to my ancient Puma... And, he also was having [major] health
issues {toxo, dry FIP] was really going downhill fast
But, thankfully, after months, I can now happily say he is doing quite
well. And, I figured with his age all he's gone thru {put in a KILL
shelter
when his guardian died was slated for euthanasia due to his age, around 11
at that time, so I rescued him], my dear 'ole man can have whatever he
wants.( within reason..lol)
And tuna is also a great choice!! (Puma LOVES that too!)
And the disease you were referring to is feline hepatic lipadosis, AKA,
fatty liver disease. Far too common sadly, I've seen WAY too many
cases
It's so very important to get the kitty to eat. And, probably, see a
vet.(Better safe than sorry)
Hugs.
Patti her gang
(Special hugs from my Puma!!!)
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Re: kitty not eating
Haha. Thanks for clarifying that stuff, Patti! I'm missing 2 inches of my
brain, so I figure I'm entited to a little memory loss now and then. :)
Yes, it is crucial that you get kitty to eat, even if it means
syringe-feeding. Many people feel that when they stop eating on their own it
means it's their time to go. However, if you feel this is just a temporary
feeling and getting him over this hump will buy him more time as a happy
healthy kitty, then I would probably go ahead and syringe him. You have to
make the decisions you think are best for your baby. But I would consult a vet
as soon as you can and then work on getting him to eat.
You would never want to give them tuna or friskies/fancyfeast, etc. on a
regular basis, but at this point the goal is to get him to eat ANYTHING. As
Patty said, when they're seniors and picky, give them what they want. But for
a younger cat, on a regular basis you'll want them on quality food. But when
they're refusing to eat, just get them to eat whatever they will.
Hope that's not too rambling! Good luck...keep us posted!!
Marissa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 4/24/07 10:17:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL
PROTECTED] writes:
(I can't remember what they are either).
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one w/ a memory problem :)
And, Evo is GREAT!!! Even my ferals loved it!!!
And, yes, I'm one of the ones that have resorted to feeding wet Fancy Feast
Friskies to my ancient Puma... And, he also was having [major] health issues
{toxo, dry FIP] was really going downhill fast
But, thankfully, after months, I can now happily say he is doing quite well.
And, I figured with his age all he's gone thru {put in a KILL shelter when
his guardian died was slated for euthanasia due to his age, around 11 at that
time, so I rescued him], my dear 'ole man can have whatever he
wants.( within reason..lol)
And tuna is also a great choice!! (Puma LOVES that too!)
And the disease you were referring to is feline hepatic lipadosis, AKA,
fatty liver disease. Far too common sadly, I've seen WAY too many
cases
It's so very important to get the kitty to eat. And, probably, see a
vet.(Better safe than sorry)
Hugs.
Patti her gang
(Special hugs from my Puma!!!)
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what you do not know you will fear. What one fears, one destroys.
--Chief Dan George
I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to
protection by man from the cruelty of man The greatness of a nation and its
moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. Mohandas
Gandhi (1869-1948)
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Re: kitty not eating
Hello again Mary, I answered your first post to the group and didn't get a response from you, perhaps you didn't see it. I've pasted it below in the hope that it may still help you. In order for you to help Cakooie, you need to figure out what is causing his wbc to be high. It's usually a sign of infection and it's possible that a course of antibiotics might help, is he on antibiotics? People on the list have had success with many different treatments, please do a search on the archives for more information. You really need to impress upon your vet that you want to do everything you can to help Cakooie get better. That may mean finding a different vet that is more willing to help you, even with the felv diagnosis. While Cakooie is fighting to get better he needs to eat. Offer him an assortment of anything you think a healthy cat might be interested in. Sometimes smaller portions are less intimidating to someone that doesn't want to eat, sometimes warming the food to bring out the aroma helps, sometimes gently finger feeding a tiny bit into their mouths gets them started once they taste the food, sometimes they'll lap liquid when they won't eat solids. I've begged and I've prayed, I know how hard it is. Besides the obvious fact that he needs food to gain strength, there is also the danger of something called fatty liver disease, (hepatic lipidosis). You may have to assist-feed him with a syringe to get him through this. There is a yahoo group that might be able to help you with that. Please tell us more about the specifics of Cakooie's case, Nina Hi Mary and welcome. We need more information about exactly what is going on with your kitty, (what's his name?). It sounds like it may be anemia, (pale gums). The thing to keep in mind is that felv does not make them sick in and of itself. Felv damages the immune response and leaves them susceptible to other illness and cancers. I don't know what condition your baby is in, if he's still eating and participating in household activities, that's a good sign. You're vet may be right in that there is nothing more you can do, but a great many vets do not have much experience with felv so they don't know that treating the specific illness that presents itself can and does restore our guys to health and longer life. What has your vet done so far in diagnosing your kitty's illness, (besides run the test for felv)? Depending on the underlying reason for the anemia, there are different treatments, (the same treatments that would be done for any cat with a particular anemic reaction). Did your vet run a blood panel? Did he test for Hemobartenella? Whatever is going on, I am highly doubtful that there isn't more you can do than make him comfortable. Tell us more, we're here to help and support you in any way we can, Nina MarieG wrote: Hello everyone, My cat recently was dx with feline leukemia. So far Chica tests negative. The sick cat is three and Chica is two. Cakooie, the male will not eat at all. Any advice about feeding? The vet says his white blood cell count is high and there isn't much to do now but to make him feel comfortable. He does seem to be drinking a bit and is walking around. Do vitamins help? What about high calorie supplements? Mary Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM-
RE: kitty not eating
We are currently giving our little old girl, Missy-Moo, diazepam as an appetite stimulant, but have heard that pediatric doses of certain B vitamins have the same effect without the side effects, and will be switching as soon as we can get some. B-12 in particular, but most of the Bs are good things, and I understand that the liquid B complex available at health food stores that can be sprinkled on food, (as opposed to what I found at Walgreen's, which you have to put under your (or the cat's???) tongue) is fine to use. There is also a prescription antihistamine called Cyroheptadine which stimulates appetite in cats, as do catnip and Nutri-Cal (which has a special cat formula). Also Hill's A/D (if it's still safe) which has the advantage over baby food, KFC etc. for long term use of having the particular nutrients cats need. Hope this helps, Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marissa Johnson Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: kitty not eating There are appetite stimulants you could ask your vet about (I can't remember what they are either). What were you feeding him? If it was commercial dry, try something like Innova Evo dry (very flavorful, lots of meat used - even at his very sickest, my Slinky was still eating his Evo) or a canned food (Evo is best, but others will do). I know a lot of people have had luck with Friskies, Fancy Feast, and Nine Lives canned foods for kitties who aren't eating. As Patti said, meat baby food can often work (buy Beach Nut brand as it is only meat and broth, no additives) and if it's just a matter of getting kitty over this hump, you can water it down a bit and syringe-feed it. Also try smelly, strong flavored food - tuna, cooked chicken or broth, etc. It's important that you get kitty to start eating asap! If they go more than a day or two without food, they can get very sick - can't remember what it's called, but someone else will know. So do what you can to get him eating. Good luck! Hugs and ear scrintchies to the babies! Marissa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We always used Nutri-Cal, a hi-calorie gel FelaVite, also a gel... Also, baby food [meat] can also help. There also is a med. that can induce the eating, but, forgive me, memory's semi-gone when it comes to certain [impt.] things Best wishes, Hugs, Patti her gang http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/anmls/cat See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 . If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears, one destroys. --Chief Dan George I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html; _ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM - This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: kitty not eating
Valium is one. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Marissa Johnson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: Re: kitty not eating There are appetite stimulants you could ask your vet about (I can't remember what they are either). What were you feeding him? If it was commercial dry, try something like Innova Evo dry (very flavorful, lots of meat used - even at his very sickest, my Slinky was still eating his Evo) or a canned food (Evo is best, but others will do). I know a lot of people have had luck with Friskies, Fancy Feast, and Nine Lives canned foods for kitties who aren't eating. As Patti said, meat baby food can often work (buy Beach Nut brand as it is only meat and broth, no additives) and if it's just a matter of getting kitty over this hump, you can water it down a bit and syringe-feed it. Also try smelly, strong flavored food - tuna, cooked chicken or broth, etc. It's important that you get kitty to start eating asap! If they go more than a day or two without food, they can get very sick - can't remember what it's called, but someone else will know. So do what you can to get him eating. Good luck! Hugs and ear scrintchies to the babies! Marissa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We always used Nutri-Cal, a hi-calorie gel FelaVite, also a gel... Also, baby food [meat] can also help. There also is a med. that can induce the eating, but, forgive me, memory's semi-gone when it comes to certain [impt.] things Best wishes, Hugs, Patti her gang See what's free at AOL.com. If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears, one destroys. --Chief Dan George I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) -- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: kitty not eating - Please do not attempt to self prescribe meds
Mary, There have been concerns raised with the use of valium for kitties. I've used the appetite stimulant Cyproheptadine made into a transdermal gel to be applied to the inside tip of a cat's ear. It's much less stressful to administer a drug in this way than forcing them to ingest it. I strongly suggest that you speak to your vet about the different options that would be appropriate in helping Cakooie begin eating and for further diagnostic/treatment plans. I would also suggest that you ask your regular vet for a referral to a board certified Internist specialized in the care of cats. While we on the list are well meaning in offering suggestions that might benefit you and your cat, you need to seek the advice of a professional who will be better able to advise you on protocols and medications indicated. Print out our emails and archive suggestions and arm yourself with questions on how to best help your Cakooie. Please make the appointment asap. Nina
Re: kitty not eating - Please do not attempt to self prescribe meds
I totally agree with Nina on this seek your Vet's opinion and options on this. I have very good luck using Cyproheptadine as well on kitties that weren't not eating. In a message dated 4/24/2007 12:43:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mary, There have been concerns raised with the use of valium for kitties. I've used the appetite stimulant Cyproheptadine made into a transdermal gel to be applied to the inside tip of a cat's ear. It's much less stressful to administer a drug in this way than forcing them to ingest it. I strongly suggest that you speak to your vet about the different options that would be appropriate in helping Cakooie begin eating and for further diagnostic/treatment plans. I would also suggest that you ask your regular vet for a referral to a board certified Internist specialized in the care of cats. While we on the list are well meaning in offering suggestions that might benefit you and your cat, you need to seek the advice of a professional who will be better able to advise you on protocols and medications indicated. Print out our emails and archive suggestions and arm yourself with questions on how to best help your Cakooie. Please make the appointment asap. Nina Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: kitty not eating - Please do not attempt to self prescribe meds
thanks, nina, for pointing out this very VITAL point. we are NOT vets, and all we can offer are opinions, suggestions on what has worked for us, and what our vets have recommended for our cats, based upon their specific conditions. no email list should ever be a substitute for a good working relationship with a veterinary professional. and as belinda and some of us have said many times--if you don't trust your vet, or don't feel that your vet treats you with respect or listens to your concerns or is willing to learn, GET A NEW VET. you are the one paying the bills, you are the employer, and you are the one responsible for the health and well-being of the critters under your care. there are phenomenal vets out there, and there's no reason to stay with ones who won't work with you, unless you're in a location where you literally have no choice--and that doesn't happen all that often. speaking of which, please go to www.adopt.bemikitties.com and PUT IN YOUR VET'S INFO, so newcomers moving to your town know who to go see! MC On 4/24/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mary, There have been concerns raised with the use of valium for kitties. I've used the appetite stimulant Cyproheptadine made into a transdermal gel to be applied to the inside tip of a cat's ear. It's much less stressful to administer a drug in this way than forcing them to ingest it. I strongly suggest that you speak to your vet about the different options that would be appropriate in helping Cakooie begin eating and for further diagnostic/treatment plans. I would also suggest that you ask your regular vet for a referral to a board certified Internist specialized in the care of cats. While we on the list are well meaning in offering suggestions that might benefit you and your cat, you need to seek the advice of a professional who will be better able to advise you on protocols and medications indicated. Print out our emails and archive suggestions and arm yourself with questions on how to best help your Cakooie. Please make the appointment asap. Nina -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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I did not see a veterinarian's list at the www.adopt.bemikitties.com website. How do we add our veterinatian's information to the site? Do new members have to register first or is the info included in the ads? --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: speaking of which, please go to: www.adopt.bemikitties.com and PUT IN YOUR VET'S INFO, so newcomers moving to your town know who to go see! MC On 4/24/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mary, There have been concerns raised with the use of valium for kitties. I've used the appetite stimulant Cyproheptadine made into a transdermal gel to be applied to the inside tip of a cat's ear. It's much less stressful to administer a drug in this way than forcing them to ingest it. I strongly suggest that you speak to your vet about the different options that would be appropriate in helping Cakooie begin eating and for further diagnostic/treatment plans. I would also suggest that you ask your regular vet for a referral to a board certified Internist specialized in the care of cats. While we on the list are well meaning in offering suggestions that might benefit you and your cat, you need to seek the advice of a professional who will be better able to advise you on protocols and medications indicated. Print out our emails and archive suggestions and arm yourself with questions on how to best help your Cakooie. Please make the appointment asap. Nina -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I'm glad to hear from you Mary. I'm sending your reply to the list so they can chime in with suggestions and support. Are you reading the replies sent to you on the felv list, or only the ones I've cc'd to your email address? Absolutely the vaccinations could have triggered whatever is going on with Cakooie. Not necessarily the shots themselves, but the stress of his dealing with them might have been too much for his immune system to cope with. There has been a great deal of discussion about the necessity of vaccinating felv kitties, (and about the dangers/benefits of vac in general), because of the fear of negative reactions. Stress of any type needs to be avoided whenever possible for our felv kids. As little stress, (both on the body and environmentally), a good diet, supplements like vitamins etc, and quick medical intervention are essential to keeping them strong and healthy. What was the antibiotic prescribed and what did the vet tell you it was for? Different abx combat different things. He may need a different abx, or need to be kept on them longer than the usual course. Is he still on them? Is he eating on his own at all now? I can hear the concern and anxiety in your words. Everyone on this list understands and can empathize with what you are going through. I don't want to scare you, but I wouldn't waste another minute in finding a vet with experience in dealing with felv or specialized in feline illnesses. In another post to you I suggested that you ask your current vet for a referral to a board certified Internist. Your vet shouldn't be offended by your asking him for help in seeking a second opinion. GP vets cannot be expected to know about the latest treatments and diagnosis techniques, that's what the specialist are for. Most regular vets have a list of phone numbers to give their clients for just this sort of scenario. I would also call your vet-acquaintance from church and ask her opinion on what to do next as well. Prayers for you and Cakooie, please post often and let us know how you guys are doing, Nina MarieG wrote: hI Thanks for the suggestions. I've been to two vets. One gave him some antibiotics and something to stimulate his appetite. Another vet basically said that all i can do is watch and wait. What's odd is this all came about so quickly. Cakooie has always had a healthy appetite. When he didn't eat, i knew something was wrong. I took him to get shots at the animal shelter three weeks ago. I wonder if that could've set this off? Anyway, i have been giving him a high calorie gel. I think I need to talk to another vet. I have taken my pets to my current vet since i was a kid. This is all so new to me. My cat appeared just fine about a week ago. Then he just quit eating. A woman who goes to my church is a vet in another town. Perhaps she can give me some referrals. Mary
Re: kitty not eating
This is the appetite stimulent Fred is currently getting - *Mirtazapine*, it is fairly new or at least I've never heard of it, I think my vet said that though. Don't let them taste it, it must be bad, Fred hates it and I have a h*ll of a time giving it to him even though it is tiny, but he foams at the mouth if I don't get it back far enough so it must be really gross. I even wrapped it in butter and he still tried to spit it out and foamed, thank god its only every 3 days. What I love about it though is he only gets it every 3 days and it works very well, he is slowly gaining back his weight. He was at 8lbs 4oz on about the 11th of April when we started it and was 9lbs 9.5oz yesterday when I weighed him, I'm weighting him daily for the vet and he has gained every single day. ***Just weighed him, he is 9lbs 11.5oz now!!* She wanted me to give him a quarter pill every 3 days but after reading up on it and seeing the starting dose was 1/8 to 1/4 of course I started him on the 1/8 every 3 days and that is enough for him. His appetite is definitely much better. If it continues and he is fairly good about his heart meds now and if his blood work is OK he won't need the feeding tube after all. He is eating what I cook, still in the process of switching the others but Fred thankfully prefers my cooking to the commercial food. We have an appointment tomorrow for bloodwork so I'm really excited to see where we are there. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: kitty not eating (assisted feeding, feline anorexia, and hepatic lipidosis)
Also worth considering... if you took him to an animal shelter to get his shots is the fact that he could have caught some contagious virus while at the shelter. It would be worth calling the shelter to inquire as to if they have any currently active cat infections going around, like Upper Respiratory Infections. Shelters are, by there very nature, FULL of cats with various unknown health concerns, many of which are contagious. I would never take my cats to a shelter for anything, especially not a FELV+ cat, with a compromised immune system. It's kinda like hanging out in the doctor's office waiting room... you're bound to catch something just by being there long enough. It's very imperative to get him to eat ASAP. Even if you have to force feed him. Many call it assisted feeding, but what it is, is basically making a cat that doesn't want to eat EAT. Usually this is accomplished by using a large syringe and a soupy wet food mixture or a liquid meal replacement supplement. Please take the time to read these included links. They will help you understand why it's important that he eat, and eat ENOUGH, and how to accomplish it: http://www.assistfeed.com/FelineAnorexia.htm http://www.assistfeed.com/FeedingTechniques.htm http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/howto10.html http://maxshouse.com/Feline_Hepatic_Lipidosis.htm http://www.cvm.uiuc.edu/petcolumns/showarticle.cfm?id=330 http://cats.about.com/cs/healthissues/a/fatty_liver.htm http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_hepatic_lipidosis.html (I must caution, this website states 2 weeks, it can happen in as little as 3-4 days in some cats) And a totally sad story that explains the WHYS, which should motivate anyone to just do it, no matter how difficult force feeding is: http://ucat.us/WhenCatsStopEating.html What to feed via syringe posted below... Liquids: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/Prod_Display.cfm?pcatid=14075N=2002+113617 http://www.allivet.com/Rebound-Feline-Liquid-Diet-p/12070.htm https://secure.petag.com/products_details.asp?ItemID=1666CategoryID=2SubCategoryID=13 http://www.southernagriculture.com/southag/product.asp?dept_id=3028pf_id=PABBFKMPKIBH Canned: http://www.hillspet.com/zSkin_2/products/product_details.jsp?JSESSIONID=GuAjzFVwHTxTnHgDaieQz2cRU9C11tl21E4O2Oas4JsKYILFoddD!546891296!167846924!7005!8005PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441760567FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302037389bmUID=1177452579928 (Do be wary of any commercial food these days, due to the recalls) Other options: The liver shake recipe: 1 cup raw liver (chicken is easier to digest than beef) 1 cup fresh carrot juice, tomato juice, or V-8 1/4 cup filtered water 1 raw egg yolk 1 tsp kelp or spirulina Blend all ingredients in blender or food processor until liquid with no chunks left. Your vet should be able to supply oral syringes, if not, here is a link for you to order them online: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3393Ntt=feeding%20syringeNtk=AllNtx=mode+matchallpartialNp=1N=2002Nty=1 Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: kitty not eating (Fred - Belinda)
Wow Belinda, I am SO happy Fred is doing so well! He's had a remarkable recovery after that terrible infection he developed. I'm so glad to hear he's doing so well now! Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: kitty not eating - Please do not attempt to self prescribe meds
At 12:48 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote: I have also had great luck with cyproheptadine and the pil is small and does not have a bad taste so i crush it with a bit of baby food and syringe it that way, but I must also agree with Nina that you ned vet advice. I also do sub q fluids so I can save syringe feeding for nutrition and am sure they are well hydrated, but check with a vet. Kelly I totally agree with Nina on this seek your Vet's opinion and options on this. I have very good luck using Cyproheptadine as well on kitties that weren't not eating. In a message dated 4/24/2007 12:43:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mary, There have been concerns raised with the use of valium for kitties. I've used the appetite stimulant Cyproheptadine made into a transdermal gel to be applied to the inside tip of a cat's ear. It's much less stressful to administer a drug in this way than forcing them to ingest it. I strongly suggest that you speak to your vet about the different options that would be appropriate in helping Cakooie begin eating and for further diagnostic/treatment plans. I would also suggest that you ask your regular vet for a referral to a board certified Internist specialized in the care of cats. While we on the list are well meaning in offering suggestions that might benefit you and your cat, you need to seek the advice of a professional who will be better able to advise you on protocols and medications indicated. Print out our emails and archive suggestions and arm yourself with questions on how to best help your Cakooie. Please make the appointment asap. Nina Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/http://www.petloss.com/ -- See what's free at http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503AOL.com. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.10/774 - Release Date: 4/23/2007 5:26 PM
Re: kitty not eating
At 02:42 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote: Yes my vet told me about it because it is not needed daily, Kelly This is the appetite stimulent Fred is currently getting - Mirtazapine, it is fairly new or at least I've never heard of it, I think my vet said that though. Don't let them taste it, it must be bad, Fred hates it and I have a h*ll of a time giving it to him even though it is tiny, but he foams at the mouth if I don't get it back far enough so it must be really gross. I even wrapped it in butter and he still tried to spit it out and foamed, thank god its only every 3 days. What I love about it though is he only gets it every 3 days and it works very well, he is slowly gaining back his weight. He was at 8lbs 4oz on about the 11th of April when we started it and was 9lbs 9.5oz yesterday when I weighed him, I'm weighting him daily for the vet and he has gained every single day. **Just weighed him, he is 9lbs 11.5oz now!! She wanted me to give him a quarter pill every 3 days but after reading up on it and seeing the starting dose was 1/8 to 1/4 of course I started him on the 1/8 every 3 days and that is enough for him. His appetite is definitely much better. If it continues and he is fairly good about his heart meds now and if his blood work is OK he won't need the feeding tube after all. He is eating what I cook, still in the process of switching the others but Fred thankfully prefers my cooking to the commercial food. We have an appointment tomorrow for bloodwork so I'm really excited to see where we are there. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.comhttp://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.comhttp://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/clshttp://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.comhttp://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.comhttp://bmk.bemikitties.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.10/774 - Release Date: 4/23/2007 5:26 PM
