Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!
No, she doesn't get it. I can't give her any supplements that alter the ph of her urine right now. She had a struvite stone before, and then, maybe from making it too acidic, she got an ammonia urate stone, which is pretty rare, and we are trying to manage her ph now that the stone was removed. Michelle In a message dated 10/29/2005 9:18:34 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: are you giving her vitamin c? you know that that can cause diarrhea. in her present state, if you are giving it to her you might need to cut back? just at thought. t
Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!
are you giving her vitamin c? you know that that can cause diarrhea. in her present state, if you are giving it to her you might need to cut back? just at thought. t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She has had bad diarrhea. And she seem to be losing weight. Though in good spirits and eating and drinking. She got diarrhea before the surgery, maybe from changing foods too quickly, or from being on Baytril for a month, or both. I am giving her probiotics. I am picking up meds soon, probably Metronidazole I would guess. Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 10/25/2005 9:04:31 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good to hear surgery went well! Keep us posted on how she feels.t
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No, she's acting pretty normal now. Her eyes are still dilated, but hopefully they will go back to normal soon. She can see fine. She's eating, drinking, and wants to know what the big deal is when she tries to jump up on things and I grab her and lift her. If you ask her, she's just fine. Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 10/25/2005 12:57:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's going on with Lucy? Is she still acting weird?
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Yes, she did have a pain killer shot. Maybe that was it. She got atropine, which is what they said dilated her eyes-- is that the pain killer or something else? Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 10/24/2005 10:15:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did they administer any kind of pain killer? Our Pips had a slightly similar reaction after his "pain killer" injection...dilated pupils, and just generally rolling around obsessively...I could tell the pain killer was "good stuff"... :)
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Hi Michelle- When I took two of my cats to be spayed about nine years ago, I took them to a lot cost clinic. One of the reasons it was low cost is because they don't keep the animals overnight after their surgery. I took them home and they were wide-eyed, pupils dilated, and walking around the room looking pretty crazy. It scared me to death. I am sure it was from the anesthesia. But in a few hours, they were ok, so your baby should be fine. Don't worry. Probably by the time you read this, they'll be back to normal! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lucy had her surgery at about 12:30 today and came home at 2. Since that time (4 hours now), she has been wandering around in the room I have her shut in, staring eagerly at the walls and behind the furniture in a hyper-alert state, as if the walls were teeming with mice. She will let me pet her for a second or two but then resumes her wall hunting. I called the vet a few hours ago and they said the anesthesia is probably making her delirious, and that it could last a few hours. I just tried calling them again but they are closed for the night. Her eyes are also very dilated. Has anyone ever seen this kind of reaction to anesthesia? I have seen many animals undergo surgery and have never witnessed something like this. She does not seem to be in distress particularly... if her eyes were not dilated and she had not just had surgery, and if the other cats were not ignoring her behavior, I might think she was eagerly listening to mice or something. But she seems totally insane. Any info you can provide on this would be helpful. I will do some internet research too. They had said she could drink at 4 and then eat, but I have been afraid to feed her while she looks so strange. Thanks, Michelle __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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Thanks. They used ISO gas. I think it might have been the painkiller shot. Michelle In a message dated 10/24/2005 10:15:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle – did you find out what they used as anesthesia? They must have not used ISO gas. They might have used kedamin or the other kind (now can’t remember the name!) – they are injectable and will cause the very symptoms you described, if especially if they overdose it (it’s very sensitive to the weight and can’t over dose it) … it happened to my feral, Oliver. and his head were shaking and couldn’t’ t get up for almost 24 hours and it was not normal. My vet freaked out, too.. keep an close an eye on her.. it should go away.. but obviously, if it does not, over night – you need to call them right away tomorrow – Just as a tip, when they do a surgery in the future, make sure to use “ISO” which considered to be least risk of all, and ask them to never use indictable (whether it’s anesthesia or any pain killer medication) - please keep us posted with her progress.
Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!
I've heard of atropine, but wasn't sure what it was for...did a quick Google check, but couldn't quite deciper the medical-speak! :) Sounds like it's a kind of pain killer, though...and I found this tid- bit kinda interesting: Atropine extracts from the Egyptian henbane were used by Cleopatra in the last century B.C. to dilate her pupils, in the hope that she would appear more alluring. In the Renaissance, women used the juice of the berries of Atropa belladonna to enlarge the pupils of their eyes, for cosmetic reasons; 'belladonna' is Italian for 'beautiful lady'. But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:17 am Subject: Re: anesthesia question Yes, she did have a pain killer shot. Maybe that was it. She got atropine, which is what they said dilated her eyes-- is that the pain killer or something else? Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 10/24/2005 10:15:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did they administer any kind of pain killer? Our Pips had a slightly similar reaction after his pain killer injection...dilated pupils, and just generally rolling around obsessively...I could tell the pain killer was good stuff... :)
Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!
Very interesting! Well, that explains her eyes dilating! Michelle In a message dated 10/25/2005 9:39:51 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've heard of atropine, but wasn't sure what it was for...did a quick Google check, but couldn't quite deciper the "medical-speak!" :) Sounds like it's a kind of pain killer, though...and I found this tid-bit kinda interesting:"Atropine extracts from the Egyptian henbane were used by Cleopatra in the last century B.C. to dilate her pupils, in the hope that she would appear more alluring. In the Renaissance, women used the juice of the berries of Atropa belladonna to enlarge the pupils of their eyes, for cosmetic reasons; 'belladonna' is Italian for 'beautiful lady'."
RE: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!
How is Lucy today? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history! Very interesting! Well, that explains her eyes dilating! Michelle In a message dated 10/25/2005 9:39:51 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've heard of atropine, but wasn't sure what it was for...did a quick Google check, but couldn't quite deciper the medical-speak! :) Sounds like it's a kind of pain killer, though...and I found this tid- bit kinda interesting: Atropine extracts from the Egyptian henbane were used by Cleopatra in the last century B.C. to dilate her pupils, in the hope that she would appear more alluring. In the Renaissance, women used the juice of the berries of Atropa belladonna to enlarge the pupils of their eyes, for cosmetic reasons; 'belladonna' is Italian for 'beautiful lady'.
Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!
Pretty normal, except for her eyes still being dilated. She is sleeping a lot now. Which is understandable, since she had major surgery yesterday and then hardly slept afterwards or during the night due to her obsession with the invisible wall mice (amusingly, at one point I actually heard a real mouse in the wall, but she did not seem to notice that). I have her locked in my office with me as I work (I work from home) and she is sacked out on a cat bed next to a portable heater. Thanks for asking, Michelle In a message dated 10/25/2005 10:54:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is Lucy today?
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Does she see have fever by any chance, do you know? What was the surgery about? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:14 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history! Pretty normal, except for her eyes still being dilated. She is sleeping a lot now. Which is understandable, since she had major surgery yesterday and then hardly slept afterwards or during the night due to her obsession with the invisible wall mice (amusingly, at one point I actually heard a real mouse in the wall, but she did not seem to notice that). I have her locked in my office with me as I work (I work from home) and she is sacked out on a cat bed next to a portable heater. Thanks for asking, Michelle In a message dated 10/25/2005 10:54:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is Lucy today?
Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!
I have not taken her temp, and she does not feel overly warm. She is eating and drinking well. She has diarrhea though. The surgery was to remove a very large bladder stone which did not dissolve from the S/D diet and so is probably oxylate ( they are having it analyzed to tell for sure). She had a struvite stone before which did dissolve, and then I think the food I put her on to prevent another struvite stone may have caused the oxylate stone. I am going to try to keep her on Royal Canin S/O now, which is the only food that is supposed to prevent both types of stones. In a message dated 10/25/2005 11:19:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does she see have fever by any chance, do you know? What was the surgery about?
RE: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!
Wow.. it does sounds like a major surgery I am so glad to hear that Lucy is drinking and eating! Keep us posted with her progress. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history! I have not taken her temp, and she does not feel overly warm. She is eating and drinking well. She has diarrhea though. The surgery was to remove a very large bladder stone which did not dissolve from the S/D diet and so is probably oxylate ( they are having it analyzed to tell for sure). She had a struvite stone before which did dissolve, and then I think the food I put her on to prevent another struvite stone may have caused the oxylate stone. I am going to try to keep her on Royal Canin S/O now, which is the only food that is supposed to prevent both types of stones. In a message dated 10/25/2005 11:19:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does she see have fever by any chance, do you know? What was the surgery about?
Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!
atropine dries the mouth and other secretions. I'm really not sure about the painkiller part--bet against it though. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history! I've heard of atropine, but wasn't sure what it was for...did a quick Google check, but couldn't quite deciper the medical-speak! :) Sounds like it's a kind of pain killer, though...and I found this tid- bit kinda interesting: Atropine extracts from the Egyptian henbane were used by Cleopatra in the last century B.C. to dilate her pupils, in the hope that she would appear more alluring. In the Renaissance, women used the juice of the berries of Atropa belladonna to enlarge the pupils of their eyes, for cosmetic reasons; 'belladonna' is Italian for 'beautiful lady'. But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:17 am Subject: Re: anesthesia question Yes, she did have a pain killer shot. Maybe that was it. She got atropine, which is what they said dilated her eyes-- is that the pain killer or something else? Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 10/24/2005 10:15:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did they administer any kind of pain killer? Our Pips had a slightly similar reaction after his pain killer injection...dilated pupils, and just generally rolling around obsessively...I could tell the pain killer was good stuff... :)
Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!
Good to hear surgery went well! Keep us posted on how she feels. t --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty normal, except for her eyes still being dilated. She is sleeping a lot now. Which is understandable, since she had major surgery yesterday and then hardly slept afterwards or during the night due to her obsession with the invisible wall mice (amusingly, at one point I actually heard a real mouse in the wall, but she did not seem to notice that). I have her locked in my office with me as I work (I work from home) and she is sacked out on a cat bed next to a portable heater. Thanks for asking, Michelle In a message dated 10/25/2005 10:54:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is Lucy today?
anesthesia question
Lucy had her surgery at about 12:30 today and came home at 2. Since that time (4 hours now), she has been wandering around in the room I have her shut in, staring eagerly at the walls and behind the furniture in a hyper-alert state, as if the walls were teeming with mice. She will let me pet her for a second or two but then resumes her wall hunting. I called the vet a few hours ago and they said the anesthesia is probably making her delirious, and that it could last a few hours. I just tried calling them again but they are closed for the night. Her eyes are also very dilated. Has anyone ever seen this kind of reaction to anesthesia? I have seen many animals undergo surgery and have never witnessed something like this. She does not seem to be in distress particularly... if her eyes were not dilated and she had not just had surgery, and if the other cats were not ignoring her behavior, I might think she was eagerly listening to mice or something. But she seems totally insane. Any info you can provide on this would be helpful. I will do some internet research too. They had said she could drink at 4 and then eat, but I have been afraid to feed her while she looks so strange. Thanks, Michelle
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Did they administer any kind of pain killer? Our Pips had a slightly similar reaction after his pain killer injection...dilated pupils, and just generally rolling around obsessively...I could tell the pain killer was good stuff... :) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 24, 2005 5:13 pm Subject: anesthesia question Lucy had her surgery at about 12:30 today and came home at 2. Since that time (4 hours now), she has been wandering around in the room I have her shut in, staring eagerly at the walls and behind the furniture in a hyper- alert state, as if the walls were teeming with mice. She will let me pet her for a second or two but then resumes her wall hunting. I called the vet a few hours ago and they said the anesthesia is probably making her delirious, and that it could last a few hours. I just tried calling them again but they are closed for the night. Her eyes are also very dilated. Has anyone ever seen this kind of reaction to anesthesia? I have seen many animals undergo surgery and have never witnessed something like this. She does not seem to be in distress particularly... if her eyes were not dilated and she had not just had surgery, and if the other cats were not ignoring her behavior, I might think she was eagerly listening to mice or something. But she seems totally insane. Any info you can provide on this would be helpful. I will do some internet research too. They had said she could drink at 4 and then eat, but I have been afraid to feed her while she looks so strange. Thanks, Michelle
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I would allow her water and maybe a very small amount of food and just keep an eye on her - it's probably just the drugs - Smoky and Bandit were a bit odd when I brought them home after their snipping. Fortunately, they slept it off for the most part. I don't remember how old Lucy is, but you know that sometimes a drug will have an opposite side effect in the elderly or the very young from what there is in an average adult. And sometimes age isn't even a factor, it's simply how different people's systems handle the drug. Keep us posted.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lucy had her surgery at about 12:30 today and came home at 2. Since that time (4 hours now), she has been wandering around in the room I have her shut in, staring eagerly at the walls and behind the furniture in a hyper-alert state, as if the walls were teeming with mice. She will let me pet her for a second or two but then resumes her wall hunting. I called the vet a few hours ago and they said the anesthesia is probably making her delirious, and that it could last a few hours. I just tried calling them again but they are closed for the night. Her eyes are also very dilated. Has anyone ever seen this kind of reaction to anesthesia? I have seen many animals undergo surgery and have never witnessed something like this. She does not seem to be in distress particularly... if her eyes were not dilated and she had not just had surgery, and if the other cats were not ignoring her behavior, I might think she was eagerly listening to mice or something. But she seems totally insane. Any info you can provide on this would be helpful. I will do some internet research too. They had said she could drink at 4 and then eat, but I have been afraid to feed her while she looks so strange. Thanks, MichelleBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
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Michelle did you find out what they used as anesthesia? They must have not used ISO gas. They might have used kedamin or the other kind (now cant remember the name!) they are injectable and will cause the very symptoms you described, if especially if they overdose it (its very sensitive to the weight and cant over dose it) it happened to my feral, Oliver. and his head were shaking and couldnt t get up for almost 24 hours and it was not normal. My vet freaked out, too.. keep an close an eye on her.. it should go away.. but obviously, if it does not, over night you need to call them right away tomorrow Just as a tip, when they do a surgery in the future, make sure to use ISO which considered to be least risk of all, and ask them to never use indictable (whether its anesthesia or any pain killer medication) - please keep us posted with her progress. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: anesthesia question Lucy had her surgery at about 12:30 today and came home at 2. Since that time (4 hours now), she has been wandering around in the room I have her shut in, staring eagerly at the walls and behind the furniture in a hyper-alert state, as if the walls were teeming with mice. She will let me pet her for a second or two but then resumes her wall hunting. I called the vet a few hours ago and they said the anesthesia is probably making her delirious, and that it could last a few hours. I just tried calling them again but they are closed for the night. Her eyes are also very dilated. Has anyone ever seen this kind of reaction to anesthesia? I have seen many animals undergo surgery and have never witnessed something like this. She does not seem to be in distress particularly... if her eyes were not dilated and she had not just had surgery, and if the other cats were not ignoring her behavior, I might think she was eagerly listening to mice or something. But she seems totally insane. Any info you can provide on this would be helpful. I will do some internet research too. They had said she could drink at 4 and then eat, but I have been afraid to feed her while she looks so strange. Thanks, Michelle
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What's going on with Lucy? Is she still acting weird? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lucy had her surgery at about 12:30 today and came home at 2. Since that time (4 hours now), she has been wandering around in the room I have her shut in, staring eagerly at the walls and behind the furniture in a hyper-alert state, as if the walls were teeming with mice. She will let me pet her for a second or two but then resumes her wall hunting. I called the vet a few hours ago and they said the anesthesia is probably making her delirious, and that it could last a few hours. I just tried calling them again but they are closed for the night. Her eyes are also very dilated. Has anyone ever seen this kind of reaction to anesthesia? I have seen many animals undergo surgery and have never witnessed something like this. She does not seem to be in distress particularly... if her eyes were not dilated and she had not just had surgery, and if the other cats were not ignoring her behavior, I might think she was eagerly listening to mice or something. But she seems totally insane. Any info you can provide on this would be helpful. I will do some internet research too. They had said she could drink at 4 and then eat, but I have been afraid to feed her while she looks so strange. Thanks, Michelle
