Re: life spans of positives
My little Henry Lee, who originally tested a false negative, died before he was two years old. His virus was activated, the vet thought, by the stress of anesthesia when he had a dental. After the virus activated, three other kitties (Katyushka, Phillipe, and Claudette) were infected. They both lived two more years; Their health was pretty good the first year after testing positive which gave me hope, but they began to decline during the second year. A third kitty, my fat little tabby Claudette, through off the virus and tested negative a month or so after testing positive. She was three years old at the time. Katyushka was a beautiful pale gold Angora who passed at 16 years and Phillipe, Claudette's brother, passed at age five. I was told that most kitties live two years after being infected. Bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2005 7:59 am Subject: life spans of positives If it is not too hard, could people let me know the ages of their positives now, and the ages of positives who have passed? I keep being told that I was being unrealistic in my hope that Simon, and my others, would live longer than they did. I had heard of positives living as long as 14. My Jo died at age 3, Buddy at age 18 months, and Simon was around 4. My largest grief right now is about his suffering and what he went through, but I am also so grief-stricken at how short his life was. And it was short, very short, at 4 years old, when cats can live to 20. But I also feel like it was short for a positive, like I should have been able to help him live longer than that. I am trying to assess my expectations of this, regarding my remaining positives as well, and so just want to know what the age spans really are for positives who are well cared-for, so maybe I can be more honest with myself about what truly can be expected. Thanks, Michelle
Feline leukemia in Florida Panthers
This is an older message from the VETMED list - I thought some of you might find it interesting. Bonnie Date:Mon, 4 Oct 2004 07:11:03 -0400 From:Stacy Pober [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: Feline leukemia in Florida Panthers FELINE LEUKEMIA, FLORIDA PANTHER - USA (FLORIDA) A ProMED-mail post http://www.promedmail.org ProMED-mail is a program of the International Society for Infectious Diseases http://www.isid.org Date: 2 Oct 2004 From: ProMED-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Source: The News-Press 30 Sep 2004 [edited] http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=/20040930/NEWS01/409300419/1075 Panthers get rare disease Feline leukemia new woe for cats - - Feline leukemia virus is so called because it was 1st isolated in cats with leukemia. The virus damages a cat's immune system, similar to the way HIV affects human health. Besides leukemia (cancer of the white blood cells) the disease causes other cancers, damages the immune system, and causes severe anemia, or low red blood cell counts. 5 endangered Florida panthers have died with a disease that was unknown in the wild cats before state scientists discovered it less than 2 years ago. About half of 21 cats captured since November 2002 have tested positive for contact with the potentially fatal disease feline leukemia. Scientists estimate only 80 to 100 of the cats still exist in the wild, exclusively in southern Florida. Feline leukemia virus damages a cat's immune system, similar to the way HIV affects human health. However, there are big differences between HIV in humans and feline leukemia, which is believed to have spread to wild cats from domestic breeds. For one, there is a vaccine for the disease that appears to be effective, so far. And even if they are not inoculated, about half of panthers that come into contact with the disease appear to be able to overcome it with their own antibodies. Scientists think Florida's panther population eventually would defeat the disease on its own. But given as few as 80 of the big cats with which to gamble, they aren't taking any chances. They hope that by the end of the coming cool season they will have vaccinated about half of the total panther population -- a level of protection that computer modeling predicts will eradicate the disease. We're concerned about it, said Mark Cunningham, the panther veterinarian for the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. We're hitting it as hard as we can to prevent the loss of as few panthers as we can, and we want to prevent it from becoming established in the population. It's something we need to take seriously, that's for sure, Cunningham said from the FWC Wildlife Research Laboratory in Gainesville. Scientists found the disease in November 2002 during routine tests on panthers being tracked by the state. They are convinced the disease didn't come from 8 Texas cougars introduced to strengthen the Florida gene pool. The outbreak may have resulted from a panther eating a domestic cat, and panthers may spread it among each other by fighting, or through breeding contacts. One healthy male panther in its prime is known to have killed an infected male, and died within 3 months. Of panthers with the disease that have died, 2 appear to have been killed by bacterial infections (pneumonia) that took advantage of the panthers' weakened condition. 2 diseased male panthers were killed by other males, and one panther appears to have succumbed to the disease itself. Panther researchers are watching and waiting until cool weather comes, and water from unprecedented hurricanes recedes, before vaccinating more panthers. Chasing the cats with dogs, knocking them out of trees with tranquilizer guns, and putting them through the process of blood and tissue samples and inoculations can kill the animals with kindness. Panthers lose their ability to regulate body temperature when tranquilized, so the catch team carries water and ice for first aid. But they can't risk partially anesthetized panthers temporarily getting away and drowning in the swamp. They prepare to catch the cats with nets and crash bags, a layer of air-filled trash bags sandwiched between tarps laid out under trees that may be as high as 45 feet -- although that process is not without danger. Biologist Mark Lotz once suffered a torn anterior cruciate ligament a blown-out knee when a cold-cocked cat fell from a tree onto his leg. Nineteen-year panther biologist Darrell Land, the panther team leader who works out of the wildlife commission office in Naples, declined to speculate what percentage of the population could die from the newly acquired virus. I don't like crunching numbers like that. It's hard to say what percentage of the population has been affected, Land said. But I'm pleased that a new supply of cats is coming up, and we've not seen the disease move beyond the OK Slough population, he said.
Re: Metronidazole
With a pill popper and good aim - so they can't taste it. I once had to give Metronidazole to a litter of half-grown kittens who were probably born with some intestinal ailment. There was lots of unhappy foaming running around. Bonnie - Original Message - From: ACALA PET ISSUES [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, February 7, 2005 1:19 pm Subject: Metronidazole Does anyone have any good tricks for getting very nasty tasting Metronidazole into a fractious cat twice daily? Thanks, Deanne
Re: Please pray/send energy to Simon
We're praying for your sweet orange boy. Bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, February 4, 2005 10:59 am Subject: Re: Please pray/send energy to Simon He was great yesterday morning, running around being silly and playing, though not eating much. He seemed to plummet right after going to the local vet for a CBC check. I am wondering if the fact that they had trouble getting blood and poked him four times could have caused internal bleeding? Guess that is a stretch. I am freaked out and worried that this is it, though I know not to assume anything at this point. I gave him a dex shot, the first in 3 weeks, and will ask the oncologist to give him a depo shot as well. Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 2/4/05 11:54:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh gosh Michelle, I am praying and hoping he is fine again, how was he yesterday? Cherie
Wellness - is it any good anymore?
I have two large cans of Wellness and I'm afraid to use them after reading some posts here. Last week, I gave a little to my 18 year-old Fu, along with other food - a little bit of A/D, a little of Nutro, and a tad of Fancy Feast (I usually put several kinds on my finicky eaters' dishes) - and he had diarrhea for a couple of days. Fu has been in remission from intestinal cancer for nearly three years. Should I throw out those two new cans of Wellness, feed them to my other kitties, is anyone else still feeding Wellness??? puzzled in Wisconsin, Bonnie
Re: Wellness - is it any good anymore?
Gloria, I guess I should not feed so much A/D then. But Fu is also hyperthyroid so he doesn't keep the weight on at all. He's a skinny old guy. Bonnie - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2005 7:05 am Subject: Re: Wellness - is it any good anymore? Wow, Bonnie, I don't know. I thought Wellness was good. But i'd guess that A/D is might be a little rich and fatty for a sensitive intestine. Gloria I have two large cans of Wellness and I'm afraid to use them after reading some posts here. Last week, I gave a little to my 18 year-old Fu, along with other food - a little bit of A/D, a little of Nutro, and a tad of Fancy Feast (I usually put several kinds on my finicky eaters' dishes) - and he had diarrhea for a couple of days. Fu has been in remission from intestinal cancer for nearly three years. Should I throw out those two new cans of Wellness, feed them to my other kitties, is anyone else still feeding Wellness??? puzzled in Wisconsin, Bonnie
Re: OT: What's you number?
I have seven - I didn't plan to have so many but I adopted a stray who was pregnant although I couldn't tell at the time. Two and half months later there was a litter of kittens in my son's closet. I could never give any away. Unfortunately, my two of my best friends are allergic to cat hair and can't come over. Bonnie
Re: OT:Contest Winner Kitten Trio...it's over!
Terrie, I was trying to look at your kitties again and the pictures won't load. Is this because the contest is over? Bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, January 31, 2005 9:17 am Subject: Re: OT:Contest Winner Kitten Trio...it's over! In a message dated 1/31/2005 6:49:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is wonderful...congrats ;-)) Cherie Thanks! I also had a good weekend adopting out a Collie and a Siamese. Then winning the contest. I think Smokey was watching out for melol Terrie Mohr Check site for available Siameses for adoption! More will be posted soon. http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.orecatay.com/ http://www.awca.net/index.htm http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ http://www.meezer.com/ http://thesiamesestore.com/ http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.html http://ca.siameserescue.org/ http://co.siameserescue.org/ http://va.siameserescue.org/
Re: eye help
Many of the people on this list are very experenced and very helpful and I get great ideas here, BUT - I always run those ideas by my vet first. If my vet is closed, I call and ask the emergency service what they think. I wouldn't give a medication based solely on advice from a non-vet and I think many would agree with me - unless there was absolutely no way to contact a vet. Bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:00 pm Subject: Re: eye help do not use neosporin in the eyes
Re: Smokey is hanging on....sorry so long
Terrie, Has he objected to sub-q's before? Just before My dear little Katyushka passed, I gave her sub-q fluids and she seemed to feel better. Bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, January 24, 2005 3:52 am Subject: Smokey is hanging onsorry so long Hi all, Smokey is still here with us. He is eating very little and drinking. Been giving him whatever he wants. His favorite is cheese he has turned that down. I pulled his skin up and it fell back down so that told me he still has fluids in him. (don't want to subject him to subQing) Basically, what I'm seeing is he is doing alot of sleeping and very weak when he trys to walk which is very little. I've also noticed his eye sockets are getting hollow or that sunken in look. Has a greenish/yellow discharge coming out as well. Someone mentioned on the list recently about giving valium to help a kitty pass to the bridge. What dosage was it and what kind will do it. I'm curious don't think I could do it Smokey isn't in any pain. I wouldn't allow that, if I seen it I would have my Vet help him cross over. I have spent most of my time with him in my computer room that has a bed too, so I can be near him if he needs me. I don't want him to be by himself. I have confined the doorway (baby gate) so the dogs can't come in and if he decides to wander off. There is plenty of food/water/litterbox plus his bed is in here. He still has the company of the other kitties. They are jumping over the barrier to come in. I decided against the open crate. My daughter called me today to check on him as well. Her husband is the one that is in Iraq on his second tour he is part of the MediVac Team on the helicopters. She and my grandbaby are in CO. She was 10 yrs old when we got Smokey...his nickname from her was DokeyThanks for all your kind words, thoughts, prayers, and vibes for Smokey. I just want him to go peacefully :( Sorry for babbling on... Vote for my Rescue Siameses KITTEN TRIO it's a race please continue voting. http://www.pnwanimaladoption.com/contest.html Terrie Mohr Check site for available Siameses for adoption! More will be posted soon. http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.awca.net/index.htm http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ http://www.meezer.com/ http://thesiamesestore.com/ http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.html http://ca.siameserescue.org/ http://co.siameserescue.org/ http://va.siameserescue.org/
Re: I'm losing my Gypsy
Nina, My muted tortie Nina has IBD. She has been taking half a dexamethasone tablet every other day for it, and for asthma, for a couple of years. She was on pred for but became allergic to it. best to you and your Gypsy, Bonnie - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:41 pm Subject: I'm losing my Gypsy Hello Everyone, I'm so distraught about my Gypsy. She's the feral turned house cat that I've written to you about before. She's had Inflammatory Bowel Disease since Aug of '04, and nothing I've tried has helped her. I given her Prozyme, Probiotics, Pred shots, Flagil, Benefiber, I've even started adding Colloidal Silver to her food. She has wasted away to a walking skeleton and hasn't played in months. The problem is compounded by not being able to put her in a carrier and take her to the vet, it's just too stressful for her (and at this point the sedative needed to allow her to be handled, could kill her). Even the house vet that came out wasn't able to examine her. He prescribed Methyprednisone shots (every 2 weeks), along with Metronidazole liquid that she took in her food for about 15 days before she started to refuse it. I've called a highly recommended East/West vet that I hope will be able to give me more ideas. I had tried putting her on a novel protein diet, but she stopped eating. When I began giving her the foods she loves again, she seemed to gain a little weight, but this morning she refused her favorites (salmon and liver). I'm afraid I'm on death watch at this point and it's killing me. One of the most disheartening things about her condition, is that I think I'm responsible. I didn't know the dangers at the time, and I was doing my best to protect her, but I think I inadvertently gave her this condition when I had her vaccinated. She had been vaccinated once, when I first trapped her, and then spent months with my FeLV kittens (before I knew their status). She was negative when I tested her, and I had them give her two more series of shots afterward. The vet (someone I won't use again), mistakenly gave her a total of 3 rabies shots along with all the other vaccines and it was only a month later that she started showing her symptoms. I took a healthy, vibrant kitten off the street, exposed her to FeLV and then gave her IBD with too many vaccines! I can't tell you how miserable I feel. Thank you for letting me vent. I'm so frustrated and heartsick. I don't think I even have the option of helping her cross. How peaceful could it be for her to have a strange person trying to give her a shot? Not to mention, trying to find a vein to put it in. I feel like I'm going to vomit. Nina
Re: RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?
Sometimes covering their eyes with your hand works to get them in the carrier - if you haven't already tried that. Bonnie - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:19 pm Subject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi today? It is virtually impossible for me to get BB in carrier so vet gave me some pills, ?ace? something or other?I give him ½ a pill about 3 yours before put the carrier on the bed where he generally sleeps?I think that becausethe pill makes him a little groggy he curls up inside the carrier falls asleep. The doseage is never enough to knock him out or anything, just sort of mellows him out to get more hands on for things he doesn?t like to do (like the carrier?which of course, he knows means the vet!). Maybe you can ask your vet about it?. I can look up the name doseage if it will help? Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 12:38 PM To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi today? On the basis of your very helpful and specific email Michelle I've made an apptment on Wed morning with the best doctor I've found so far for my ferals. I'm going to take the blood report that the housecall vet faxed and your email with me. I just hope I can get him into the carrier, and without too much stress. (I guess if he is feisty tho, then that's a good sign.) The housecall vet did mention steroids when pressed by me, but she addedthey take 6-8 weeks to kick in? Is that correct? I wish I had a tape of our conversation. So much of it is over my head. It feels like wading thru glue sometimes, just to get a clear picture of what's possible/viable. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:26 AM To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Kerry, how is Levi today? Kerry, First, in terms of the sour cream-- Simon went a few days where that was basically all her ate too, so I would not worry about that. It's very fatty, if it is whole milk sour cream, which is good. The most importantthing short-term, I think, is getting calories into him. In terms of his anemia and how bad he feels... is there any way to get him a diagnosis? Sue on this list said that her cat had anemia from teh FeLV and depomedrol (steroid) shots completely resolved it. The anemia was from her cat killing her own red blood cells, and the depomedrol stoppedthat. If the anemia is from lymphoma, then steroids, or chemo if you are up to it, can also help enormously. Simon's hematocrit was down that low for a while, and still could be though I think he looks pinker now and is definitely more energetic. If it is from hemobartenella (sp?) then antibiotics could completely resolve it. If it has anything to do with his kidneys, Procrit or Epogen could help. There is also the chance, of course, that nothing can be done and it is just degenerative from the FeLV, but it is impossible to know this based on the information you currently have from your vet. If he is feral, then I know that makes any diagnosis or treatmentchallenging, but if it is possible to get more information from your vet or another (did the vet check for hemobartanella? is lymphoma possible? is it possible he is killing his own rbc's?) If it really seems like he is plummeting, and especially if you are considering euthanasia, I would highly recommend you try a steroid shot or two first to see if they help. I would give a dexamethasone shot, which is fast-acting, along with a longer-acting and slower-to-set-in shot of Depomedrol. I think it is the combination of these shots that brought Simon back, at least temporarily, from the Precipice. Take care, Michelle This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intendedsolely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager.This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: I'm losing my Gypsy
Nina, No, Nina still has IBD. She's had it since she was a kitten and is now 12 years old. She also has CRF. I use a pill popper with Nina as she is pretty fractious. Bonnie - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:13 pm Subject: Re: I'm losing my Gypsy Hi Bonnie, Pilling my Gypsy is pretty much out of the question, that's why I was trying the injections. Did your Nina get over her IBD? Nina BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote: Nina, My muted tortie Nina has IBD. She has been taking half a dexamethasone tablet every other day for it, and for asthma, for a couple of years. She was on pred for but became allergic to it. best to you and your Gypsy, Bonnie - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:41 pm Subject: I'm losing my Gypsy Hello Everyone, I'm so distraught about my Gypsy. She's the feral turned house cat that I've written to you about before. She's had Inflammatory Bowel Disease since Aug of '04, and nothing I've tried has helped her. I given her Prozyme, Probiotics, Pred shots, Flagil, Benefiber, I've even started adding Colloidal Silver to her food. She has wasted away to a walking skeleton and hasn't played in months. The problem is compounded by not being able to put her in a carrier and take her to the vet, it's just too stressful for her (and at this point the sedative needed to allow her to be handled, could kill her). Even the house vet that came out wasn't able to examine her. He prescribed Methyprednisone shots (every 2 weeks), along with Metronidazole liquid that she took in her food for about 15 days before she started to refuse it. I've called a highly recommended East/West vet that I hope will be able to give me more ideas. I had tried putting her on a novel protein diet, but she stopped eating. When I began giving her the foods she loves again, she seemed to gain a little weight, but this morning she refused her favorites (salmon and liver). I'm afraid I'm on death watch at this point and it's killing me. One of the most disheartening things about her condition, is that I think I'm responsible. I didn't know the dangers at the time, and I was doing my best to protect her, but I think I inadvertently gave her this condition when I had her vaccinated. She had been vaccinated once, when I first trapped her, and then spent months with my FeLV kittens (before I knew their status). She was negative when I tested her, and I had them give her two more series of shots afterward. The vet (someone I won't use again), mistakenly gave her a total of 3 rabies shots along with all the other vaccines and it was only a month later that she started showing her symptoms. I took a healthy, vibrant kitten off the street, exposed her to FeLV and then gave her IBD with too many vaccines! I can't tell you how miserable I feel. Thank you for letting me vent. I'm so frustrated and heartsick. I don't think I even have the option of helping her cross. How peaceful could it be for her to have a strange person trying to give her a shot? Not to mention, trying to find a vein to put it in. I feel like I'm going to vomit. Nina
Re: Being a worry wort
Some cats a more resistant to infection; when I adopted a stray kitten, who originally was a false negative, he infected three of my other cats when his virus activated. One kitty was extremely timid and never came near the others so she must have gotten it from a water bowl or litter box. One of the kitties who was exposed and became positive, threw off the virus and is now negative. But I did lose the kitten and two others: Katyushka, Phillippe, and little Henry Lee from Mississippi. Still heartbroken, Bonnie in WI - Original Message - From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:11 am Subject: Re: Being a worry wort In addition, these 2 were both kittens when I found them, my positive was evidently born positive, and her best friend whom she groomed and 'mothered' was a kitten. He's still negative. Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tonya, All is well, I am ok with being a worry wart right now, as you said I have conflicting emotions. I would never put Amber down or seperate my cats, after coexisting for so long that would be hard on everyone. I just am tring to be prepared for the worst, and maybe help my negatives. Example, I was playing with Amber with her stick (favorite toy), and she catches it and chews it, well Candy jumped on her head and then put the stick in her mouth...now they shared saliva, should I not play with them together, and if I don't aren't I alienating one or the other. I do not want any hard feelings in my furr family, or one or the other thinking I pay special attention to the other. (Worry Wart) Life goes on the sun will rise tomorrow, it is just what I am thinking now. Cherie catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, I didn't mean to imply you're a worry wart either! When this first happened to me I was just like you. I was frantic, I cried for days worried that I should euthanize my positive, try to find her a home, etc Then I just couldn't do it so I decided to try to find her another home. Then to keep her separated. Well that didn't work. Then I spent tons of money testing my 10 negatives every 3 months for about a year, updating all their shots, even if they weren't due yet. Worrying and worrying. Then She got sick and I spent a fortune taking her to an eye specialist for herpes, and a homeopath for all these supplements, and an internist. And emergency vets. she almost had pneumonia, etc but we pulled her back. Then I started worrying again that because I knew she must be actively 'shedding' the virus, so I spent more money retesting all my negatives again and trying to keep them s! eparated from her, considering euthanizing her, etc... After going through all that, I just decided we're going to quit stressing about this and do the best we can. It's easier for me to say that now because it's taken years for me to get to this point, and no one of my 10 has ever got sick from her or tested positive. As I said, I even brought in a new positive. It's been years and I don't think my negatives are going to go positive now, and if they do, I think it could just as well be because it's been there all along and not showing up on elisa as it could be that they got it from one of my positives. I'm just saying that after dealing this as long as I have, and considering all of the conflicting information, I've just decided what will be, will be. No one is leaving or going to be separated from my group because of their felv status. And if an felv needs a home and I had room, I'd give it to them. This is just based on my experience (and reading all the conflicting reports like! ! you've been asking about.) tonya Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, You're not a worry wort, there is cause to be concerned. What most of the folks on this list have learned, is that it doesn't do any good. This disease is such a nasty chameleon that you just never know what's going to happen. What I've decided to do is to make life as pleasant and stress free as possible for all my animals, do whatever I can to help insure their health, and pray. Being on this list has shown me that sometimes no matter what you do, tragedy still strikes. I have opted to make our day to day (cherish the moment) existence as harmonious as possible, that means everybody has access to everywhere and everybody else. Have I stopped worrying? NO! But, I do try. Thank you for the visual of the cats waiting on queue for the litterbox. After the sad, sad news about Leeloo, our concern over Levi, a! ! nd the roller coaster ride of our sweet Simon, I needed cause for a smile. This list has been invaluable to me as a source of camaraderie and information, but sometimes I feel like I just can't take the heartache anymore. I can't help thinking that we're close to finding an answer, at least a partial answer.
Re: Simon's a-romping in the snow
Michelle, Why does he need this? no expert all, Bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, January 23, 2005 11:14 am Subject: Simon's a-romping in the snow Simon has been eating well, actually eating more cat food than other things, and went out in the snow last night and just now, walking on the paths we shoveled and loving it. Gray took a picture of him wide-eyed and surrounded by high walls of snow (it must be about 2 feet deep here and still coming down!). He came in, washed himself, ate some fancy feast, and is sitting by the wood stove looking pleased as pie. I am so grateful he has this time. He has an appointment to get Adriamycin for the first time on Thursday morning, if his blood work is good enough. Please keep fingers and toes crossed. Michelle
Re: Being a worry wort
Yes, they were adults, all indoor kitties, and no they hadn't been vaccinated. I had quarantined the kitten until he could be tested and was very happy when his ELISA came up negative. My vet said false negatives are rare so in this case the ELISA didn't pick up the virus. I was angry with the vet because she said it wasn't her policy to do two tests, which in the case of a stray kitty adviseable. They kitten was a stray I found in a parking lot. About a year later he had a dental and the vet thought the stress of the anesthesia activated the virus. I had always heard the FELV vaccine was a little dangerous; although they were all vaccinated after little Henry Lee turned positive to no ill effect, even my tiny hypernatremia kitty, Sylvie. Bonnie - Original Message - From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:00 am Subject: Re: Being a worry wort Were the adults that caught the diseases from the kitten adults who were utd on their leukemia vaccines? Again, they could have caught it from the kitten even in that situation. But, also, it could have been that they were 'false negatives'. That's the thing. How do you really know?
Re: My Smokey's time is near....
Terrie, Smokey couldn't be in better hands. He has had a long life and loving home. I'm praying for your boy; he knows how much you love him. Bonnie, with 18 year-old Fu in her lap. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, January 22, 2005 2:23 pm Subject: My Smokey's time is near Hi all, I write this with a heavy heart and trying to keep from crying but it's hard. My eyes are blurry. My 19yr old Smokey (Russian Blue) health is starting to fail I've had him since he was a baby. He was a rescue from Irving, TX. He is negative for FELV. His health has been declining for the past month now. He is starting to not make it to his litterbox now due to being weak. His appetite is decreasing. I have been giving him supplements and whatever he wants to eat at all times. He is still eating and drinking some not enough food. I've tried force feeding him but he will gag almost throw up. He has always been a heavy water drinker so it's not his kidneys been checked out for that prior. His vision also is declining. His eyes are cloudy. He has drop from 23 pounds to 6 pounds now. He is having problems walking and I'm afraid by placing him on the furniture or beds he will break one of his legs. My Vets noted that he would be much happier at home and be stress free. They said that his body is old/tired and wouldn't be able to stand any treatments. My husband and I been talking that we want him to pass on here at home. My husband thinks he won't make it past the weekend. I will be putting him in one of my nice open crates in a bit to confine him but still be in the room with us. By doing so his food/water/litterbox will be right there with him. Let him come out whenever he wants when we are present. It makes it hard when I have other kitties roaming they think it's okay to go into the crate. Smokey doesn't appear to be in pain just weak and tired. He is doing alot of sleeping. His body is just worn out. He has seen alot of kitties come and go positives/negatives. He is the Boss Man as my husband puts it. Now he is stepping down to let the next oldest to take over. I ask for all your thoughts, vibes, and prayers for a safe and quiet passing for my Smokey if this should be his time. Thanks to a wonderful and caring group of people! Vote for my Rescue Siameses KITTEN TRIO it's a race please continue voting. http://www.pnwanimaladoption.com/contest.html Terrie Mohr Check site for available Siameses for adoption! More will be posted soon. http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.awca.net/index.htm http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ http://www.meezer.com/ http://thesiamesestore.com/ http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.html http://ca.siameserescue.org/ http://co.siameserescue.org/ http://va.siameserescue.org/
Re: Ringworm
Ringworm was a factor in a change of administration at our local humane society a few years ago. The old administration had begun putting down kitties with ringworm precisely because it is contagious and so hard to get rid of - but usually NOT life-threatening. New board members opposed to this policy were voted in at a rather contentious annual meeting for which security guards were even hired. The new administration now has a trailer or other building behind the regular building in which cats with ringworm are isolated and treated. Right after that meeting, I looked at the kitties for adoption; I saw one of the security guards looking too. We both found kitties we applied to adopt! Mine was my sweet orange girl Rosalie. There was a BIG sign on her cage that said Litterbox Problems! She has never had any such problems with me; she is just a fastidious girl who likes a clean litterbox. On her surrender papers, her previous owners had checked off that they cleaned her box ONCE a week!! Can you imagine. I didn't mean to write so much; it's below zero outside and I am stalling about making a necessary run to the grocery store :) Bonnie and the naughty nine. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:32 pm Subject: Re: I'm worried abt Levi In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:20:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And regarding ringworm, I've never had to deal with it at my house. HANK GOODNESS!!! But from my understanding it's so contagious that you don't have to come into contact with a cat to expose them.
Re: PCR TEST--Is it accurate?
My Nina had this test for FIP and my vet said it was as reliable as you could get as FIP is so hard to diagnose for sure. It cost $80 and was sent to a lab in Colorado. Nina tested negative and since the test was last spring and she is doing well, we're pretty sure she doesn't have FIP. Bonnie - Original Message - From: Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 13, 2005 6:29 pm Subject: PCR TEST--Is it accurate? Is this test genuinely reliable? From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: FeLV - PCR test Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:30:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc2- f36.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:31:14 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0D5VDE29506for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:31:13 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:31:10 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j0D5VA929387for felvtalk-utils; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:31:10 -0600 Received: from out010.verizon.net (out010pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.133])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0D5Utg29206for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:30:55 - 0600Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([4.35.42.210]) by out010.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for felvtalk@vlists.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:30:42 -0600 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGlCxDARqHRmW6dIJ7E4T7NNazJoppgwBg= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [4.35.42.210] at Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:30:40 -0600 Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.582, required 5,autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.02, BAYES_00 -2.60) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2005 05:31:14.0122 (UTC) FILETIME=[18FDDAA0:01C4F931] Thank you Lisa and Barb, I'll ask my internist about the PCR. I'm not sure I'll test Timmy at this point, but it's nice to know I have an option besides the bone marrow biopsy. Nina Barb Moermond wrote: polymerase chain reaction - it's a way to do a DNA test with a small sample - it replicates the DNA of the sample so they can read it better */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: In a message dated 1/12/2005 5:04:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Lisa. What does PCR stand for? Is that the bone marrow test? Nina no its not the bone marrow test...that is actually a very invasive painful procedure...PCR ...I dont remember what it stands for..but they use a blood sample like they do for teh IFA and the ELISA test...HOWEVER it must be sent to the lab differently..so make sure your vet knows before they draw blood for it what test you want...it looks at the genetic level of the cat..at the genetic level any change anywhere in teh body can be seenand the FeLV virus is a retrovirus..which means it alters teh cats genetic code Lisa and fur-brats Akira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar http://www.geocities.com/anzajaguar Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESS Lance- Mini wire haired dashchund Bow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel cross Bennie Bird-- Vampire cockatiel Anza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :) Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - --- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/virus/*http://promotions.yah oo.com/new_mail/static/protection.html - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.
false negative s/ELISA
I accidentally deleted a post that mentioned false negatives in relation to the ELISA test - could somebody please forward that post to me if you still have it? thanks very much, bonnie
Re: RE: Sharing food
Litter box, food dishes and grooming are the most difficult ways to spread it. My infected cat shared food and drink bowls, litter boxes and groomed the 4 week old kittens obsessively. However, he never bit them nor had sex. Same here, but two of mine became infected and died. I'm sure it was from sharing the ltterboxes and drinking bowls. Bonnie
(fwd) Re: rabbit dental
Marty, You are concerned about your bunnies - I thought you would be glad to know that one shares your name :) BJ - Original Message - From: tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, January 10, 2005 9:02 am Subject: Re: rabbit dental Wow. And I thought having guinea pigs, dogs and cats could get complicated.I think I'll stay away from rabbits! Martin is very lucky to have you! (LOVE the name! Did you know it means FRIEND?) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love that you asked... he is feeling better already he isn't eating yet, but is interested in his syringe feeding and he is not longer hypothermic si I'm thrilled. In regards to rabbit teeth problems... rabbits teeth constantlyt grow throughout their life. so if they're not lined up properly (in other words they need braces :) they grow too much and cut their tongues, gums etc. They can also grow the other way, the roots grow down into the bone or up into the eye socket. This usually only occurs when they already have problems with them overgrowing the up way. their teeth overgrowing can cause hypomotility (they stop eating and because they have such sensitive digestive systems their intestines shut down)abcesses, infection etc. My guy has the works. He has had teeth extracted in the past because they caused an abcess and then rotted, others because they grew up behind his eye, and he needs his other teeth trimmed every 3-6 weeks. This time was particualrly bad because in a matter of 2 weeks since his last trim his teeth grew again and were starting to abcess his cheek. The vet actually cut below his gum to trim them as close t! o the root as possible. Be cause of his age now (4) and all his past problems he does not recover well from anesthesia. He actually had such a chromnic infection that he just came off injectable (pen-G) that he was on every other day for an entire year. Everytime we took him off the infection that was seated in his sinuses, and skull soft tissue would come back. Thank god it finally went away but it I'm told it could come back. Thank god he's more like a ragdoll cat than a rabbit. We see alot of rabbits who only need the occasional tooth trim, he is an extreme case which most vets don't get to see because most owners elect to euthanize. I'll keep you all updated on his progress this weekend, he's pulled through so much I think he;ll do great and hopefully will not need surgery for a while. Ps his name is martin:) - Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! ? Try it today!
Re: Simon is worse again already
I'm still praying for your little one, Michelle. You are probably right about the steriods wearing off and maybe in conjunction with being fed. Your love and concern seems to keep him going. I don't need to tell you to keep telling Simon you love him. Bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, January 8, 2005 1:33 pm Subject: Simon is worse again already He was happy an purring but nibbling less this morning, so I gave him a cipro and syringe fed him 30 cc of A/D. He has been miserable since then, looking nauseous, not moving around all that much, not purring or wanting to be pet, and semi-hiding. I don't know if it was the feeding or just him getting worse or the steroids wearing off. Not sure what to do. I guess I will just wait and see. I am upset with myself for syringing him. He was seeming so purry and content, and he was nibbling a little. Please keep praying for him. Thanks, Michelle
for the caregivers
This was posted on the Feline Chronic Renal Failure list: http://www.specialneedspets.org/caregvrs.htm Bonnie in WI
Re: cat doesn't seem right
It sounds like she might be in pain. Bonnie in WI - Original Message - From: Sue Feldbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, December 27, 2004 0:30 am Subject: cat doesn't seem right Mt 3.5 year old felv+ cat just hasn't been herself the last week or so. She's eating/drinking, going to the bathroom, pink, but lashing out (very tempormental), hiding a lot, not very active. I am very concerned.
Re: Simon update and question about pink puffy eyelids
Michelle, Your love for Simon is giving him strength! God bless you both. Patches could have conjunctivitis or pink eye. I think one of mine had that once. I'd describe her symptoms to the vet and I'll bet s/he's say go ahead with the triple antibiotic ointment. Bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, December 20, 2004 8:17 pm Subject: Simon update and question about pink puffy eyelids I have not written for a while because I have been ragged and anxious. Simon had 3 transfusions over 8 days while starting chemo, and I have been feeling that things are not looking good. Last Wednesday when he got his 3rd transfusion his PCV was down to 11 and it only went up to 12 from the transfusion. But he started progressively acting brighter and eating more, and today at his 3rd oncology appointment I found out his PCV is up to 20 and his billirubin is down to 1.7 (almost normal, whereas it had been up to an astounding 26)!! The oncologist says this clearly indicates that the chemo is clearing the lymphoma from his bone marrow and liver. I am so relieved, though only cautiously optimistic, since this does not guarantee he will go into remission or, if he does, that it will last long. But it is so much better news than I was expecting, and I wanted to share it because I have shared so much bad news and have asked for your prayers and support. Please keep them coming -- I think they have helped! Now that I am temporarily more relaxed about Simon, I have a question about Patches' eyes. The edges of the upper and lower rims have been pink for a couple of weeks and she has had some reddish brown discharge from the corners. I have put her on Lysine and Doxicycline and I think she is somewhat better, but the problem is still there. I have some triple antibiotic eye ointment and have considered putting it in her eyes, but I am hesitant to put anything in her eyes without getting her eyes checked and the substance ok's for use by a vet. What do you think? Have your positive cats had symptoms like this? Her eyes do not seem to bother her, and her behavior and eating are normal (thank god). Thanks, Michelle
Re: Massive Spraying Issue!
Lora, Maybe you could ask Dr. Patricia McConell who's on public radio's Calling All Pets http://www.wpr.org/pets/ She has a PhD in animal behavior and wrote a booklet of litterbox problems called The Fastidious Feline. It costs $5.95 at Amazon.com or at Tricia's website: http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com/books-retail.php (I don't really know her, they call her Tricia on the radio, but my dog took a couple of her courses). Here's the contact info from the web site: Do you have a question about your pet's behavior? Call us anytime, day or night, seven days a week at 800-462-7413. When you call, please leave a message including your name, location, the nature of your question, and both a work and home phone number. BTW - I probably didn't make myself clear but would never suggest putting a kitty outside - I do not believe in outdoor cats - for their own sake and the sake of the birds. But I do have a small screened porch for my brood. It's 36 degrees here in southern Wisconsin tonight - interesting that Indiana should be colder. Fu's own room kind of cuts down on the space for my six other kitties. Do you have some friend or relative who could give Dartagnan a room of his own to try as an experiment? Bonnie - Original Message - From: Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, December 16, 2004 0:52 am Subject: Re: Massive Spraying Issue! Bonnie, As I have already mentioned to Barbara on Tuesday 12-14th and Belinda on Wednesday 12-15th, Dartagnan has been a indoor kitty all of his life and would never survive outside. Besides, it is 20 degrees here in Southern Indiana and I seriously doubt he would make it through the harsh weather elements. The garage is out of the question too as it has been converted a living space according to my insurance policy and it provides additional space for the other kids. Separating Dartagnan to his own room is not an option. With twelve (12) indoor kitties they need access to every room for ample living space. Besides, by closing him off, will close off some of the litter boxes and that only escalates the problem. For now, his is confined to his own Kennel Crate in the living room. Currently, he is separated from all household furnishing by being quarantined to a Kennel Crate. It is a metal large dog style one (1) that is big enough for him and a litter box. I have a sheet draped over the back of it to prevent him from spraying in between the bars and aiming for the walls. At this point in time, he eats, sleeps and potties there. I keep the Kennel as clean as I do the litter boxes, but what a way to live! Literally confined to a box! Lora --- BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any other ideas that I have not yet tried? Well, like Fu, how about Dartagnan having his own room (i.e. solitary confinement)? Fu seems to prefer not having other cats in sight. Bonnie __ Do you Yahoo!? Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com
Re: Prednisone vs dexamethasone for IBD / need advise
Nina, My grey-buff tortie Nina was on Pred for IBD as well as asthma for about ten years. Then she had an allergic reaction to it and was switched to Dex. She gets half a pill every other day. I would try asking some other vets. Here is the email address of Dr. Sandi Sawchuk at the Wisconsin vet school: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It was on the Wisconsin Public Radio website; she's not on the radio anymore but maybe she'll still answer questions. Bonnie in Madsion, WI - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 11:09 am Subject: Prednisone vs dexamethasone for IBD / need advise Hello Everyone, I've posted before about my feral turned house cat Gypsy. We suspect she has Inflammatory Bowel Disease, (fecal tests showed no parasites or Giardia). The only vet that she's seen is not my favorite. He's kind of old school and is pretty annoyed at me for being so involved in her treatment. Because Gypsy can't be pilled, or given shots, I have to have something compounded into a liquid to mix in her food. When I asked my vet which tasted better, Prednisone or Dexamethasone, he thought Dex might. When I called my compound pharmacy, they told me to go with the Pred instead. I guess I should have looked up dosage before I had my vet write the script for Pred, because Dex is recommended at .22 mg/kg/day initially and Pred at 2.2 mg/kg/day. It seems to me that getting a smaller dose of something down her might be easier than the larger dose, even if it tastes worse. I hate having to call the vet back and beg him to change his script. Do you think I should order the Pred and cross my fingers that she'll eat it? The poor little thing has been battling chronic diarrhea for so long, I just want to get her some relief before she dies from malnutrition. Thanks, Nina
Re: Prednisone vs dexamethasone for IBD / need advise
Nina, I use a pill-popper with Nina the kitty. Actually, I did forget to give her her pill for four days just recently (I have a large menagerie with various medical needs as well as being a bit sleep-deprived myself). Nina began to throw up after eating but still wanted to eat. I called the vet who reminded me of Nina's IBD - I was just thinking in terms of her taking Dex for asthma and she hasn't had an asthma attack for a long time. I told told to give her the Dex for three days straight and then go back to every other day. Nina is not throwing up anymore. Bonnie - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 6:06 pm Subject: Re: Prednisone vs dexamethasone for IBD / need advise Thanks Bonnie for the vet's email address. Do you pill your Nina, or do you crush it and add to food? My biggest problem is figuring out a way to treat her without having to handle her. Neat trick! If your cat will eat the Dex, than maybe mine will too. I was hopeful when I read that some cats with IBD can have the Corticosteroids reduced and then discontinued, treating again only for flare ups. Have you tried stopping them with Nina? BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote: Nina, My grey-buff tortie Nina was on Pred for IBD as well as asthma for about ten years. Then she had an allergic reaction to it and was switched to Dex. She gets half a pill every other day. I would try asking some other vets. Here is the email address of Dr. Sandi Sawchuk at the Wisconsin vet school: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It was on the Wisconsin Public Radio website; she's not on the radio anymore but maybe she'll still answer questions. Bonnie in Madsion, WI - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 11:09 am Subject: Prednisone vs dexamethasone for IBD / need advise Hello Everyone, I've posted before about my feral turned house cat Gypsy. We suspect she has Inflammatory Bowel Disease, (fecal tests showed no parasites or Giardia). The only vet that she's seen is not my favorite. He's kind of old school and is pretty annoyed at me for being so involved in her treatment. Because Gypsy can't be pilled, or given shots, I have to have something compounded into a liquid to mix in her food. When I asked my vet which tasted better, Prednisone or Dexamethasone, he thought Dex might. When I called my compound pharmacy, they told me to go with the Pred instead. I guess I should have looked up dosage before I had my vet write the script for Pred, because Dex is recommended at .22 mg/kg/day initially and Pred at 2.2 mg/kg/day. It seems to me that getting a smaller dose of something down her might be easier than the larger dose, even if it tastes worse. I hate having to call the vet back and beg him to change his script. Do you think I should order the Pred and cross my fingers that she'll eat it? The poor little thing has been battling chronic diarrhea for so long, I just want to get her some relief before she dies from malnutrition. Thanks, Nina
Re: Massive Spraying Issue or Fu doesn't spray anymore
I'm sure my son's 18 year-old cat's spraying issue was behavioral. Fu just doesn't like other cats because he was attacked regularly by my son's roomate's cat (an unneutered male) as a kitten. Now Fu stays with me and he has his own room and he doesn't spray anymore. Bonnie
Fu doesn't spray anymore - postscript
Trying be a bit more clear - Fu doesn't come into contact with the other six kitties in the house. He's pretty old and doesn't seem to mind staying in the second floor bedroom where he has a cat tree with a good view by the window. Occasionally, I will let him walk around the house after putting the other kitties out of sight in another room. But I have watch him because if he does catch a strong scent he will start to back up to a wall to spray..then it's back to his bedroom. My computer is in there, so I do spend lots of time in there with the Foozer purring on my lap. Bonnie ---BeginMessage--- I'm sure my son's 18 year-old cat's spraying issue was behavioral. Fu just doesn't like other cats because he was attacked regularly by my son's roomate's cat (an unneutered male) as a kitten. Now Fu stays with me and he has his own room and he doesn't spray anymore. Bonnie ---End Message---
Re: Massive Spraying Issue!
Are there any other ideas that I have not yet tried? Well, like Fu, how about Dartagnan having his own room (i.e. solitary confinement)? Fu seems to prefer not having other cats in sight. Bonnie
Re: Simon
God bless you and Simon, Michelle. I hope you let the regular vets know in no uncertain terms about the emergency staff forgetting his pred and going home without calling you. Simon surely knows how much he is dearly loved. Bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:51 pm Subject: Simon Simon came back home this morning, after being transfused last night, bright eyed and eating ferociously (though the emergency room staff forgot to give him his prednisone, which is part of his chemo, both last night and this morning). He is still eating really well (ate maybe 3-4 cans of fancy feast on his own at my home today, and I think ate before leaving the hospital too), but his energy and affect are already plummeting. When he first got home he went outside for a bit and walked around, but after an hour or two curled up near the heater and has only moved a few times to get down for food. He has his chemo appointment tomorrow and we will see if he is able to get it. I am not sure he has much time. His red blood cell count is dropping so fast from the cancer in his bone marrow. It is so hard to watch someone who was running and playing and being all sorts of naughty two weeks ago just lying there so tired. He's only 3 1/2 years old. I call him my beautiful belly boy because he has a beautiful dark orange striped coat and he used to sit for long periods of time every day washing his belly meticulously. He doesn't do that now, and his belly is shaved from his ultrasound. But it is still the cutest belly around, and I love him so much. Thanks for your thoughts and prayers, Michelle
Re: Please pray/send thoughts for Simon
Dear Michelle, I have been praying for Simon all along. Keep after those people at the hospital until you get some answers. Simon couldn't have a better person in his corner!! Bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, December 11, 2004 8:46 pm Subject: Please pray/send thoughts for Simon Simon is back in the hospital getting another transfusion. His billirubin has fallen more to 3.8 which is great, but his PCV fell to 13 today. He was still eating some on his own (and I was syringing him as well) but his energy level dropped precipitously so i brought him to the local vet for a quick PCV check and it was at 13 (it was 15 when he was discharged on Thursday afternoon and had been 15 since his last transfusion on Tuesday morning-- a few days before that it had been 36, well within normal range). I called the hospital and they said I could bring him in for a second transfusion. That was at 11 a.m. I got there before 12. They had us wait until 3:30 until they would take him. I reminded them he needs syringe feeding. I was told he needed his transfusion first and then would be fed. I called 4 times between 4:30 and 8 pm and kept being told that the vet would call me before she left (she was supposed to leave at 6 and a new vet come in) and I needed to wait to talk to her rather than get update info from a tech. A little after 9 I called again and was told the vet had left and that he had not started his transfusion yet or been fed! At my insistence, they did put a tech on the phone, who said his PCV is now 12-- it dropped again in the 9 hours he has been waiting for the transfusion. And they have not fed him yet. I am furious, frustrated, and very scared. It is fantastic that his billirubin has come down so much, but without nutrition it could go back up. And the fall in his PCV is very frightening. I wanted him to get the transfusion before it fell more, since the first one only raised his PCV by 2 points. He needs to make it to his chemo treatment on Monday and be strong enough to get it, or it is all over. I have asked repeatedly about Epogen and was told by the internist that it would not help him, but no one has told me that he is not producing any rbc's at all, so I am not clear on why. Maybe he isn't. Has anyone had their cat's PCV fall this quickly from lymphoma in the bone marrow and then manage to turn around? If so, how? Please send vigorous prayers and thoughts to Simon-- I think it helped him before. Thanks, Michelle - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, December 11, 2004 8:46 pm Subject: Please pray/send thoughts for Simon Simon is back in the hospital getting another transfusion. His billirubin has fallen more to 3.8 which is great, but his PCV fell to 13 today. He was still eating some on his own (and I was syringing him as well) but his energy level dropped precipitously so i brought him to the local vet for a quick PCV check and it was at 13 (it was 15 when he was discharged on Thursday afternoon and had been 15 since his last transfusion on Tuesday morning-- a few days before that it had been 36, well within normal range). I called the hospital and they said I could bring him in for a second transfusion. That was at 11 a.m. I got there before 12. They had us wait until 3:30 until they would take him. I reminded them he needs syringe feeding. I was told he needed his transfusion first and then would be fed. I called 4 times between 4:30 and 8 pm and kept being told that the vet would call me before she left (she was supposed to leave at 6 and a new vet come in) and I needed to wait to talk to her rather than get update info from a tech. A little after 9 I called again and was told the vet had left and that he had not started his transfusion yet or been fed! At my insistence, they did put a tech on the phone, who said his PCV is now 12-- it dropped again in the 9 hours he has been waiting for the transfusion. And they have not fed him yet. I am furious, frustrated, and very scared. It is fantastic that his billirubin has come down so much, but without nutrition it could go back up. And the fall in his PCV is very frightening. I wanted him to get the transfusion before it fell more, since the first one only raised his PCV by 2 points. He needs to make it to his chemo treatment on Monday and be strong enough to get it, or it is all over. I have asked repeatedly about Epogen and was told by the internist that it would not help him, but no one has told me that he is not producing any rbc's at all, so I am not clear on why. Maybe he isn't. Has anyone had their cat's PCV fall this quickly from lymphoma in the bone marrow and then manage to turn around? If so, how? Please send
Re: RE: Need advice
Missisippi State has a good vet school. Then there the Cornell telephone concult, which is pricey, but available to anyone anywhere. Bonnie ---BeginMessage--- I live in Brandon (jackson metro area), Mississippi.From: "Chris" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Need advice Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:00:34 -0500 Please do not worry about your Englishits fine! Where are you located? Maybe someone here has a good vet in your area .Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martha Alejandra Moreno Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Need adviceHelloExcuse me for my English, my first language is Spanish. I know the way I wrote sometimes is difficultI wrote before regarding my 2 cats: Adri (female 8 months) and Chema (male 7 month). I have follow your advices (food, supplements, care) and I think they have been doing well.I have visited 3 different veterinarians, It is amazing, but seem to me that nobody wants to bother with a FeLV (+) cat. Nobody answer my questions, they give me wrong or contradictory answers (I have been reading a lot about FL in internet). I would like to find a veterinary who answer my questions and see my cats as cats with a life for live. Do you know a Veterinary I can contact top speak about my cats?Adri gets sick again, fever, vomiting, lethargic. Seems to me that she is in pain. I took her to the veterinary (a different one) 2 day ago . He told me that she has pneumonitis and start doxicicline and told me do not read a lot about feline leukemia, because I scare my self!!!Anyway, I am giving Adri the doxiciline. She hates it. She has vomited after I give her the medicine. I do not know I am doing something wrong. Do you have ideas how to give her the medicine?Alejandra _ ¿Cuánto vale tu auto? Tips para mantener tu carro. ¡De todo en MSN Latino Autos! Clic aquí http://g.msn.com/8HMBESUS/2752??PS=47575 Visita MSN Latino Entretenimiento: ¡música, cine, chismes, TV y más...! Haz clic aquí ---End Message---
Re: Need urgent advice re: Simon
I have a kitty in chronic renal failure and upset stomachs are common with this disease. Pepcid A/C, a quarter tablet, is suggested. I would suggest you ask your vet about that. Or maybe some very thinned out A/D given with a syringe. My baby Henry Lee was vomiting toward the end and the vet never suggested any of the above, but now I know she wasn't a good vet. Basically, you need to talk to a vet. Our local emergency vet service will answer questions on the phone - do you have one? Bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, December 5, 2004 12:05 pm Subject: Re: Need urgent advice re: Simon But if he is vomiting how will a feeding tube help? In a message dated 12/5/04 12:41:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If he is yellower he will die with out intervention like a feeding tube that is the ONLY thing that will save a cat in his situation, I'm not being an ass or trying to scare you but he is going to die if you don't get him a feeding tube now. I know what I'm talking about I havebeen through this. God bless Simon and take him gently if nothing is done. That's all I'm going to say.
Re: RE: RE: Need advice
That's right - their website seems outdated - I meant the telephone consulting service where you can talk to an actual vet. Bonnie - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, December 5, 2004 1:07 pm Subject: RE: RE: Need advice I did not find the Cornell site very up to date at all---but the more local vet school might not be a bad idea... Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BONNIE J KALMBACH Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Need advice Missisippi State has a good vet school. Then there the Cornell telephone concult, which is pricey, but available to anyone anywhere. Bonnie
Re: Need urgent advice re: Simon
You are doing good Michelle. But I would question why he needs to be put under for an ultrasound when he is weak. My vet at the Wisconsin vet school, Dr. Bortnowski, never did that for the ultrasounds my kities have had with her except when she did call once and ask if she could mildly sedate my little FIP kitten, Nicky, who was being a little squirmy. Bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, December 5, 2004 1:27 pm Subject: Re: Need urgent advice re: Simon My emergency vet will not answer questions on the phone and is almost an hour away. I spoke to a vet who is a friend's friend, who told me to give him 25 cc fluids and syringe feed him in smaller doses and if he does not vomit to wait until his 9 am aptmt with the oncologist. I did that, plus gave 1/4 Pepcid, and he seems to be holding it down. I am syringe feeding A/d now instead of baby food. I am trying to call her back about the feeding tube idea. The emergency vet will not even say over the phone whether they will ever do anything like that (will not talk to me at all over the phone) and I am a little worried about having one of them do it and then putting him under again tomorrow for the ultrasound. Right now I am thinking of trying to feed him a little by syringe ever 10 minutes or so until midnight, when he has to stop eating for the anesthesia for his ultrasound, and then see if they can do a feeding tube while he is under tomorrow. I am not sure how he could be put under for the feeding tube at this point because he has food in his stomach which he could aspirate In a message dated 12/5/04 2:05:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a kitty in chronic renal failure and upset stomachs are common with this disease. Pepcid A/C, a quarter tablet, is suggested. I would suggest you ask your vet about that. Or maybe some very thinned out A/D given with a syringe. My baby Henry Lee was vomiting toward the end and the vet never suggested any of the above, but now I know she wasn't a good vet. Basically, you need to talk to a vet. Our local emergency vet service will answer questions on the phone - do you have one? Bonnie
Re: Need urgent advice re: Simon/new info-question
If he's resting comfortably, I'd keep him at home where he'll have less stress and can be watched and attended to as needed. That's my 2 cents. best wishes, bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, December 5, 2004 1:59 pm Subject: Re: Need urgent advice re: Simon/new info-question He needs to be put under not because it is an ultrasound but because they are doing a core biopsy of his liver, which not only is painful but for which they need him to be absolutely still or it could be dangerous. He already had an ultrasound without being put under on Friday afternoon, but they could not diagnose without a biopsy because there were no tumors. I finally got an emergency vet to talk to me on the phone because they are next door to the oncologist and I insisted to the receptionist (not entirely truthfully) that the oncologist said I could call them with questions over the weekend. She said I could bring him in for IV fluids and some reglan and new blood work and monitoring until his 9 am appointment, but that she would not insert a feeding tube because 1) he is going to be put under tomorrow morning and can get one then if necessary, 2) he can not eat after midnight tonight anyway, 3) the number of hours between now and then is not significant and 4) she would want him diagnosed first, which will happen at 9 a.m. She said I could also keep him here and feed him a little at a time via syringe and continue sub q fluids for the day/night. I am not sure what to do and am waiting for my partner to get home to decide. I am leaning toward bringing him in, just because I am so unsure. However, he is curled up and purring right now, and I hate to make him spend the night in the hospital if it will not help him, especially if it weakens him before his biopsy tomorrow. What would you do? In a message dated 12/5/04 2:36:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are doing good Michelle. But I would question why he needs to be put under for an ultrasound when he is weak. My vet at the Wisconsin vet school, Dr. Bortnowski, never did that for the ultrasounds my kities have had with her except when she did call once and ask if she could mildly sedate my little FIP kitten, Nicky, who was being a little squirmy. Bonnie
Re: contagiousness of FELV
Two of my cats, one of whom was a healthy three year old, caught FELV from a kitten I had adopted and died within two years. Neither of the cats had been vaccinated against FELV and the kitten tested a false negative, which I've heard is rare. The kitten also died a month after a dental; the vet thought the anesthesia had caused a sort of stress that activated the virus. That was about six years ago when I joined this group. Bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, December 5, 2004 5:41 pm Subject: Re: Request from the Yahoo group, reposting here Has anyone tried telling Jenna that FeLV is NOT that contagious, especially if the other cat in question is a healthy adult cat. There are books and websites, like this one, that could provide her/her father with information to enlighten themselves about the realilty of FeLV. It might also help if Jenna could locate a vet in her area who is FeLV friendly who could provide a professional opinion and support. She should not have to give up her cat and needs to know that. If she would email us directly, I am sure members of this list can provide much info and testimonials, and, hopefully her father is not a total A** and capable of learning and adjusting his perceptions. Sally in San Jose
OT: Fwd: [CRF] Need help for a fellow CRF'er in Forest Hills, Queens- NYC
---BeginMessage--- Hello CRF friends and family. I have an acquaintance that lives in Forest Hills, Queens, NY that is in desperate need of help with administering sub-qs for his beloved cat Pizza. He is disabled, and unemployed since working in the WTC. He is unable to give sub-q's alone due to his disability, and is living on a VERY limited income. He has been bringing his baby into the vets office 3-4X per week for sub-q's, but his finds are running VERY low, as the vet is charging a lot of money for each visit. Can anyone help Mike and Pizza? (or if you know of any techs that could help him at home, at this point he is desperate) Thanks. ~Lynn Hope . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] All messages sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] are Copyright 2004 by the original author. Do not forward or excerpt to another group or nonmember without the author's permission. Any suggestions regarding medical matters are the opinion of the author. It is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to verify all treatment descriptions and advice received with a qualified veterinarian. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---End Message---
Re: Finding Sophie
Some of you may remember when my son's cat Fu got lost three years ago. My son was moving and was afraid Fu got outside. I drove all the way to Minneapolis, four hours away, to help him look. After two or three days, Fu was finally found after my son went back for one final look in his empty apartment and found cat poops in the bath tub. He was never happier to see that sight. He had an idea of where Fu might be: he thought Fu might have gone in the opening where the pipes are under the kitchen sink. He opened a can of smelly cat food and held it up to the opening. Soon he heard a rustling sound and then a dusty little cat head appeared! Bonnie
OT: a little humor
forwarded from the Chronic Reanl Failure list: http://www.stupid.com/stat/CCLF.html Bonnie and kitties: Nina, Fu, Mitou, Claudette, Andre, Sylvie, and Rosalie pups: Luther and Honeyboy
Re: RE: Is this wrong? (Bonnie_
Kathy, Thanks for letting me know. I hope it doesn't backfire - if nothing changes maybe you could still call the humane society and show them the website. Bonnie - Original Message - From: Kathy Koutsis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:27 pm Subject: Re: RE: Is this wrong? (Bonnie_ Bonnie, that is the website that I printed the papers from to put in their mailbox! Good site with lots of info. Thanks! Kathy BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe Dogs Deserve Better can help. They are an organization dedicated to helping dogs chained outside or penned 24/7. Here is their address: http://www.dogsdeservebetter.com/home.html Bonnie ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:19:30 -0500 From: diana rhodes Subject: RE: Is this wrong? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey. I would recommend contacting PETA. All outside animals are required to have shelter to go into out of the weather. My sister works for PETA and they give out dog houses to families who need one. So, Maybe they could help in some kind of way to make the poor dogs life a lil better. Where do u live again? Diana From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is this wrong? Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:42:54 -0800 (PST) don't leave your name on any of the info. Kathy Koutsis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I searched online and found some information about keeping dogs outside all day. I printed it and I'm going to put it in their mailbox. It explains that dogs are used to being part of the pack, not solitary. It's actually 3 pages long - lots of information regarding keeping a dog outside for a long time. I leave work at 4 and have a half hour drive home so I don't know when they let this dog in (or if they even do). I would have to get closer to see if it has food or water, which I will do when I put the information in the mailbox. Perhaps they are just ignorant and once they read the info may change their minds. If not, then I am calling animal control. The weather is getting colder and colder. Poor thing! I work at a school and the dog's yard is right next to the playground where the children play duri! ng recess. It doesn't bark, it seems pretty mild mannered. Sometimes it runs to the edge of the fence when the child! ren! are out. Well, I hope that I can help improve his situation a little. Thanks for your responses. Kathy Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does it have food or water? Is this in a house? Sounds it?s a little too long to leave a dog tied? Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathy Koutsis Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:41 AM To: felvtalk Subject: OT: Is this wrong? This is way off topic, but I know that many of you own dogs and can offer some advice. I don't own a dog and never have so don't have any experience. When I go to work in the morning at 8:15am I can see a dog outside and it is still outside when I leave work at 4:00pm. It is out there every single day. It has a very long leash which is attached to something that looks like a clothesline. It does not have any shelter and no place to hide. It's just out there in the open grass. The weather here is getting colder, it has been about 35-50 degrees farenheit throughout the week. Is this ok? Is this normal? I feel sorry for the dog out there all day! I really don't know if they ever let it in since I leave work at 4. Would you say this is wrong? Or is it warm enough for a dog outside? And if it is wrong, what can I do to help? Thanks, Kathy
Re: RE: Is this wrong?
Maybe Dogs Deserve Better can help. They are an organization dedicated to helping dogs chained outside or penned 24/7. Here is their address: http://www.dogsdeservebetter.com/home.html Bonnie ---BeginMessage--- Hey. I would recommend contacting PETA. All outside animals are required to have shelter to go into out of the weather. My sister works for PETA and they give out dog houses to families who need one. So, Maybe they could help in some kind of way to make the poor dogs life a lil better.Where do u live again? Diana From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is this wrong? Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:42:54 -0800 (PST) don't leave your name on any of the info. Kathy Koutsis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I searched online and found some information about keeping dogs outside all day.I printed it and I'm going to put it in their mailbox.It explains that dogs are used to being part of the pack, not solitary.It's actually 3 pages long - lots of information regarding keeping a dog outside for a long time.I leave work at 4 and have a half hour drive home so I don't know when they let this dog in (or if they even do).I would have to get closer to see if it has food or water, which I will do when I put the information in the mailbox.Perhaps they are just ignorant and once they read the info may change their minds.If not, then I am calling animal control.The weather is getting colder and colder.Poor thing!I work at a school and the dog's yard is right next to the playground where the children play duri! ng recess.It doesn't bark, it seems pretty mild mannered.Sometimes it runs to the edge of the fence when the children! are out. Well, I hope that I can help improve his situation a little.Thanks for your responses. Kathy Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does it have food or water?Is this in a house?Sounds its a little too long to leave a dog tied Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathy Koutsis Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:41 AM To: felvtalk Subject: OT: Is this wrong? This is way off topic, but I know that many of you own dogs and can offer some advice.I don't own a dog and never have so don't have any experience. When I go to work in the morning at 8:15am I can see a dog outside and it is still outside when I leave work at 4:00pm.It is out there every single day.It has a very long leash which is attached to something that looks like a clothesline.It does not have any shelter and no place to hide.It's just out there in the open grass.The weather here is getting colder, it has been about 35-50 degrees farenheit throughout the week.Is this ok?Is this normal?I feel sorry for the dog out there all day!I really don't know if they ever let it in since I leave work at 4.Would you say this is wrong?Or is it warm enough for a dog outside?And if it is wrong, what can I do to help? Thanks, Kathy ---End Message---
Re: update on prayers for agonic
Macarena, My tiny grey kitty with white feet, Sylvie, was born with a number of health issues, including some that seemed neurological. She would fall down when running and couldn't jump on the furniture. Now she can and she's eleven years old. Bonnie - Original Message - From: maca cats [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2004 9:31 pm Subject: update on prayers for agonic my friends, thank you all for your kind thoughts and prayers. I will pass them to Agonic's mom. He was still the same today, that is , swallowing and responding to stimulation, but not walking or moving voluntarily at all. Denise, of course i remember Kelly's story, it was the first thing I told her when she told me about the kitten, and it sure gave her hope, could you possibly send me a recent pidture of kelly to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so i can give her some more hope. thank you all and lots of hugs. i will write again as something occurs. macarena chile
OT: transport for baby kittens needed
If you can help, please reply to Barbra at [EMAIL PROTECTED] IF YOU CAN'T HELP TRANSPORT THEN PLEASE CROSSPOST THIS TO ANYONE YOU KNOW THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP - or any groups you might belong to. We pulled 23 baby kittens this weekend that were slated to die. There will be 5 kitties in TWO CARRIERS from TN to MD. A small car is fine for all legs up to MD. The rest of the kitties get on board in MD. These are all babies and take up very little room. I was able to find great homes for all of them. I have people coming from VT, NH and MA to save these babies. I will rescue them, but I DESPERATELY need your help to get them to safety. From MD to NY we will need big vehicles or maybe 2 regular size cars. PLEASE help us in this mission at a second chance for life. These babies haven't even had an opportunity to begin their lives (at 5-9 weeks old) and are about to be put to sleep. They will NOT have a chance at life without your help. YOU can change their fate! We could really use YOUR help. PLEASE DON'T THINK SOMEONE ELSE WILL DO IT. Contact the coordinator Barbra directly off the list [EMAIL PROTECTED] As always, your help will be so greatly appreciated. All kittens are UTD on shots, traveling with health records and have tested negative for FeLV/FIV. All carriers will be supplied. The kittens will be coming from temporary foster care and going to rescue and onto their approved forever homes. The rescue group is Kitty ResQ http://www.petfinder.org/shelters/NY413.html Please let me know what leg(s) you could drive. Saturday November 6th 04 Leg 1 Bristol, TN to Ft. Chiswell, VAFilled Thanks Kay 148.29 miles (1 hours, 20 minutes) 4:50am to 6:10am Leg 2 Ft. Chiswell, VA to Buchanan, VA Filled **NEEDED** 88.77 miles (1 hour 35 minutes) 6:20am to 7:55am Leg 3 Buchanan, VA to Harrisonburg, VA **NEEDED** 61.15 miles (1 hour, 5 minutes) 8:05am to 9:10am Leg 4 Harrisonburg, VA to Strasburg, VA **NEEDED** 50.00 miles (1 hour, 10 minutes) 9:20am to 10:30am Leg 5 Strasburg, VA to Hagerstown, MD **NEEDED** 63.32 miles (1 hour, 20 minutes) 10:40am to 12:00pm Leg 6 Hagerstown, MD to Harrisburg, PA **NEEDED** 76.48 miles (1 hours, 19 minutes) 12:15pm to 1:35pm Leg 7 Harrisburg, PA to Allentown, PA**NEEDED** 81.06 miles (1 hour 26 minutes) 1:45pm to 3:15pm Leg 8 Allentown, PA to Woodbridge, NJ **NEEDED** 72.86 miles (1 hour 27 minutes) 3:25pm to 4:55pm Leg 9 Woodbridge, NJ to Long Beach, NY **NEEDED** 56.41 miles (1 hour 27 minutes) 5:10pm to 6:40pm Arrive at Kitty ResQ 6:40 PM Long Beach, NY Thanks, Barbra ^..^ You can't change the world by adopting one animal, but you can change the whole world for that one animal.
Re: Fedex shipping cats in confined crates without food or water from Liberty...
I agree with you all. I believe we are defined by how we treat helpless creatures. Bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:24 pm Subject: Re: Fedex shipping cats in confined crates without food or water from Liberty... I agree with you Kerry. We need more people like Sally who are not afraid to speak there mind when it comes to the cruelty we show all animals. The people here in my small farming community think I'm a little odd because of my beliefs. I believe all animals have a spirit and we should treat them with respect and dignity. Bless Sally and bless PETA and everyone that tries to improve the lives of all Gods creatures! Sheila and the Gang.
Re: FW: Need to verify story I just read that Fedex is shipping cats in confi...
Sally, I'm in Madison, Wisconsin, but I think Harlan is nationwide. I once found their website by doing a Google search. Bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:32 pm Subject: Re: FW: Need to verify story I just read that Fedex is shipping cats in confi... Dear Bonnie: Where is the Harlan company located? Sally in San Jose
Re: Fedex shipping cats in confined crates without food or water from Liberty Research in NY to Tokyo to be killed.
One wonders indeed how these cats are shipped - probaby not in the comfy type of cat carriers we take our pets to vet in...then these companies say, well, these are not pets, they are animals bred for research. So how does that make them any different from our pets, whether they are are cats or beagles, other than being poorly socialized and starved for affection? Bonnie - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, October 17, 2004 7:00 am Subject: Re: Fwd: FW: Need to verify story I just read that Fedex is shipping cats in confined crates without food or water from Liberty Researchin NY to Tokyo to be killed. Wonder if they supply cats to foreign labs...and of course how... Gloria I wrote to Liberty Research twice, and have not yet received a reply. I looked at their website - they do indeed supply cats to labs. Locally, we have a lab animal supplier named Harlan, or a subsidiary of Harlan nationwide. They also supply cats for labs. They ran an ad in the help wanted column a while ago advertising for caretaker for their Feline Production Unit. Bonnie From: Michael Hardesty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: Need to verify story I just read that Fedex is shipping cats in confined crates without food or water from Liberty Research in NY to Tokyo to be killed. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply from Fedex, the PETA story might be false, it would not be the first time. -Original Message- From: Sandra Munoz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 8:11 PM To: Michael Hardesty Subject: RE: Need to verify story I just read that Fedex is shipping cats in confined crates without food or water from Liberty Research in NY to Tokyo to be killed. FedEx policy prohibits the shipping of any animal on our regularly scheduled flights and the shipment of any domestic animals such as cats. We have provided charter services for Giant Pandas from China, white polar bears who desparately needed to be transported to various zoos in the U.S. from Puerto Rico (this was a humanitarian effort), horses for the Olympics and, just today, we transported orphaned cougars to the Memphis Zoo. We have reiterated our policy regarding the shipment of domestic animalswith customers and employees to ensure that our policy is adhered to. -Original Message- From: Michael Hardesty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 5:22 PM To: Sandra Munoz Subject: Need to verify story I just read that Fedex is shipping cats in confined crates without food or water from Liberty Research in NY to Tokyo to be killed. I hope this story is not true but if it is true people need to take action against both Liberty Research and Fedex.
Re: Fwd: FW: Need to verify story I just read that Fedex is shipping cats in confined crates without food or water from Liberty Research in NY to Tokyo to be killed.
I wrote to Liberty Research twice, and have not yet received a reply. I looked at their website - they do indeed supply cats to labs. Locally, we have a lab animal supplier named Harlan, or a subsidiary of Harlan nationwide. They also supply cats for labs. They ran an ad in the help wanted column a while ago advertising for caretaker for their Feline Production Unit. Bonnie ---BeginMessage--- Reply from Fedex, the PETA story might be false, it would not be the first time. -Original Message- From: Sandra Munoz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 8:11 PM To: Michael Hardesty Subject: RE: Need to verify story I just read that Fedex is shipping cats in confined crates without food or water from Liberty Research in NY to Tokyo to be killed. FedEx policy prohibits the shipping of any animal on our regularly scheduled flights and the shipment of any domestic animals such as cats. We have provided charter services for Giant Pandas from China, white polar bears who desparately needed to be transported to various zoos in the U.S. from Puerto Rico (this was a humanitarian effort), horses for the Olympics and, just today, we transported orphaned cougars to the Memphis Zoo. We have reiterated our policy regarding the shipment of domestic animals with customers and employees to ensure that our policy is adhered to. -Original Message- From: Michael Hardesty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 5:22 PM To: Sandra Munoz Subject: Need to verify story I just read that Fedex is shipping cats in confined crates without food or water from Liberty Research in NY to Tokyo to be killed. I hope this story is not true but if it is true people need to take action against both Liberty Research and Fedex. ---End Message---
Re: scruffing your cat
I had to chuckle at this one because I have a feisty muted-tortie named Nina. There is a note in her medical records saying Do NOT scruff Nina!! She will not stand for it! Bonnie - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:41 pm Subject: scruffing your cat Practice scruffing one of your calmer cats. Get a gentle handful of skin and fir at the back of the neck and to the shoulder blades with your full fist. You'll probably notice your cat relax when you do that. Keep him on the ground or table while you firmly hold him this way and he won't be able to struggle. It's great for a frightened cat a the vet's office. If you lift them off the ground, they'll go completely limp. You want to make sure that you support the weight of the cat (under his butt) with your other hand, or you could hurt him. Small enough kittens can be scruffed without the support. It's a safety mechanisim to insure that babies don't struggle when their mom's are moving them from place to place. Also, male cats will bite the back of the female's neck while mating. It's not to be matcho, it's a way to get the female to hold still long enough to copulate. Nina Chris wrote: I try it everytime I come back from the vet--but no success--like you, I just can't seem to do it properly and afraid of hurting them Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mackenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 2:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fishing nets to catch feral babies I've never even scruffed a cat--I'm afraid that I won't do it properlyand perhaps hurt them! I have a lot to learn. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fishing nets to catch feral babies I've heard about using the fishing net, a friend of mine uses it on feral babies. After she gets the net over the kitten, she scruffs him through the net. She'll have a carrier placed nearby with the door open and facing the sky. Then all she has to do, is drop the baby in and shut the door. You have to be very quick for this maneuver! Mackenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I agree, it truly is traumatic catching ferals that have to go to the vet. Or even catching them when the vet comes to them. The housecall vet I've used a couple of times ingeniously uses a fishing net to catch them, the kind with a long pole. I got one myself, for keeping Caramelin place when I had to give him sub Qs. (I still have to do the catching by hand---I haven't got the hang of using the net to do it). Kerry This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intendedsolely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager.This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
OT: Cats stuffed in crates and flown to Japan!
CROSS POST ** CROSS POST From: Katie Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/2/04 6:09PM Subject: Please Ask Fed-Ex to stop shipping cats to Laboratories! This one is a real shocker! Here is the link... http://www.peta.org/Automation/AlertItem.asp?id=1135 Ask Federal Express (FedEx) to Stop Shipping Animals to Their Deaths in Laboratories! According to a complainant who contacted PETA, Federal Express (FedEx) recently shipped 32 cats from New York City to Tokyo, Japan, for use in experimentation. The cats (from Liberty Research in Waverly, New York) were reportedly stuffed into 18 crates each measuring 26 inches by 14 inches by 12 inches. In addition, the cats did not appear to have any food or water to sustain them for their long, arduous, and frightening journey to Japan. The cats were first trucked from JFK Airport in New York to Newark Airport in New Jersey. Next, they were flown to Anchorage, Alaska, for a final flight to Japan. What happened or will happen to the cats in the laboratory in Japan no one knows. Please ask Fed- Ex to end its practice of shipping animals to laboratories anywhere in the world: Frederick W. Smith Chair, President, CEO Federal Express Corporation 3610 Hacks Cross Rd. Memphis, TN 38125 901- 369-3600 901- 395-2000 (fax) Liberty Research, Inc. PO Box 107, Rte. 17C Waverly, NY 14892 US Phone: 607-565-8131 Fax: 607-565-7420 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WVA shelter closing - all will be killed unless rescued
Please pass this along far and wide!! PLEASE CROSS POST Forwarded Message: Subj: Marion Co., WV---SHELTER IS CLOSING AND THEY NEED TO FIND RESCUES FOR 90+ ANIMALS Date: 10/11/2004 8:43:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet (Details) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/9/04 5:56PM Subject: [stormydoggie] Marion Co., WV---SHELTER IS CLOSING AND THEY NEED TO FIND RESCUES FOR 90+ ANIMALS Marion County, WV Shelter is closing and needs to place 90+animals in rescues ASAP. This is a rural shelter and all funding has been cut off from the county. They are forced to close in order to regroup. If you have room for one pet, PLEASE do not hesitate to contact the shelter to see what is available. They are desperate right now and will be forced to put the remaining animals down. Hounds, Rots, Sheps, Chows, Beagles, Labs, Collies and lots of CATS!!! Check out their site at http://www.petfinder.org/shelters/WV04.html or contact the shelter or Lisa Fluharty. Marion County Humane Society Rt 1 Box 31A Fairmont WV 26554 Phone: 304.366.5391 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Milo (LeeLoo Loki's brother) has gone to rest
Steve, Milo knew he was very much loved. Bonnie - Original Message - From: Steve Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 4:27 pm Subject: Milo (LeeLoo Loki's brother) has gone to rest Hello all, I am back after attending my Grandfather's funeral in Kansas... only to find out that Milo has passed away. My sister and nieces did syringe feed him for several days, but he was too far gone. My 19 year old niece, Alisha, took Milo for her own and cared for him day and night. After he passed, she called her Mom from work crying; somethingyou would not usually find in her nature to do. My sister and nieces (Lynda, Alisha, Shawna) are very sad to have lost him. Milo, a beautiful, lightly sandy, orange tabby kitten, died at 4 1/2 months old. He was the most laid-back, flexible, loving purr-box of the bunch.You never know when or which FelV+ kitty will go first. He was one of the largest and healthiest of the litter; his URI cleared up before the others and he had great strength. He will be missed. His sister, Abby, is healthy and continues to be lovingly cared for my my sister and nieces. LeeLoo and Loki, with me, are also healthy, happy and living the live of kings and queens. Steve
Re: OT - FW: Gurnee, IL to Mukwonago, WI Leg NEEDED Sun May 23rd
Gloria, Thanks for posting that. They have all of their volunteers now. I offered to drive the last leg (I'm in Madison), not having the needed crates or knowing quite where Mukwanago is, and needing an oil change (where was I gonna get one on a Saturday night?). Then I looked at all of their animals on PetFinder and found one the spitting image of a kiity I lost to FeLV almost five years ago. I told them to keep me in mind if she doesn't find a home - I already have too many - why am I so impulsive? bonnie - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, May 22, 2004 1:14 pm Subject: OT - FW: Gurnee, IL to Mukwonago, WI Leg NEEDED Sun May 23rd Thought I'd send this in case someone could do Gurnee, IL, to Mukwonago, WI - reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Save A Dog [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TRANSPORT HELP NEEDED [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: Gurnee, IL to Mukwonago, WI Leg NEEDED Sunday May 23rd Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 11:58:23 -0500 Please if you can help, pleas email Deana Wehr at [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]net -Original Message- From: deana.wehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 11:22 AM I appologize if this is out of your area but I'm desparate! Please forward to others that you might know that could possibly help~ Only 1 leg needed to get 2 dogs to safety~ This is their last chance, PLEASE HELP! Leg7: Gurnee, IL to Mukwonago, WI... NEEDED 50 miles, 1 hour Start time: 5:00 CST (6:00 EST) Arrive: 6:00 CST (7:00 EST) Due to a severe overcrowding state at our shelter, we are begging for your help in pulling together a last minute transport to save 2-3 medium adult dogs! Please if u can help, email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you Deana Wehr Date: Sunday May 23rd Coming from: Bowling Green Warren Co. Humane Society http://www.bgwchs.petfinder.comwww.bgwchs.petfinder.com Going to: Heavenly Hearts Rescue Lisa Fisher ([EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.hhr.petfinder.com 1. Breed: Shepherd X Age : 1year Name: Linus Spayed/Neutered: YES Current on vaccinations: Yes Good w/ other dogs: Yes Weight: 40 lbs Items provided : Collar, leash, NO crate. Please provide one or car seat harness 2. Breed: Lab X Age : 2years Name: Bliss Spayed/Neutered: YES Current on vaccinations: Yes Good w/ other dogs: Yes Weight 40 lbs Items provided : Collar, leash, NO crate. Please provide one or car seat harness 1 other medium sized dog MAY be added. Shelter Conctact Transport Coordinator: Deana Wehr [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Leg 1: Bowling Green, KY to Elizabethtown, KYFilled by Dawn Long 70 miles, 1 hour, 15 minutes Start Time: 8:00am CT (9:00am ET) Arrive: 9:00 am CT (10:00am ET) Leg 2: Elizabethtown, KY to Louisville, KY..Filled by Sarah44.5 miles, 46 minutes Start time: 9:15 CST (10:15 EST) Arrive: 10:15 CST (11:15 EST) Leg 3: Louisville, KY to Indianapolis, IN ..Filled by Cecilia 114 miles, 2 hours, 10 minutes Start time: 10:15 CST (11:15 EST) Arrive: 12:25 CST (1:25 EST) Leg 4: Indianapolis, IN to Lafayette, IN. .. Filled by Debby 70 miles,1 hours, 10 min Start time: 12:25 CST (1:25 EST) Arrive: 1:35 CST (2:35 EST) Leg 5: Lafayette, IN to Crown Point, IN... Filled by Sherry 70 miles, 1 hour 10 min Start time: 1:40 CST (2:40 EST) Arrive: 2:50 CST (3:50 EST) Leg 6: Crown Point, IN to Gurnee, IL.Filled by Katie 70 miles, 2 hours Start time: 2:50 CST (3:50 EST) Arrive: 5:00 CST (6:00 EST) Leg7: Gurnee, IL to Mukwonago, WI... NEEDED 50 miles, 1 hour Start time: 5:00 CST (6:00 EST) Arrive: 6:00 CST (7:00 EST) Rescue taking Dogs Name: Lisa FisCher email: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 262-363-0557 Cell: 262-470-1276 Shelter Conctact Transport Coordinator: Deana Wehr [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] BGWC Humane Society Adoption Center PO Box 1456 (mailing address) Bowling Green, KY 42102 Phone # 270-783-9404 http://www.bgwchs.petfinder.comwww.bgwchs.petfinder.com AOL Yahoo Instant Messenger: BGWCHS *~*~*~Provide a Home Not a Litter*~*~*~ *~*~*~Spay or Neuter Your Critter*~*~*~
online petition to end cat killing
Date:Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:40:09 +0200 From:Ellen Moshenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: online petition to end cat killing Please sign the online Petition in Favor of Discontinuation of Cat Extermination and of Implementation of a More Humane Solution for Dealing with the Rabies Disease and It's Elimination http://www.cats.org.il/index.php?id=141 Thanks, Ellen Cat Welfare Society of Israel Homepage: www.cats.org.il
Claw clipping ideas
Sometimes I just have to do one or two toes per day. Bonnie
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Harmoni, God bless you and your family for all you did for your little one. He knew how much he was loved. Bonnie
Re: Prayer Request for Lucky
Jo, Prayers are being said for little Lucky. She is lucky to have such a caring mom! Bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 8:27 pm Subject: Prayer Request for Lucky I haven't posted lately as I have been doing research on CRF and joined the CRF list in conjunction with the diagnosis in another kitty. I have been reading all the posts, however, and am joyful for all the victories and mourn all the losses. You might remember our little Lucky, diagnosed FeLV+ early in 2003 after not responding properly to treatment for Haemobartonellosis. She recovered over the following months, with labs reporting her severe anemia had resolved to nearly normal levels, and we were able to cut back her meds to only twice a weekpred Pet Tinic, and interferon (week on/week/off). Two weeks ago I noticed her gums were again pale and got her in to the vets ASAP, and the Haemobart is back...and so is the severe anemia. We put her on daily pred, Pet Tinic and liquid Doxy. Although the Doxy was raspberry flavored, you all probably know how bitter it is, and the profuse mouth foaming that goes with it, and this time she didn't want to eatnever a problem when we went thru this before. By the 3rd day (Monday) she was vomiting up ALL the meds, so we switched to pills. The pills went smoothly, but she's still not eating well and when we went for follow-up Monday she had lost 1/2 lba lot for a 5 lb kitty in just a week. We added Zeniquin to the daily routine, but my biggest concern is her not eating. I've always believed she came thru the last crisis because of her hearty appetite. I keep trying different foods (you all know the routine) and nothing is working. I don't know if she's terrified I'm going to give her that awful med again, or stomach is upset, or she just feels crummy. The vet is off Thurday/Friday (Thanksgiving) but said if she wasn't eating better to bring her in Saturday. We started talking about transfusions again, but that's not really a logical step unless we can resolve the Haemobart. So, dear friends, I'm asking for your prayers and glows to see us thru yet another crisis. Any thoughts or suggestions from the resident experts is always appreciated. Wishing you all a blessed and healthy Thanksgiving.. Hugs, Jo
OT: Fwd: Mass Killing Started In Bridgeport CT Pound
---BeginMessage--- PLEASE CROSS POST Forwarded Message: Mass killing (already started) Bridgeport, CT pound Date: 11/23/2003 5:30:10 PM Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Pet Protectors [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bridgeport shelter, Asylum street, Bridgeport, CT put several dogs down last week and many more are to be euthanized this coming week and the weeks to come. The volunteers who have given so much of their love, time and care to these precious animals were not told anything until after the fact, and several of the dogs euthanized were very sweet and adoptable. THEY ARE ALL DEVASTATED. Whatever help you can be would be greatly appreciated. Also by calling the mayor's office, Chief Chapman's office, asking what is happening and why, and voice your complaint, call ALL the media, such as channel 12, channel 8, news shows, radio news shows, doing flyers, sending out MANY more emails alerting everyone, your friends, other rescue organizations and whoever can help, that is greatly appreciated. There are many more scheduled to be killed this week, Priscilla is a pure rotti, very sweet, and is in danger as are many more. Priscilla has been there for MANY MANY Months. There are many wonderful pit mixes, a pomeranian, a sweet chow, a lab mix, and MANY MANY MORE. PLEASE HELP THEM. There are many dogs AND CATS there, over 30 cats that need help now. PLEASE HELP, WHATEVER YOU CAN DO. PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD NOW. TIME IS ALMOST UP, PLEASE HELP. If you can go in person and rescue a dog, or just help to spread the word, NOW. The website is www.bas.petfinder.com The pound number is (203) 576-7727 and Animal Control Officer Montato's email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] (that is a zero before the @ sign). Many thanks. ___ Chickadee-Alerts mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/chickadee-alerts ---End Message---
Re: Things appear worse for Leroy
Prayers for Leroy from Bonnie and her nine (seven kitties and two pups) - Original Message - From: t.weese [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, October 12, 2003 8:47 pm Subject: Things appear worse for Leroy This afternoon I could tell the oxyglobin effects were wearing off and he was getting more lethargic and not wanting to eat. So back to the ER vet where they did a simple and cheap test to see if his bone marrow was working/producing any RBCs..well, the smear suggested that it was not :( Which, the vet says means that FeLV and NOT the Hemobart is prob. what is causing the anemia and it also means that he will not likely ever again produce his own RBCs and the only way to get any in him is w/transfusions. BUT--of course, when we get there, Leroy is more active and alert and still has plenty of fight in him (the vet and techs all confirm this) so while it looks like the end is likely very near, I don't think tonight is itIdeclined to PTS bec. he does still seem alert, comfortable and strong. We got some AD and he ate that when we got back, not a whole can, but a portion, and I will give him more before bed. SO, had I know this Saturday am when is RBC was 6-7% and his pupils dilated, and he was not very alert or strongI would have PTS, but now, $600+later, it still looks like things are going to end badly and sooner rather than later. Keep Leroy in your thoughts. As long as he has fight in him, I'm going to treat the Hemobart, feed AD and make him comfortable. I suspect when he no longer eats and starts to get listless again, I won't prolong the end. I will do some internet research and check w/my reg. vets, but honestly, I think it is only a matter of days. THanks for all of your help, info, and support/ Tracy
