Re: [Finale] New USB midi keyboard
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chuck Israels writes: Yes, I know. But this is only good if all the values are going to be the same for a while - not usually the case for me. Chuck On Dec 22, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Ken Moore wrote: On WinFin (I expect it is similar on the Mac, but I can't try it) you can use the shift lock in Speedy Entry to select note value first and then pitch (as many pitches as you like, and as fast as I can play; YMMV). I keep my right hand on the computer keyboard and change note lengths as necessary. I don't use Simple Entry; is it any better than this? -- Ken Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://www.mooremusic.org.uk/ I reject emails 100k automatically: warn me beforehand if you want to send one ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] finaleforum.com down?
anyone know if/when the finaleforum.com forums will be back up? Thanks chuckie [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Multiple Page Forward/Page Back leaps
From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, I'd be very interested to know if anyone *does* get the multiple page skip when using cmd-page up and cmd-page down... nope. only with mouse clicks. -- shirling neueweise \/ new music notation specialists mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] scanning typeset scores
I have been using SharpEye with considerable success. SharpEye is produced and sold by Visiv: http://www.visiv.co.uk/ It uses MusicXML as its export medium. MusicXML is available with Finale via the Dolet plugin developed by Recordare: http://www.recordare.com/finale/ Jim Mays -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shirling neueweise Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 9:55 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] scanning typeset scores what is the name of the programme for scanning files to create documents which can be then be opened with finale? i have a set of previously typeset piano pieces to revise for a client and thought of trying out the scanning software to see for myself how well it works. jef -- shirling neueweise \/ new music notation specialists mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] scanning typeset scores
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a word of caution. The scanning and recognition process requires several steps. First you scan, saving the file as a .tif document. Then you run the recognition process. Then you import the file into Finale. I think the Win version of Finale actually supports Twain scanning (ie you can scan from within Finale). Another thing where we Mac users are left out in the cold. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] measure numbers and upbeats
Nonetheless, that upbeat measure should not have it's own number. I don't know what kind of piece you are doing, but musically the correct way to notate this is to have _two_ incomplete measures, ie (in 4/4) a measure with 3 quarters and one with one quarter, and both are in fact the same measure (and get the same measure number). If your source does not give you this option the upbeat measure should still not get it's own number imo. Depending on the circumstances you could consider to start new measure numbers, which would make the upbeat measure 0 (or -1). Johannes d. collins wrote: I know we discussed something similar recently, but what does one when, in the middle of a piece, a new section starts with an upbeat and an incomplete measure? It looks rather strange to have no way of identifying that measure by a number if numbers are only given to complete measures. Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] scanning typeset scores
I am a PC/WinXP/Finale 2005a user. Buried somewhere in the documentation is the comment that not all scanners generate a SmartScan compatible file. This also directs the reader to their scanner documentation for help (UGH!). For years I had given up on using SmartScan because I always got an error message telling me that the source .tif document was unrecognizable. The work around I mentioned came to me in a serendipitous moment this past summer. Guy Hayden, Minister of Music St. Stephen's Episcopal Church 372 Hiden Boulevard Newport News, Virginia 23606 - Original Message - From: Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] scanning typeset scores I think the Win version of Finale actually supports Twain scanning (ie you can scan from within Finale). Another thing where we Mac users are left out in the cold. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New USB midi keyboard
Ken, Simple Entry allows the addition of dynamic markings and articulations with meta tools at the same time as you are entering notes. I am not used to this method and have the usual reluctance to change long standing habits, but the Finale folks who demonstrate the software (I see them yearly at a convention) use Simple Entry with a midi keyboard, and they are very fast with this method. They have adapted to the newer method and claim it is better. they are probably right. The instructions are in chapter 15 of the on line documentation. Chuck On Dec 22, 2004, at 4:01 PM, Ken Moore wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Chuck Israels writes: Yes, I know. But this is only good if all the values are going to be the same for a while - not usually the case for me. Chuck On Dec 22, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Ken Moore wrote: On WinFin (I expect it is similar on the Mac, but I can't try it) you can use the shift lock in Speedy Entry to select note value first and then pitch (as many pitches as you like, and as fast as I can play; YMMV). I keep my right hand on the computer keyboard and change note lengths as necessary. I don't use Simple Entry; is it any better than this? -- Ken Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://www.mooremusic.org.uk/ I reject emails > 100k automatically: warn me beforehand if you want to send one ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] measure selecting tip
This may be old news to many Finale users, but I thought it was a neat way to select measures for editing. I'm working on a score that has over 40 staves. (Most of the time I can't see all of my measures at one time on one page.) I wanted to break all of the barlines in only 1 measure (using a staff style) so that I could put a fermata over the bar line without interference from the barline between many of the staves. The Mass Mover tool lets you select a whole stack of measures simply by double-clicking on a measure. (Quadruple clicking, if you have select partial measures on.) If you switch to the Staff Tool while the measures are now selected, you can apply a staff style. Done! Double-clicking in the Staff Tool doesn't give you the same results--it just opens up an editing dialog for the measures you already have selected. There are many ways to get these same results, but this is the quickest. You can use Mass Mover to select measures and then switch to the Midi Tool, Clef Tool, Stave Tool (and others) to edit. This feature may have been around since Finale 2003, but today was the first time I tried it on a stack of measures and I thought that was cool. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Textblocks on invisable pages
I am extracting parts on a 31 page score. On several pages of the score I have title text blocks, which, due to less pages in the parts, appear nowhere in the parts. I can find the text blocks via the Edit Text command in the in the text menu, but contrary to what I thought it is not possible to edit the frame attributes for those text blocks. Is there any way I can get those text blocks to appear on visable pages? Ie, move a text block which appears on page 25 in the score, to appear on page 5 of the 11 page part? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: scanning typeset scores
dennis, guy, johannes, thanks for the info. of course i neglected to mention i am on mac... does anything like sharpeye exist for mac, or is smartscore my only option? jef -- shirling neueweise \/ new music notation specialists mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] unisons and spacing
Just an esthetic judgment - but I like #1 better. If it looks better, then I think it reads better. Chuck On Dec 23, 2004, at 1:21 PM, d. collins wrote: Here's the situation: two voices on the same staff: one whole note in once voice and four 8th notes in the other, the first of which is a unison with the whole note. I avoided the collision between the two noteheads, of course. But then, should the four 8th notes be equally spaced, or should the first two be closer to compensate for the double notehead? Would be easier with a picture, but: we e e e or we e e e Finale's spacing does the latter, with the first two 8th notes closer then the following ones. What to you think is best? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] duplets to dotted-eighths
Is there an easy way to change a bunch of duplets (two eighths with a 2 over them) in a compound meter (12/8 in this case) into dotted eighths (two dotted eighths with no 2 over them)? Paul Hayden -- Magnolia Music Press http://www.paulhayden.com 6319 Riverbend Blvd. Baton Rouge, LA 70820 Fax (by arrangement) Voice: 225-769-9604 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Grace notes and stems
d. collins / 04.12.22 / 8:58AM wrote: Read says the stems of grace notes are usually drawn up, although publishers are by no means consistent. What is the logic behind this rule? Very interesting thread, Coz I was taught that grace note stem direction is opposite to the target note, i.e., the target is middle C then grace note stem is down. Is this wrong? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] duplets to dotted-eighths
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Paul Hayden wrote: Is there an easy way to change a bunch of duplets (two eighths with a 2 over them) in a compound meter (12/8 in this case) into dotted eighths (two dotted eighths with no 2 over them)? Change your quantization settings to No Tuplets and re-transcribe. The only drawback to this is that it will wipe out note assigned expressions and articulations (and maybe more). I've not found a way around that problem. James Gilbert http://www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] unisons and spacing
On Dec 23, 2004, at 1:21 PM, d. collins wrote: Would be easier with a picture, but: we e e e or we e e e Finale's spacing does the latter, with the first two 8th notes closer then the following ones. Actually, how Finale's spacing does it depends on the layer assignments. If the quarter notes are in layer 1 and the whole note is in layer 2 it will do the former. Basically, Finale will always push the higher-layer-numbered note to the right and calculate beat spacing based on the lower-layer-numbered note. What to you think is best? In your case, I prefer the first choice. More generally, I usually prefer the more active line to have uniform spacing and let the less busy one be pushed aside. More generally still, I will consider any such situtation individually and use my personal esthetic judgment to choose what I consider most readable and most attractive. There are many contextual factors that can make a difference. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Textblocks on invisable pages
I don't think that would work, as the text blocks move on as you add pages, don't they? Johannes Cecil Rigby wrote: Add as many blank pages as you need to see all those text blocks on a page, then you should be able to edit their attributes, setting the correct page numbers for them to show on. They'll move as you edit each one, and then you can delete the blank pages. I highly suggest updating the layout after this process! -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Textblocks on invisable pages
Barbara Touburg wrote: Yes, by attaching them to measures. That won't work, for two reasons: Firstly, I am already past extracting, and since there is no way to get to their attributes dialog, there is no way to attach them to measures. But even doing this prior to extracting won't work: I can only attach them to one part, and I need them in all parts, and there is quite a few parts in this score. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Textblocks on invisable pages
Well, you would have to create a separate score for part extraction and copy and paste the text expressions into all parts that need them. I've done it before and it works ok. On 12/24/2004 12:29 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Barbara Touburg wrote: Yes, by attaching them to measures. That won't work, for two reasons: Firstly, I am already past extracting, and since there is no way to get to their attributes dialog, there is no way to attach them to measures. But even doing this prior to extracting won't work: I can only attach them to one part, and I need them in all parts, and there is quite a few parts in this score. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] duplets to dotted-eighths
At 3:59 PM -0600 12/23/04, Paul Hayden wrote: Is there an easy way to change a bunch of duplets (two eighths with a 2 over them) in a compound meter (12/8 in this case) into dotted eighths (two dotted eighths with no 2 over them)? Others will be able to answer the technical side of your question, but having used the notation you're talking about, I'd STRONGLY recommend keeping the 2 to clarify your intention and make sightreading easier. It is still a duple against triple, even though the 2 is technically not required. John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Drawing lines
Is there a way to draw a line that's not attached to a measure or note, but to a page? I'd like to draw a horizontal line on a title page, but I don't see how to do it. -Lee ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] scanning typeset scores
I think the Win version of Finale actually supports Twain scanning (ie you can scan from within Finale). Another thing where we Mac users are left out in the cold. Not in FinWin2004. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Textblocks on invisable pages
Johannes Gebauer wrote: Firstly, I am already past extracting, and since there is no way to get to their attributes dialog, there is no way to attach them to measures. and the fact that one cannot only access the attributes of a text block except by clicking on the block is an irritation to me, and I have requested several times some means of accessing the attributes of a text block that you can not access by clicking on, perhaps stepping through the text block, the same way one steps through the various subsidiary bits of the lyric space.. Some ideas I may not have time to test for a couple of days: 1) if you add pages by adding them at the end using the menu option in the page layout menu, text blocks assigned to a later page may show up, where they may not if you add the pages by inserting them. 2) if you add pages by selecting speedy entry, placing the cursor on the last measure, and create measures by using the right arrow key, and create enough measures to force the necessary number of pages, you may be able to get the blocks show up on their original page. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale and Mac OS X 10.3.7
Finale 2005A and Mac OS X 10.3.7 = NO PROBLEM:)! Thanks for you feedback folks! Happy Holidays and SAFE and HEALTHY 2005 to you and yours! Arkady web site: http://www.arkady.com Finale 2005a, MOTU - DP 4.5, 828 mkII FireWire, Powerbook 17, 1.33 MHz, 1.5G RAM, 5400 RPM HD, Mac OS 10.3.7 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] MIC NOTATOR
Installed Mac OS Updater 10.3.7 today. Finale 2005a works fine. Decided to give Mic Notator a try. I've have that little Mic that I bought from Coda, and I've used it OK with F2002-2004 Mac. Mic Notator was not perfect, but it worked, although I got the best results with Tenor Sax and Clarinet. Not too good with Alto Sax. I plug that little Mic into iMic USB (round adapter). Now with F2005a and 10.3.7, I've tried Alto Sax, and Mic Notator is PATHETIC!!! Of course I've checked Mic Level, Quantization, Transposition etc. With HyperScribe the pitches come out approximately, and the rhythms NOT EVEN close. I.e. with Metronome Sound through my earphones, coming from the my Powerbook, I can't get simple quarter notes, tongued or legato. Otherwese, Hyperscribe works fine, when I play Midi Keyboard. Ironically, when I tried it with Clarinet and Tenor, with F2004, using Jazz articulation (tonguing), it came out VERY accurately, but not with Alto and F2005a. Curios to know how well Mic Notator is working for you! TIA for your help! Arkady web site: http://www.arkady.com Finale 2005a, MOTU - DP 4.5, 828 mkII FireWire, Powerbook 17, 1.33 MHz, 1.5G RAM, 5400 RPM HD, Mac OS 10.3.7 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
