Re: [Finale] Speedy Entry question.
Taris Whitepaw wrote: I'm using FinWin2k2 and I've just recently got back into using Speedy Entry after many years of not having a MIDI connection. Only one problem still plagues me. Is there any way to input notes an octave higher than played? My keyboard (which a friend has given me) stops two octaves above middle C and I like writing my violins and flutes higher. Is there any way to do this or do I just play an octave lower and transpose up? I have a keyboard controller like this, and as Darcy suggests, there is the capability on the keyboard to define the range of the keys. As far as inputting notes higher than played, here is a work-around that might work: define the staffs in which you are working to transpose by selecting the transpose box in the staff attributes dialog box. Then, in the transposition dialog box, select for the transposition interval, Other, and define the interval as -14 (for a note to sound two octaves higher than notated. Then, when all of the notes are in, turn off the transposition button, and the notes will appear at concert pitch. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speedy Entry question.
I have a very old and simple MIDI keyboard, which doesn't have any way of transposing the keys. For that it would indeed be very helpful if Finale had such a switch built in. However, it is more important to me that Speedy gets a major overhaul, the transposition switch is secondary. Here is what I hope for (more suggestions welcome!): - The ability to access clef changes from within Speedy - The ability to access articulations from within Speedy (like in Simple) - smart handling of enharmonics. Ie, if I enter a d#, then change it to e flat, then enter another one of those, it is likely to be an e flat rather than a d#. All it needs is an adaptive enharmonics map that changes as I change enharmonics while entering. This would be a real time saver. - smart handling of accidentals for non-MIDI entry: in C major if I enter a F#, then the next one should be F#, not natural, until I tell it to be a natural again. The same for ties. - Customizable Speedy keymap: this is long overdue for non-American keyboards. Why does Simple have this and Speedy doesn't? I am pretty sure more power-users use Speedy than Simple. Don't tell me I could use Simple with Midi, I know that, but it's not working well. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speedy Entry question.
Forgot an important one (which has hit me once again just now): - A better solution for triplet/tuplet entry: Having to use the combination Option-3 for every triplet really stops the flow. There must be a better way to do this from the number keypad. Anyone got a suggestion? and here is another one (which is actually a bug, I believe, at least there doesn't seem to be any other reason): - when in capslock mode don't lose the note value everytime the keypad-*,+,-,=,9 are pressed, very annoying! Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Question about compound time
I'm currently working on a piece in 12/8 time (various asymmetric groupings, mind you), and Finale seems to have one annyoying habit that I would like to know if I can break. When I ask it to fill bars with rests, Finale will not use dotted rests. Instead, I wind up with a mess of quarter and eighth rests that I then must manually fix (and with a large orchestral score, it's a lot of fixing). It's a time-consuming nuisance. Is there any way to get Finale to use a dotted quarter rest instead of a quarter and an eighth rest? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Cannot Zap First System With Optimize
Thanks Hal, Brad, dc and others for providing a solution so quickly! I tend to forget that rests are real and now that first system is optimized, thanks to the MM Clear solution for killing the bass solo. I'm still fiddling with the anthemthe solos were written for specific persons in a former choir and now that I'm at another church, at least one reassignment (maybe bass to alto) will probably be necessary, so please expect to hear from me again. ;o) Thurletta Sounds like that bass solo staff has some kind of entry in it. Withthe MM, select all the empty measures and press CLEAR, then tryoptimizing it again. If that doesn't work, send me the file, and I'lltry to fix it. Hal ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Question about compound time
Taris Whitepaw wrote: I'm currently working on a piece in 12/8 time (various asymmetric groupings, mind you), and Finale seems to have one annyoying habit that I would like to know if I can break. When I ask it to fill bars with rests, Finale will not use dotted rests. Instead, I wind up with a mess of quarter and eighth rests that I then must manually fix (and with a large orchestral score, it's a lot of fixing). It's a time-consuming nuisance. Is there any way to get Finale to use a dotted quarter rest instead of a quarter and an eighth rest? There's a setting in Quantization that you can check called Allow Dotted Rests -- try checking that box and then see if the dotted rests appear. Another consideration is how you set up your time signature. If you set it up to be 12 over 8, then it will fill the measure with 8th rests, but easily allow the varied beaming you want. If you set it up to be 4 over dotted-quarter, then you'll more easily get the dotted quarter rests you want, but the 8ths when you enter them will automatically beam in groups of 3. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: orchestra piece
Thanks to all who responded on this. I still haven't made up my mind on the numbers of parts, but at least I have a firmer basis for the decision. I suspect the solution is simply to provide an excess of parts and let the conductor sort it out As for parallels to this unusual piece (Il mio ritratto, 1858), Heldenleben was all that came to my mind, so it seems that this earlier work really was unique for its time. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speedy Entry question.
Lee:: Are these the commands on a PC or Mac? Dean On Aug 9, 2005, at 5:20 PM, Lee Actor wrote: I'm using FinWin2k2 and I've just recently got back into using Speedy Entry after many years of not having a MIDI connection. Only one problem still plagues me. Is there any way to input notes an octave higher than played? My keyboard (which a friend has given me) stops two octaves above middle C and I like writing my violins and flutes higher. Is there any way to do this or do I just play an octave lower and transpose up? Taris ___ No, whatever MIDI note you play is what gets input (even for transposing instruments, BTW). But you can make it really really easy to transpose by octave by defining Mass Edit metatools. Four are available, on the 6, 7, 8, and 9 keys. Select the Mass Edit tool, hold shift + the number key you want to define, and select your transposition. For years I've been using 6 and 7 as up/down octave, and 8 and 9 as up/down octave while retaining original notes. Of course you can define them as any tranpositions you want, but I find these incredibly useful. Lee Actor Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic http://www.leeactor.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Hyperscribe sounds
I've now communicated twice with MM Tech on this (via e mail), and they have not yet come up with an action witch helps. See if any of you have solved the prob. In Hyperscribe, I can not seem to get a metronome sound, or any other sound, anymore, in the clickoff and count mode. Any thoughts? Dean ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hyperscribe sounds
Is your score setup for GPO playback? I think I heard some problems with this and Hyperscribe. I can't help you with this, as I never use Hyperscribe. Johannes Dean M. Estabrook schrieb: I've now communicated twice with MM Tech on this (via e mail), and they have not yet come up with an action witch helps. See if any of you have solved the prob. In Hyperscribe, I can not seem to get a metronome sound, or any other sound, anymore, in the clickoff and count mode. Any thoughts? Dean ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hyperscribe sounds
Yes, this is for GPO ... I too had heard some probs. Dean On Aug 10, 2005, at 9:46 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Is your score setup for GPO playback? I think I heard some problems with this and Hyperscribe. I can't help you with this, as I never use Hyperscribe. Johannes Dean M. Estabrook schrieb: I've now communicated twice with MM Tech on this (via e mail), and they have not yet come up with an action witch helps. See if any of you have solved the prob. In Hyperscribe, I can not seem to get a metronome sound, or any other sound, anymore, in the clickoff and count mode. Any thoughts? Dean ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speedy Entry question.
Wilco .. Thanks, Dean On Aug 10, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Lee Actor wrote: I'm on a PC, but I'm sure it works the same for a Mac. Check your User's Manual. -Lee Lee:: Are these the commands on a PC or Mac? Dean On Aug 9, 2005, at 5:20 PM, Lee Actor wrote: I'm using FinWin2k2 and I've just recently got back into using Speedy Entry after many years of not having a MIDI connection. Only one problem still plagues me. Is there any way to input notes an octave higher than played? My keyboard (which a friend has given me) stops two octaves above middle C and I like writing my violins and flutes higher. Is there any way to do this or do I just play an octave lower and transpose up? Taris ___ No, whatever MIDI note you play is what gets input (even for transposing instruments, BTW). But you can make it really really easy to transpose by octave by defining Mass Edit metatools. Four are available, on the 6, 7, 8, and 9 keys. Select the Mass Edit tool, hold shift + the number key you want to define, and select your transposition. For years I've been using 6 and 7 as up/down octave, and 8 and 9 as up/down octave while retaining original notes. Of course you can define them as any tranpositions you want, but I find these incredibly useful. Lee Actor Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic http://www.leeactor.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Quoting
Colleagues, May put forward a kind reminder for people to quote other emails more selectively? My digest, especially, ends up two or three times as long as it needs to be for all of the unnecessary quoting that goes on. Thanks. Andrew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Quoting
On 10 Aug 2005 at 17:08, Andrew Levin wrote: May put forward a kind reminder for people to quote other emails more selectively? My digest, especially, ends up two or three times as long as it needs to be for all of the unnecessary quoting that goes on. Yes, I would agree. There seems to be a certain laziness that sets in for people who are using email clients that put the reply *above* the quoted text. It seems that those kinds of users tend to completely ignore what is quoted below. While I don't like top posting I don't object to it at all if the quoted material is judiciously trimmed only to that which is necessary to provide context. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Quoting
Andrew, While I'm all for more selective quoting, in this age when virtually all email clients have mail rules or smart mailboxes or mailing list managers or thread managers, I have no idea why you or anyone else subscribes to the digest. What possible advantage does the digest have over creating a Finale list folder and a rule that automatically sends all Finale list email there? I can think of lots of serious disadvantages to the digest -- you get all the list messages much later, meaning when you're asking for help you don't see the responses right away; it's harder to reply to individual messages; you can't sort the list by thread; it's harder to skip or delete messages you're not interested in, etc. But I can't think of a single advantage -- except that it might take you thirty seconds to set up a folder and a sorting rule. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 10 Aug 2005, at 5:08 PM, Andrew Levin wrote: Colleagues, May put forward a kind reminder for people to quote other emails more selectively? My digest, especially, ends up two or three times as long as it needs to be for all of the unnecessary quoting that goes on. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Quoting
On 10 Aug 2005 at 17:24, Darcy James Argue wrote: While I'm all for more selective quoting, in this age when virtually all email clients have mail rules or smart mailboxes or mailing list managers or thread managers, I have no idea why you or anyone else subscribes to the digest. What possible advantage does the digest have over creating a Finale list folder and a rule that automatically sends all Finale list email there? Time management is a good reason. If you're getting 3 or 4 messages a day from the mailing list, it's far fewer interruptions. Likewise, if all your mailing lists are coming in on digest, it means that the chances of your email client notifying you of a new message being something important are higher. Consider: In the last couple of weeks, this list has generated around 75-100 messages a day. if you have new mail notification turned on in your email client (and there are good reasons to do so), that would been 75-100 notices for non-urgent messages. On Digest, that would be only 3 or 4 a day. I don't know if the Digest is threaded by message topic, but that can be helpful, too, since you get the discussion all at once instead of in dribs and drabs. This can improve the quality of one's response. I can think of lots of serious disadvantages to the digest -- you get all the list messages much later, meaning when you're asking for help you don't see the responses right away; it's harder to reply to individual messages; you can't sort the list by thread; it's harder to skip or delete messages you're not interested in, etc. Er, the mailing list software sets the reply to address on list posts to include both the list and the original poster's address. This means that if you post the list, most people reply both to the list and to the original poster. That means that someone on Digest is going to get replies from those people immediately, unless those replying purposely clear the individual's address (as I do when I reply to the list). But I can't think of a single advantage -- except that it might take you thirty seconds to set up a folder and a sorting rule. Is it really up to *you* to choose? I don't subscribe to the digest for this list (though I do for other lists), but I certainly would like to see the quotations trimmed. For one, there seems to be a habit of some people of combining top posting and interleaved replies (without explicitly flagging the post at the top to indicate that there are interleaved replies). If my email client didn't color code the quoted and non-quoted text, I'd often miss those. Particularly annoying to me is this kind of post: This is the beginning of the top post. 1. This is quoted material. This is an interleaved reply to quoted material. 2. This is additional quoted material. - this is the end of the post. This is a case where I wish the poster would delete quoted material #2, since it's not being replied to. And I *hate* when people leave signatures in because it can confuse me about who made the post, if I don't look carefully. So, basically, what I'm saying is that when you don't cut your quotations, it makes your post harder to read, because it requires more work on the part of the reader to figure out which parts are relevant. My rule is: don't include anything irrelevant and then the reader won't have to doing any extra work to figure out what's relevant. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Quoting
On 10 Aug 2005, at 5:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: In the last couple of weeks, this list has generated around 75-100 messages a day. if you have new mail notification turned on in your email client (and there are good reasons to do so), that would been 75-100 notices for non-urgent messages. On Digest, that would be only 3 or 4 a day. I don't know about other mail clients but you Apple Mail only gives you a visual alert (a badge on the Mail icon in the Dock) when you have new messages in your Inbox. If your list mail is shunted to a separate folder, it will give you an (optional) audio alert when the first new message arrives, and then not bother you again until you switch to Mail. So you would not have 75-100 interruptions -- only one (until you switch to Mail), and even then, it would be clear -- without even switching to Mail -- that the new message was from a mailing list and wasn't potentially important private correspondence. I don't know if the Digest is threaded by message topic, It's not. Er, the mailing list software sets the reply to address on list posts to include both the list and the original poster's address. No it doesn't. (It does this when I reply to _you_ for some reason, but not for anybody else on the list.) - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Quoting
I forgot to add, when addressing someone's question, lots of people reply to the replies (not the original), so even if the list was configured to automatically reply-to the individual as well as the list (which it isn't), digest subscribers _still_ wouldn't see many responses to their queries until the next edition of the digest is published. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Quoting
David W. Fenton schrieb: Yes, I would agree. There seems to be a certain laziness that sets in for people who are using email clients that put the reply *above* the quoted text. It seems that those kinds of users tend to completely ignore what is quoted below. While I don't like top posting I don't object to it at all if the quoted material is judiciously trimmed only to that which is necessary to provide context. I just wished Thunderbird would support selective quoting (where you select something in the original message, click Reply, and only that portion is quoted at the beginning of the reply message). Thunderbird is a great email client, but this is a huge step back from Claris Emailer and Outlook Express Mac. Very annoying. If anyone has a solution (and QuickReply isn't a solution, it doesn't work properly for me) let me know. But I agree on Andrew's request. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Quoting
At 05:52 PM 08/10/2005, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 10 Aug 2005, at 5:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Er, the mailing list software sets the reply to address on list posts to include both the list and the original poster's address. No it doesn't. (It does this when I reply to _you_ for some reason, but not for anybody else on the list.) I think what's going on here is that David's email software explicitly sets a Reply-To header in his posts (many email apps don't). There's a setting in Mailman called first_strip_reply_to which will strip out any Reply-To headers before adding the list Reply-To, and I'll bet Henry has this set to No. As a result, Mailman *adds* the list address to the Reply-To instead of replacing David's address. If Henry set this to Yes, all replies would be addressed just to the list. Funny, I had sort of half-noticed that some of my replies were addressed just to the list and some to the list and the poster, but I hadn't thought about it until you mentioned it. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] improved autosave?
David W. Fenton wrote: I'd be interested to know if under OS X you guys were stikll finding RAM disks helpful with pre-2006 Finale. We had a discussion of this a while back and I can't remember what was concluded. I'd have thought that OS X's modern industrial-strength virtual memory management would have made that obsolete, but I seem to remember that some of you were reporting that it still helped (which implies substantial inefficiency somewhere in the OS X disk caching subsystems). I'd think that this move of what used to be in temp files to RAM would finally obsolete the use of RAM disks as a performance enhancer (and make it into a performance drag). There is a RAM Disk application I've been using with Finale 2004/5 under OS X 10.3.9 - and it definitely speeds things up. (I can't remember the name of it at the present time being on a different computer.) It is a hassle having to remember to turn it on before starting Finale, and then check whether the Temp files are being written to it, but it's worth it, especially when using large scores. Matthew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 10/08/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Quoting
On 10 Aug 2005 at 17:58, Darcy James Argue wrote: I forgot to add, when addressing someone's question, lots of people reply to the replies (not the original), so even if the list was configured to automatically reply-to the individual as well as the list (which it isn't), digest subscribers _still_ wouldn't see many responses to their queries until the next edition of the digest is published. Well, that's their choice, now isn't it? Why would you want to make life more difficult for Digest readers by suggesting that no one should bother trimming their quotations? What does it cost you to agree that cutting quotations to the minimum is A Good Thing? Or how can you argue that it is a bad thing just because you personally believe that nobody should be subscribed to the Digest? That would be like me asking MakeMusic to remove the features I don't use in Finale just because I can't see why anyone would need them (e.g., Simple Entry). -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Quoting
On 11 Aug 2005 at 0:06, Johannes Gebauer wrote: David W. Fenton schrieb: Yes, I would agree. There seems to be a certain laziness that sets in for people who are using email clients that put the reply *above* the quoted text. It seems that those kinds of users tend to completely ignore what is quoted below. While I don't like top posting I don't object to it at all if the quoted material is judiciously trimmed only to that which is necessary to provide context. I just wished Thunderbird would support selective quoting (where you select something in the original message, click Reply, and only that portion is quoted at the beginning of the reply message). Thunderbird is a great email client, but this is a huge step back from Claris Emailer and Outlook Express Mac. Very annoying. If anyone has a solution (and QuickReply isn't a solution, it doesn't work properly for me) let me know. You should go to Buzilla and vote for (and comment on) this bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23394 It's been around for a very long time. And you might want to find the QuickReply project's page and report your problems with the add-in directly to those developers. If I used Thunderbird, this would be a real annoynance for me, too. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] improved autosave?
On 11 Aug 2005 at 8:18, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: I'd be interested to know if under OS X you guys were stikll finding RAM disks helpful with pre-2006 Finale. We had a discussion of this a while back and I can't remember what was concluded. I'd have thought that OS X's modern industrial-strength virtual memory management would have made that obsolete, but I seem to remember that some of you were reporting that it still helped (which implies substantial inefficiency somewhere in the OS X disk caching subsystems). I'd think that this move of what used to be in temp files to RAM would finally obsolete the use of RAM disks as a performance enhancer (and make it into a performance drag). There is a RAM Disk application I've been using with Finale 2004/5 under OS X 10.3.9 - and it definitely speeds things up. (I can't remember the name of it at the present time being on a different computer.) It is a hassle having to remember to turn it on before starting Finale, and then check whether the Temp files are being written to it, but it's worth it, especially when using large scores. I take it you don't have Finale 2006? And I wonder if continuing to use a RAM disk with Mac Finale 2006 might be a cause of problems. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Quoting
On 10 Aug 2005, at 6:20 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Why would you want to make life more difficult for Digest readers by suggesting that no one should bother trimming their quotations? Well, I can't think of any reason why I would want to do that, which is why _I never said that._ What does it cost you to agree that cutting quotations to the minimum is A Good Thing? Not much, I guess, since I agreed with that in my very first post on this thread. Go back and look, if you like. I was just curious why anyone would still use the digest -- but that question has nothing to do with quote trimming, which I already endorsed. (Did I mention I already endorsed it?) The Digest obviously works for many people or they wouldn't subscribe to it. That's what we usually call a tautology, David. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Quoting
At 06:17 PM 08/10/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: It does it for any post to the list that has a Reply-To header (as every properly formatted email message should). Well, since I'm in a picky mood tonight g: RFC822 explicitly states that the Reply-To header is optional. ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc822.txtftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc822.txt Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Quoting
On 10/08/05, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I don't like top posting I don't object to it at all if the quoted material is judiciously trimmed only to that which is necessary to provide context. I don't mind top-posting *too* much, but it does remind me of a joke I once picked up on Usenet: A: Because it messes with the order in which people read text. Q: Why is it so annoying? A: Top-posting. Q: What's the most annoying thing on Usenet? And count me in as another vote for judicious quoting. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Life would be so much easier if only (3/2)^12=(2/1)^7. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Quoting
Top posting On 10/08/05, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I don't like top posting I don't object to it at all if the quoted material is judiciously trimmed only to that which is necessary to provide context. I don't mind top-posting *too* much, but it does remind me of a joke I once picked up on Usenet: A: Because it messes with the order in which people read text. Q: Why is it so annoying? A: Top-posting. Q: What's the most annoying thing on Usenet? And count me in as another vote for judicious quoting. Oops...I mean top posting doesn't bother me either though I am often guilty of it... What messes me up is coming up on an interesection and seeing.. HERE STOP Best, Karen ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Quoting
On 10 Aug 2005 at 18:38, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 10 Aug 2005, at 6:20 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: The Digest obviously works for many people or they wouldn't subscribe to it. That's what we usually call a tautology, David. Well, I provided a justification for why one would subscribe to the Digest (wanting to receive fewer messages per day), and a secondary benefit of that reason (fewer new mail notifications). You responded only to the latter, ignoring the major benefit in order to be insular and tell us how great your own email client is. Here is what you're missing: Not everyone reads email or uses there computers the same way you do. For those people who do things differently, there may be benefits to the Digest that you would not find helpful to you personally. As to the supposed tautology, the list that I subscribe to on Digest has 49.5% of its subscribers on Digest. I don't know the percentage on this list, but Digest mode obviously serves the interests of a lot of people, however little it may serve any of yours. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Quoting
On 10 Aug 2005 at 18:46, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 06:17 PM 08/10/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: It does it for any post to the list that has a Reply-To header (as every properly formatted email message should). Well, since I'm in a picky mood tonight g: RFC822 explicitly states that the Reply-To header is optional. ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc822.txtftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org /in-notes/rfc822.txt OK, maybe not required, but certainly recommended. I am in the middle of inputting music right at the moment and not really able to research that. I think the age of SPAM has changed the importance of things like the Reply-To header. I've never used an email client that didn't set it, BTW. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT Reply-To
At 08:04 PM 08/10/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: OK, maybe not required, but certainly recommended. The RFC seems to imply that it should only be used when needed -- that is, when the reply to a message should be directed somewhere other than the sender of the message. Since MUAs are supposed to send replies to the address in the From header if there is no Reply-To, having a Reply-To set to the same value as your From is actually redundant. I've never used an email client that didn't set it, BTW. Eudora doesn't, and that's one of the oldest email clients around. (It does give you a way to add it, but it doesn't do it out of the box.) Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 10 Aug 2005, at 8:03 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: You responded only to the latter, ignoring the major benefit in order to be insular and tell us how great your own email client is. Well, no, actually, but thanks for trying to read my mind all the same. When I described how Apple Mail handles messages, I wasn't trying to brag about how great Apple Mail is compared to everything else. In fact, I had assumed that there would be several PC mail apps that handled new mail notification in a similar manner, since this seems like a reasonably useful way of doing things. Not everyone reads email or uses there computers the same way you do. For those people who do things differently, there may be benefits to the Digest that you would not find helpful to you personally. Yes, and I was asking what those benefits might be, since it was (and is) not at all apparent to me how the benefits of subscribing to the list via the digest outweigh the numerous severe drawbacks. I never expected that this would draw me a tongue-lashing from someone who does not even subscribe to the digest himself. But since this seems to have become a bit of a sore point with you for some reason, I'm more than happy to let the matter drop. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 10 Aug 2005, at 6:17 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 10 Aug 2005 at 17:52, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 10 Aug 2005, at 5:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Er, the mailing list software sets the reply to address on list posts to include both the list and the original poster's address. No it doesn't. (It does this when I reply to _you_ for some reason, but not for anybody else on the list.) It does it for any post to the list that has a Reply-To header (as every properly formatted email message should). In that case, then you are one of maybe three people on the entire Finale list who is sending properly formatted email messages -- at least by your definition. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
