Re: [Finale] Wandering tempo markings
Fred Hoeptner wrote: Hi: On windows Finale 2004, after extracting parts, I need to place the tempo marking (such as quarter note = 50 - 54) at the beginning of the extracted parts. This I can easily do using the expression tool and the Maestro character set. However, the marking will not stay in place. As I work with the score, it continues to jump progressively farther to the left and finally completely off the screen. Of course, I can replace it just before printing using the expression tool, but this is a nuisance. Saving with the tempo marking in its correct position is ineffective; when I reopen the file, it has jumped far to the left. Please, can anyone help? I've never run into this problem. When you enter it as an expression, are you placing it as a note-attached expression, or measure-attached? I wish I had run into this problem so I could offer you concrete suggestions. Try placing the expression in an otherwise blank file and see if it does the same thing. If it stays put, then something is corrupted in the file where it constantly moves around. You might also try the Data-Check option on the file where it moves and see if it finds anything to correct. That might help. Good luck! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Printing bug
An amazing support attitude for a product which, as was stated in that recent newspaper article, was responsible for such a huge jump in corporate profits. Maybe somebody from the main office should jump on the support department and tell them to stop being such fools and to take such reports of problems seriously and make a better effort to resolve the issues, even if it only affects one person on one machine. Either that or Sibelius's quarterly profits are going to skyrocket as we all abandon what appears to be a sinking ship (any word on when the maintenance patch for Macs will be released to resolve that vanishing data bug?) and MakeMusic will realize that while SmartMusic may be a valuable asset, without our annual cash infusion for Finale upgrades their stock will once again be at or near junk status. In any event, Eric, I hope they finally wake up and actually help you out. Please keep us posted as to how they assist you. David H. Bailey Eric Dannewitz wrote: Oh, well, now we start seeing widespread reports to quote MacSupport. MacSupport's solution was to export pages as EPS. Whatever. Finale 2006a is stable on one of my mac systems, and totally crashes on my MiniMac. Yet, today, it crashed 3 times, then was totally stable. I believe it's a fairly serious bug, but the attitude from Finale support seems to be oh? really?. John Bell wrote: In FinMac2K6 I experienced several times the bug causing Finale to unexpectedly quit when trying to print. This bug seems to me to be even more virulent in FinMac2K6a -- I find it impossible to use any printer presets. Darcy suggested deleting all the presets. I did that, then rebuilt them, but the problem persists. This means that to print a set of orchestral parts (which in the past I have left the computer to do while I take a break) I have to set the two-page layout etc for each part. I have written to MacSupport. Meanwhile has anyone found a way of combatting this bug? John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Format for Parts
John Bell wrote: FinMac 2006a (but it has always been this way): This isn't exactly a bug, but it seems to me to be a flaw in the program. When I write a score, I usually want one Page Size and set of margins etc for score, and another for parts. I can make a template that holds all these parameters, but when I create a score with the Wizard (based on the Maestro Font Default file) the Page Format for Parts information is lost. In my opinion it would be of great benefit if the Page Format for Parts, as defined in the Default file, could be maintained when the Wizard builds a score. The Wizard uses the default template, not any settings you can adjust for each file from the Options/DocumentSettings dialogue. If you want your Page Format for Parts to show up in Wizard-created documents, you need to edit, then resave under the same name, the default template for whichever font you are using. At least that's how I understand things work. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Format for Parts
On Nov 17, 2005, at 6:21 AM, dhbailey wrote: John Bell wrote: FinMac 2006a (but it has always been this way): This isn't exactly a bug, but it seems to me to be a flaw in the program. When I write a score, I usually want one Page Size and set of margins etc for score, and another for parts. I can make a template that holds all these parameters, but when I create a score with the Wizard (based on the Maestro Font Default file) the Page Format for Parts information is lost. In my opinion it would be of great benefit if the Page Format for Parts, as defined in the Default file, could be maintained when the Wizard builds a score. The Wizard uses the default template, not any settings you can adjust for each file from the Options/DocumentSettings dialogue. If you want your Page Format for Parts to show up in Wizard-created documents, you need to edit, then resave under the same name, the default template for whichever font you are using. At least that's how I understand things work. My understanding (on FinMac 2005b, anyway) is that the Wizard gets its page sizes from pagesizes.txt which is a file in the Component Files folder. You can edit it in a text editor to make sure that YOUR favourite page is formatted correctly. I changed the left margin from 288 EVPU to 144 EVPU to match the other three margins when printing 8.5x11. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] A (biased) Finale-Sibelius comparison
It's worth listinening in sometimes. Some of this is complete nonsense of course, but that's where the public opinion is heading. http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5897 Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Page Format for Parts
Christopher is correct. Page margins, are dictated by pagesizes.txt. There's a section in the user manual describing what each parameter is... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Smith Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:25 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Page Format for Parts On Nov 17, 2005, at 6:21 AM, dhbailey wrote: John Bell wrote: FinMac 2006a (but it has always been this way): This isn't exactly a bug, but it seems to me to be a flaw in the program. When I write a score, I usually want one Page Size and set of margins etc for score, and another for parts. I can make a template that holds all these parameters, but when I create a score with the Wizard (based on the Maestro Font Default file) the Page Format for Parts information is lost. In my opinion it would be of great benefit if the Page Format for Parts, as defined in the Default file, could be maintained when the Wizard builds a score. The Wizard uses the default template, not any settings you can adjust for each file from the Options/DocumentSettings dialogue. If you want your Page Format for Parts to show up in Wizard-created documents, you need to edit, then resave under the same name, the default template for whichever font you are using. At least that's how I understand things work. My understanding (on FinMac 2005b, anyway) is that the Wizard gets its page sizes from pagesizes.txt which is a file in the Component Files folder. You can edit it in a text editor to make sure that YOUR favourite page is formatted correctly. I changed the left margin from 288 EVPU to 144 EVPU to match the other three margins when printing 8.5x11. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Format for Parts
On 17.11.2005 Fisher, Allen wrote: Christopher is correct. Page margins, are dictated by pagesizes.txt. There's a section in the user manual describing what each parameter is... Yet, I second John's request that the page format for parts should be taken from the default file and not from pagesizes.txt. This has been a bother since the wizard was introduced. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] independant time signature woes
David, I'm sorry, but I do have the feeling there's something wrong with your file. I tried a multi-key signature file as you described, and everything worked fine. Maybe you should try to import the music into a clean default file. Maybe that helps? Good luck, Minke (WinFin2K5) - Original Message - From: LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Finale list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 11:33 AM Subject: [Finale] independant time signature woes Dear collected wisdom I've arranged a song by Debussy. Vocal part in 4/4, accompaniment in 12/8. I've given the vocal staff an independant time signature. Notation looks good, but ... 1) playback is a mess (I don't mind, but still, it would have been nice to have an aural check) 2) articulations have to be attched one by one, as select regions does not behave properly (ok, I did) 3) smart shapes (crescendo, decrescendo) are almost impossible to position; what I see is not what I get, mouse and cursor go litterally in different directions when I try to move a crescendo sign. Am I doing something wrong, or is working with independant time signatures simply not the thing to do? A solution would be to notate all in 12/8 after all, and use tuplets with hidden brackets and numbers for the vocal staff. Is there a way to change the notation more or less automatically? Any help appreciated (I'm on the digest, so my warm thanks might take a while). David - WinFin2K6 * David van Ooijen Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://home.planet.nl/~d.v.ooijen/ * ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Format for Parts
Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 17.11.2005 Fisher, Allen wrote: Christopher is correct. Page margins, are dictated by pagesizes.txt. There's a section in the user manual describing what each parameter is... Yet, I second John's request that the page format for parts should be taken from the default file and not from pagesizes.txt. This has been a bother since the wizard was introduced. Johannes Either that or there should be a wizard wizard which can be run to setup or change page sizes, in a clear manner which explains carefully (with graphic representation) what each dimension will affect. This could be run when the program is first installed, and then whenever we wish after that, so that we could change our minds. Sort of a graphical interface for the pagesizes.txt file, I guess. I see no reason why we do so much within the program and yet have to use an external editor to alter these things. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Printing bug
Y'know, Last time we are on this thread, I offered a help but no one responded. I said, have you saved specific printer per Fin document? And send me crash log privately so I can give a half-baked uneducated guesses. Make sure you zip the log, or my mail server might choke up. I have not seen any FinMac2006x crash except ones related to NI. I have HP5MP and Epson850N. My students has two different type of HP all-in- ones, iX3000, and i560. None of them are crashing on print. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Format for Parts
On 17.11.2005 dhbailey wrote: Either that or there should be a wizard wizard which can be run to setup or change page sizes, in a clear manner which explains carefully (with graphic representation) what each dimension will affect. This could be run when the program is first installed, and then whenever we wish after that, so that we could change our minds. That does not address the original problem: It is possible to change the page format for scores with the wizard. That's not a bad idea imo. However, when it comes to the page format for parts Finale just uses the same values, sort of defeating the object of having two page formats in the first place. Most people will work with standard page formats most of the time, one for scores and one for parts and this is exactly what isn't possible with the wizard. There are two solutions to this: Either the wizard should not alter the page format for parts at all (ie use the one that is in the default file) or have a separate option for the page format for parts in the wizard itself. Ideally with a separate, user defined default. Sort of a graphical interface for the pagesizes.txt file, I guess. I personally see no real use for that. YMMV I see no reason why we do so much within the program and yet have to use an external editor to alter these things. OK, I agree there could be a function inside Finale to alter the pagesizes defaults, however, in my experience I only ever changed that file once. I'd rather see some more important problems addressed. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] A (biased) Finale-Sibelius comparison
On Nov 17, 2005, at 5:30 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: but that's where the public opinion is heading. http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5897 Johannes Most of the comments on that discussion were two years old. Wonder if 2K6 changed anyone's ... Oh . never mind. Dick H Olympia, Wa ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Unison spacing
Is there some setting I'm missing to get consistent (correct would be nice too) spacing of unisons and seconds? I thought that stems in opposite directions were supposed to be aligned, but that is a rare occurrence (at least the way I have things set up) and there seems to be no apparent rhyme or reason to the spacing I am getting. Thanks, Don Hart ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Windows Shortcuts?
Hi Darcy, Not sure anyone gave you a direct answer. Ctrl-Pageup/Down does this in Windows. Dan At 01:51 AM 11/15/2005, you wrote: Hello, Could someone please tell me the Windows equivalent of the Mac cmd- page up and cmd-page down shortcuts? In Page View, these shortcuts advance or go back one page. In Scroll View, they advance or go back one screen. How is this down in WinFin2006? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Daniel Carno Music Engraving Services Quality work in Sibelius, Finale, and Score 4514 Makyes Road Syracuse, New York 13215 (315) 492-2987 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Upgrade question follow-up
Wade, thanks for the link, which I missed. It answered my questions. So, aside from eBay any suggestions on where I might track down a newer-but-not-current version? I've got FinMac2Kc. As always my thanks in advance. * Bill Spencer in NHBW G3/400mhz/rev.2/385mb/Jaguar (10.2.8), becoming Panther sometime soon ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] A (biased) Finale-Sibelius comparison
Yeah, some real good comments thereof course they are from 2003...so. Johannes Gebauer wrote: It's worth listinening in sometimes. Some of this is complete nonsense of course, but that's where the public opinion is heading. http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5897 Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re Re: Wandering tempo markings
Thank you for the response. I'll answer your questions. (1) On the Expression Selection dialogue box, the note expression option is greyed out and thus cannot be selected. (2) This same problem has occured with four different extracted files. The Data Check option provides no clues. Guess that I'll have to call Make Music and see what they have to say. Best wishes, Fred Hoeptner Fred Hoeptner wrote: Hi: On windows Finale 2004, after extracting parts, I need to place the tempo marking (such as quarter note = 50 - 54) at the beginning of the extracted parts. This I can easily do using the expression tool and the Maestro character set. However, the marking will not stay in place. As I work with the score, it continues to jump progressively farther to the left and finally completely off the screen. Of course, I can replace it just before printing using the expression tool, but this is a nuisance. Saving with the tempo marking in its correct position is ineffective; when I reopen the file, it has jumped far to the left. Please, can anyone help? I've never run into this problem. When you enter it as an expression, are you placing it as a note-attached expression, or measure-attached? I wish I had run into this problem so I could offer you concrete suggestions. Try placing the expression in an otherwise blank file and see if it does the same thing. If it stays put, then something is corrupted in the file where it constantly moves around. You might also try the Data-Check option on the file where it moves and see if it finds anything to correct. That might help. Good luck! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Printing bug
Ok, but are they running on a Mac Mini system under 10.4.3? It doesn't seem to matter what printer I print to (Samsung or Brother). Finale will crash even doing a print preview and when I print to PDF. No printer saved things. Just to the default settings. I've deleted the printers and reinstalled them as well... Yet, yesterday, after crashing 3 times, it worked fine. Sounds like a bug to me. A-NO-NE Music wrote: Y'know, Last time we are on this thread, I offered a help but no one responded. I said, have you saved specific printer per Fin document? And send me crash log privately so I can give a half-baked uneducated guesses. Make sure you zip the log, or my mail server might choke up. I have not seen any FinMac2006x crash except ones related to NI. I have HP5MP and Epson850N. My students has two different type of HP all-in- ones, iX3000, and i560. None of them are crashing on print. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re Re: Wandering tempo markings
I don't remember what the solution to this problem was in 2004, but I have similar thing occur (sometimes) when converting files from 2004 into later versions. (I delete the wandering expression and replace it with a fixed one.) This has been fixed since 2005 where automatic definable expression placement became available. (That was the last upgrade feature that seems nearly universally accepted as a significant graphic improvement, and I recommend it.) Chuck On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:10 AM, Fred Hoeptner wrote: Thank you for the response. I'll answer your questions. (1) On the Expression Selection dialogue box, the note expression option is greyed out and thus cannot be selected. (2) This same problem has occured with four different extracted files. The Data Check option provides no clues. Guess that I'll have to call Make Music and see what they have to say. Best wishes, Fred Hoeptner Fred Hoeptner wrote: Hi: On windows Finale 2004, after extracting parts, I need to place the tempo marking (such as quarter note = 50 - 54) at the beginning of the extracted parts. This I can easily do using the expression tool and the Maestro character set. However, the marking will not stay in place. As I work with the score, it continues to jump progressively farther to the left and finally completely off the screen. Of course, I can replace it just before printing using the expression tool, but this is a nuisance. Saving with the tempo marking in its correct position is ineffective; when I reopen the file, it has jumped far to the left. Please, can anyone help? I've never run into this problem. When you enter it as an expression, are you placing it as a note-attached expression, or measure-attached? I wish I had run into this problem so I could offer you concrete suggestions. Try placing the expression in an otherwise blank file and see if it does the same thing. If it stays put, then something is corrupted in the file where it constantly moves around. You might also try the Data-Check option on the file where it moves and see if it finds anything to correct. That might help. Good luck! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] RE: Wandering tempo markings
On windows Finale 2004, after extracting parts, I need to place the tempo marking (such as quarter note = 50 - 54) at the beginning of the extracted parts. This I can easily do using the expression tool and the Maestro character set. However, the marking will not stay in place. As I work with the score, it continues to jump progressively farther to the left and finally completely off the screen. Of course, I can replace it just before printing using the expression tool, but this is a nuisance. Saving with the tempo marking in its correct position is ineffective; when I reopen the file, it has jumped far to the left. Please, can anyone help? I run into this problem sometimes too. And I've attributed it to having Allow Individual Positioning checked in the measure expressions attributes. That option is great when working in the score, but it's pretty useless in a one-line part. Uncheck that and your problem should disappear. I wish that feature it would be automatically disabled if there is only one staff. Ryan __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] re: Wandering tempo markings
(1) On the Expression Selection dialogue box, the note expression option is greyed out and thus cannot be selected. It sounds like you're in Layer 2 and trying to apply notes to Layer 1. If there are no notes to apply an expression to Finale automatically defaults to measure only. Anyway, it's how I remember it, since I'm not at home, I can't confirm... Ryan __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re Re: Wandering tempo markings
are you using individual time signatures on your staves? or are you using a pickup measure? both these things can cause that problem if you have a pickup measure, then instead of using Finale's old way of entering a pickup measure - just use a different time signature for that first incomplete measure - for instance: in a 4/4 piece with a quarter note pickup: enter a 1/4 time signature for that first measure with the option of displaying 4/4 rather than 1/4 (that is an option when applying time signatures) the problem of jumping expressions should disappear - good luck. Thomas Schaller On Nov 17, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Fred Hoeptner wrote: Thank you for the response. I'll answer your questions. (1) On the Expression Selection dialogue box, the note expression option is greyed out and thus cannot be selected. (2) This same problem has occured with four different extracted files. The Data Check option provides no clues. Guess that I'll have to call Make Music and see what they have to say. Best wishes, Fred Hoeptner Fred Hoeptner wrote: Hi: On windows Finale 2004, after extracting parts, I need to place the tempo marking (such as quarter note = 50 - 54) at the beginning of the extracted parts. This I can easily do using the expression tool and the Maestro character set. However, the marking will not stay in place. As I work with the score, it continues to jump progressively farther to the left and finally completely off the screen. Of course, I can replace it just before printing using the expression tool, but this is a nuisance. Saving with the tempo marking in its correct position is ineffective; when I reopen the file, it has jumped far to the left. Please, can anyone help? I've never run into this problem. When you enter it as an expression, are you placing it as a note-attached expression, or measure-attached? I wish I had run into this problem so I could offer you concrete suggestions. Try placing the expression in an otherwise blank file and see if it does the same thing. If it stays put, then something is corrupted in the file where it constantly moves around. You might also try the Data-Check option on the file where it moves and see if it finds anything to correct. That might help. Good luck! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unison spacing
And I failed to mention that the incorporate manual spacing option in spacing options has no effect that I can find in this situation. Any dragging of notes for this purpose gets fixed as soon as spacing is applied. Sorry to go on about this, but I haven't noticed any previous discussion on the matter and it's a particular problem for me today. Mac '05, BTW. Thanks - DH on 11/17/05 10:04 AM, Don Hart at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there some setting I'm missing to get consistent (correct would be nice too) spacing of unisons and seconds? I thought that stems in opposite directions were supposed to be aligned, but that is a rare occurrence (at least the way I have things set up) and there seems to be no apparent rhyme or reason to the spacing I am getting. Thanks, Don Hart ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Re Re: Wandering tempo markings
Didn't definable expression positioning first appear in 2004? Or are you talking about a different feature (I'm still on Fin2004). -Lee I don't remember what the solution to this problem was in 2004, but I have similar thing occur (sometimes) when converting files from 2004 into later versions. (I delete the wandering expression and replace it with a fixed one.) This has been fixed since 2005 where automatic definable expression placement became available. (That was the last upgrade feature that seems nearly universally accepted as a significant graphic improvement, and I recommend it.) Chuck ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re Re: Wandering tempo markings
Oh! Maybe so. I thought it was 2005. sorry. Chuck On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:49 AM, Lee Actor wrote: Didn't definable expression positioning first appear in 2004? Or are you talking about a different feature (I'm still on Fin2004). -Lee I don't remember what the solution to this problem was in 2004, but I have similar thing occur (sometimes) when converting files from 2004 into later versions. (I delete the wandering expression and replace it with a fixed one.) This has been fixed since 2005 where automatic definable expression placement became available. (That was the last upgrade feature that seems nearly universally accepted as a significant graphic improvement, and I recommend it.) Chuck ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Printing bug
Eric Dannewitz / 2005/11/17 / 01:19 PM wrote: Ok, but are they running on a Mac Mini system under 10.4.3? It doesn't seem to matter what printer I print to (Samsung or Brother). Finale will crash even doing a print preview and when I print to PDF. No printer saved things. Just to the default settings. I've deleted the printers and reinstalled them as well... Dacy is on Mini. As I mentioned before, Finale does have a weird behavior when printing to inkjet and if you leave the driver to any printer within the document. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] [Fwd: [Olist] Gardner Read 1913 - 2005]
I just read this on orchestralist and though I would share it with the Finale list, since we so often quote Read's books on notation. David H. Bailey Original Message Subject:[Olist] Gardner Read 1913 - 2005 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:22:29 - From: Clinton F. Nieweg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Composer Gardner Read in Wednesday's Boston Globe, Richard Dyer reports the death of distinguished American composer Gardner Read, who died of complications from pneumonia Nov. 10 at age 92. Clinton F. Nieweg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Orchestralist www.orchestralist.net SPONSORED LINKS Music http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Musicw1=Musicw2=Orchestraw3=Orchestra+instrumentw4=Making+musicw5=Orchestra+sheet+musicw6=Philharmonic+orchestrac=6s=125.sig=a8argrMTemnGgHw3hi2v9A Orchestra http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Orchestraw1=Musicw2=Orchestraw3=Orchestra+instrumentw4=Making+musicw5=Orchestra+sheet+musicw6=Philharmonic+orchestrac=6s=125.sig=HV5cxoBq0YbgW1qiIxCPiw Orchestra instrument http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Orchestra+instrumentw1=Musicw2=Orchestraw3=Orchestra+instrumentw4=Making+musicw5=Orchestra+sheet+musicw6=Philharmonic+orchestrac=6s=125.sig=tAfWPw-EdTzgX6_8PUDYNw Making music http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Making+musicw1=Musicw2=Orchestraw3=Orchestra+instrumentw4=Making+musicw5=Orchestra+sheet+musicw6=Philharmonic+orchestrac=6s=125.sig=vD_0DP-dg9lC1BmA_ZhgzA Orchestra sheet music http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Orchestra+sheet+musicw1=Musicw2=Orchestraw3=Orchestra+instrumentw4=Making+musicw5=Orchestra+sheet+musicw6=Philharmonic+orchestrac=6s=125.sig=roGnpZNlZzHlZ_1UdWAVLg Philharmonic orchestra http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Philharmonic+orchestraw1=Musicw2=Orchestraw3=Orchestra+instrumentw4=Making+musicw5=Orchestra+sheet+musicw6=Philharmonic+orchestrac=6s=125.sig=D36fHFOGE8Fjr3XIhj5vRg YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group Orchestralist http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Orchestralist on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Upgrade question follow-up
On 17.11.2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wade, thanks for the link, which I missed. It answered my questions. So, aside from eBay any suggestions on where I might track down a newer-but-not-current version? I've got FinMac2Kc. As always my thanks in advance. What exactly is your reason for not wanting 2k6? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Format for Parts
On 17 Nov 2005 at 9:30, dhbailey wrote: Johannes Gebauer wrote: Yet, I second John's request that the page format for parts should be taken from the default file and not from pagesizes.txt. This has been a bother since the wizard was introduced. Either that or there should be a wizard wizard which can be run to setup or change page sizes, in a clear manner which explains carefully (with graphic representation) what each dimension will affect. This could be run when the program is first installed, and then whenever we wish after that, so that we could change our minds. Sort of a graphical interface for the pagesizes.txt file, I guess. I see no reason why we do so much within the program and yet have to use an external editor to alter these things. You should be careful how you post. MakeMusic might read your message and decide to solve the problem by adding a text editor to Finale, instead of actually addressing the problem. That's what they've been doing with almost everything else for quite some time now. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] A (biased) Finale-Sibelius comparison
On 17 Nov 2005 at 8:08, Dick Hauser wrote: On Nov 17, 2005, at 5:30 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: but that's where the public opinion is heading. http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5897 Johannes Most of the comments on that discussion were two years old. Wonder if 2K6 changed anyone's ... Oh . never mind. If you read through to the end of the discussion, you'll see that it turns completely reasonable, with post from 2005 that postdate the release of Sibelius 4. Indeed, someone who admits *working* for Sibelius is the one who basically rescues the thread by pointing out that the two programs are basically at parity on features (and admits that scanning music can't ever work well and isn't any better or worse in either of the programs). I don't think MakeMusic needs to worry about people who make posts that call Finale the devil because those kinds of rants are basically self-refuting to anyone who has any common sense. For the people lacking common sense, it doesn't really matter much whether the discussion is well-balanced and sensible or not. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] {Spam} Combining PDFs
Well, on your advise I tried InDesign, but it is the same thing: you have to
place the two PDFs on the page by hand. It's quite easy, but still
In the meantime someone thought out something for me with which I can
combine the postscript files, so that they come on top of each other in the
PDF. It's not an official way, but it works (at least, I did not get any
weird bugs until now), even for multiple pages.
Long live handy husbands!!!
Thanks for thinking with me anyway, Minke
(I'm sorry for the {spam} in the header -- I don't know how it got there)
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From: Barbara Touburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] {Spam} Combining PDFs
Place both files (one on top of the other) in InDesign or whatever. I've
been doing this for years and it works great.
Minke Hylarides wrote:
Making PDFs with Finale hase been a struggle for me too, but now I've
discovererd the tricks (embedding all fonts, protability, etc. -- it
has been a fight!)
But now I've encountered a following problem, which hasn't to do with
Finale, rather with PDFs on there own. But is there somebody who can
help me?
For reasons of my own I work with separate Finale files for a bigger
work. When a part ends halfway the page, I make the next part start
halfway that same page. And when I print it I run it to the printer
twice. Easy!
But now I have to make PDFs and I can't seem to make them combine on
the same page. Well, not an easy way. I discovered that it is
possible to cut out a piece of the PDF page and insert that on
another PDF page. But you have to place it on exactly the right spot
on the page (manually), which was already correct in the first place!
A waste of time
So I was wondering if someone of you has found a way (tool, program)
to paste 2 PDFs on one page.
Thanks in advance,
Minke Hylarides
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Re: [Finale] Page Format for Parts
On 17 Nov 2005 at 15:58, Johannes Gebauer wrote: There are two solutions to this: Either the wizard should not alter the page format for parts at all (ie use the one that is in the default file) or have a separate option for the page format for parts in the wizard itself. Ideally with a separate, user defined default. Until MakeMusic fixes it, why not save out your page sizes as a library, and then load it into any new file immediately after finishing setting it up with the wizard. It's not a perfect solution, but it's better than redefining everything by hand. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] {Spam} Combining PDFs
Hi Minke,
Glad that you've got it working.
Now, would you be willing to share the solution?
Say hi for me to Stijn!
Minke Hylarides wrote:
Well, on your advise I tried InDesign, but it is the same thing: you
have to place the two PDFs on the page by hand. It's quite easy, but
still
In the meantime someone thought out something for me with which I can
combine the postscript files, so that they come on top of each other
in the PDF. It's not an official way, but it works (at least, I did
not get any weird bugs until now), even for multiple pages.
Long live handy husbands!!!
Thanks for thinking with me anyway, Minke
(I'm sorry for the {spam} in the header -- I don't know how it got
there)
- Original Message -
From: Barbara Touburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] {Spam} Combining PDFs
Place both files (one on top of the other) in InDesign or whatever.
I've been doing this for years and it works great.
Minke Hylarides wrote:
Making PDFs with Finale hase been a struggle for me too, but now
I've discovererd the tricks (embedding all fonts, protability, etc.
-- it has been a fight!)
But now I've encountered a following problem, which hasn't to do
with Finale, rather with PDFs on there own. But is there somebody
who can help me?
For reasons of my own I work with separate Finale files for a bigger
work. When a part ends halfway the page, I make the next part start
halfway that same page. And when I print it I run it to the printer
twice. Easy!
But now I have to make PDFs and I can't seem to make them combine on
the same page. Well, not an easy way. I discovered that it is
possible to cut out a piece of the PDF page and insert that on
another PDF page. But you have to place it on exactly the right spot
on the page (manually), which was already correct in the first
place! A waste of time
So I was wondering if someone of you has found a way (tool, program)
to paste 2 PDFs on one page.
Thanks in advance,
Minke Hylarides
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Re: [Finale] Page Format for Parts
But my point is that this doesn't work. I open the Maestro Font Default file and set Page Format for score (A3 etc etc) and Page Format for Parts (A4 etc etc), and save it. But when I create a new score, the formatting for parts has disappeared -- the Format for Score is applied to both score parts. John On 17 Nov 2005, at 11:21, dhbailey wrote: John Bell wrote: FinMac 2006a (but it has always been this way): This isn't exactly a bug, but it seems to me to be a flaw in the program. When I write a score, I usually want one Page Size and set of margins etc for score, and another for parts. I can make a template that holds all these parameters, but when I create a score with the Wizard (based on the Maestro Font Default file) the Page Format for Parts information is lost. In my opinion it would be of great benefit if the Page Format for Parts, as defined in the Default file, could be maintained when the Wizard builds a score. The Wizard uses the default template, not any settings you can adjust for each file from the Options/DocumentSettings dialogue. If you want your Page Format for Parts to show up in Wizard-created documents, you need to edit, then resave under the same name, the default template for whichever font you are using. At least that's how I understand things work. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Format for Parts
At 04:45 PM 11/17/2005, John Bell wrote: But my point is that this doesn't work. I open the Maestro Font Default file and set Page Format for score (A3 etc etc) and Page Format for Parts (A4 etc etc), and save it. But when I create a new score, the formatting for parts has disappeared -- the Format for Score is applied to both score parts. Yes, I believe this is what happens when you use the Wizard. All settings are inherited from Maestro Font Default *except* page margins. The margins for both score and parts are set to the values in pagesizes.txt. I'm not defending this -- I think it's bone stupid -- though from a programmer's point of view I sort of understand how it wound up that way. As someone else suggested, what you should do is save a Page Format library from your default doc, and then load this into any new docs after you create them with the wizard. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Text Issue
Brad, you were correct ... I could have (and finally did) put the second text line into a verse 2 format, and it went to where I desired. Thanks for the clue. Dean On Nov 16, 2005, at 5:05 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On 11/16/05, Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 16, 2005, at 4:35 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On 11/16/05, Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 2nd layer, for example, will not accept a text of its own ... unless there is a technique of which I presently know not. The second layer *will* take a lyric; you just have to have Layer 2 selected at the bottom-left of the screen. Well, I had 2nd layer selected, but it didn't work. H Odd, I was just able to put lyrics on Layers 1 and 2 of a blank document I created just for testing this out. Maybe it's affected by something in the Document Options... -- Brad Beyenhof Real-time Finale discussion: http://www.finaleirc.com my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right. ~ Igor Stravinsky ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] musicRAIN 2.0 - a digital sheet music player for Finale files
There was a pretty interesting announcement for Finale users earlier this week that I hadn't seen mentioned here yet. Finale users have been limited in their ability to display and playback scores within a web browser, or to sell scores securely over the Internet. The new musicRAIN 2.0 software from mediaRAIN should change this. musicRAIN is an interactive sheet music player created for sales of digital sheet music. It uses Macromedia Flash Player 8, so no additional downloads are needed to use it in a web browser. The application reads music in the MusicXML 1.1 format and lets you transpose for printing and playback. It can be customized to meet the needs of individual digital sheet music retailers. We've created an example on our Recordare site that shows the same Finale file saved both to PDF format and to MusicXML format for use with musicRAIN. The musicRAIN example was loaded directly from the MusicXML 1.1 file created by our Dolet 3 for Finale plug-in. You can see this example at: http://www.recordare.com/xml/example11.html For more information about the musicRAIN player, see the mediaRAIN site at: http://www.mediarain.com/musicrain/index.php Best regards, Michael Good Recordare LLC www.recordare.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] musicRAIN 2.0 - a digital sheet music player for Finale files
On 11/17/05, Michael Good [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.recordare.com/xml/example11.html I get an Error loading the file. Please try again later. when trying to use the musicRAIN link on this page. However, musicRAIN does look pretty cool, after checking it out with the demo on the mediarain site. -- Brad Beyenhof Real-time Finale discussion: http://www.finaleirc.com my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right. ~ Igor Stravinsky ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unison spacing
Don I have little problem with incorrect spacing of unisons and seconds, but your request provides little informtion that would permit me to offer meaningful assistance. What platform (MAC, WIN), and what version of Finale are you using? What type of music, instrumental, or choral? If you want to send me a short file illustrating your problem, I'll take a look. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Upgrade question follow-up
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wade, thanks for the link, which I missed. It answered my questions. So, aside from eBay any suggestions on where I might track down a newer-but-not-current version? I've got FinMac2Kc. Well, first place might be to try a Sibelius list. Also, check local music stores with an active school music program; a composer I know, purchased in mid 2004, a copy of WIN FIN 2003. If you were on WIN, and looking for copy, and made the appropriate contacts with MakeMusic!, I would be in a position to supply you with a copy of the 2003 distribution, and the downloadable updates; surely there is a member of the list who could do the same with the MAC version. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Printing bug
Thanks for the offer, Hiro, but I don't know where to find the crash log. I can very easily replicate the bug simply by trying to print a Finale file using any printer preset other than Default. My printer is a Minolto/QMS PagePro 9100, connected by USB, if that's relevant. John On 17 Nov 2005, at 14:28, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Y'know, Last time we are on this thread, I offered a help but no one responded. I said, have you saved specific printer per Fin document? And send me crash log privately so I can give a half-baked uneducated guesses. Make sure you zip the log, or my mail server might choke up. I have not seen any FinMac2006x crash except ones related to NI. I have HP5MP and Epson850N. My students has two different type of HP all-in- ones, iX3000, and i560. None of them are crashing on print. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Format for Parts
Thanks for that tip, David, it does help. John On 17 Nov 2005, at 21:18, David W. Fenton wrote: On 17 Nov 2005 at 15:58, Johannes Gebauer wrote: There are two solutions to this: Either the wizard should not alter the page format for parts at all (ie use the one that is in the default file) or have a separate option for the page format for parts in the wizard itself. Ideally with a separate, user defined default. Until MakeMusic fixes it, why not save out your page sizes as a library, and then load it into any new file immediately after finishing setting it up with the wizard. It's not a perfect solution, but it's better than redefining everything by hand. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
