RE: [Finale] artificial or natural harmonic notation?
Continue with the P4-above notation. It's perfectly normal and acceptable to use it for open-string harmonics, and in this context anything else is more unwieldly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randolph Peters Sent: 11 September 2006 04:30 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] artificial or natural harmonic notation? I was puzzling over a notational problem I had regarding artificial and natural harmonics notation on a stringed instrument. I have a section in a piece I'm writing where the violin soloist plays a series of artificial harmonics (P4 above). When the passage comes to an open string, I've usually thought of those notes as being natural harmonics. The thing is that the traditional notation for natural harmonics looks odd and jumps out at you. Should I carry on with the artificial harmonics notation (a note and a diamond a P4th above) or should I mix the two kinds of harmonics notation? [Let's assume the player is using an open string and not a fingered version of the same note.] I appeal to the wisdom of the list. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] artificial or natural harmonic notation?
I was puzzling over a notational problem I had regarding artificial and natural harmonics notation on a stringed instrument. I have a section in a piece I'm writing where the violin soloist plays a series of artificial harmonics (P4 above). When the passage comes to an open string, I've usually thought of those notes as being natural harmonics. The thing is that the traditional notation for natural harmonics looks odd and jumps out at you. Should I carry on with the artificial harmonics notation (a note and a diamond a P4th above) or should I mix the two kinds of harmonics notation? [Let's assume the player is using an open string and not a fingered version of the same note.] I appeal to the wisdom of the list. -Randolph Peters I'm not sure what you mean by traditional notation for natural harmonics. Let's say we're talking about, for example, the natural harmonic at A a fourth above the open E, sounding two octaves above the open E. That could be notated three ways: 1) at the sounding pitch with a small circle above it (the traditional natural harmonic notation, though it is not unambiguous and might likely be played up high on the E string); 2) with an open diamond notehead at the A where the finger lightly touches the string; or 3) a diamond on the A plus a note of the proper rhythmic duration on the E (the standard for artificial harmonics). I would definitely use the last mentioned method, as it leaves the least room for doubt as to what you want. The second method cannot distinguish between, say, quarter and half notes, and the first method is too ambiguous and will look awkward among a series of artificial harmonics. Granted, using the recommended method could result in the note being played as an artificial harmonic on the A string (or even D), but if it's that important, you can always add a sul E or just I (Roman numeral one). Besides, in some contexts it may be advantageous to playing it as an artificial harmonic, as this would allow vibrato (impossible on a natural harmonic). Lee Actor Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic http://www.leeactor.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 and JW Space Systems
dc wrote: I finally received my upgrade (or rather found it hidden behind one of my shutters), and the first thing I was anxious to try is JW Space Systems on linked parts. I opened and old (2004) file, generated parts, and tried the plug-in on the score, which caused Finale to freeze. I made sure I had the latest version both of the plug-in (1.08) and PDK (2.15) and tried on another file, without generating parts. Freeze. I tried with a new Finale 2007 file. Same thing. A new file without libraries. Same thing. I spend several hours trying with different files and different options. Only once, by some miracle, the did the plug-in actually work and not freeze Finale, though it reported an Internal error. I tried again on the same file without changing anything, but was out of luck again... I'm rather upset, because I can't work without this plug-in. I know other people (at least Aaron) have reported that it works. Could it be my version of Windows (2000 SP 4)? Some options either in the plug-in or in PDK? Some program options of Finale? Any ideas or suggestions would be warmly appreciated. Is there anyway to downgrade to 2006 if I can't get it to work? I can't answer for getting the plug-in to work, but if you upgraded from Fin2006, it should still be installed on your computer and still fully functional -- the good folks at MM don't cripple the currently installed version when you install the new version, the way Sibelius does. With Sibelius, you can have ONE and ONLY ONE version working on your computer at any one time, but you can have as many versions of Finale installed and activated as you have purchased upgrades to. If you upgraded from an earlier version, you'd have to contact MakeMusic about the possibility of buying an upgrade to Fin2006, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. Most companies won't sell an earlier version once they've released the most recent version. Hopefully someone will be able to help you get that plug-in working again. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] artificial or natural harmonic notation?
It's been my experience that string players pretty much universally ignore my helpful notations about how to play harmonics, and unless it is impossible, will always play an artificial harmonic rather than a natural one. They explain that it is for tuning, as you can't tune a natural harmonic; and for timbre, as the sound of an open string is substantially different from a stopped one. Regardless, the notation with the diamond a 4th higher is perfectly correct, even on an open string, though as I said, most players will probably play it on the next lower string so that it will be an artificial harmonic in any case. Christopher On Sep 10, 2006, at 11:30 PM, Randolph Peters wrote: I was puzzling over a notational problem I had regarding artificial and natural harmonics notation on a stringed instrument. I have a section in a piece I'm writing where the violin soloist plays a series of artificial harmonics (P4 above). When the passage comes to an open string, I've usually thought of those notes as being natural harmonics. The thing is that the traditional notation for natural harmonics looks odd and jumps out at you. Should I carry on with the artificial harmonics notation (a note and a diamond a P4th above) or should I mix the two kinds of harmonics notation? [Let's assume the player is using an open string and not a fingered version of the same note.] I appeal to the wisdom of the list. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] artificial or natural harmonic notation?
If it were part of a melodic line, I'd probably avoid the open-string harmonic, too. Not just for the reasons mentioned, but because it is often much easier to play with a sustained sound, with shifting of the consistent 1-4 handshape, instead of switching from 1-4 to 0-3 as needed for the open string. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Smith Sent: 11 September 2006 12:56 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] artificial or natural harmonic notation? It's been my experience that string players pretty much universally ignore my helpful notations about how to play harmonics, and unless it is impossible, will always play an artificial harmonic rather than a natural one. They explain that it is for tuning, as you can't tune a natural harmonic; and for timbre, as the sound of an open string is substantially different from a stopped one. Regardless, the notation with the diamond a 4th higher is perfectly correct, even on an open string, though as I said, most players will probably play it on the next lower string so that it will be an artificial harmonic in any case. Christopher On Sep 10, 2006, at 11:30 PM, Randolph Peters wrote: I was puzzling over a notational problem I had regarding artificial and natural harmonics notation on a stringed instrument. I have a section in a piece I'm writing where the violin soloist plays a series of artificial harmonics (P4 above). When the passage comes to an open string, I've usually thought of those notes as being natural harmonics. The thing is that the traditional notation for natural harmonics looks odd and jumps out at you. Should I carry on with the artificial harmonics notation (a note and a diamond a P4th above) or should I mix the two kinds of harmonics notation? [Let's assume the player is using an open string and not a fingered version of the same note.] I appeal to the wisdom of the list. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 and JW Space Systems
I am using Mac, and I saw similar results until I upgraded to PDK Tools 2.16. SFAIK, PDK Tools 2.16 is only available at the TGTools website. Jari never added it to his. Indeed, I believe Tobias has taken over maintenance of PDKTools. JW Space Systems works fine with Fin07. As of now, however, there is no Universal Binary version of it (or of PDK Tools I believe). It will not work natively on Intel. The other caveat is that to run it on a part, you have to open it in score view. (This is the stupid Finale limitation.) -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: closing kit gesture at the end of a piece?
and then there's bucket-o-fish for the jazz ending w/ cymbal crash - or the rock version: moneymoneymoneymoneyCASH! (AKA the kitchen sink fill) On Sep 10, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Sep 9, 2006, at 9:06 PM, Matthew Hindson Fastmail acct wrote: I'm sure the wisdom of this list can help me here: Is there a name for the drum kit cliche that typically (used to) close off the final chord of soft jazz/lounge pieces? It sort of sounds like a triplet down the toms down to the kick drum/snare. Chickaboom. But it starts w. hi-hat and is certainly not a triplet. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 and JW Space Systems
At 10:29 AM 9/11/2006, dc wrote: Could anyone succesfully using the Windows version of JW Space Systems tell me their version of PDK Tools? PDKTools 2.16, WinXP, Fin2007. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 and JW Space Systems
I must have gotten PDKTools 2.16 bundled with the latest Mac TGTools. I haven't tried it on Windows. The TGTools website is www.tgtools.com. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] artificial or natural harmonic notation?
Thanks to Owain, Christopher and Lee for your thoughts on harmonics notation. I'm going to stick with the artificial harmonics notation for the extended passage I was referring to. This list is a very useful resource! -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: closing kit gesture at the end of a piece?
On Sep 11, 2006, at 10:28 AM, tim-cates wrote: and then there's bucket-o-fish for the jazz ending w/ cymbal crash - or the rock version: moneymoneymoneymoneyCASH! (AKA the kitchen sink fill) Heh, heh! Around here they call it the Hawaii Five-Oh. Funniest notation I ever saw on a drum part - Hit everything but the kitchen sink. Eight bars later - Add kitchen sink. Really! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 and JW Space Systems
At 10:52 AM 9/11/2006, dc wrote: Thanks, Aaron. So my 2.15 version is not the latest. Where did you find 2.16? I don't know. It must have been bundled with TGTools. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] artificial or natural harmonic notation?
At 10:30 PM -0500 9/10/06, Randolph Peters wrote: I was puzzling over a notational problem I had regarding artificial and natural harmonics notation on a stringed instrument. Don't feel bad. I'm a string player and every time I come across harmonics I have to stop and figure out what's intended! It's especially confusing in the books for Broadway musicals, since the copyists didn't always know or follow the rules!! I have a section in a piece I'm writing where the violin soloist plays a series of artificial harmonics (P4 above). When the passage comes to an open string, I've usually thought of those notes as being natural harmonics. The thing is that the traditional notation for natural harmonics looks odd and jumps out at you. Yes, they are natural harmonics, but PLEASE treat them the same as the others, as artificial, for consistency. No problem sightreading them that way; BIG problem reading if they bounce between systems. And the player, not you, will decide whether to use the open string based on the geometry of the passage. John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] artificial or natural harmonic notation?
At 12:49 AM -0700 9/11/06, Lee Actor wrote: Besides, in some contexts it may be advantageous to playing it as an artificial harmonic, as this would allow vibrato (impossible on a natural harmonic). Not entirely true. It's a different kind of vibrato with limited amplitude, but quite easy to produce and sounds like ... well ... vibrato. John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] artificial or natural harmonic notation?
On Sep 10, 2006, at 11:30 PM, Randolph Peters wrote: I have a section in a piece I'm writing where the violin soloist plays a series of artificial harmonics (P4 above). When the passage comes to an open string, I've usually thought of those notes as being natural harmonics. The thing is that the traditional notation for natural harmonics looks odd and jumps out at you. Should I carry on with the artificial harmonics notation (a note and a diamond a P4th above) or should I mix the two kinds of harmonics notation? The notation for artificial harmonics exists for clarification purposes, and is not mystically connected to the idea of the harmonic being artificial; it is therefore perfectly acceptable to use this notation for a natural harmonic where that would be clearer. However, to make certain the player does not go for an artificial harmonic on another string, you should either indicate the string name, or put a zero above the note to indicate the open string. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 and JW Space Systems
On Sep 11, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: I must have gotten PDKTools 2.16 bundled with the latest Mac TGTools. I haven't tried it on Windows. The TGTools website is www.tgtools.com. As of a week or so ago, TGTools was reported as causing Fin2K7 to freeze. Has this now been fixed? Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] artificial or natural harmonic notation?
The notation for artificial harmonics exists for clarification purposes, and is not mystically connected to the idea of the harmonic being artificial; it is therefore perfectly acceptable to use this notation for a natural harmonic where that would be clearer. However, to make certain the player does not go for an artificial harmonic on another string, you should either indicate the string name, or put a zero above the note to indicate the open string. Andrew Stiller I suppose it's worth noting another technique for notating natural harmonics, which uses just the diamond notehead by itself. This is most relevant to a series of various natural harmonics, particularly when upper partials (e.g. the natural harmonic at the major sixth above the open string) are involved. The outer movements of the Stravinsky violin concerto is two examples which I know use this, and also use small bracketed noteheads to indicate the intended pitches, which in this case is sufficient to remove the need for roman numeral indications of strings. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 and JW Space Systems
Hi Andrew, That is on the Mac platform. Don't know about Windows. Tobias acknowledged this and simply said that TG Tools was not yet 2007 complaint and that he was working on it. No further word, so far. Chuck On Sep 11, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Sep 11, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: I must have gotten PDKTools 2.16 bundled with the latest Mac TGTools. I haven't tried it on Windows. The TGTools website is www.tgtools.com. As of a week or so ago, TGTools was reported as causing Fin2K7 to freeze. Has this now been fixed? Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] artificial or natural harmonic notation?
At 12:49 AM -0700 9/11/06, Lee Actor wrote: Besides, in some contexts it may be advantageous to playing it as an artificial harmonic, as this would allow vibrato (impossible on a natural harmonic). Not entirely true. It's a different kind of vibrato with limited amplitude, but quite easy to produce and sounds like ... well ... vibrato. John You're right for octave harmonics, which have some leeway. But at the 4th above the open string, you basically lose the harmonic with even a slight deviation from pitch, at least on violin. Maybe on cello? -Lee ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Default file
I'd like to ask what you do with the default file when version switches. I have so many custom lib, articulation, chords (I hate how Finale spells chord - Very difficult to site-read), page format, just about everything. Since my daily use of Finale is for my own composition, this really matters to me. I also want to have my students consistent with my format. I have been using the same default file I created years ago but last year I learned from this list that it is a bad idea, which makes sense since Fin file format changes drastically over version upgrade. Moving to 2007, I am trying to modify Maestro default file but it hasn't been easy. There must be a better way: For both articulation and chord, I must create a bogus object so I can click to open the dialog. From there, I must delete all the entries then load the lib files. For chords, on top of this, inconsistently MIDI learned chords get messed up and I won't see it until I hit the chord and saw wrong chord symbol was attached. To do page format on p2, I have to create 2nd page on the Maestro file then delete it after I finish formatting. Is there any other way? And I wish if File Info data sticks in the default file so new file inherit them. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] artificial or natural harmonic notation?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Actor Sent: 11 September 2006 17:47 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: RE: [Finale] artificial or natural harmonic notation? At 12:49 AM -0700 9/11/06, Lee Actor wrote: Besides, in some contexts it may be advantageous to playing it as an artificial harmonic, as this would allow vibrato (impossible on a natural harmonic). Not entirely true. It's a different kind of vibrato with limited amplitude, but quite easy to produce and sounds like ... well ... vibrato. John You're right for octave harmonics, which have some leeway. But at the 4th above the open string, you basically lose the harmonic with even a slight deviation from pitch, at least on violin. Maybe on cello? -Lee A slight increase in finger pressure does enable a variation of pitch, although yes, it's far more difficult than at the octave! It's certainly possible to lower the D harmonic on the G string by around a third of a tone before it breaks into a multiphonic. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 and JW Space Systems
Andrew Stiller wrote: As of a week or so ago, TGTools was reported as causing Fin2K7 to freeze. Has this now been fixed? I do not have this problem. I was out of town and missed the report. Perhaps a specific function causes Fin07 to freeze. Or perhaps the person reporting the problem did not have PDKTools 2.16. (PDKTools 2.15 definitely causes Fin07 to freeze, as well as Fin06d.) I have been using TGTools v2.34 with Mac Fin07 without incident, but I haven't used much more than Add/Remove space, Align/Move, and perhaps Staff List Mgr is score view. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Default file
Dear Hiro, I don't know any other way to do this. I spend some time making the default file in the new version conform to my older one more or less as you describe the process. There are still at least 2 bugs in the Mac version that prevent me from achieving all I want in this regard: Stem Connections are not available in 2007 (MM acknowledges this and says they will repair it), and Document Options Library will not retain font selections (also acknowledged by MM). I have gotten around the font problem by taking the time to set the fonts in each of my templates, and I think it may be possible to get the stem connections to work by importing a staff that has them from a 2006 document. I'm going to try this when I have some time. Otherwise, as far as I know, we are stuck with this process. Chuck On Sep 11, 2006, at 9:58 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: I'd like to ask what you do with the default file when version switches. I have so many custom lib, articulation, chords (I hate how Finale spells chord - Very difficult to site-read), page format, just about everything. Since my daily use of Finale is for my own composition, this really matters to me. I also want to have my students consistent with my format. I have been using the same default file I created years ago but last year I learned from this list that it is a bad idea, which makes sense since Fin file format changes drastically over version upgrade. Moving to 2007, I am trying to modify Maestro default file but it hasn't been easy. There must be a better way: For both articulation and chord, I must create a bogus object so I can click to open the dialog. From there, I must delete all the entries then load the lib files. For chords, on top of this, inconsistently MIDI learned chords get messed up and I won't see it until I hit the chord and saw wrong chord symbol was attached. To do page format on p2, I have to create 2nd page on the Maestro file then delete it after I finish formatting. Is there any other way? And I wish if File Info data sticks in the default file so new file inherit them. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 and JW Space Systems
Hi Robert, I was the one who reported it and heard back from Tobias. It was Align/Move that crashed Finale, though the version of that tool supplied in Finale works fine. That's all I know. I will explore what versions I have and report back. Chuck On Sep 11, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: Andrew Stiller wrote: As of a week or so ago, TGTools was reported as causing Fin2K7 to freeze. Has this now been fixed? I do not have this problem. I was out of town and missed the report. Perhaps a specific function causes Fin07 to freeze. Or perhaps the person reporting the problem did not have PDKTools 2.16. (PDKTools 2.15 definitely causes Fin07 to freeze, as well as Fin06d.) I have been using TGTools v2.34 with Mac Fin07 without incident, but I haven't used much more than Add/Remove space, Align/Move, and perhaps Staff List Mgr is score view. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Default file
Funny, I just did this with my Default file. Here is what I did. I loaded Finale on two computers, On one I had my old default file loaded, and the other the new default (2007's installed file) loaded. I then went through and changed the articulations, slurs, and some other things I saw that looked better. I didn't have to touch the chords. It was that much. A-NO-NE Music wrote: I'd like to ask what you do with the default file when version switches. I have so many custom lib, articulation, chords (I hate how Finale spells chord - Very difficult to site-read), page format, just about everything. Since my daily use of Finale is for my own composition, this really matters to me. I also want to have my students consistent with my format. I have been using the same default file I created years ago but last year I learned from this list that it is a bad idea, which makes sense since Fin file format changes drastically over version upgrade. Moving to 2007, I am trying to modify Maestro default file but it hasn't been easy. There must be a better way: For both articulation and chord, I must create a bogus object so I can click to open the dialog. From there, I must delete all the entries then load the lib files. For chords, on top of this, inconsistently MIDI learned chords get messed up and I won't see it until I hit the chord and saw wrong chord symbol was attached. To do page format on p2, I have to create 2nd page on the Maestro file then delete it after I finish formatting. Is there any other way? And I wish if File Info data sticks in the default file so new file inherit them. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Default file
Chuck Israels / 2006/09/11 / 01:16 PM wrote: Otherwise, as far as I know, we are stuck with this process. Thanks Chuck. It is hard to imagine majority of Finale user is patient as you are, yet I don't recall complaint about this on this list. Page format lib doesn't retain anything I need, and it just occurred to me that I really don't know what page format lib is. Does anyone know? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Default file
At 01:28 PM 9/11/06 -0400, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Chuck Israels / 2006/09/11 / 01:16 PM wrote: Otherwise, as far as I know, we are stuck with this process. It is hard to imagine majority of Finale user is patient as you are, yet I don't recall complaint about this on this list. I don't have 2007, but my default files have come up through various generations of Finale though 2006. Does the new Finale setup make this impossible? I can hardly imaging starting years of work from scratch. I don't even know what all the tweaked settings are anymore -- there must be thousands, including all the libraries! Dennis -- Please participate in my latest project: http://maltedmedia.com/waam/ My blog: http://maltedmedia.com/bathory/waam-blog.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Default file
Hi Dennis, I have done what you do successfully with earlier upgrades. I don't know what gave me the notion that it might cause trouble to do things that way in the last couple of transitions. Perhaps Hiro and I are overly cautious and are doing unnecessary work. Anyone else weighing in on this? I tried to import my stem settings form 2006 into 2007 by taking a staff from a 2006 template that has the correct settings (and maintains them when that template is opened in 2007), and copying everything in that staff into a new staff in my 2007 default file, but the coping process did not retain the stem settings. I'm trying to figure out a workaround for this problem so that I can get the settings I like (stems at the cross point of an x note head), into a new 2007 template, so far, without success. Chuck On Sep 11, 2006, at 10:54 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 01:28 PM 9/11/06 -0400, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Chuck Israels / 2006/09/11 / 01:16 PM wrote: Otherwise, as far as I know, we are stuck with this process. It is hard to imagine majority of Finale user is patient as you are, yet I don't recall complaint about this on this list. I don't have 2007, but my default files have come up through various generations of Finale though 2006. Does the new Finale setup make this impossible? I can hardly imaging starting years of work from scratch. I don't even know what all the tweaked settings are anymore -- there must be thousands, including all the libraries! Dennis -- Please participate in my latest project: http://maltedmedia.com/waam/ My blog: http://maltedmedia.com/bathory/waam-blog.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Default file
On Sep 11, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Dennis, I have done what you do successfully with earlier upgrades. I don't know what gave me the notion that it might cause trouble to do things that way in the last couple of transitions. Perhaps Hiro and I are overly cautious and are doing unnecessary work. Maybe you got the idea from me, as I have reported corruption problems on older files imported into newer versions of Finale (Mac version.) Maybe it has nothing to do with Finale, or Mac, and I just live in a high sunspot area or something... Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Default file
On Sep 11, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 11, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Dennis, I have done what you do successfully with earlier upgrades. I don't know what gave me the notion that it might cause trouble to do things that way in the last couple of transitions. Perhaps Hiro and I are overly cautious and are doing unnecessary work. Maybe you got the idea from me, as I have reported corruption problems on older files imported into newer versions of Finale (Mac version.) Maybe it has nothing to do with Finale, or Mac, and I just live in a high sunspot area or something... Christopher Could be. When I get ideas from you, they are invariably good ones :-) Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] O.T. Performers for baroque music in the New York City area
I'm in need of some performers for a small concert I'm trying to pull together, featuring the music of Christoph Graupner, but I've not had much luck, because I'm not really a performer myself. While string players aren't too hard to locate, I'd love trumpets, horns and timpani for this concert, so if anyone has any suggestions or leads, I'm very open to any advice. I've already tried Craigs list--but not much luck there. -- Kim Patrick Clow There's really only two types of music: good and bad. ~ Rossini ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Default file
On 11 Sep 2006 at 11:10, Chuck Israels wrote: I have done what you do successfully with earlier upgrades. I don't know what gave me the notion that it might cause trouble to do things that way in the last couple of transitions. Perhaps Hiro and I are overly cautious and are doing unnecessary work. I've never done it but I've encountered all sorts of weird problems in files based on old templates. What I do is leave the default template alone and start new pieces from it, then use that file as the template for further files in the same genre. The old files that have been upgraded several times often have quite a few weird problems that can't be reproduced by other Finale users on this list. I would expect that upgrading the default file (rather than recreating it) would cause the same kind of problems. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure numbers
dc wrote: Has anyone found a way to have a different position for measure numbers in a score and in linked parts? I can't understand why this has been made always linked. Dennis What follows only will work easily for works/movements with a single measure number region. 1) Set up two regions, just like each other, but when it says show beginning with measure # put a measure number larger than the movement has for one of the regions. 2) when working on the score use one region and set it to show beginning with measure #2 or whatever you usually use, and set its position as you want it in the score. Be sure the other region is set to begin showing at a larger number than exists in the score. 3) when working on the parts, use the other region. Set the show beginning with measure # to a number larger than the last measure in the piece for the region that you just adjusted for the the score. Set the region you're reserving for parts to show beginning with measure 2 (or whatever you normally use) and set its position as you want for the parts. Nobody can understand why this item is always linked. Nobody, that is, except the good folks at MM who were forced to get this upgrade out the door by early August, before they had figured out how to unlink the measure numbers. Among other things. I can only begin to imagine the frustration of the programmers who work so hard to get things right and are told stop working on that feature, we're going gold with as it stands right now. We'll make them pay for the rest of that feature in the next upgrade. How frustrating that must be for their professional pride! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Default file
I have not rebuilt my default file since I switched to Maestro Font as the default music font, c. Fin2k. Since then I have upgraded it to each new version without any significant issues. Rebuilding from scratch is tedious work that I refuse to contemplate doing. ymmv. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
