[Finale] Accidentals - what's up with f sharp?
I've found a similar problem in winfin2006 - in speedy I press "S" to sharpen a note. This works on all notes except f where it changes the note to f double sharp. I didn't have this problem in fin02. Is this once again something that I have neglected to setup somewhere? Cheers, Lawrence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Pdf to potential performer - advice needed
Friends: Responding to Don Hart, about an unsolicited request for an unpublished score, John Howell wrote, in part: Noel's thought of offering perusal pages but not the complete score may indeed have merit, and you should at least ask whether that would be acceptable. But what no one has yet suggested (and what is the simplest way to handle this) is simply to prepare and sell a copy of the music to this person at the price you consider reasonable. To which I would note that my suggestion for perusal pages was based in part on the assumption that the performer had not yet made a firm decision on whether to buy Don's score or not, (e.g: I'm looking for material for my next recital concert, and I have some interest in your Opus), and further on the possibility that the score was large enough that the expense of printing, and shipping the score (both ways, if the artist decided no to make the purchase) was significant. In the digital age, I see the free perusal page as the equivalent of being in a brick-and-mortar music store and paging through sixteen scores, of which one intends to purchase two or three. Often the prospective buyer first pages through the scores in the files, selects the most promising half dozen, and looks for a practice room with a piano to make a more thorough evaluation. In reference to John's question about whether this would or constitute publication, or not, I'm not sure, but I would note that in the U.S. since the mid 1970's, and in much of the rest of the world since before that, publication is of less significance than formerly. The significance of publication in the U.S. until the mid 1970's, was that in order to be copyrighted, material had to be published. In the mid 1970's, the U.S. adapted the interpretation used in the rest of the world, and on items created since the mid 1970's, copyright exists from the time an item is placed in fixed form, either written in a score, of recorded. As to John's suggestion of a MIDI demo, I would advise _NOT_ sending a MIDI demo; suggesting instead the use of an mp3, wav, or cda format file. The latter can be played, but not opened by any notation software of which I am familiar; while a MIDI can be opened with most the notation packages. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up with f sharp?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found a similar problem in winfin2006 - in speedy I press S to sharpen a note. This works on all notes except f where it changes the note to f double sharp. I didn't have this problem in fin02. My first thought is to wonder if you are working in a sharp key, in which case sharping the F# would be F##. nms ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up?
I have experienced this behavior in WinFin2k7 too. It only concerns Speedy Entry. In Simple Entry there's no problem. I guess it's a bug. Mike Cholewa WinFin2k7 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Caldwell Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 6:11 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up? Perhaps I've gone temporarily insane (well, more insane than usual)... I try this in Speedy Entry with a MIDI keyboard: Enter C - C# - D I then try to force a natural on the D with '*'. Nothing happens. I can put one in parentheses, but not by itself. This doesn't happen to all notes though. It seems to occur in rising chromatic scales such as the example I give. I opened a default document and tried it again, same thing. I opened a default doc in Finale2k6, enter the same notes, and it gives me the natural as it should. It also works if I don't use a MIDI keyboard while in Speedy Entry. Could someone please tell me what program or document setting I am neglecting to notice in 2007, and then show me where Allen Funt is hiding??? This can't possibly be a bug. Thanks, Rich Caldwell MacFin2k7 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Was: Pdf to potential performer - advice needed
An an American composer who's lived across the pond for a long time, I have a question tangential to this: Noel Stoutenburg wrote: . In reference to John's question about whether this would or constitute publication, or not, I'm not sure, but I would note that in the U.S. since the mid 1970's, and in much of the rest of the world since before that, publication is of less significance than formerly. The significance of publication in the U.S. until the mid 1970's, was that in order to be copyrighted, material had to be published. In the mid 1970's, the U.S. adapted the interpretation used in the rest of the world, and on items created since the mid 1970's, copyright exists from the time an item is placed in fixed form, either written in a score, of recorded. In my experience, I can amplify this by noting that in ordinary rights (not grand rights) situations, and excepting cases where large numbers of scores/parts will be sold (i.e. educational), there's little or no money to be made in selling the scores themselves, as the bulk of the income will derive from licenses for concerts, broadcasts, and recordings. In Germany, the blanket licensing situation is very good, in that I can assume that radio stations, concert halls, schools, or churches will have paid their licenses, and if I can report the performance I will get paid from the blanket license. How true is that now in the US? Can I make the assumption that all schools and Universities have entered into a license arrangement or not? Daniel Wolf Frankfurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Pdf to potential performer - advice needed
Don Hart wrote: - Is there an advantage in sending either a pdf or a hard copy? For me, PDF saves on shipping costs and is very efficient for me; less so for the client, who has to print, fasten, and collate all those parts. I can also email edited parts very quickly (sometimes a matter of minutes between the phone call and the new part showing up in the client's email inbox.) But the choice of paper is important, and people other than me always seem to choose the cheapest, thinnest paper to print on and then Scotch tape it together, or not fasten it at all, making performances nerve-wracking occasions. When I print parts, I print them 2-up on thick cream paper and use acid-free paper tape to connect pages when necessary, so that means that I control the quality more when the parts are printed by me. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up?
This happens to me consistently in FinMac 2007, too, starting from a new document key signature C. Even weirder, when I hit the 9 to shift enharmonics, the D changes to an E with no double-flat, as it is supposed to! Definitely a bug, and definitely one that MakeMusic needs to know about and squash as soon as possible. This version of Finale doesn't seem ready for prime time yet. Christopher On Sep 23, 2006, at 12:11 AM, Rich Caldwell wrote: Perhaps I've gone temporarily insane (well, more insane than usual)... I try this in Speedy Entry with a MIDI keyboard: Enter C - C# - D I then try to force a natural on the D with '*'. Nothing happens. I can put one in parentheses, but not by itself. This doesn't happen to all notes though. It seems to occur in rising chromatic scales such as the example I give. I opened a default document and tried it again, same thing. I opened a default doc in Finale2k6, enter the same notes, and it gives me the natural as it should. It also works if I don't use a MIDI keyboard while in Speedy Entry. Could someone please tell me what program or document setting I am neglecting to notice in 2007, and then show me where Allen Funt is hiding??? This can't possibly be a bug. Thanks, Rich Caldwell MacFin2k7 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007 printing question MM's response
Chuck Israels wrote: Dear Jerry et al, Here's MMs (prompt) response that solved the problem: To accomodate printing score and parts at the same time with different orientations, we now override the printer's orientation to Finale's page orientation by default. However, there are some cases where this is not what you want, so we added a checkbox to restore the previous behavior where the printer orientation prevails. Finale 2007/Program Options/Save and Print/uncheck Use Finale's Page Orientation Instead of the Printer's Page Orientation This is just one more of those things hidden in 2007 that we need to learn and remember. And my hat is off to all those noble pioneers such as Chuck who are putting the program through its paces and sharing all this knowledge with the rest of us! Together we will come up with the knowledge which should have been included in a Befuddled by Fin2007? Read This. document. :-) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up with f sharp?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found a similar problem in winfin2006 - in speedy I press S to sharpen a note. This works on all notes except f where it changes the note to f double sharp. Not to question the obvious, but what key are you in when this occurs? I just tried it in the key of C, winfin2006c and it gives me F# as I would expect. Are you possibly in the key of G when you try this? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up?
Mike Cholewa wrote: I have experienced this behavior in WinFin2k7 too. It only concerns Speedy Entry. In Simple Entry there's no problem. I guess it's a bug. Mike Cholewa WinFin2k7 Maybe I'm not understanding the problem, but I just tried it in winfin2007, default document, single staff, entered C, C#, D -- then with the cursor on D I hit the * key and the natural shows up. Could you be more specific in listing the steps you're following where the natural isn't showing up? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up?
Rich Caldwell wrote: Perhaps I've gone temporarily insane (well, more insane than usual)... I try this in Speedy Entry with a MIDI keyboard: Enter C - C# - D I then try to force a natural on the D with '*'. Nothing happens. I can put one in parentheses, but not by itself. This doesn't happen to all notes though. It seems to occur in rising chromatic scales such as the example I give. I opened a default document and tried it again, same thing. I opened a default doc in Finale2k6, enter the same notes, and it gives me the natural as it should. It also works if I don't use a MIDI keyboard while in Speedy Entry. Could someone please tell me what program or document setting I am neglecting to notice in 2007, and then show me where Allen Funt is hiding??? This can't possibly be a bug. I don't know if there is any such setting -- winfin2007 works as it should -- in your passage, hitting the * key on the D shows a natural sign, no parentheses. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Was: Pdf to potential performer - advice needed
Daniel Wolf wrote: An an American composer who's lived across the pond for a long time, I have a question tangential to this: Noel Stoutenburg wrote: . In reference to John's question about whether this would or constitute publication, or not, I'm not sure, but I would note that in the U.S. since the mid 1970's, and in much of the rest of the world since before that, publication is of less significance than formerly. The significance of publication in the U.S. until the mid 1970's, was that in order to be copyrighted, material had to be published. In the mid 1970's, the U.S. adapted the interpretation used in the rest of the world, and on items created since the mid 1970's, copyright exists from the time an item is placed in fixed form, either written in a score, of recorded. In my experience, I can amplify this by noting that in ordinary rights (not grand rights) situations, and excepting cases where large numbers of scores/parts will be sold (i.e. educational), there's little or no money to be made in selling the scores themselves, as the bulk of the income will derive from licenses for concerts, broadcasts, and recordings. In Germany, the blanket licensing situation is very good, in that I can assume that radio stations, concert halls, schools, or churches will have paid their licenses, and if I can report the performance I will get paid from the blanket license. How true is that now in the US? Can I make the assumption that all schools and Universities have entered into a license arrangement or not? I'm not a copyright lawyer, but to the best of my understanding the following is true: In the US, accredited educational institutions are exempt from performance royalties, if the performances occur during the normal school hours and are a part of the curriculum. Evening performances, things billed as concerts are still required to pay performance royalties. Public schools may well be covered by blanket licenses which the municipalities may obtain to cover any/all public performances on municipally owned property. Universities/colleges/conservatories are not covered by these, but it is a good bet that ASCAP/BMI have gotten them to buy licenses. I feel I need to point out that I'm not sure publication was necessary for copyright prior to 1970 -- I thought that registration with the copyright office with accompanying hard-copy of the material was all that was necessary. But registration was definitely necessary for copyright protection -- no registration, no copyright protection. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Pdf to potential performer - advice needed
John Howell wrote: [snip] - What options are available, other than placing a copyright notice on the work, to help restrict the use of this score to the stated intent of this artist (consider the piece for performance)? The copyright notice establishes your ownership of the work. All else follows from that. One thought I had was to put some sort of watermark, or the like, on several pages of the score. Has anyone done this? Is there some way to do this in Finale so that it would show up and print out in pdf form? And this would accomplish what? I don't mean at all to be sarcastic, but I see no advantage to you in any way. Perhaps I don't understand your use of the word watermark, which is certainly NOT a watermark at all in the historical sense. These days, in desktop publishing jargon, a watermark is a light graphic which will print and which will appear onscreen. Light enough so it doesn't obscure the black ink but visible enough that it would make it hard to print more copies and pass them off as legitimately purchased copies. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up?
In Speedy Entry try to enter c e f g, change the e to f flat (enharmonic flip), then try to hide the flat with *. I t isn't possible. I know you wouldn't probably want to hide this accidental but I have encountered situations where you would want to show the accidental after an enharmonic flip and it wasn't possible in speedy. I changed to Simple and it worked there. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhbailey Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 1:58 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up? Mike Cholewa wrote: I have experienced this behavior in WinFin2k7 too. It only concerns Speedy Entry. In Simple Entry there's no problem. I guess it's a bug. Mike Cholewa WinFin2k7 Maybe I'm not understanding the problem, but I just tried it in winfin2007, default document, single staff, entered C, C#, D -- then with the cursor on D I hit the * key and the natural shows up. Could you be more specific in listing the steps you're following where the natural isn't showing up? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] 2007 printing question MM's response
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Israels - snip - Finale 2007/Program Options/Save and Print/uncheck Use Finale's Page Orientation Instead of the Printer's Page Orientation - snip - Could someone please tell where this option resides in WinFin2k7? Is this a Mac only option? Under Finale 2007/Program Options I only have a save option not a print option. Mike ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up?
I just noticed something else. This feature only occurs when I've enharmonically switched the previous note. If I'm entering without a MIDI keyboard, I enter 'C' then sharp it - so it's not enharmonically flipping. If 'favor sharps' is on, then it won't either. Do this: Enter 'Db-D', force natural on the 'D', then change the Db to C#. The natural for me disappears. If this is indeed a bug, I'm surprised no one had mentioned it here or on MM's boards yet. After entering notes for only 5 minutes in 2k7, it stopped me dead in my tracks. By the way, I can run the plug-in to put in cautionaries after the fact, but I like to be more hands-on with them. On Sep 23, 2006, at 7:57 AM, dhbailey wrote: Mike Cholewa wrote: I have experienced this behavior in WinFin2k7 too. It only concerns Speedy Entry. In Simple Entry there's no problem. I guess it's a bug. Mike Cholewa WinFin2k7 Maybe I'm not understanding the problem, but I just tried it in winfin2007, default document, single staff, entered C, C#, D -- then with the cursor on D I hit the * key and the natural shows up. Could you be more specific in listing the steps you're following where the natural isn't showing up? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up with f sharp?
Here's the exact situation which I've just re-created in a new file: Horn in F part, key of F major, hence key sig of no sharps or flats. In speedy enter an F bottom space and press "s" to sharpen it - result - F double sharp. As far as I can see this only happens on F. Cheers, Lawrence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up with f sharp?
Furthermore, pressing "f" to flatten the f natural to an f flat merely inserts a natural sign as though the programme believes it to be an f sharp. This sounds like something to do with the transposition. I'll experiment a bit more, gotto go to a gig now. Cheers, Lawrence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Was: Pdf to potential performer - advice needed
At 11:19 AM +0200 9/23/06, Daniel Wolf wrote: In Germany, the blanket licensing situation is very good, in that I can assume that radio stations, concert halls, schools, or churches will have paid their licenses, and if I can report the performance I will get paid from the blanket license. How true is that now in the US? Can I make the assumption that all schools and Universities have entered into a license arrangement or not? Probably not. Those schools--and more likely universities than secondary schools--which do have blanket licenses probably have them to cover guest concerts presented on campus. This is because performance in the course of normal teaching at a bona fide non-profit educational institution is one of the few exemptions from payment of performance royalties in the Fair Use Guidelines--an exemption very tightly written, but still an exemption. Still, someone who has actually dealt with this on behalf of a school would know better than I. John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up with f sharp?
I'll verify. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat 23-Sep-06 10:19 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up with f sharp? Here's the exact situation which I've just re-created in a new file: Horn in F part, key of F major, hence key sig of no sharps or flats. In speedy enter an F bottom space and press s to sharpen it - result - F double sharp. As far as I can see this only happens on F. Cheers, Lawrence I'll verify. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat 23-Sep-06 10:19 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up with f sharp? Here's the exact situation which I've just re-created in a new file: Horn in F part, key of F major, hence key sig of no sharps or flats. In speedy enter an F bottom space and press s to sharpen it - result - F double sharp. As far as I can see this only happens on F. Cheers, Lawrence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up?
You're right, that doesn't work. Wanna see something even more quirky? Once you make that Fb with the enharmonic flip, hit the - key to lower it another half-step (which should show as an Fbb) and it displays as a D#. Bizarre! But then I rarely do such enharmonic flips, since only rarely is it more helpful than simply dragging the note to the proper location. David Mike Cholewa wrote: In Speedy Entry try to enter c e f g, change the e to f flat (enharmonic flip), then try to hide the flat with *. I t isn't possible. I know you wouldn't probably want to hide this accidental but I have encountered situations where you would want to show the accidental after an enharmonic flip and it wasn't possible in speedy. I changed to Simple and it worked there. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhbailey Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 1:58 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up? Mike Cholewa wrote: I have experienced this behavior in WinFin2k7 too. It only concerns Speedy Entry. In Simple Entry there's no problem. I guess it's a bug. Mike Cholewa WinFin2k7 Maybe I'm not understanding the problem, but I just tried it in winfin2007, default document, single staff, entered C, C#, D -- then with the cursor on D I hit the * key and the natural shows up. Could you be more specific in listing the steps you're following where the natural isn't showing up? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up?
I can't force the natural on the D -- it appears by default and when I hit the * key the natural disappears. With the natural showing, if the first note is changed to C# by whatever method, the natural disappears, as it should. Interestingly enough, though, with that enharmonic flip in place, you can't force the natural at all. Another reason not to use the enharmonic flip, but simply drag the note and have Finale actually change the underlying data. Remember, the enharmonic flip isn't changing the data, it's simply changing the way the data is displayed onscreen. Internally, a Db is a Db is a Db, even when the program is told to display it as a C#. If you drag it to a C and add the sharp, then the data really IS C#. David Rich Caldwell wrote: I just noticed something else. This feature only occurs when I've enharmonically switched the previous note. If I'm entering without a MIDI keyboard, I enter 'C' then sharp it - so it's not enharmonically flipping. If 'favor sharps' is on, then it won't either. Do this: Enter 'Db-D', force natural on the 'D', then change the Db to C#. The natural for me disappears. If this is indeed a bug, I'm surprised no one had mentioned it here or on MM's boards yet. After entering notes for only 5 minutes in 2k7, it stopped me dead in my tracks. By the way, I can run the plug-in to put in cautionaries after the fact, but I like to be more hands-on with them. On Sep 23, 2006, at 7:57 AM, dhbailey wrote: Mike Cholewa wrote: I have experienced this behavior in WinFin2k7 too. It only concerns Speedy Entry. In Simple Entry there's no problem. I guess it's a bug. Mike Cholewa WinFin2k7 Maybe I'm not understanding the problem, but I just tried it in winfin2007, default document, single staff, entered C, C#, D -- then with the cursor on D I hit the * key and the natural shows up. Could you be more specific in listing the steps you're following where the natural isn't showing up? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007 printing question MM's response
Thank you David. Please see my comment and re-read MM's reply below. My hat was off to MM as soon as they came up with the prompt response to the problem (within an hour or two on Friday - I thought I'd have to wait over the weekend). I was so glad that I could print the parts that I didn't take the time to recognize the confused logic in the response. I am baffled by what seems to say, We've changed things to 'this' way so you can do what you need to do, but in order to do what you need to do, please undo what we've done and go back to the old way. Am I alone in reading the reply this way? Seems remarkably perverse. Chuck On Sep 23, 2006, at 4:50 AM, dhbailey wrote: Chuck Israels wrote: Dear Jerry et al, Here's MMs (prompt) response that solved the problem: To accomodate printing score and parts at the same time with different orientations, we now override the printer's orientation to Finale's page orientation by default. However, there are some cases where this is not what you want, so we added a checkbox to restore the previous behavior where the printer orientation prevails. Finale 2007/Program Options/Save and Print/uncheck Use Finale's Page Orientation Instead of the Printer's Page Orientation This is just one more of those things hidden in 2007 that we need to learn and remember. And my hat is off to all those noble pioneers such as Chuck who are putting the program through its paces and sharing all this knowledge with the rest of us! Together we will come up with the knowledge which should have been included in a Befuddled by Fin2007? Read This. document. :-) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up?
It has been mentionned on MM's Forum last week in a post by Peter West I believe.Éric DussaultLe 06-09-23 à 09:49, Rich Caldwell a écrit :If this is indeed a bug, I'm surprised no one had mentioned it here or on MM's boards yet. After entering notes for only 5 minutes in 2k7, it stopped me dead in my tracks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up with f sharp?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the exact situation which I've just re-created in a new file: Horn in F part, key of F major, hence key sig of no sharps or flats. In speedy enter an F bottom space and press s to sharpen it - result - F double sharp. As far as I can see this only happens on F. Yep, you're right, that's what happens and that's wierd. However, it wasn't until your post earlier that I even knew that an S was supposed to sharp a note -- I've always used the + key to raise an entered pitch a half-step, and when I use that method, a single + makes the F into F#. It takes ++ (2 keypresses) to make it into a double sharp. I just tried something else as an experiment, hitting F to see if that would lower a note a half-step, and on the F, nothing happens, but on B, it does make it into Bb. Very bizarre, and definitely a lesson to me, that even though I just learned that 's' and 'f' may be supposed to serve the same function as '+' and '-' they really don't and I'll continue to avoid them just as if I had never learned about them. Maybe you should start using the - and + keys for flats and sharps, Lawrence, and avoid those headaches. :-) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up?
to be more precise, here is the link:http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6m=164013g=164117#m164117Le 06-09-23 à 11:16, Éric Dussault a écrit :It has been mentionned on MM's Forum last week in a post by Peter West I believe.Éric Dussault___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007 printing question MM's response
Well, they did say in some cases ... so we provided a checkbox to restore the previous behavior and that says a lot about MM: 1) they did explain what they did (sometimes rare) 2) they did provide an easy way out (also sometimes rare) 3) they're not forcing the new behavior on every user (which, too, is something rare) A bit perverse, perhaps, but at least they did try to accomodate a wide range of possibilities. :-) David Chuck Israels wrote: Thank you David. Please see my comment and re-read MM's reply below. My hat was off to MM as soon as they came up with the prompt response to the problem (within an hour or two on Friday - I thought I'd have to wait over the weekend). I was so glad that I could print the parts that I didn't take the time to recognize the confused logic in the response. I am baffled by what seems to say, We've changed things to 'this' way so you can do what you need to do, but in order to do what you need to do, please undo what we've done and go back to the old way. Am I alone in reading the reply this way? Seems remarkably perverse. Chuck On Sep 23, 2006, at 4:50 AM, dhbailey wrote: Chuck Israels wrote: Dear Jerry et al, Here's MMs (prompt) response that solved the problem: To accomodate printing score and parts at the same time with different orientations, we now override the printer's orientation to Finale's page orientation by default. However, there are some cases where this is not what you want, so we added a checkbox to restore the previous behavior where the printer orientation prevails. Finale 2007/Program Options/Save and Print/uncheck Use Finale's Page Orientation Instead of the Printer's Page Orientation This is just one more of those things hidden in 2007 that we need to learn and remember. And my hat is off to all those noble pioneers such as Chuck who are putting the program through its paces and sharing all this knowledge with the rest of us! Together we will come up with the knowledge which should have been included in a Befuddled by Fin2007? Read This. document. :-) --David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up?
I can confirm that there is some strange behavior with accidentals in 2k7; I just haven't been able to pin it down. When I encounter some of these things, I'm often not sure if Finale is at fault, or I am, so I can be slow to catch them. As you can see, if you've been following the 2007 saga, sometimes what I consider to be Finale's misbehavior is a result of a misunderstanding on my part. However, I have had these problems with accidentals in speedy: Typing p dose not always force the parenthesized accidental to appear. When that happens, *p will do it. I have had trouble with the Cautionary Accidentals plugin going haywire and putting all kinds of things in, in spite of a careful selection of options. I have abandoned it for the moment and am relying on myself to put them in. Problem with that is that I sometimes don't notice where they're needed. Anyway, I can confirm that I have seen erratic behavior with accidentals in 2k7 - nothing I couldn't override, but not as consistent as it used to be, or needs to be. Chuck On Sep 23, 2006, at 8:02 AM, dhbailey wrote: I can't force the natural on the D -- it appears by default and when I hit the * key the natural disappears. With the natural showing, if the first note is changed to C# by whatever method, the natural disappears, as it should. Interestingly enough, though, with that enharmonic flip in place, you can't force the natural at all. Another reason not to use the enharmonic flip, but simply drag the note and have Finale actually change the underlying data. Remember, the enharmonic flip isn't changing the data, it's simply changing the way the data is displayed onscreen. Internally, a Db is a Db is a Db, even when the program is told to display it as a C#. If you drag it to a C and add the sharp, then the data really IS C#. David Rich Caldwell wrote: I just noticed something else. This feature only occurs when I've enharmonically switched the previous note. If I'm entering without a MIDI keyboard, I enter 'C' then sharp it - so it's not enharmonically flipping. If 'favor sharps' is on, then it won't either. Do this: Enter 'Db-D', force natural on the 'D', then change the Db to C#. The natural for me disappears. If this is indeed a bug, I'm surprised no one had mentioned it here or on MM's boards yet. After entering notes for only 5 minutes in 2k7, it stopped me dead in my tracks. By the way, I can run the plug-in to put in cautionaries after the fact, but I like to be more hands-on with them. On Sep 23, 2006, at 7:57 AM, dhbailey wrote: Mike Cholewa wrote: I have experienced this behavior in WinFin2k7 too. It only concerns Speedy Entry. In Simple Entry there's no problem. I guess it's a bug. Mike Cholewa WinFin2k7 Maybe I'm not understanding the problem, but I just tried it in winfin2007, default document, single staff, entered C, C#, D -- then with the cursor on D I hit the * key and the natural shows up. Could you be more specific in listing the steps you're following where the natural isn't showing up? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up?
I never really thought of how Finale thinks of the notes. I just know that I more often work in atonal work, where I'd be clicking and dragging notes all over the place if that were the only solution. I prefer to keep my hands on the keyboards - a lot quicker. For now, I'll enter the notes with 'favor sharps' on until Finale fixes this. I wonder what broke it? On Sep 23, 2006, at 11:02 AM, dhbailey wrote: I can't force the natural on the D -- it appears by default and when I hit the * key the natural disappears. With the natural showing, if the first note is changed to C# by whatever method, the natural disappears, as it should. Interestingly enough, though, with that enharmonic flip in place, you can't force the natural at all. Another reason not to use the enharmonic flip, but simply drag the note and have Finale actually change the underlying data. Remember, the enharmonic flip isn't changing the data, it's simply changing the way the data is displayed onscreen. Internally, a Db is a Db is a Db, even when the program is told to display it as a C#. If you drag it to a C and add the sharp, then the data really IS C#. David ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Pixelation issues with embedded tiffs
On 22.09.2006 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: My publisher uses a modern copier machine to do his print work; and he uses Microsoft WORD to create the coversheets and files and then blends them all into a PDF to print. On the cover of my edition, I have a transparent tif of the composer's autograph. This was created from a digital photograph at 300 DPI, pulled into Illustrator cleaned up, and then turned into a vector, then exported as transparent tiff. Well, you shouldn't turn it into a vector image. Ideally you should scan it at 1200 dpi, I guess, at least if it is b/w. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007 printing question MM's response
All true. Finale (to me) feels more like a house going through major and (seemingly) haphazard renovations while at the same time the tenants are expected to live there and pay the rent. Great, carbuncular structures are being grafted to it, with a lot of dust to be inhaled then, occasionally, one finds a room with a fan going. I'm so happy! Jerry On 23-Sep-06, at 11:25 AM, dhbailey wrote: Well, they did say in some cases ... so we provided a checkbox to restore the previous behavior and that says a lot about MM: 1) they did explain what they did (sometimes rare) 2) they did provide an easy way out (also sometimes rare) 3) they're not forcing the new behavior on every user (which, too, is something rare) A bit perverse, perhaps, but at least they did try to accomodate a wide range of possibilities. :-) David Chuck Israels wrote: Thank you David. Please see my comment and re-read MM's reply below. My hat was off to MM as soon as they came up with the prompt response to the problem (within an hour or two on Friday - I thought I'd have to wait over the weekend). I was so glad that I could print the parts that I didn't take the time to recognize the confused logic in the response. I am baffled by what seems to say, We've changed things to 'this' way so you can do what you need to do, but in order to do what you need to do, please undo what we've done and go back to the old way. Am I alone in reading the reply this way? Seems remarkably perverse. Chuck On Sep 23, 2006, at 4:50 AM, dhbailey wrote: Chuck Israels wrote: Dear Jerry et al, Here's MMs (prompt) response that solved the problem: To accomodate printing score and parts at the same time with different orientations, we now override the printer's orientation to Finale's page orientation by default. However, there are some cases where this is not what you want, so we added a checkbox to restore the previous behavior where the printer orientation prevails. Finale 2007/Program Options/Save and Print/uncheck Use Finale's Page Orientation Instead of the Printer's Page Orientation This is just one more of those things hidden in 2007 that we need to learn and remember. And my hat is off to all those noble pioneers such as Chuck who are putting the program through its paces and sharing all this knowledge with the rest of us! Together we will come up with the knowledge which should have been included in a Befuddled by Fin2007? Read This. document. :-) --David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Gerald Berg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Is there a COPYING problem in 2007?
I'm sure this has been covered, or at least mentioned, recently, so excuse me for asking this. Is there a wrinkle in the copying process in Fin2007? Can we longer highlight the bar we want copied, then option-shift-click the target area? If so, is there a combination to replace it? Do we now drag everything (or copy and paste)? I don't have 2007 yet, but one of my students has it and the option- shift-click combination doesn't work on her Mac. All the best, KIM R ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Pixelation issues with embedded tiffs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I don't understand is the point of reconverting a vector image to abitmap...Dennis I think because the publisher is using WORD, which doesn't support embedded vector art work (*.ai file variety)? I'm going to the publisher, that he consider using either Quark or Adobe's InDesign, which will give him a lot more options for layout design and typography and image control. Thanks! Kim -- Kim Patrick ClowThere's really only two types of music: good and bad. ~ Rossini ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Pixelation issues with embedded tiffs
dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I don't understand is the point of reconverting a vector image to abitmap.. *snip* Sorry, first reply got out before I finished proofing ;) *snip*I think because the publisher is using WORD, which doesn't support embedded vector art work (*.ai file variety)? I'm going suggestthat the publisherconsider using either Quark or Adobe's InDesign, which will give him a lot more options for layout design and typography and image control. Thanks, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up?
Oops. Never mind about using 'favor sharps' as a workaround. It happens the other way around with flats as well. I have to decide now whether to chuck the time I spent setting up this huge score and start over in 2k6 or stick with it and drag notes or apply the plug-in at the end (and put up with more problems, I hear). Oddly, this is the bug that's bothered me the most in 10 years of using Finale. (bug has been reported to MM, by the way) On Sep 23, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Rich Caldwell wrote: I never really thought of how Finale thinks of the notes. I just know that I more often work in atonal work, where I'd be clicking and dragging notes all over the place if that were the only solution. I prefer to keep my hands on the keyboards - a lot quicker. For now, I'll enter the notes with 'favor sharps' on until Finale fixes this. I wonder what broke it? On Sep 23, 2006, at 11:02 AM, dhbailey wrote: I can't force the natural on the D -- it appears by default and when I hit the * key the natural disappears. With the natural showing, if the first note is changed to C# by whatever method, the natural disappears, as it should. Interestingly enough, though, with that enharmonic flip in place, you can't force the natural at all. Another reason not to use the enharmonic flip, but simply drag the note and have Finale actually change the underlying data. Remember, the enharmonic flip isn't changing the data, it's simply changing the way the data is displayed onscreen. Internally, a Db is a Db is a Db, even when the program is told to display it as a C#. If you drag it to a C and add the sharp, then the data really IS C#. David ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Was: Pdf to potential performer - advice needed
At 8:03 AM -0400 9/23/06, dhbailey wrote: I'm not a copyright lawyer, but to the best of my understanding the following is true: In the US, accredited educational institutions are exempt from performance royalties, if the performances occur during the normal school hours and are a part of the curriculum. Evening performances, things billed as concerts are still required to pay performance royalties. There may have been a court case with this outcome, but this is NOT in the Fair Use Guidelines. The wording is something like, performance in the normal course of instruction, but nowhere is the time of day specified. If an evening performance is normal it would be covered. The exemption is not tied to actual classroom use, as are some of the other provisions. What the publishers wanted to do was to close the loophole in the 1909 law that only allowed them to collect performance royalties in for-profit situations, a situation which led my father and most other school chorus, band and orchestra directors to go to a suggested donation format for admissions. (Well, the real reason AT THE TIME was to avoid the entertainment tax levied to help pay for WW 2, but the result was the same.) Some of the restrictions on this exemption are that admission not be charged, or if it is charged the proceeds be used only for educational or charitable purposes, and that no one profit from the performances, including guest artists. Those provisions alone suggest that it is exactly concert performances that are meant. An interesting gotcha in the Guidelines is that the exemption applies only to non-profit educational institutions, which if taken literally means that private, for-profit schools are NOT exempt from paying performance royalties. That's the kind of thing that lurks in the background until a court case results in an interpretation of the law, or in this case of the Guidelines agreed to by the Music Publishers Association. You might be thinking about the religious exemption, which exempts performances in the course of religious services but does not exempt performances that simply use the church's facilities without their being a religious service, and which quite often do take place in the evening. And like David, I'm not an attorney, just a musician trying to puzzle out this whole mess!! John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 and JW Space Systems
I have added a couple of free downloads to my download site. These are updates of some of Jari Williamsson's things, which I hope he won't mind if I host. (I'll take them down if he does.) Right now, there are 2 items: the last Mac PDKTools (v2.16) and a Universal Binary version of JW Space Systems. The latter does not require PDKTools. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is there a COPYING problem in 2007?
On Sep 23, 2006, at 12:36 PM, Kim Richmond wrote: I'm sure this has been covered, or at least mentioned, recently, so excuse me for asking this. Is there a wrinkle in the copying process in Fin2007? Can we longer highlight the bar we want copied, then option-shift-click the target area? If so, is there a combination to replace it? Do we now drag everything (or copy and paste)? I don't have 2007 yet, but one of my students has it and the option-shift-click combination doesn't work on her Mac. All the best, KIM R As far as I can tell, everything is fine there. There is one little change we saw where you can't overlap the source section with the target section any more, but other than that, all is the same. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Pdf to potential performer - advice needed
Thanks to everyone who chipped in on this topic. I received a number of takes on how to handle my situation, which is so often the case on this list. This always seems to help sort things out and, at least this time, I feel like I haven't overlooked anything important. I decided to go the route Noel suggested and send pdfs of several pages of the score and one of the parts, and quote my best take on a market price for the score if he has further interest. I decided not to use a watermark this time around because, apparently, I don't own the necessary software, and I was able handle (and deliver) Noel's suggestion in a more timely fashion. I may check that option out another time. FYI, I'll answer some of John Howell's queries. 1. Is this artist a conductor, and instrumental soloist, a vocal soloist, a chamber musician? instrumental soloist - classical mandolinist 2. For what forces is your composition written? The piece is a chamber orchestra work for 2 mondolin soloists, guitar and strings. 3. Do you have a demo to send, even if it is only a MIDI demo? I have a live recording of a Nashville Chamber Orchestra performance, which I offered when I sent the pdfs. The NCO commissioned the piece and have programmed it three times, the third of which is coming up Oct. 14 in the new Schermerhorn Symphony Center here in Nashville. 4. Are you a member of ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC (which would take care of the performance rights question)? Yes - ASCAP 5. When you say yet unpublished what is the possibility of publication in the future, and if you are in negotiation with a publisher would this have any negative effect on that negotiation? I haven't pursued publication, but may try to do that if I don't decide to sell it myself on line. I didn't think this potential sale or another performance would adversely affect a publishing deal though, and would have thought that, if anything, it just might help. One thought I had was to put some sort of watermark, or the like, on several pages of the score. Has anyone done this? Is there some way to do this in Finale so that it would show up and print out in pdf form? And this would accomplish what? I don't mean at all to be sarcastic, but I see no advantage to you in any way. Perhaps I don't understand your use of the word watermark, which is certainly NOT a watermark at all in the historical sense. I had in mind David Bailey's recent understanding of the term watermark, not the traditional definition, which I think you are referring to. It all depends on how badly someone wants to steal something; deterrents can only go so far. Don Hart ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video
If you want to see music engraving done old school, there is a fascinating video at this URL: http://www.henle.de/video/vollversion/Notenstich_E.wmv -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 and JW Space Systems
Thanks Robert. Much obliged. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 23 Sep 2006, at 1:32 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: I have added a couple of free downloads to my download site. These are updates of some of Jari Williamsson's things, which I hope he won't mind if I host. (I'll take them down if he does.) Right now, there are 2 items: the last Mac PDKTools (v2.16) and a Universal Binary version of JW Space Systems. The latter does not require PDKTools. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is there a COPYING problem in 2007?
Chris, The little change is exactly what Kim was writing about -- Can we longer highlight the bar we want copied, then option-shift-click the *target* [emphasis added] area? The answer is no. This is an incredibly annoying bug. MM are aware of it, but it couldn't hurt to write them and add your voice to those requesting a fix for maintenance. Drag-copy doesn't work within the selected area either. You must cut, then select your target area, and paste. (Shift-left arrow can be helpful here.) I don't consider this a little change by any means. It's a huge productivity-killer for me. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 23 Sep 2006, at 2:05 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 23, 2006, at 12:36 PM, Kim Richmond wrote: I'm sure this has been covered, or at least mentioned, recently, so excuse me for asking this. Is there a wrinkle in the copying process in Fin2007? Can we longer highlight the bar we want copied, then option-shift-click the target area? If so, is there a combination to replace it? Do we now drag everything (or copy and paste)? I don't have 2007 yet, but one of my students has it and the option-shift-click combination doesn't work on her Mac. All the best, KIM R As far as I can tell, everything is fine there. There is one little change we saw where you can't overlap the source section with the target section any more, but other than that, all is the same. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video
Great video. It makes our complaints seem petty and pathetic. Richard Yates http://www.henle.de/video/vollversion/Notenstich_E.wmv -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is there a COPYING problem in 2007?
Oops, I read much too hastily and mentally inserted words into Kim's post that were not there! To answer Kim's question: Opt-shift-click and opt-click still work, but only if your target measure is *oustside* the selected area. If the target measure is *within* the selected area, the copy operation won't work. (Neither will drag and drop.) Hope that clears things up. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 23 Sep 2006, at 5:30 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Chris, The little change is exactly what Kim was writing about -- Can we longer highlight the bar we want copied, then option-shift-click the *target* [emphasis added] area? The answer is no. This is an incredibly annoying bug. MM are aware of it, but it couldn't hurt to write them and add your voice to those requesting a fix for maintenance. Drag-copy doesn't work within the selected area either. You must cut, then select your target area, and paste. (Shift-left arrow can be helpful here.) I don't consider this a little change by any means. It's a huge productivity-killer for me. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 23 Sep 2006, at 2:05 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 23, 2006, at 12:36 PM, Kim Richmond wrote: I'm sure this has been covered, or at least mentioned, recently, so excuse me for asking this. Is there a wrinkle in the copying process in Fin2007? Can we longer highlight the bar we want copied, then option-shift-click the target area? If so, is there a combination to replace it? Do we now drag everything (or copy and paste)? I don't have 2007 yet, but one of my students has it and the option-shift-click combination doesn't work on her Mac. All the best, KIM R As far as I can tell, everything is fine there. There is one little change we saw where you can't overlap the source section with the target section any more, but other than that, all is the same. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video
Astounding! Chuck On Sep 23, 2006, at 2:27 PM, Richard Yates wrote: Great video. It makes our complaints seem petty and pathetic. Richard Yates http://www.henle.de/video/vollversion/Notenstich_E.wmv -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] TG tools
A couple of days ago I downloaded the new TG tools stuff from the URL suggested. Now none of my TG tools work. I'm on FinMac 2007. I tried the Opt/Control R click process, but it didn't work. Any thoughts? Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you ever heard of an eleven or thirteen step program? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TG tools
I downloaded them about the same time as you and mine are working fine; at least harmonics and Alt. Bass are. I Select the desired measures and use the TGTools menu items, though. Maybe there is a prefs file you need to delete or a older .bundle file that didn't get replaced. **Leigh On Sat, Sep 23, 2006, Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of days ago I downloaded the new TG tools stuff from the URL suggested. Now none of my TG tools work. I'm on FinMac 2007. I tried the Opt/Control R click process, but it didn't work. Any thoughts? Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you ever heard of an eleven or thirteen step program? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is there a COPYING problem in 2007?
Hi Kim, If you're coming from 2005 or earlier, a new behavior in the program is that copying with opt/shift/click automatically brings up the Items to Copy dialog box, which is handy once you get used to it. Opt/click copies as before, without bringing up the dialog. Maybe that's the difference your student noticed. Don Hart on 9/23/06 4:37 PM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops, I read much too hastily and mentally inserted words into Kim's post that were not there! To answer Kim's question: Opt-shift-click and opt-click still work, but only if your target measure is *oustside* the selected area. If the target measure is *within* the selected area, the copy operation won't work. (Neither will drag and drop.) Hope that clears things up. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 23 Sep 2006, at 5:30 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Chris, The little change is exactly what Kim was writing about -- Can we longer highlight the bar we want copied, then option-shift-click the *target* [emphasis added] area? The answer is no. This is an incredibly annoying bug. MM are aware of it, but it couldn't hurt to write them and add your voice to those requesting a fix for maintenance. Drag-copy doesn't work within the selected area either. You must cut, then select your target area, and paste. (Shift-left arrow can be helpful here.) I don't consider this a little change by any means. It's a huge productivity-killer for me. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 23 Sep 2006, at 2:05 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 23, 2006, at 12:36 PM, Kim Richmond wrote: I'm sure this has been covered, or at least mentioned, recently, so excuse me for asking this. Is there a wrinkle in the copying process in Fin2007? Can we longer highlight the bar we want copied, then option-shift-click the target area? If so, is there a combination to replace it? Do we now drag everything (or copy and paste)? I don't have 2007 yet, but one of my students has it and the option-shift-click combination doesn't work on her Mac. All the best, KIM R As far as I can tell, everything is fine there. There is one little change we saw where you can't overlap the source section with the target section any more, but other than that, all is the same. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Pdf to potential performer - advice needed
On 23 Sep 2006 at 14:51, Don Hart wrote: I decided not to use a watermark this time around because, apparently, I don't own the necessary software The free editing tools from pdf995.com can do a watermark through its stationery feature. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Pdf to potential performer - advice needed
I checked the page out and couldn't find any mention of support for Mac. Otherwise, I'd definitely be interested. Does anyone know of a similar product (free) for the mac? Thanks, Don Hart on 9/23/06 8:42 PM, David W. Fenton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 23 Sep 2006 at 14:51, Don Hart wrote: I decided not to use a watermark this time around because, apparently, I don't own the necessary software The free editing tools from pdf995.com can do a watermark through its stationery feature. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video
Absolutely fascinating!! J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 23, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Randolph Peters wrote: If you want to see music engraving done old school, there is a fascinating video at this URL: http://www.henle.de/video/vollversion/Notenstich_E.wmv -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Pdf to potential performer - advice needed
Don Hart wrote: I decided not to use a watermark this time around because, apparently, I don't own the necessary software, and I was able handle (and deliver) Noel's suggestion in a more timely fashion. The last two _printers_ that I used extensively for Finale both had a watermark option as part of the printer software. The printers in question were an Epson 1120 inkjet, and a Ricoh Aficio 610 N laser printer. I haven't used the feature in either system (Although I seem to remember using it once on the Epson, just to get a feel for how it worked; but the Epson failed about a year ago, so I don't remember for certain, now.) So my advice is to check your printer software, and see if some sort of a watermark is not supported there. As far as an alternative that runs on MAC for pdf995, I prefer the Ghostscript / Ghostview combination. These are open source packages that do run on the MAC. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TG tools
Hey, thanks. I think I stumbled upon the correct icons to click, and it seemed to work ok. I'll test it out some more and see. Dean On Sep 23, 2006, at 4:12 PM, Leigh Daniels wrote: I downloaded them about the same time as you and mine are working fine; at least harmonics and Alt. Bass are. I Select the desired measures and use the TGTools menu items, though. Maybe there is a prefs file you need to delete or a older .bundle file that didn't get replaced. **Leigh On Sat, Sep 23, 2006, Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of days ago I downloaded the new TG tools stuff from the URL suggested. Now none of my TG tools work. I'm on FinMac 2007. I tried the Opt/Control R click process, but it didn't work. Any thoughts? Dean Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you ever heard of an eleven or thirteen step program? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you ever heard of an eleven or thirteen step program? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video
I started to open the URL, but it was taking so long, I gave up. Maybe I'll relax and try again. Dean On Sep 23, 2006, at 7:10 PM, ThomaStudios wrote: Absolutely fascinating!! J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 23, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Randolph Peters wrote: If you want to see music engraving done old school, there is a fascinating video at this URL: http://www.henle.de/video/vollversion/Notenstich_E.wmv -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you ever heard of an eleven or thirteen step program? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
