[Finale] Printers used
I have learned much from the thread concerning binding. I now pose an even more basic question: What printers are recommended for your oversized pages? I would like to purchase one capable of printing larger that 8.5" x 14". Thoughts? Steve ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 7/4
Why not use 3+3 over 8 and 3/4 in the next box and THEN choose to display the time signature of 7/4? I just tried it in Finale 2006 for Mac and it works. yes this would be the best way i think... one thing to add, set up a metatool if it occurs more than once in the piece. the only issue is that the time sig does NOT reflect what is beamed. that's another question though. -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] (no subject)
Why not use 3+3 over 8 and 3/4 in the next box and THEN choose to display the time signature of 7/4? I just tried it in Finale 2006 for Mac and it works. ___ J. Scott Jones Band/Orchestra Director/Freelance Trumpet Player-Teacher/Music Engraver On Feb 10, 2007, at 8:39 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 10 Feb 2007 at 20:11, dhbailey wrote: Clay Zambo wrote: I have a piece that's written in 7/4, and I'd like to re-notate it for clarity as 6/8 + 4/4. That's easy enough to do, but 6/8 is, to Finale, 6 distinct 8th notes rather than two groups of 3. Were I notating whole measures in 6/8, I could easily choose "two dotted quarters per measure" as the meter, but I don't see how to do that in the Composite Meter box. Can anyone tell me? Make one box 3 + 3 over 8 and the next box 4/4? This is just a suggestion to try -- I haven't experimented to see if it would work. While that gets the beaming right, it displays time sig of 3+3/8 + 4/4 -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] (no subject)
On 10 Feb 2007 at 20:11, dhbailey wrote: > Clay Zambo wrote: > > I have a piece that's written in 7/4, and I'd like to re-notate it > > for clarity as 6/8 + 4/4. That's easy enough to do, but 6/8 is, to > > Finale, 6 distinct 8th notes rather than two groups of 3. > > > > Were I notating whole measures in 6/8, I could easily choose "two > > dotted quarters per measure" as the meter, but I don't see how to do > > that in the Composite Meter box. > > > > Can anyone tell me? > > Make one box 3 + 3 over 8 and the next box 4/4? This is just a > suggestion to try -- I haven't experimented to see if it would work. While that gets the beaming right, it displays time sig of 3+3/8 + 4/4 -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: binding parts: electrical tape
Music prep offices in LA do the following: Parts are printed on 9.5" x 12.5" paper, single sheets (because 19" wide paper doesn't fit thru large format laser printers). Taping is always done on the outside of the fold. We use 1/2" white paper tape. I use American Tape brand for around $2/roll. Some people use a taping machine. I prefer to do it by laying the pages flat next to each other with a 1mm space between them, then apply the tape from the top down directly from the roll with a small bit (1/2 inch or so) sticking over the top. Then I use a straight razor blade to cut the bottom (directly from the roll) and the top small piece. This only takes a couple of seconds per page when you get used to the technique. Nobody that I know of uses scotch tape, masking tape or electrical tape. We all use white paper tape. Hope this helps, Brian Williams ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] music out of sync
Bob Florence wrote: Hi All: The piece I am working os in 6/4 from bar 1 to bar 192. It then changes to 3/2 from bar 193 until the end. At bar 231 the saxes become out of sync with the brass. There are 2 altos, to tenors and 2 baritones. The saxes are out of sync as a section. This has happened 3 times. When I begin work in the morning, I always save what I am working on as the title and the date. I have only had this happen with Finale/Mac 2007 a and b. I'm glad I have no deadline as it is quite a chore to fix the problem. Thanks for any help. It sounds as if you might have one measure in one part with an extra note or rest in it, perhaps a tuplet which wasn't defined properly? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] (no subject)
Clay Zambo wrote: I have a piece that's written in 7/4, and I'd like to re-notate it for clarity as 6/8 + 4/4. That's easy enough to do, but 6/8 is, to Finale, 6 distinct 8th notes rather than two groups of 3. Were I notating whole measures in 6/8, I could easily choose "two dotted quarters per measure" as the meter, but I don't see how to do that in the Composite Meter box. Can anyone tell me? Make one box 3 + 3 over 8 and the next box 4/4? This is just a suggestion to try -- I haven't experimented to see if it would work. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] binding parts: electrical tape
John Howell wrote: At 3:36 PM +0100 2/9/07, shirling & neueweise wrote: I'd really like to know, how you bind your music with it. Do you only stick two pages together, or do you make real booklets with more pages? How? i print to 9.5x12.5 2-sided, then prepare as a booklet, one piece of tape per pair of pages. tiny bit of space between the pages varies according to whether they are "outer" or "inner" pairs (so the right edges are even in the end) then lay the pairs on top of each other in order -lightly so they don't really stick together yet), bring outer edges together, tap vertically on table to align everything, grab the part on the binding (to hold it centred) and staple twice in the bind with one of those long-armed staplers. simple, effective, flat, lies flat. don't remember exactly but i think i did 62 parts (~3 pairs of pages avg.) in around 2hrs. I guess my 3-dimensional perception just hasn't kicked in yet this morning, but I can't picture where the tape goes in a booklet, or why you would use it. I too favor booklets unless I have a part with absolutely NO possible page turns and I have to find another solution, but after fitting the pages together I simply staple them on the fold, as you do. John Often booklets which are originally 11x17 folded in half may have a single 2-sided 8.5x11 sheet in the middle, which is loose even after the booklet has been stapled. But other times people simply print on 8.5x11 and then tape them into booklets. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] music out of sync
Carl Dershem wrote: Bob Florence wrote: Hi All: The piece I am working os in 6/4 from bar 1 to bar 192. It then changes to 3/2 from bar 193 until the end. At bar 231 the saxes become out of sync with the brass. There are 2 altos, to tenors and 2 baritones. The saxes are out of sync as a section. This has happened 3 times. When I begin work in the morning, I always save what I am working on as the title and the date. I have only had this happen with Finale/Mac 2007 a and b. I'm glad I have no deadline as it is quite a chore to fix the problem. Thanks for any help. Bob Florence How far out of sync? Only on playback, or are the actual notes shifted? cd > The actual notes are shifted. BF ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] music out of sync
Bob Florence wrote: Hi All: The piece I am working os in 6/4 from bar 1 to bar 192. It then changes to 3/2 from bar 193 until the end. At bar 231 the saxes become out of sync with the brass. There are 2 altos, to tenors and 2 baritones. The saxes are out of sync as a section. This has happened 3 times. When I begin work in the morning, I always save what I am working on as the title and the date. I have only had this happen with Finale/Mac 2007 a and b. I'm glad I have no deadline as it is quite a chore to fix the problem. Thanks for any help. Bob Florence How far out of sync? Only on playback, or are the actual notes shifted? cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# http://members.cox.net/dershem ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 7/4
n 10 Feb 2007, at 4:57 PM, shirling & neueweise wrote: darcy, can you get decmial places to work there!? (i don't think so) Oops, my bad -- decimals work as the numerator but not the denominator. You're right that you need to use EDUs in this case. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 10 Feb 2007, at 4:57 PM, shirling & neueweise wrote: darcy, can you get decmial places to work there!? (i don't think so) select EDUs: 2/1536 + 4/1024 (quarters beamed separately) 2/1536 + 2/2048 (quarters beamed in groups of 2 [i.e. as half notes]) 1/1.5 + 1/1.5 + 2/4 + 2/4 (or "... + 1/2 + 1/2," depending on whether you'd rather manually fix the sixteenth note beams or the eighth note beams). -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] music out of sync
Hi All: The piece I am working os in 6/4 from bar 1 to bar 192. It then changes to 3/2 from bar 193 until the end. At bar 231 the saxes become out of sync with the brass. There are 2 altos, to tenors and 2 baritones. The saxes are out of sync as a section. This has happened 3 times. When I begin work in the morning, I always save what I am working on as the title and the date. I have only had this happen with Finale/Mac 2007 a and b. I'm glad I have no deadline as it is quite a chore to fix the problem. Thanks for any help. Bob Florence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 7/4
darcy, can you get decmial places to work there!? (i don't think so) select EDUs: 2/1536 + 4/1024 (quarters beamed separately) 2/1536 + 2/2048 (quarters beamed in groups of 2 [i.e. as half notes]) 1/1.5 + 1/1.5 + 2/4 + 2/4 (or "... + 1/2 + 1/2," depending on whether you'd rather manually fix the sixteenth note beams or the eighth note beams). -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] 7/4
1/1.5 + 1/1.5 + 2/4 + 2/4 (or "... + 1/2 + 1/2," depending on whether you'd rather manually fix the sixteenth note beams or the eighth note beams). - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 10 Feb 2007, at 4:11 PM, Clay Zambo wrote: I have a piece that's written in 7/4, and I'd like to re-notate it for clarity as 6/8 + 4/4. That's easy enough to do, but 6/8 is, to Finale, 6 distinct 8th notes rather than two groups of 3. Were I notating whole measures in 6/8, I could easily choose "two dotted quarters per measure" as the meter, but I don't see how to do that in the Composite Meter box. Can anyone tell me? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] binding parts: electrical tape
Jef, when you're not using electrical tape, what do you normally use? the canadian music centre (montréal branch). i normally send the jobs to them to print, bind and mail (and usually never see the printed parts!), but this was a really big and long job and in the end i didn't have time to send and have them mail the parts back to me, so did it myself. Jef's solution is actually very clever -- the guys in the CMC atelier showed me that. it's also because of their format that i began using the slightly larger format. Any tips to keep the layers of tape from sticking to each other? place it right in the first place (ugh). i honestly don't know how electrical tape holds up over time. i'm not terribly concerned with this particular job either, knowing the composer will inevitably continue to make changes, so a new set of parts will have to be done for the next performance anyways. and i seriously doubt that the orchestra that played from the parts i did will do it again; in fact maybe they really shouldn't be playing new music at all. -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] (no subject)
I have a piece that's written in 7/4, and I'd like to re-notate it for clarity as 6/8 + 4/4. That's easy enough to do, but 6/8 is, to Finale, 6 distinct 8th notes rather than two groups of 3. Were I notating whole measures in 6/8, I could easily choose "two dotted quarters per measure" as the meter, but I don't see how to do that in the Composite Meter box. Can anyone tell me? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] binding parts: electrical tape
John, Jef is doing something which I'd honestly never before considered or heard of, which is to print double sided (on 9.5"x12.5" paper), then tape pairs of pages together in booklet order, then staple on the *tape*. Not only does it make oversize booklets viable, It's actually better than regular booklets because tape makes a much better hinge than folded paper. I'm very disappointed in the VPC system -- it's fast, but it's a terrible long-term solution. If the parts see any use at all, the pages are constantly coming out, and I'm always having to add reinforcing strips of tape inside the booklet. Jef's solution is actually very clever -- Jef, when you're not using electrical tape, what do you normally use? Any tips to keep the layers of tape from sticking to each other? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 10 Feb 2007, at 11:54 AM, John Howell wrote: At 3:36 PM +0100 2/9/07, shirling & neueweise wrote: I'd really like to know, how you bind your music with it. Do you only stick two pages together, or do you make real booklets with more pages? How? i print to 9.5x12.5 2-sided, then prepare as a booklet, one piece of tape per pair of pages. tiny bit of space between the pages varies according to whether they are "outer" or "inner" pairs (so the right edges are even in the end) then lay the pairs on top of each other in order -lightly so they don't really stick together yet), bring outer edges together, tap vertically on table to align everything, grab the part on the binding (to hold it centred) and staple twice in the bind with one of those long-armed staplers. simple, effective, flat, lies flat. don't remember exactly but i think i did 62 parts (~3 pairs of pages avg.) in around 2hrs. I guess my 3-dimensional perception just hasn't kicked in yet this morning, but I can't picture where the tape goes in a booklet, or why you would use it. I too favor booklets unless I have a part with absolutely NO possible page turns and I have to find another solution, but after fitting the pages together I simply staple them on the fold, as you do. John -- John & Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Large format printing
>you can't print 12.5x19 without going to offset printing. i find the >extra 1/2 inch H/W (larger than 9x12) offers me an excellent The Xante Accel-a-Writer 4G will print up to 13" x 35.5" (the 4N model does 13" x 18.5"). Resolution up to 2400dpi (1200dpi w/4N). Paper weight is up to 135 g/m2. Auto-duplexing is only available up to A3, unfortunately. I've tried to address the need for large format printers in the engraving community in the past but without success. Maybe it's time to add the Xante printers to our online store. Interested anyone? Maybe also electrical tape...?! ;) Nick Dr Nick Carter, Owner, npc Imaging, 2228 Magowan Drive, Santa Rosa, CA 95405 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.npcimaging.com Tel/fax: +1 (707) 573 9361 Solectria EV owner. "Spare the air every day - drive electric!" ** ** New digital Beethoven edition (9,000+ pages) & 1911 Grove! ** ** Ted Ross and Stiller Handbook on CD-ROM and many books ** ** including Powell 2nd ed., Stone, etc. 340+ Dover scores. ** ** CoachMe - Complete Opera/Soloist Roles on audio CD ** ** 64 CD sheet music titles: thousands of pages from $9.95! ** ** ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] binding parts: electrical tape
I guess my 3-dimensional perception just hasn't kicked in yet this morning, but I can't picture where the tape goes in a booklet, or why you would use it. I too favor booklets unless I have a part with absolutely NO possible page turns and I have to find another solution, but after fitting the pages together I simply staple them on the fold, as you do. you can't print 12.5x19 without going to offset printing. i find the extra 1/2 inch H/W (larger than 9x12) offers me an excellent proportion between a more or less standard size and flexibility for layout. remember i do almost exclusively new music, and the layout concerns, because of the different nature of a number of aspects of the notational demands, make excellence in layout sometime a particular problem in smaller formats. -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] binding parts: electrical tape
At 3:36 PM +0100 2/9/07, shirling & neueweise wrote: I'd really like to know, how you bind your music with it. Do you only stick two pages together, or do you make real booklets with more pages? How? i print to 9.5x12.5 2-sided, then prepare as a booklet, one piece of tape per pair of pages. tiny bit of space between the pages varies according to whether they are "outer" or "inner" pairs (so the right edges are even in the end) then lay the pairs on top of each other in order -lightly so they don't really stick together yet), bring outer edges together, tap vertically on table to align everything, grab the part on the binding (to hold it centred) and staple twice in the bind with one of those long-armed staplers. simple, effective, flat, lies flat. don't remember exactly but i think i did 62 parts (~3 pairs of pages avg.) in around 2hrs. I guess my 3-dimensional perception just hasn't kicked in yet this morning, but I can't picture where the tape goes in a booklet, or why you would use it. I too favor booklets unless I have a part with absolutely NO possible page turns and I have to find another solution, but after fitting the pages together I simply staple them on the fold, as you do. John -- John & Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
