[Finale] NEW part
I have a score in MacFin2007c. I want to add a tuba part. I add the part by double-clicking between the trombone section and the guitar. I enter the music. I go to the linked part and it's a blank page, no staves, no music. What did I do wrong and how do I remedy it? The tuba part shows in the Manage Parts page. I can do a Special Part Extraction and get the part in a separate file, but how do I access the tuba part in the same file as a linked part? All the best, KIM R ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] horn transposition question
The fact that french horns (corno) was originally written one octave above in soprano clef, and in actual pitch in basso, explain the difference from bas and clef transposition. To calculate from notation in a transposed part to actual sound: find the interval in relation to C (below) and add it to the instruments fundamental. From actual sound to notation: find the interval in relation to the instruments fundamental and add it to C (above). On Mar 21, 2007, at 12:11 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: Except that there are no worms in this case (an 18th cent composition). A top-line bass clef A is possible on a natural horn only if the bass clef is old notation. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: tuplet numbers gone missing in PDF
On Mar 19, 2007, at 1:35 PM, shirling neueweise wrote: this doesn't seem to be related to finale, but in some recent work the numbers for all tuplets in 3 of 52 parts disappeared at some point in the production process. Possibly unrelated, but years ago on an older computer I used to have memory problems in communicating with my printer. One symptom I experienced was that jobs for a certain client tended to drop the tuplet numbers. The reason was font-related. He liked the tuplet numbers in bold italic, and it was the only thing in the piece that was both bold and italic. Evidently that font was the last to load and when the data to the printer was too much that font somehow got dropped. I still don't understand the details, but I got in the habit of printing the tuplet numbers in normal italic for my own draft and then switching to bold italic right before sending the PDF. Probably has nothing to do with your problem, but if it so happens that your tuplet numbers are in a font that nothing else in the piece is in, you might suspect a font problem of some sort. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] horn transposition question
On 20 mrt 2007, at 15:37, Martin Banner wrote: Also, if I have a horn in G written in bass clef, what concert pitch will actually sound if I write an A on fifth line (A right below middle C). that depends. In older notation it should have sound as D4 (D above middle C) In modern notation however as d (middle line in bass clef. Thanks, Martin Do not forget, the horn is in G. not F. Therefore, on the assumption this is an old horn part, a written A on the fifth line of the bass clef will sound E above middle C. Regards, Michael Lawlor mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] horn transposition question
I'm sorry! You're right of course. I should have read the question more carefully. Hans === On 21 mrt 2007, at 09:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20 mrt 2007, at 15:37, Martin Banner wrote: Also, if I have a horn in G written in bass clef, what concert pitch will actually sound if I write an A on fifth line (A right below middle C). that depends. In older notation it should have sound as D4 (D above middle C) In modern notation however as d (middle line in bass clef. Thanks, Martin Do not forget, the horn is in G. not F. Therefore, on the assumption this is an old horn part, a written A on the fifth line of the bass clef will sound E above middle C. Regards, Michael Lawlor mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Outgoing mail checked by Norton Antivirus ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] NEW part
Kim Richmond wrote: I have a score in MacFin2007c. I want to add a tuba part. I add the part by double-clicking between the trombone section and the guitar. I enter the music. I go to the linked part and it's a blank page, no staves, no music. What did I do wrong and how do I remedy it? The tuba part shows in the Manage Parts page. I can do a Special Part Extraction and get the part in a separate file, but how do I access the tuba part in the same file as a linked part? All the best, KIM R ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I believe you have to generate the part manually. BUT (and this is a VERY important BUT!) when you go to the Manage Parts dialog, be certain to clear the long list of the already generated parts and ONLY list the new part you want generated, or it will generate an entire new list of parts, undoing any part formatting you may have already done. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] NEW part
At 02:45 AM 3/21/2007, Kim Richmond wrote: I have a score in MacFin2007c. I want to add a tuba part. I add the part by double-clicking between the trombone section and the guitar. I enter the music. I go to the linked part and it's a blank page, no staves, no music. What did I do wrong and how do I remedy it? The tuba part shows in the Manage Parts page. In Manage Parts, click on Edit Part Definition. Then select your Tuba part and make sure the Tuba staff is included in it. (I'm guessing it's not.) Click OK when you're done, *not* Generate Parts. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] NEW part
At 06:23 AM 3/21/2007, dhbailey wrote: I believe you have to generate the part manually. BUT (and this is a VERY important BUT!) when you go to the Manage Parts dialog, be certain to clear the long list of the already generated parts and ONLY list the new part you want generated, or it will generate an entire new list of parts, undoing any part formatting you may have already done. What?? No, I don't think this is what you mean. If you clear the list of already generated parts, using the Delete button, then those parts will disappear once you hit OK in the Manage Parts dialog. What you do want to be careful of is that you don't hit the Generate Parts button after you already have some linked parts, because that will delete all your existing parts and auto-create new parts for your score. (Finale will warn you about this first.) If you are manually adding parts, the correct procedure is to use the New Part button, define your part, and then hit OK. This will add the new part and preserve your existing parts. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] NEW part
On 21.03.2007 Aaron Sherber wrote: What you do want to be careful of is that you don't hit the Generate Parts button after you already have some linked parts, because that will delete all your existing parts and auto-create new parts for your score. (Finale will warn you about this first.) If you are manually adding parts, the correct procedure is to use the New Part button, define your part, and then hit OK. This will add the new part and preserve your existing parts. I don't know what others think, but personally I see this as one of the most unintuitive implementations in Finale. The potential risk of error, and consequential disaster is so high, it is like putting a huge note on the screen saying throw your computer out of the window now or it will explode. Or worse. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: tuplet numbers gone missing in PDF
This has happened to me, in FinMac 2005. I didn't use 2006, and haven't done a project yet in 2007. The culprit turned out to be smart tuplets, which caused tuplet numbers and brackets on occasion to disappear at random when exporting for printing (pdf or eps). Whenever this has happened to me, I would convert the offending tuplets to not smart and they suddenly show up. Then I would carefully proof that page to make sure some other tuplet didn't disappear. At least, with pdf or eps, once you've got it right, it stays that way exactly. David Froom On 20 Mar 2007, at 1:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this doesn't seem to be related to finale, but in some recent work the numbers for all tuplets in 3 of 52 parts disappeared at some point in the production process. i had compiled sections of instruments into separate PDF docs (winds; perc+harps+pno; vlns; vla-vc-cb), and in the two harp parts and the piano part (in the compiled doc), the tuplet numbers are gone. they are in at least one of the originals (i have since made small corrections and reprinted the 2 others to PDF). the pno and hps were integrated into the doc (which also contains timpani and 3 perc parts) right after each other; this problem doesn't appear anywhere else in any other part. has anyone else ever come across this? doubtful it has anything to do with finale, but for the record, F07, linked parts. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Midi troubles
Dear Subscribers: I recently bought an iMac 2.16 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo and have installed Finale 2007 c. I have a problem with the MIDI devices:I followed the manual instructions but no device was being recognized. Here are my devices. MIDI controller keyboard: ROLAND PC 200 MK II Sound module: ROLAND Sound Canvas sc-88 vl MIDI interface Emagic mt/4 (2 way in, 4 way out, connected to the computer via USB). With my old MAC G3 and Finale 2002 I used the keyboard a lot (speedy entry) which, as far as I understand, is the only way to work with the Garritan Jazz Band (I bought the complete one). The Emagic interface has been given me by my son and, while in his G4 it works, in my computer it does not. I have been told that said interface is not compatible with Intel. As far as I have understood also Garritan does not work in Intel machines, they say that un updating to that extent will be issued by springtime. Your help will be very much welcome. Thanks a lot in advance. Francesco Lamberti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] NEW part
Aaron Sherber wrote: At 06:23 AM 3/21/2007, dhbailey wrote: I believe you have to generate the part manually. BUT (and this is a VERY important BUT!) when you go to the Manage Parts dialog, be certain to clear the long list of the already generated parts and ONLY list the new part you want generated, or it will generate an entire new list of parts, undoing any part formatting you may have already done. What?? No, I don't think this is what you mean. If you clear the list of already generated parts, using the Delete button, then those parts will disappear once you hit OK in the Manage Parts dialog. What you do want to be careful of is that you don't hit the Generate Parts button after you already have some linked parts, because that will delete all your existing parts and auto-create new parts for your score. (Finale will warn you about this first.) If you are manually adding parts, the correct procedure is to use the New Part button, define your part, and then hit OK. This will add the new part and preserve your existing parts. Aaron, you're correct -- it was too early and I should have known better. oops. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] NEW part
At 09:09 AM 3/21/2007, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 21.03.2007 Aaron Sherber wrote: What you do want to be careful of is that you don't hit the Generate Parts button after you already have some linked parts, because that will delete all your existing parts and auto-create new parts for your score. (Finale will warn you about this first.) If you are manually adding parts, the correct procedure is to use the New Part button, define your part, and then hit OK. This will add the new part and preserve your existing parts. I don't know what others think, but personally I see this as one of the most unintuitive implementations in Finale. I agree. The button should have been labeled 'Add Default Parts' or some such thing. On the other hand, Finale does pop up a dialog letting you know what the consequences will be before it's too late. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] NEW part
Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 21.03.2007 Aaron Sherber wrote: What you do want to be careful of is that you don't hit the Generate Parts button after you already have some linked parts, because that will delete all your existing parts and auto-create new parts for your score. (Finale will warn you about this first.) If you are manually adding parts, the correct procedure is to use the New Part button, define your part, and then hit OK. This will add the new part and preserve your existing parts. I don't know what others think, but personally I see this as one of the most unintuitive implementations in Finale. The potential risk of error, and consequential disaster is so high, it is like putting a huge note on the screen saying throw your computer out of the window now or it will explode. Or worse. Johannes I agree and had great frustration initially with this. I've resolved it several ways (not that we should have to be so careful with such a powerful feature): 1) I don't worry about generating parts until after I have done the data entry (just as with the old extract-parts I wouldn't extract the parts until the score was just right); 2) I don't do any editing on any of the parts until I'm sure I've got the parts list exactly as I want it, in case I accidentally click the Generate Parts button. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midi troubles
Freancesco, Apple bought and absorbed eMagic a long time ago. They no longer make MIDI interfaces. It's possible they have an updated driver for your MIDI interface that will work on your computer -- check here: http://www.apple.com/support/emagic/ If not, you'll need a new USB MIDI interface. Luckily, they are not expensive. The Kontakt 2/Intel update for Garritan libraries is coming soon. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 21 Mar 2007, at 9:23 AM, Francesco wrote: Dear Subscribers: I recently bought an iMac 2.16 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo and have installed Finale 2007 c. I have a problem with the MIDI devices:I followed the manual instructions but no device was being recognized. Here are my devices. MIDI controller keyboard: ROLAND PC – 200 MK II Sound module: ROLAND Sound Canvas sc-88 vl MIDI interface Emagic mt/4 (2 way in, 4 way out, connected to the computer via USB). With my old MAC G3 and Finale 2002 I used the keyboard a lot (speedy entry) which, as far as I understand, is the only way to work with the Garritan Jazz Band (I bought the complete one). The Emagic interface has been given me by my son and, while in his G4 it works, in my computer it does not. I have been told that said interface is not compatible with Intel. As far as I have understood also Garritan does not work in Intel machines, they say that un updating to that extent will be issued by springtime. Your help will be very much welcome. Thanks a lot in advance. Francesco Lamberti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] NEW part
On 21.03.2007 dhbailey wrote: I agree and had great frustration initially with this. I've resolved it several ways (not that we should have to be so careful with such a powerful feature): 1) I don't worry about generating parts until after I have done the data entry (just as with the old extract-parts I wouldn't extract the parts until the score was just right); 2) I don't do any editing on any of the parts until I'm sure I've got the parts list exactly as I want it, in case I accidentally click the Generate Parts button. For me this would completely defeat the object of having linked parts. They are most useful for me when I need parts for a project which isn't finished. This happens with around 90% of all the projects I am doing. I can do some basic formatting on the parts and won't lose this when I get back to them later. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Page numbering
(Finale 2002 - still) I wish to print a work in multiple movements from separate files. I have used the page offset to adjust the page numbering of the movements after the first one, but it only appears to work for the first page. i.e. My second movement's first page is - 11 -, as expected, but the next page is - 2 -. What is going wrong? Do I have to correct each individual page? Regards, Michael Lawlor mail2web.com Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Page numbering
(Finale 2002 - still) Apologies if this message appears twice - my system claims the first one failed. I am trying to print a multi-movement work from multiple files. I have used the page offset to get the second movement to start at page 11, and it appears as - 11 -, but the next page is - 2 -. What is going wrong? Do I have to set each page individually? Regards, Michael Lawlor mail2web.com Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Re: [Finale] Page numbering
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Finale 2002 - still) Apologies if this message appears twice - my system claims the first one failed. I am trying to print a multi-movement work from multiple files. I have used the page offset to get the second movement to start at page 11, and it appears as - 11 -, but the next page is - 2 -. What is going wrong? Do I have to set each page individually? Have you somehow included two different page number inserts? For instance, one for the right pages and one for the left pages? Perhaps trying to set the offset for both page number inserts, should you have two, would solve the problem. I've never run into the situation you're describing so I can't speak from experience. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] horn transposition question
Robert Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] A top-line bass clef A is possible on a natural horn only if the bass clef is old notation. In old notation bass clef it is the same note as the 2nd-space A in treble clef. For horn in G, this sounds as the E above middle C. [...] The question then arises, Why not notate it in treble clef? A possible reason is that it is a 1st or 3rd horn part that shares a stave in the score with a low note from 2nd or 4th. IIRC, that situation arises in one of Strauss's Four Last Songs. -- Ken Moore ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] horn transposition question
On 3/21/07, Ken Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A possible reason is that it is a 1st or 3rd horn part that shares a stave in the score with low note from 2nd or 4th. That is the primary reason I know of. It is important also to realize that old-notation bass clef is really a form of alto clef. Indeed it is only one line off from alto clef. (Middle-c is 2nd space instead of 3rd line.) This is not unlike what happens with tenor-treble clef. Because the horn is written as an alto-register instrument, using a form of alto clef for it makes some sense. The best thing about alto-bass clef is that low notes look low and high notes look high. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page numbering
Michael, It sounds to me like you have two separate page numberings going, the one (page 11) set in frame attributes to one page only , the other somehow automatic (number pages beginning with page 2). Try selecting the 11, then setting the frame attributes to all pages, which should continue the 11-numbering on page two, then click on and erase the 2 on page two. This may help ... Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 21.03.2007, at 17:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Finale 2002 - still) Apologies if this message appears twice - my system claims the first one failed. I am trying to print a multi-movement work from multiple files. I have used the page offset to get the second movement to start at page 11, and it appears as - 11 -, but the next page is - 2 -. What is going wrong? Do I have to set each page individually? Regards, Michael Lawlor mail2web.com – Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Resize noteheads outside standard measure length
Hi all, I've got a problem I can't solve. I need to resize certain noteheads that lay to the right of the measure. It's a piece with staggered measures at different tempi, and so some measures have invisible barlines (etc., etc., you know the kluges) and there are more notes in the measure than the time signature. The notes have all been carefully spaced, but the composer wants the the lower noteheads on the stems to be 75% the size. I can't seem to reach them with the percentage tool, and don't find anything the Frame Attributes that specifies size. Clues, please? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Resize noteheads outside standard measure length
In a message dated 3/21/07 3:56:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The notes have all been carefully spaced, but the composer wants the the lower noteheads on the stems to be 75% the size. I can't seem to reach them with the percentage tool, and don't find anything the Frame Attributes that specifies size. Dennis, There is a resize noteheads plug-in as of Finale 2006. You could specify the lower noteheads to get the reduction for the whole measure and then change the notes that you CAN reach in the beginning of the measure that you want normal size. ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midi troubles
On Mar 21, 2007, at 9:23 AM, Francesco wrote: Dear Subscribers: I recently bought an iMac 2.16 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo and have installed Finale 2007 c. I have a problem with the MIDI devices:I followed the manual instructions but no device was being recognized. Here are my devices. MIDI controller keyboard: ROLAND PC – 200 MK II Sound module: ROLAND Sound Canvas sc-88 vl MIDI interface Emagic mt/4 (2 way in, 4 way out, connected to the computer via USB). With my old MAC G3 and Finale 2002 I used the keyboard a lot (speedy entry) which, as far as I understand, is the only way to work with the Garritan Jazz Band (I bought the complete one). The Emagic interface has been given me by my son and, while in his G4 it works, in my computer it does not. I have been told that said interface is not compatible with Intel. As far as I have understood also Garritan does not work in Intel machines, they say that un updating to that extent will be issued by springtime. When I updated to MacIntel, I needed to download a new MIDI interface driver. Mine was Midiman 4X4, but I had to go on the net and find it. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Resize noteheads outside standard measure length
At 05:01 PM 3/21/2007 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a resize noteheads plug-in as of Finale 2006. You could specify the lower noteheads to get the reduction for the whole measure and then change the notes that you CAN reach in the beginning of the measure that you want normal size. It's a little weird, but it worked. I added notes and chose bottom of chord. It resized all the lower notes, and then I deleted the lower notes I didn't want. Not in the least intuitive or elegant, but it worked -- enough for this piece (so far). Thanks much, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure numbering with repeats
Dennis, I've seen it done with 16 and with 33. It's my feeling that you should always count every measure including the repeated measures. I would mark it as measure 33. Nick Raspa NJR Music Enterprises -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 4:26 PM Subject: [Finale] Measure numbering with repeats Say you have a piece that begins with 16 measures repeated with the last measure different for the second ending. What number does the next measure get 17? 33? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. =0 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure numbering with repeats
My own feeling is that measure numbers refer to measures on the PAGE. So each individual measure, no matter how many times it is played, gets one and only one measure number, and that number is the same number in the score and all the parts. This is the method that is maximally clear to conductors and performers. (If you're doing a purely historical/analytical edition, you may have different needs.) So, in your example, the measure under the first ending is m.16, the measure under the second ending is m.17, and the first measure following the second ending is m.18. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 21 Mar 2007, at 5:26 PM, dc wrote: Say you have a piece that begins with 16 measures repeated with the last measure different for the second ending. What number does the next measure get 17? 33? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure numbering with repeats
17b? dc wrote: Say you have a piece that begins with 16 measures repeated with the last measure different for the second ending. What number does the next measure get 17? 33? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure numbering with repeats
On 21.03.2007 dc wrote: Say you have a piece that begins with 16 measures repeated with the last measure different for the second ending. What number does the next measure get 17? 33? First and second endings always _start_ with the same measure number. So the next measure in your case would be 17 I guess. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure numbering with repeats
From my point of view, there are logical reasons for either, but I'd probably use 33. Not 34. In 2k7, you can use measure attributes to exclude the 2nd ending from the measure number region. Chuck On Mar 21, 2007, at 2:26 PM, dc wrote: Say you have a piece that begins with 16 measures repeated with the last measure different for the second ending. What number does the next measure get 17? 33? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure numbering with repeats
On 21.03.2007 Darcy James Argue wrote: So, in your example, the measure under the first ending is m.16, the measure under the second ending is m.17, and the first measure following the second ending is m.18. This is definitely completely non-standard for classical music. Look into any complete edition, NBA, NMA, you name it. Never will it be done like this. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure numbering with repeats
On 3/21/07, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First and second endings always _start_ with the same measure number. So the next measure in your case would be 17 I guess. Yep, it's odd this question came up because my editor told me exactly that's his preference. Good luck Kim Patrick Clow ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure numbering with repeats
At 6:25 PM -0400 3/21/07, Darcy James Argue wrote: My own feeling is that measure numbers refer to measures on the PAGE. So each individual measure, no matter how many times it is played, gets one and only one measure number, and that number is the same number in the score and all the parts. Yes, I agree with this completely, IF AND ONLY IF the numbering is exactly the same in score and all parts. Every measure needs to have one and only one unique identifier in any context I can think of. BUT, where you get into trouble is with sloppy copying and multiple revisions, as those of us involved with Broadway musical scores and partbooks have inevitably tripped over. There was one point in King I--and I can't recall which number it was in--where some part books had a repeat, others had the repeat written out, and neither one matched the piano-vocal score. That's the mark of quick and dirty copying where some shortcuts are taken because they can be, without considering the overall effect. We stumbled over that particularly bad example when we were asked to make a cut involving that section--a real mess and an unnecessary waste of rehearsal time!!! John So, in your example, the measure under the first ending is m.16, the measure under the second ending is m.17, and the first measure following the second ending is m.18. Agreed. Bar numbers are to speed up rehearsals, not to outline musical form!! John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure numbering with repeats
At 11:49 PM +0100 3/21/07, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 21.03.2007 Darcy James Argue wrote: So, in your example, the measure under the first ending is m.16, the measure under the second ending is m.17, and the first measure following the second ending is m.18. This is definitely completely non-standard for classical music. Look into any complete edition, NBA, NMA, you name it. Never will it be done like this. Agreed. But it's still the best practical way to do it. Anything else is a convention, and almost certainly NOT the composer's idea since bars were hardly ever numbered in original scores. John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure numbering with repeats
On 22.03.2007 John Howell wrote: This is definitely completely non-standard for classical music. Look into any complete edition, NBA, NMA, you name it. Never will it be done like this. Agreed. But it's still the best practical way to do it. Anything else is a convention, and almost certainly NOT the composer's idea since bars were hardly ever numbered in original scores. It has got little to do with what the composer intended. In my opinion the convention is by far the most logical way to number measures, and in addition it is the only which allows individual parts to differ on endings while still having the same measure count. It is actually very common in classical music to have a second ending only in some parts and not in others. You simply cannot number these separately. I also find it very strange especially in baroque movements which are symmetric when the second section starts with measure 18, bringing the measure count to 33. Makes no sense to me. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure numbering with repeats
On 21.03.2007 Chuck Israels wrote: From my point of view, there are logical reasons for either, but I'd probably use 33. Not 34. In 2k7, you can use measure attributes to exclude the 2nd ending from the measure number region. Actually, I would exclude the first ending, as this is very unlikely to be placed at the beginning of a staff system. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure numbering with repeats
I agree that it's nonstandard for an edition of big-C Classical music. It's absolutely standard for new music, though. How else would you number an open repeat or repeat till cue section? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 21 Mar 2007, at 6:49 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 21.03.2007 Darcy James Argue wrote: So, in your example, the measure under the first ending is m.16, the measure under the second ending is m.17, and the first measure following the second ending is m.18. This is definitely completely non-standard for classical music. Look into any complete edition, NBA, NMA, you name it. Never will it be done like this. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] test
My post doesn't show up to Mailman2 at shsu.edu for 2 days :-( -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure numbering with repeats
On 21 Mar 2007, at 7:38 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: It has got little to do with what the composer intended. In my opinion the convention is by far the most logical way to number measures, Strongly disagree. and in addition it is the only which allows individual parts to differ on endings while still having the same measure count. I would see that as a bug, not a feature. All parts and the score ought to have the same roadmap, IMO (absent some exceptional cases like some instruments looping while others go on, or asymmetrical barlines or whatnot). I also find it very strange especially in baroque movements which are symmetric when the second section starts with measure 18, bringing the measure count to 33. Makes no sense to me. Only if you feel measure numbers have anything at all to do with phrasing or form. In the kind of copying/engraving I do, they don't. They're just labels. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] test
On 3/21/07, A-NO-NE Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dood, get a Gmail acct. It's free. It's easy. It's painless ;) Good luck! Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure numbering with repeats
What you have said about this makes sense to me, but sometimes a longer 1st and second ending (3 or 4 measures) does come at the beginning of a line. I do try to make sure that 1st and 2nd endings are on the same line, though there are rare occasions where things work out better with them on different lines (really long endings). Chuck On Mar 21, 2007, at 4:40 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 21.03.2007 Chuck Israels wrote: From my point of view, there are logical reasons for either, but I'd probably use 33. Not 34. In 2k7, you can use measure attributes to exclude the 2nd ending from the measure number region. Actually, I would exclude the first ending, as this is very unlikely to be placed at the beginning of a staff system. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Resize noteheads outside standard measure length
On Mar 21, 2007, at 1:53 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: The notes have all been carefully spaced, but the composer wants the the lower noteheads on the stems to be 75% the size. I can't seem to reach them with the percentage tool, and don't find anything the Frame Attributes that specifies size. The Note Detail box in Frame Attributes indicates that there is some specification for the note, which could be a reduced notehead or any of several other alterations. Unfortunately, you don't have access to what the alteration is. (Or if you do, I don't know how to get at it.) You can, however, turn it off. So if for some reason you've got notes with reduced heads and you want to restore them to normal, you can do that by clearing the Note Detail in the Edit Frames window. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Resize noteheads outside standard measure length
At 07:44 PM 3/21/2007 -0700, you wrote: The Note Detail box in Frame Attributes indicates that there is some specification for the note, which could be a reduced notehead or any of several other alterations. Unfortunately, you don't have access to what the alteration is. (Or if you do, I don't know how to get at it.) You can, however, turn it off. So if for some reason you've got notes with reduced heads and you want to restore them to normal, you can do that by clearing the Note Detail in the Edit Frames window. Ah! Fantastic ... I didn't think of this in reverse order. Many thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Peek-A-Boo (was: test)
Kim Patrick Clow / 2007/03/21 / 08:02 PM wrote: Dood, get a Gmail acct. It's free. It's easy. It's painless ;) I have a few Gmail accounts but not for this list :-) Anyway, this is the question I tried to post a few times last couple days: === I was helping my friend on FinMac2007 Linked Parts. Oddly, the parts list under Document Edit Parts disappears as soon as you got to a part to edit. The menu shows only Next Previous and Last part, but no parts list. At this point, if you open Manage Parts dialog and [OK] it, the list comes back. You go to a part to edit, the list disappear again. Ran Data Check but to no avail. Does anyone know what is going on? Thanks in advance. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure numbering with repeats
dc / 2007/03/21 / 05:26 PM wrote: Say you have a piece that begins with 16 measures repeated with the last measure different for the second ending. What number does the next measure get 17? 33? 17. If you want to use 33, I believe you need to put both 1 and 17 to the first measure. Do you not think? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure numbering with repeats
On Mar 21, 2007, at 8:50 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: dc / 2007/03/21 / 05:26 PM wrote: Say you have a piece that begins with 16 measures repeated with the last measure different for the second ending. What number does the next measure get 17? 33? 17. If you want to use 33, I believe you need to put both 1 and 17 to the first measure. Do you not think? I have been know to do this, in order to facilitate starting a rehearsal segment from the beginning of, or from within the second time through. It's fussy, and maybe redundant, but I have done this sometimes. However, Lately I have simply used one number per measure. Chuck -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
