Re: [Finale] Fin Mac Printing Error ID = -108

[Mark D Lew]

On May 19, 2007, at 11:42 AM, Phil Daley wrote:


But a "/" or a "\" also denotes a subfolder in Windows.

I don't see how this could work anywhere.  Oh, maybe a Mac, I don't  
know how they denote subfolders.


I don't know how it's coded internally, but I do know that on my Mac  
I can make a filename with a "/" or a "\" in it and it's no problem.


I appreciate Mac's filename flexibility.  I'm not aware of any  
character that is disallowed.  The one I miss most on Windows is the  
question mark.  I love to move files around in subfolders as I'm  
sorting them, and I like giving subfolders descriptive names which  
are often questions, like "are these duplicates?" or "ok to throw out?".


mdl
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Re: [Finale] Fin Mac Printing Error ID = -108

[A-NO-NE Music]

Robert Patterson / 2007/05/19 / 02:05 PM wrote:

>Aha. My precise situation, along with Oboe/English Horn. And it is of 
>course because the "/" character in Unix denotes a subfolder. Doh! And 
>such a boneheaded error message for it. And so easy to fix: a typical 
>example of criminal neglect of existing features by the current bunch in 
>charge of MM.

Y'know, this is a bug often seen on applications which are multi-
platform.  I haven't seen one with Mac-only application yet.  If the
developer took OSX NAVServ API, it escapes forward slash.  When I used
to work for Windows, we had a big issue with trailing back slashes which
is a part of quite a few Japanese characters.  Imagine that mess :-(

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- Hiro

Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA
 


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Re: [Finale] Removing embedded graphics

[Raymond Horton]

"Blank Page" is good enough, IMHO.  Quicker to read.  The arrow is good, 
also.  Or the obvious - plan the pages so you don't need the blank page, 
but the blank is much better than a bad turn.



I use graphics sometimes.  Don't know the solution to this problem, so I 
hadn't weighed in.  I have another problem with graphics I'll ask about 
soon.



R. Horton
Louisville Orchestra


Barbara Touburg wrote:
Or, if you leave the left hand page empty, except for the page 
numbering, everything is obvious.


dhbailey wrote:



I use a text block, which says "This Page Left Blank On Purpose -- 
Music Continues On The Next Page."






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Re: [Finale] Removing embedded graphics

[Darcy James Argue]

I use a 72 pt. page turn arrow. Glyphs speak louder than words.

Cheers,

- Darcy
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On 19 May 2007, at 5:49 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote:

Hey!   That's relatively standard procedure!   And besides, if your  
musicians CAN'T read that in a sufficiently brief amount of time,  
GET NEW MUSICIANS!!!


I use 'This Page Intentionally Left Blank' in a box. 18-point  
font. With a helpfully-large V.S. below.


Works every time, and even better when they have a good 10 - 15  
second multi-measure rest; longer in case of musicians who have to  
read with their lips moving


Best,

Les
Les Marsden
Founding Music Director and Conductor,
The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
Music and Mariposa?  Ah, Paradise!!!

http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html
http://www.geocities.com/~jbenz/lesbio.html

  - Original Message -
  From: Aaron Sherber
  To: finale@shsu.edu ; finale@shsu.edu
  Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 2:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Removing embedded graphics


  At 03:35 PM 5/19/2007, dhbailey wrote:
I use a text block, which says "This Page Left Blank On Purpose --  
Music

Continues On The Next Page."


  And by the time the player finishes reading that.  

  Aaron.

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Re: [Finale] Fin Mac Printing Error ID = -108

[Phil Daley]

At 02:05 PM 5/19/2007, Robert Patterson wrote:

>Darcy James Argue wrote:
>
>> It is not possible to Save as PDF when your part name is,
>> e.g. "Flute/Piccolo 1."
>
>Aha. My precise situation, along with Oboe/English Horn. And it is of
>course because the "/" character in Unix denotes a subfolder. Doh! And
>such a boneheaded error message for it. And so easy to fix: a typical
>example of criminal neglect of existing features by the current bunch in
>charge of MM.

But a "/" or a "\" also denotes a subfolder in Windows.

I don't see how this could work anywhere.  Oh, maybe a Mac, I don't know 
how they denote subfolders.


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Re: [Finale] OT: Composers! (Was: music terminology)

[Aaron Rabushka]

I never did see Heracles, but I went to several dress rehearsals for Danton
& Robespierre, and worked on the stage crew for The Cry of Clytymnestra, the
vehicle that Eaton had written for his wife, Nelda Nelson. Some intriguing
theatrics, and a lot of music that that engendered a lot of references to
naked emperors while failing to live up to it's composer's programmatic
claims. (I am unapologetically a major believer in letting music speak for
itself rather than telling audiences how they are supposed to feel about
it.)

And from all the IU composition faculty at the time (late '70's), Bernhard
Heiden was the only one with a memorable sense of humor, flying in the face
of stereotypes about age and nationality. I'll never forget how, on the
first day of counterpoint class, he remarked that "sequences are the
Hamburger Helper of modern music," how later on he told one student "you did
this [assignment] like you did your income tax--you tried to get away with
as much as possible," and also, at a composers' symposium à propos of the
premiere of Eaton's "Danton & Robespierre," how "writing an opera [as
opposed to chamber music and other small-scale projects] is the sprit of
Evel Knievel" [sp?].

Aaron J. Rabushka
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From: "Williams, Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: [Finale] OT: Composers! (Was: music terminology)


>>John Eaton was an excellent composition teacher. His student's
compositional styles ranged from conservative to very experimental,
and most benefited and enjoyed their time working with him. His own
music is challenging to both performers and audience to be sure, but
his  fans, and I consider myself one of them, are not just faking it.

I was part of an opera summer stage crew that destroyed most of the sets for
HERACLES. Also on that crew were a number of vocalists, some of whom
evidently participated in it or knew others who did. I NEVER saw people
wield hammers, axes, crowbars, and saws with such gusto! Not making any
comment about Eaton...just recalling and reporting a funny experience for
this non-singing brass player. ;-)

Jim
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Re: [Finale] Removing embedded graphics

[Mariposa Symphony Orchestra]

Hey!   That's relatively standard procedure!   And besides, if your musicians 
CAN'T read that in a sufficiently brief amount of time, GET NEW MUSICIANS!!!

I use 'This Page Intentionally Left Blank' in a box. 18-point font. 
With a helpfully-large V.S. below. 

Works every time, and even better when they have a good 10 - 15 second 
multi-measure rest; longer in case of musicians who have to read with their 
lips moving

Best,

Les
Les Marsden
Founding Music Director and Conductor, 
The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
Music and Mariposa?  Ah, Paradise!!!
 
http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html
http://www.geocities.com/~jbenz/lesbio.html 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Aaron Sherber 
  To: finale@shsu.edu ; finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 2:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Removing embedded graphics


  At 03:35 PM 5/19/2007, dhbailey wrote:
   >I use a text block, which says "This Page Left Blank On Purpose -- Music
   >Continues On The Next Page."

  And by the time the player finishes reading that.  

  Aaron.

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Re: [Finale] Removing embedded graphics

[Aaron Sherber]

At 03:35 PM 5/19/2007, dhbailey wrote:
>I use a text block, which says "This Page Left Blank On Purpose -- Music
>Continues On The Next Page."

And by the time the player finishes reading that.  

Aaron.

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Re: [Finale] Removing embedded graphics

[Barbara Touburg]

Oh, okay.

I've never had any complaints, though. Maybe I've been lucky so far.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
In a message dated 19/05/2007 21:15:42 GMT Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



Or,  if you leave the left hand page empty, except for the page 
numbering,  everything is obvious.



Not really - there's always going to be somebody in the orchestra who  wastes 
valuable rehearsal time by asking if the music for page # hasn't printed  or 
whether it's been left blank deliberately.
 
David's way is better.
 
Cheers,
 
Lawrence (whose musicians don't need any help in finding ways of wasting  
rehearsal time)  :-)



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Re: [Finale] Removing embedded graphics

[YATESLAWRENCE]

 
 
In a message dated 19/05/2007 21:15:42 GMT Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Or,  if you leave the left hand page empty, except for the page 
>numbering,  everything is obvious.

Not really - there's always going to be somebody in the orchestra who  wastes 
valuable rehearsal time by asking if the music for page # hasn't printed  or 
whether it's been left blank deliberately.
 
David's way is better.
 
Cheers,
 
Lawrence (whose musicians don't need any help in finding ways of wasting  
rehearsal time)  :-)

 
lawrenceyates.co.uk



   
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Re: [Finale] Fin Mac Printing Error ID = -108

[Randolph Peters]

Robert Patterson wrote:
I've got a document with 21 parts for an orchestra piece. (The 
score is in a different file.) When I go to print them as PDF, 19 
of the parts print with no problem, but 2 of the part print with 
the following error:


There is a printing problem. ID = -108

[snip]

Darcy Argue replied:
I have complained about this ridiculous message to MM before. This 
error is generated when Finale attempts to save a PDF with a 
filename that includes an illegal character (probably a slash) in 
one of the part names. It is not possible to Save as PDF when your 
part name is, e.g. "Flute/Piccolo 1."


I recommended trying to "Compress PDF" instead of "Save to PDF..." 
Now I know why my suggestion worked (in a round-about way).


"Compress PDF" is an Applescript and it prompts you to name the saved 
file by presenting a blank field. Chances are that you won't fill in 
the name with a "/" because of good computer sense. The "Save to 
PDF..." generates its own names and as Darcy pointed out, those "/"s 
cause problems.


Thanks Darcy and Robert for clearing up that mystery!

-Randolph Peters
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Re: [Finale] Removing embedded graphics

[Barbara Touburg]

Or, if you leave the left hand page empty, except for the page 
numbering, everything is obvious.


dhbailey wrote:



I use a text block, which says "This Page Left Blank On Purpose -- Music 
Continues On The Next Page."






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Re: [Finale] RE: Removing embedded graphics

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

PS to the last. This link should be:


Dennis



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Re: [Finale] RE: Removing embedded graphics

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

At 10:58 AM 5/19/2007 -0700, Michael Good wrote:
>Doesn't Graphics -> Check All Graphics... do what you need? It lists
>all the graphics in the file and lets you embed or link on a
>graphic-by-graphic basis. So you can embed a linked graphic or link an
>embedded graphic - it exports the embedded graphic to a file of your
>choice.

There is nothing on the list. I tried this with a blank file. If the
graphic is embedded and later deleted, it still is in the file somewhere --
in other words, if I embed a 4MB photograph, the file grows by 4MB as
expected. But deleting the graphic doesn't seem to get rid of it -- even
when I *really* meant to link to the file, and go back to make the change.

In other words, if I go through the score and delete the embedded images
that I forgot to link, they don't go away. If I delete *all* graphics,
they're not in the "Check All Graphics" list. That's now empty -- but the
graphics are still in the file, even after saving, after Data Check (Data
Check doesn't have those elements on the list anyway), and after leaving
Finale and reopening the file. The file is still big (in this case, nearly
90MB), and has no graphics available.

Do you see this?

If we could still save to ETF, I could just grab the graphics block and
delete it. But it's all binary now. :(

And I'm also not able to compile a Postscript listing with the graphics
included. Mac users don't have to do this, but to get a nice-looking PDF
(on screen), the compile feature does it, but the print feature doesn't
give a nice display (and I've tried it with Distiller, PDF995, docPrint
Pro, etc.).

At 09:58 AM 5/19/2007 -0700, Carl Dershem wrote:
>And I also have no use for graphics, and am a bit curious as to what you 
>use them for.

Many of my scores have photographs embedded as part of the performer
guidelines. In my 25 Landscape Preludes for piano, the pianist interprets
the dynamics by means of a graph derived from the photograph, and the photo
is also on the page.


In scores with electronics, the graphical score is also part of the entire
score. In two pieces for MalletKat and playback, the entire sequencer score
is shown in parallel with the dot-music score.



In a recent set (the one giving me so much trouble), it is a commission for
12 performance pieces for tenor guitar.






Dennis



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Re: [Finale] Removing embedded graphics

[dhbailey]

Aaron Sherber wrote:

At 12:58 PM 5/19/2007, Carl Dershem wrote:
 >And I also have no use for graphics, and am a bit curious as to what you
 >use them for.

I can think of several more complicated things, but for starters, when I 
have a part with a RH page left blank to facilitate page turns, I place 
a graphic of an arrow at the bottom of that page to indicate that the 
music continues and the player should turn the page.




I use a text block, which says "This Page Left Blank On Purpose -- Music 
Continues On The Next Page."


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Re: [Finale] Removing embedded graphics

[Carl Dershem]

Aaron Sherber wrote:

At 12:58 PM 5/19/2007, Carl Dershem wrote:
 >And I also have no use for graphics, and am a bit curious as to what you
 >use them for.

I can think of several more complicated things, but for starters, when I 
have a part with a RH page left blank to facilitate page turns, I place 
a graphic of an arrow at the bottom of that page to indicate that the 
music continues and the player should turn the page.


Makes sense.
  I just use a font with arrows for mine, as it tends to embed easier.

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Re: [Finale] Fin Mac Printing Error ID = -108

[Aaron Rabushka]

Yes--in my recent project "String Bass/Contrabassoon" had to become "String
Bass-Contrabassoon."

Aaron J. Rabushka
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From: "Robert Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Fin Mac Printing Error ID = -108


> Darcy James Argue wrote:
>
> > It is not possible to Save as PDF when your part name is,
> > e.g. "Flute/Piccolo 1."
>
> Aha. My precise situation, along with Oboe/English Horn. And it is of
> course because the "/" character in Unix denotes a subfolder. Doh! And
> such a boneheaded error message for it. And so easy to fix: a typical
> example of criminal neglect of existing features by the current bunch in
> charge of MM.
>
> The same naming issue is undoubtedly what prevents saving as PS, too,
> although there is no error message for PS files. The file simply does
> not appear.
>
> Randolph Peters wrote:
>  >
>  > For the part or parts that don't work, instead of choosing "Save as
>  > PDF..." in the print dialog box, choose "Compress PDF". I did this and
>  > it worked fine.
>
> The workaround I used is to Preview it, then save it with the name I
> want. Having seen Darcy's explanation I at least feel relief that my
> file is not weirdly corrupted.
>
> -- 
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>
> http://RobertGPatterson.com
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Re: [Finale] Removing embedded graphics

[Aaron Sherber]

At 12:58 PM 5/19/2007, Carl Dershem wrote:
>And I also have no use for graphics, and am a bit curious as to what you
>use them for.

I can think of several more complicated things, but for starters, 
when I have a part with a RH page left blank to facilitate page 
turns, I place a graphic of an arrow at the bottom of that page to 
indicate that the music continues and the player should turn the page.


Aaron.

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Re: [Finale] Removing embedded graphics

[Carl Dershem]

Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:

Hi all,

I'm sending this again. My requests about graphics here seem to vanish.
There must be *somebody* who works with graphics in Finale! :)  


The first one didn't vanish, but:

A)  I don't use a Mac
B)  I've never embedded a graphic

so I have no useful knowledge here.

And I also have no use for graphics, and am a bit curious as to what you 
use them for.


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[Finale] RE: Removing embedded graphics

[Michael Good]

Hi Dennis,

Doesn't Graphics -> Check All Graphics... do what you need? It lists
all the graphics in the file and lets you embed or link on a
graphic-by-graphic basis. So you can embed a linked graphic or link an
embedded graphic - it exports the embedded graphic to a file of your
choice.

Best regards,

Michael Good
Recordare LLC
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Re: [Finale] Fin Mac Printing Error ID = -108

[Randolph Peters]

Robert Patterson wrote:
I've got a document with 21 parts for an orchestra piece. (The score 
is in a different file.) When I go to print them as PDF, 19 of the 
parts print with no problem, but 2 of the part print with the 
following error:



There is a printing problem. ID = -108

Please check the printer's power and interface connections. Also 
check the Chooser for the correct printer selection.



Nevermind the absurdly useless error message text that refers to 
features of Classic MacOS 9. Has anyone else seen this error message 
before?


I had this problem as well. There was nothing unusual about the part 
that would consistently NOT print. I don't know what causes this but 
I did chance on a way around it. I hope this works for you.


For the part or parts that don't work, instead of choosing "Save as 
PDF..." in the print dialog box, choose "Compress PDF". I did this 
and it worked fine. I have no idea why.


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Re: [Finale] Fin Mac Printing Error ID = -108

[Robert Patterson]

Darcy James Argue wrote:

It is not possible to Save as PDF when your part name is,  
e.g. "Flute/Piccolo 1."


Aha. My precise situation, along with Oboe/English Horn. And it is of 
course because the "/" character in Unix denotes a subfolder. Doh! And 
such a boneheaded error message for it. And so easy to fix: a typical 
example of criminal neglect of existing features by the current bunch in 
charge of MM.


The same naming issue is undoubtedly what prevents saving as PS, too, 
although there is no error message for PS files. The file simply does 
not appear.


Randolph Peters wrote:
>
> For the part or parts that don't work, instead of choosing "Save as
> PDF..." in the print dialog box, choose "Compress PDF". I did this and
> it worked fine.

The workaround I used is to Preview it, then save it with the name I 
want. Having seen Darcy's explanation I at least feel relief that my 
file is not weirdly corrupted.


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Re: [Finale] Fin Mac Printing Error ID = -108

[Darcy James Argue]

Hey Robert,

I have complained about this ridiculous message to MM before. This  
error is generated when Finale attempts to save a PDF with a filename  
that includes an illegal character (probably a slash) in one of the  
part names. It is not possible to Save as PDF when your part name is,  
e.g. "Flute/Piccolo 1."


Cheers,

- Darcy
-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brooklyn, NY



On 19 May 2007, at 12:09 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:

I've got a document with 21 parts for an orchestra piece. (The  
score is in a different file.) When I go to print them as PDF, 19  
of the parts print with no problem, but 2 of the part print with  
the following error:



There is a printing problem. ID = -108

Please check the printer's power and interface connections. Also  
check the Chooser for the correct printer selection.



Nevermind the absurdly useless error message text that refers to  
features of Classic MacOS 9. Has anyone else seen this error  
message before?


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[Finale] Removing embedded graphics

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

I'm sending this again. My requests about graphics here seem to vanish.
There must be *somebody* who works with graphics in Finale! :)  

Anyway, to say again:

I'm not sure if this is a bug, or if there is a tool I'm missing.

As I've been working on a score, I occasionally have forgotten to check
"link to file" when importing graphics. I would delete the graphic and
re-do it with "link to file" checked. I noticed that the saves were getting
slow, and then found that the file had grown to over 80MB -- the embedded
graphics (all photos) were not being removed. Doing a data check doesn't
help. Saving and re-opening the file and/or Finale doesn't help.

Is there a tool to remove these residual embedded graphics? I hadn't
noticed this before, but I do see that each piece created from the previous
carries forward these deleted graphics that appear to be embedded -- since
the compositions are based upon each other, I need to move them forward
from the previous one.

I tested a new file, imported a graphic, and then deleted it, and did a
data check to remove deleted items. The graphics are not removed, and the
file always grows to the size of the embedded graphics -- even if they're
otherwise completely deleted. Nothing can get rid of these for me.

Any help on this? Or someone who can confirm this behavior?

(Also, an earlier email that got no responses: Compile Postscript Listing
-- which produces the best-looking results -- seems to leave out the
graphics. Anyone else see that?)

Many thanks,
Dennis


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[Finale] Fin Mac Printing Error ID = -108

[Robert Patterson]

I've got a document with 21 parts for an orchestra piece. (The score is 
in a different file.) When I go to print them as PDF, 19 of the parts 
print with no problem, but 2 of the part print with the following error:



There is a printing problem. ID = -108

Please check the printer's power and interface connections. Also check 
the Chooser for the correct printer selection.



Nevermind the absurdly useless error message text that refers to 
features of Classic MacOS 9. Has anyone else seen this error message before?


--
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