Re: [Finale] A naive computer question
Am 23.10.2009 um 01:34 schrieb David W. Fenton: On 23 Oct 2009 at 0:30, Gerhard Torges wrote: Am 21.10.2009 um 23:24 schrieb David W. Fenton: I'd recommend that anybody who has a spare $100 acquire a 1TB external drive. They are just too cheap not to use any more! And anyone who hasn't could just easily sing up for (another) Google Mail account and mail the update installer there. ;-) That's not a very good long-term storage solution. That is still to be decided. I have a few files stored that way for easy access wherever I am. Not much, only about 2 GB, but they're always there since 3 years now. It's no replacement for a hard drive, it's an additional security layer. And can your really trust big companies to maintain your data in the cloud? T-Mobile Sidekick users recently discovered that you really can't. Correct. That's why I have 3 copies up there. Plus, I am wary of giving any more leverage to Google than they already have with their search engine monopoly. I don't think encrypted files on a few free mail accounts with randomly chosen names will give them any clue about me. ;-) Last of all, who wants to wait on the download? Even with high bandwidth broadband, an external drive is going to be faster -- you'll long ago have finished running the installer before you've even finished the download from the cloud. If you have the drive with you. And if it's not affected by the virus (crash, malfunction) that caused the need for its use. As I already said, it's a backup solution. A hard drive is better for sure regarding access times an available storage amount, but it has it's shortcomings (vulnerability to local threats, to be kept up-to-date manually). If, for any reason, you can't acces such drive, the GMail account can be very helpful. Regards, Gerhard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading
Am 23.10.2009 um 01:37 schrieb David W. Fenton: Do you really have any conception at all of what's involved in managing the documentation for an application as complex as Finale? To keep it short: Yes, I have. It's not a triviality. I have been co-authoring and translating software and hardware manuals for big and small companies as well as for shareware or freeware products for 15 years now. Quite often I was also beta tester for these products then. And my overall experience is: The more thought-through the concept of the product itself, the more clearly is the manual. Regards, Gerhard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading question
Hi Allen, Am 23.10.2009 um 02:26 schrieb Allen Fisher: On Oct 22, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Gerhard Torges wrote: Am 22.10.2009 um 01:29 schrieb Christopher Smith: It downloaded about a hundred times faster for me next day, probably because I had about a hundredth of the peers downloading it at the same time as I had the previous day. Seems like a good candidate for peer-to-peer distribution. ;-) I suggested this when I worked at MM, but P2P has such a bad rap...despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, the perception of P2P in the world is that it's only good for violating copyright. Plus, there's no P2P client software bundled with Windows. On the other hands, speed and builtin integrity checks are both strong arguments for P2P. Gerhard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] no photocopying sign
I don't know where you could get this - I would probably resort to simply scanning it in (or is that in itself a copyright/no copying issue?) Cheers Lawrence 2009/10/23 dc den...@free.fr Does anyone know where I could find a (free) font or a simply a graphic file with the sign prohibiting photocopies that one sees on some scores? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] no photocopying sign
If you install the Sibelius demo it's in one of the fonts there. Matthew dc wrote: Does anyone know where I could find a (free) font or a simply a graphic file with the sign prohibiting photocopies that one sees on some scores? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] no photocopying sign
Opus Special Hans === Time is a great teacher but unfortunately it kills all its pupils. Hector Berlioz On 23 okt 09, at 10:23, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: If you install the Sibelius demo it's in one of the fonts there. Matthew dc wrote: Does anyone know where I could find a (free) font or a simply a graphic file with the sign prohibiting photocopies that one sees on some scores? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading
I'm back sitting in my corner again. :-( David la-la-la I can't hear you Bailey Allen Fisher wrote: Boys! What did Chris tell you!? :-D On Oct 22, 2009, at 7:12 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 22 Oct 2009 at 19:56, dhbailey wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 22 Oct 2009 at 6:35, dhbailey wrote: There's no way to know Why don't you meditate on that one -- treat it as your koan for the day. Because I've got better things to do, such as figure out how to piss you off in these messages. :-) Piss me off? You're my entertainment for the day! ride of the valkyriesThere's nothing like the smell of righteous indignation in the morning!/ride of the valkyries ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)
On Thu Oct 22, at ThursdayOct 22 7:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 22 Oct 2009 at 13:43, Christopher Smith wrote: On Thu Oct 22, at ThursdayOct 22 8:20 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: 3. you can bet that there is only very seldom a bug discovered by end users that is not already known by the Finale developers. Wow. I must be really, really lucky (or unlucky), or the developers don't tell the tech support people what they know, because easily 2/3 of the issues I report are previously unknown to tech support. Er, tech support != developers. Then how come I keep getting responses back from tech support that such-and-such a question will be passed on to the developers? Internally at MakeMusic the two are not the same at all. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)
On Thu Oct 22, at ThursdayOct 22 7:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: A specific customer-reported issue that is new to tech support may just be a new surface manifestation of a particular underlying problem, one that emerges only at runtime in particular environments. In other words, what you see is not so much the bug itself, but just evidence of the bug. Ah. Yes, that is much more clear. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)
Christopher Smith wrote: Er, tech support != developers. Then how come I keep getting responses back from tech support that such-and-such a question will be passed on to the developers? Internally at MakeMusic the two are not the same at all. I believe that when David typed != he was implying not equal to. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)
On Fri Oct 23, at FridayOct 23 6:29 AM, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: Er, tech support != developers. Then how come I keep getting responses back from tech support that such-and-such a question will be passed on to the developers? Internally at MakeMusic the two are not the same at all. I believe that when David typed != he was implying not equal to. Okay, good thing I have a David to David translator here, then. ;-) Here's the original exchange: On 22 Oct 2009 at 13:43, Christopher Smith wrote: On Thu Oct 22, at ThursdayOct 22 8:20 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: 3. you can bet that there is only very seldom a bug discovered by end users that is not already known by the Finale developers. Wow. I must be really, really lucky (or unlucky), or the developers don't tell the tech support people what they know, because easily 2/3 of the issues I report are previously unknown to tech support. Er, tech support != developers. So then my SECOND postulation is most likely correct? Sigh. What must the developers be thinking then, when there are all these clients and tech support people squawking and running around like headless chickens trying to pinpoint a behaviour, when some communication and documentation could prevent a lot of time and verbiage from being wasted? I am just trying to understand all this and keep from having an early coronary. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Expressions for layer 2 in Linked Parts?
Hi! I'm really aiming for keeping score parts in one file I know, but... ;) I use 2 layers in my, say, Horn 12 part in the score. As parts I make this two separate parts. However, in the part containing layer 2, in this case Horn 2, expressions/dynamics won't show, appearantly because they are attached to layer 1 in the first place and Finale thinks its supposed to show only what's in Layer 2. HOW do I get around this? Was it like this in earlier versions (I'm on WinXp, 2010a) Of course I want things that obviously applies to both parts (in the music I orchestrate anyway..), such as dynamics, to get shown in both parts in Linked Parts. Grateful for your thoughts! Bästa hälsn. ! Kalle Karl-Johan Ankarblom Bredkilsbacken 4 SE-171 53 SOLNA Tel: +46 (0)70 794 08 74 --- On Tue, 10/20/09, finale-requ...@shsu.edu finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: From: finale-requ...@shsu.edu finale-requ...@shsu.edu Subject: Finale Digest, Vol 75, Issue 20 To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 7:00 PM Send Finale mailing list submissions to finale@shsu.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to finale-requ...@shsu.edu You can reach the person managing the list at finale-ow...@shsu.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Finale digest... -- Meddelandet har kontrollerats mot virus samt skadligt innehåll av MailScanner och förmodas vara säkert. Today's Topics: 1. Chord manual input 2010 (Mark McCarron) 2. Re: Chord manual input 2010 (Chuck Israels) 3. Re: Blessed be the ties that bind ... and, why don't some? (Dean M. Estabrook) 4. Re: Blessed be the ties that bind ... and, why don't some? (Lawrence Yates) 5. Re: Blessed be the ties that bind ... and, why don't some? (Dean M. Estabrook) 6. Re: Blessed be the ties that bind ... and, why don't some? (Lawrence Yates) 7. Re: Blessed be the ties that bind ... and, why don't some? (Dean M. Estabrook) 8. Re: Blessed be the ties that bind ... and, why don't some? (Lawrence Yates) 9. Re: Blessed be the ties that bind ... and, why don't some? (David W. Fenton) 10. Re: Blessed be the ties that bind ... and, why don't some? (John Roberts) 11. Re: Blessed be the ties that bind ... and, why don't some? (Dean M. Estabrook) 12. Re: Blessed be the ties that bind ... and, why don't some? (Dean M. Estabrook) 13. improve speed of finale (mac) (shirling neueweise) 14. Re: improve speed of finale (mac) (Eric Dannewitz) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] slow graphic printing
Andrew, The first thing I would try would be to save a copy of your file in 2k4 (if you still have this version installed), delete the graphic, then open the file in 2k7 and reinstall the graphic. Best of luck. Bernard Savoie On Oct 19, 2009, at 13:00, finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: From: Andrew Stiller kalli...@ix.netcom.com Subject: [Finale] slow graphic printing To: finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: e15fb88c196178c5e8bb88e58bf07...@ix.netcom.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I have a FinMac 2K4 file that includes a number of large (i.e. data-rich) graphics, including some photos. It has always printed out quite swiftly, but when I updated the file to 2K7, printing became glacial, and one page became so slow that it exceeds my printer's time-out limit and won't print at all! I tried creating a PDF file and printing from that, but it proved just as slow. Is there anything I can do to make the 2K7 version print as readily as the 2K4 original? Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading question
On 2009/10/22, at 20:26, Allen Fisher wrote: I suggested this when I worked at MM, but P2P has such a bad rap...despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, the perception of P2P in the world is that it's only good for violating copyright. And attacking the far-end. I used to work for one of the two network switch manufactures who can decrypt P2P packets. You won't believe how dangerous P2P packets are. It's so easy to embed attac-kware in P2P packets, and you won't get caught. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)
-Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Christopher Smith Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:15 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-) On Thu Oct 22, at ThursdayOct 22 7:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 22 Oct 2009 at 13:43, Christopher Smith wrote: On Thu Oct 22, at ThursdayOct 22 8:20 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: 3. you can bet that there is only very seldom a bug discovered by end users that is not already known by the Finale developers. Wow. I must be really, really lucky (or unlucky), or the developers don't tell the tech support people what they know, because easily 2/3 of the issues I report are previously unknown to tech support. Er, tech support != developers. Then how come I keep getting responses back from tech support that such-and-such a question will be passed on to the developers? Whenever I hear that it sounds like a catch phrase to mollify me. It does not necessarily mean that happens or anything about MM's organization. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)
On 23 Oct 2009 at 6:14, Christopher Smith wrote: On Thu Oct 22, at ThursdayOct 22 7:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: I must be really, really lucky (or unlucky), or the developers don't tell the tech support people what they know, because easily 2/3 of the issues I report are previously unknown to tech support. Er, tech support != developers. Then how come I keep getting responses back from tech support that such-and-such a question will be passed on to the developers? Internally at MakeMusic the two are not the same at all. Oops. I used programmers' dialect. These two statements are equivalent: Er, tech support != developers. Er, tech support developers. So, I said exactly that. The explanation is that ! means NOT -- it was not an expression of intensity. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)
On 23 Oct 2009 at 7:39, Christopher Smith wrote: What must the developers be thinking then, when there are all these clients and tech support people squawking and running around like headless chickens trying to pinpoint a behaviour, when some communication and documentation could prevent a lot of time and verbiage from being wasted? I am just trying to understand all this and keep from having an early coronary. I don't have any idea if what you describe is a fair description of what's going on. My guess is there's plenty of communication between the teams. But there's likely plenty of *mis*-communication, too, programmers being programmers. If I'm right that the Finale QA team is the same team that provides tech support, this would just be an example of a historical confrontation between those who develop the software and those who test it. A good developer recognizes that the testers are your best helpers in the world, but there are good testers and there are bad testers. And also, it can be kind of annoying to have the QA people never giving you any feedback except on the things you do wrong. This causes a certain level of friction. It can be managed, but it's part of the equation. But I'm only speculating that the tech support team also functions as QA during the development process. That would make a great deal of sense in a small software development house like MM, but is often not the case in larger companies. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] font question
I have a custom music font that I created back in the Mac Classic OS days with Fontographer. It only exists in Mac Postscript Type 1 format (with screen fonts and an outline font). It has always worked. I would like to convert it to either TrueType or OpenType so that it will work on Windows, etc. I've got a good font converter program (FontXChange) that seems to process it fine (and works OK with other fonts) but the resulting font isn't recognized by Finale on either platform. Any ideas? -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Dwight Thomas - Principal Timpani - Omaha Symphony Macintosh Finale Consultant - DAPrint Music Preparation/Publishing e-mail address - dat...@cox.net web pages at http://members.cox.net/datimp/ FAX number (402) 451-1139 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] slow graphic printing
On Oct 23, 2009, at 7:57 AM, Bernard Savoie wrote: Andrew, The first thing I would try would be to save a copy of your file in 2k4 (if you still have this version installed), delete the graphic, then open the file in 2k7 and reinstall the graphic. Thanks for the advice. At least *someone* responded! Fortunately, I did keep the 2K4 on a backup disc, so all is not lost. Thanx again. --Andrew Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] 2010a staff style question
Has anyone figured out how to set staff styles to appear in score and parts by default? Something new has been added that is intended to add functionality but, until I figure out how to work it, it's a pain in the neck. As they are now set in my templates, they only appear in the score, and the Reset to Score function is gone. Help? Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] P2P dangers
Hi! Am 23.10.2009 um 15:20 schrieb A-NO-NE Music: I used to work for one of the two network switch manufactures who can decrypt P2P packets. You won't believe how dangerous P2P packets are. It's so easy to embed attac-kware in P2P packets, and you won't get caught. First: Data packets, no matter which, cannot be dangerous. They can, however, be built to exploit programming faults in the software which receives them. But that's a problem of that software, then. Second: You will get caught. Probably not the first time you do it. But then, since you haven't been caught then, you'll feel safe -- and do it again. And again. And thus, the pattern of your attacks will be recognized, and they'll hunt you. Until they finally get you. Gerhard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)
Nope. Not how it works at MM. QA is indeed separate from customer support. Has been as long as I can remember. Allen On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:36 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: Finale QA team is the same team that provides tech support, Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology al...@fisherartandtech.com i...@fisherartandtech.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] font question
The font conversion programme probably changed the internal font encoding. A few versions back Finale changed things so that only specific font encodings worked. This had the consequence that some fonts (e.g. the Opus families) no longer showed up in Finale. You will need to get TypeTool or something like that to encode it using Mac, or using trial and error to find one that works. Matthew Dwight Thomas wrote: I have a custom music font that I created back in the Mac Classic OS days with Fontographer. It only exists in Mac Postscript Type 1 format (with screen fonts and an outline font). It has always worked. I would like to convert it to either TrueType or OpenType so that it will work on Windows, etc. I've got a good font converter program (FontXChange) that seems to process it fine (and works OK with other fonts) but the resulting font isn't recognized by Finale on either platform. Any ideas? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)
On 23 Oct 2009 at 18:55, Allen Fisher wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:36 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: Finale QA team is the same team that provides tech support, Nope. Not how it works at MM. QA is indeed separate from customer support. Has been as long as I can remember. Good to know. I do wish you'd quoted more carefully. What I actually wrote was: If I'm right that the Finale QA team is the same team that provides tech support, I doubt that you trimmed that intentionally, but I don't like being misquoted here, as it implies I said something I didn't. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] font question part 2
At 11:08 +1100 10/24/09, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: The font conversion programme probably changed the internal font encoding. A few versions back Finale changed things so that only specific font encodings worked. This had the consequence that some fonts (e.g. the Opus families) no longer showed up in Finale. You will need to get TypeTool or something like that to encode it using Mac, or using trial and error to find one that works. Matthew With your advice I was able to get the converted font to work (both TrueType and OpenType) on the Mac side (using Adobe Standard Encoding) using the same FontXChange program - but I'm still stuck on the Windows side. I have a pretty rudimentary setup on the Windows side (I use XP Pro Parallels on my MacPro). The converted fonts show up OK in Windows itself but not in the 2010 Finale Reader. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Dwight Thomas - Principal Timpani - Omaha Symphony Macintosh Finale Consultant - DAPrint Music Preparation/Publishing e-mail address - dat...@cox.net web pages at http://members.cox.net/datimp/ FAX number (402) 451-1139 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] font question part 2
Dwight - What other encoding choices are offered in FontXChange? I'm not sure the Adobe encoding is the best choice. On Oct 23, 2009, at 9:03 PM, Dwight Thomas wrote: At 11:08 +1100 10/24/09, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: The font conversion programme probably changed the internal font encoding. A few versions back Finale changed things so that only specific font encodings worked. This had the consequence that some fonts (e.g. the Opus families) no longer showed up in Finale. You will need to get TypeTool or something like that to encode it using Mac, or using trial and error to find one that works. Matthew With your advice I was able to get the converted font to work (both TrueType and OpenType) on the Mac side (using Adobe Standard Encoding) using the same FontXChange program - but I'm still stuck on the Windows side. I have a pretty rudimentary setup on the Windows side (I use XP Pro Parallels on my MacPro). The converted fonts show up OK in Windows itself but not in the 2010 Finale Reader. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/ Dwight Thomas - Principal Timpani - Omaha Symphony Macintosh Finale Consultant - DAPrint Music Preparation/Publishing e-mail address - dat...@cox.net web pages at http://members.cox.net/datimp/ FAX number (402) 451-1139 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
