Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into finale2012

[Mark D Lew]

Count me as one more in the Speedy club.  I use Speedy Entry with the qwerty 
keyboard.

mdl
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Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into finale2012

[Lee Actor]

My setup is MIDI keyboard to my left, perpendicular to the computer keyboard
and monitor.  Left hand on the MIDI keyboard, right hand on the number
keypad makes for very fast note entry.  As the MIDI keyboard is full-size 88
keys, I can instantly enter any note in any octave, plus of course when
there are multiple notes entered on the same beat it is done in a single
step.  To each his own, but I'm very fast using my method and like it a lot.

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Peter Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:25 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into
finale2012


From: "David H. Bailey" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into 
finale2012

> I use speedy entry -- sometimes with a midi keyboard but more frequently
> using the computer's keyboard.  Arrow keys up and down to select the
> pitch, number keys to select the rhythm.

After using Finale for over 25 years and trying out all methods of note 
entry,
I can say without any doubt that David's method is the fastest and, once you
become practised at it, the most accurate.

Left hand on the up/down arrows for the pitch and right hand on the number
pad keys for the durations.  When copying sheet music I now only need to
glance at the screen every once in a while and never at my fingers - I can
keep my eyes firmly on the original music for long periods and this makes
it very fast indeed.  There are many keyboard shortcuts and you can set up
metatools to make things even faster.  Taking my hand away to use a MIDI
keyboard would really slow me down, as does using the mouse.

Don't be tempted into thinking that scanning music or using Hyperscribe will
speed things up, it doesn't.  It ends up as a mess which you have to spend
even more time cleaning up.

> I don't usually use templates, preferring to set each new document up
> precisely for that particular project.  But then I don't usually work on
> projects which have to be "just so" for a particular publisher.

Here's where I differ from David and agree with Mike G.  It takes a long,
long time fiddling with all the settings and making expression and 
articulation
libraries etc,  before you get them the way you want.  A blank template file
stores them all, instantly ready for the next project.  I do have one 
template
in a particular style for a publisher, but mostly I use my own "house 
style".

Peter


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Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into finale2012

[Peter Taylor]

From: "David H. Bailey" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into 
finale2012

> I use speedy entry -- sometimes with a midi keyboard but more frequently
> using the computer's keyboard.  Arrow keys up and down to select the
> pitch, number keys to select the rhythm.

After using Finale for over 25 years and trying out all methods of note 
entry,
I can say without any doubt that David's method is the fastest and, once you
become practised at it, the most accurate.

Left hand on the up/down arrows for the pitch and right hand on the number
pad keys for the durations.  When copying sheet music I now only need to
glance at the screen every once in a while and never at my fingers - I can
keep my eyes firmly on the original music for long periods and this makes
it very fast indeed.  There are many keyboard shortcuts and you can set up
metatools to make things even faster.  Taking my hand away to use a MIDI
keyboard would really slow me down, as does using the mouse.

Don't be tempted into thinking that scanning music or using Hyperscribe will
speed things up, it doesn't.  It ends up as a mess which you have to spend
even more time cleaning up.

> I don't usually use templates, preferring to set each new document up
> precisely for that particular project.  But then I don't usually work on
> projects which have to be "just so" for a particular publisher.

Here's where I differ from David and agree with Mike G.  It takes a long,
long time fiddling with all the settings and making expression and 
articulation
libraries etc,  before you get them the way you want.  A blank template file
stores them all, instantly ready for the next project.  I do have one 
template
in a particular style for a publisher, but mostly I use my own "house 
style".

Peter



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Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into finale 2012

[Girard Bowe]

That's funny - I use Speedy also, but I select the value on the QWERTY, then
press the pitch on the midi. Maybe you're not using a midi keyboard? So for
me, it's note value first, then pitch. However, "pitch first" is great for
banjos!

I've gotten to be pretty adept at using 2 keyboards. I also have several
templates set up for different projects. The main ones are jazz/funk band
arrangements (2-5 horns + rhythm), jazz solo transcriptions, and a legit
template.

Linked parts has been a huge time-saver for me - so much better for my
purposes than part extraction.

There are no plug-ins for entering notes that I'm aware of, but there are
number which are very useful once you've entered notes. I seem to use the JW
Plugins every session.

GizB
Richmond VA

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|From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
|Chuck Israels
|Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:53 PM
|To: finale@shsu.edu
|Subject: Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into finale
2012
|
|And the biggest reason for my use of Speedy entry is - pitch first, then
note value.
|I can't wrap my head around the opposite way. Perhaps if Simple were to
have
|that option, I'd have reason to consider changing.
|
|Chuck 

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Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into finale 2012

[Aaron Sherber]

Totally agree. The only difference for me is that I use Speedy with my
computer keyboard as a 3-octave keyboard (z-m, a-j, q-u) to select the
pitch, rather than arrow keys. Very quick and efficient, and one of the
main reasons I haven't been tempted by other notation apps.

Aaron.



On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 4:52 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:

> And the biggest reason for my use of Speedy entry is - pitch first, then
> note value. I can't wrap my head around the opposite way. Perhaps if Simple
> were to have that option, I'd have reason to consider changing.
>
> Chuck
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 17, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Mike Greensill 
> wrote:
> >
> > I use "speedy" with a midi keyboard and find it's very, very quick for
> > entering notes. Apparently the 'powers that be' at Finale much prefer
> > "simple" but I just don'y see it myself. My biggest fear is that someday
> > they'll dump "speedy".
> >
> > I use templates that I've created for almost all my projects from a full
> > symphony score, to big band, to piano trio. Saves vast amounts of time
> and
> > everything always looks as you would like it, from the fonts used to
> > personal chords suffixes, page layout etc.
> >
> > Mike G.
> >
> > www.mikegreensill.com
> >
> > http://www.shermusic.com/1883217768.php
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 11:26 AM, David H. Bailey <
> dhbaile...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>> On 2/17/2016 1:57 PM, Martin Nickless wrote:
> >>> As a relative newcomer to finale I would like to seek the opinion of
> >>> people out there and which means They think is the quickest way to
> >>> input notation etc into finale on the completion of a Pen and paper
> >>> sketch Do most people tend to have templates already set up for the
> >>> project they're about to start on ? I use a laptop and a midi
> >>> keyboard but when I'm away from home can entering notes on the laptop
> >>> manually also be a fast process also Last one which plug-ins are
> >>> essential for speed Very best regards thank you Martin
> >>
> >> I use speedy entry -- sometimes with a midi keyboard but more frequently
> >> using the computer's keyboard.  Arrow keys up and down to select the
> >> pitch, number keys to select the rhythm.  If you switch between using a
> >> midi keyboard and not using a midi keyboard to enter the music using
> >> Speedy Entry be sure that the toggle Use Midi Device for input is
> >> unchecked if you're using only the computer's keyboard or all you'll get
> >> are rests.
> >>
> >> I don't usually use templates, preferring to set each new document up
> >> precisely for that particular project.  But then I don't usually work on
>
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Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into finale 2012

[Chuck Israels]

And the biggest reason for my use of Speedy entry is - pitch first, then note 
value. I can't wrap my head around the opposite way. Perhaps if Simple were to 
have that option, I'd have reason to consider changing. 

Chuck 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 17, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Mike Greensill  wrote:
> 
> I use "speedy" with a midi keyboard and find it's very, very quick for
> entering notes. Apparently the 'powers that be' at Finale much prefer
> "simple" but I just don'y see it myself. My biggest fear is that someday
> they'll dump "speedy".
> 
> I use templates that I've created for almost all my projects from a full
> symphony score, to big band, to piano trio. Saves vast amounts of time and
> everything always looks as you would like it, from the fonts used to
> personal chords suffixes, page layout etc.
> 
> Mike G.
> 
> www.mikegreensill.com
> 
> http://www.shermusic.com/1883217768.php
> 
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 11:26 AM, David H. Bailey 
> wrote:
> 
>>> On 2/17/2016 1:57 PM, Martin Nickless wrote:
>>> As a relative newcomer to finale I would like to seek the opinion of
>>> people out there and which means They think is the quickest way to
>>> input notation etc into finale on the completion of a Pen and paper
>>> sketch Do most people tend to have templates already set up for the
>>> project they're about to start on ? I use a laptop and a midi
>>> keyboard but when I'm away from home can entering notes on the laptop
>>> manually also be a fast process also Last one which plug-ins are
>>> essential for speed Very best regards thank you Martin
>> 
>> I use speedy entry -- sometimes with a midi keyboard but more frequently
>> using the computer's keyboard.  Arrow keys up and down to select the
>> pitch, number keys to select the rhythm.  If you switch between using a
>> midi keyboard and not using a midi keyboard to enter the music using
>> Speedy Entry be sure that the toggle Use Midi Device for input is
>> unchecked if you're using only the computer's keyboard or all you'll get
>> are rests.
>> 
>> I don't usually use templates, preferring to set each new document up
>> precisely for that particular project.  But then I don't usually work on

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Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into finale 2012

[Chuck Israels]

My experience exactly. 

Chuck 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 17, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Mike Greensill  wrote:
> 
> I use "speedy" with a midi keyboard and find it's very, very quick for
> entering notes. Apparently the 'powers that be' at Finale much prefer
> "simple" but I just don'y see it myself. My biggest fear is that someday
> they'll dump "speedy".
> 
> I use templates that I've created for almost all my projects from a full
> symphony score, to big band, to piano trio. Saves vast amounts of time and
> everything always looks as you would like it, from the fonts used to
> personal chords suffixes, page layout etc.
> 
> Mike G.
> 
> www.mikegreensill.com
> 
> http://www.shermusic.com/1883217768.php
> 
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 11:26 AM, David H. Bailey 
> wrote:
> 
>>> On 2/17/2016 1:57 PM, Martin Nickless wrote:
>>> As a relative newcomer to finale I would like to seek the opinion of
>>> people out there and which means They think is the quickest way to
>>> input notation etc into finale on the completion of a Pen and paper
>>> sketch Do most people tend to have templates already set up for the
>>> project they're about to start on ? I use a laptop and a midi
>>> keyboard but when I'm away from home can entering notes on the laptop
>>> manually also be a fast process also Last one which plug-ins are
>>> essential for speed Very best regards thank you Martin
>> 
>> I use speedy entry -- sometimes with a midi keyboard but more frequently
>> using the computer's keyboard.  Arrow keys up and down to select the
>> pitch, number keys to select the rhythm.  If you switch between using a
>> midi keyboard and not using a midi keyboard to enter the music using
>> Speedy Entry be sure that the toggle Use Midi Device for input is
>> unchecked if you're using only the computer's keyboard or all you'll get
>> are rests.
>> 
>> I don't usually use templates, preferring to set each new document up
>> precisely for that particular project.  But then I don't usually work on
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Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into finale 2012

[John Roberts]

I think many of the people who have used Finale or a while use Speedy, 
with or without a midi keyboard (in my case it's with). It used to be 
Make Music's recommended method, and that's what we got used to and 
developed the habits. Latterly it would seem that Simple entry has been 
improved considerably, but those of who learned with Speedy and have got 
use to it are unlikely to change.

Try both, and see what works for you. You might find Simple more 
intuitive. I'm sticking to Speedy.

JR



On 2/17/16 2:52 PM, Mike Greensill wrote:
> I use "speedy" with a midi keyboard and find it's very, very quick for
> entering notes. Apparently the 'powers that be' at Finale much prefer
> "simple" but I just don'y see it myself. My biggest fear is that someday
> they'll dump "speedy".
>
> I use templates that I've created for almost all my projects from a full
> symphony score, to big band, to piano trio. Saves vast amounts of time and
> everything always looks as you would like it, from the fonts used to
> personal chords suffixes, page layout etc.
>
> Mike G.
>
> www.mikegreensill.com
>
> http://www.shermusic.com/1883217768.php
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 11:26 AM, David H. Bailey 
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/17/2016 1:57 PM, Martin Nickless wrote:
>>> As a relative newcomer to finale I would like to seek the opinion of
>>> people out there and which means They think is the quickest way to
>>> input notation etc into finale on the completion of a Pen and paper
>>> sketch Do most people tend to have templates already set up for the
>>> project they're about to start on ? I use a laptop and a midi
>>> keyboard but when I'm away from home can entering notes on the laptop
>>> manually also be a fast process also Last one which plug-ins are
>>> essential for speed Very best regards thank you Martin
>>>
>>
>> I use speedy entry -- sometimes with a midi keyboard but more frequently
>> using the computer's keyboard.  Arrow keys up and down to select the
>> pitch, number keys to select the rhythm.  If you switch between using a
>> midi keyboard and not using a midi keyboard to enter the music using
>> Speedy Entry be sure that the toggle Use Midi Device for input is
>> unchecked if you're using only the computer's keyboard or all you'll get
>> are rests.
>>
>> I don't usually use templates, preferring to set each new document up
>> precisely for that particular project.  But then I don't usually work on
>> projects which have to be "just so" for a particular publisher.
>>
>> I don't find plug-ins to be helpful for entering the notation -- they're
>> great for things after the initial music entry but I find they get in
>> the way when I'm in the music entry phase of a project.
>>
>>
>> --
>> David H. Bailey
>> dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
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Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into finale 2012

[Mike Greensill]

I use "speedy" with a midi keyboard and find it's very, very quick for
entering notes. Apparently the 'powers that be' at Finale much prefer
"simple" but I just don'y see it myself. My biggest fear is that someday
they'll dump "speedy".

I use templates that I've created for almost all my projects from a full
symphony score, to big band, to piano trio. Saves vast amounts of time and
everything always looks as you would like it, from the fonts used to
personal chords suffixes, page layout etc.

Mike G.

www.mikegreensill.com

http://www.shermusic.com/1883217768.php

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 11:26 AM, David H. Bailey 
wrote:

> On 2/17/2016 1:57 PM, Martin Nickless wrote:
> > As a relative newcomer to finale I would like to seek the opinion of
> > people out there and which means They think is the quickest way to
> > input notation etc into finale on the completion of a Pen and paper
> > sketch Do most people tend to have templates already set up for the
> > project they're about to start on ? I use a laptop and a midi
> > keyboard but when I'm away from home can entering notes on the laptop
> > manually also be a fast process also Last one which plug-ins are
> > essential for speed Very best regards thank you Martin
> >
>
> I use speedy entry -- sometimes with a midi keyboard but more frequently
> using the computer's keyboard.  Arrow keys up and down to select the
> pitch, number keys to select the rhythm.  If you switch between using a
> midi keyboard and not using a midi keyboard to enter the music using
> Speedy Entry be sure that the toggle Use Midi Device for input is
> unchecked if you're using only the computer's keyboard or all you'll get
> are rests.
>
> I don't usually use templates, preferring to set each new document up
> precisely for that particular project.  But then I don't usually work on
> projects which have to be "just so" for a particular publisher.
>
> I don't find plug-ins to be helpful for entering the notation -- they're
> great for things after the initial music entry but I find they get in
> the way when I'm in the music entry phase of a project.
>
>
> --
> David H. Bailey
> dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
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Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into finale 2012

[Lawrence Yates]

I echo David's method almost to the letter.

Cheers,

Lawrence

On 17 February 2016 at 19:26, David H. Bailey 
wrote:

> On 2/17/2016 1:57 PM, Martin Nickless wrote:
> > As a relative newcomer to finale I would like to seek the opinion of
> > people out there and which means They think is the quickest way to
> > input notation etc into finale on the completion of a Pen and paper
> > sketch Do most people tend to have templates already set up for the
> > project they're about to start on ? I use a laptop and a midi
> > keyboard but when I'm away from home can entering notes on the laptop
> > manually also be a fast process also Last one which plug-ins are
> > essential for speed Very best regards thank you Martin
> >
>
> I use speedy entry -- sometimes with a midi keyboard but more frequently
> using the computer's keyboard.  Arrow keys up and down to select the
> pitch, number keys to select the rhythm.  If you switch between using a
> midi keyboard and not using a midi keyboard to enter the music using
> Speedy Entry be sure that the toggle Use Midi Device for input is
> unchecked if you're using only the computer's keyboard or all you'll get
> are rests.
>
> I don't usually use templates, preferring to set each new document up
> precisely for that particular project.  But then I don't usually work on
> projects which have to be "just so" for a particular publisher.
>
> I don't find plug-ins to be helpful for entering the notation -- they're
> great for things after the initial music entry but I find they get in
> the way when I'm in the music entry phase of a project.
>
>
> --
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> dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
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Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into finale 2012

[David H. Bailey]

On 2/17/2016 1:57 PM, Martin Nickless wrote:
> As a relative newcomer to finale I would like to seek the opinion of
> people out there and which means They think is the quickest way to
> input notation etc into finale on the completion of a Pen and paper
> sketch Do most people tend to have templates already set up for the
> project they're about to start on ? I use a laptop and a midi
> keyboard but when I'm away from home can entering notes on the laptop
> manually also be a fast process also Last one which plug-ins are
> essential for speed Very best regards thank you Martin
>

I use speedy entry -- sometimes with a midi keyboard but more frequently
using the computer's keyboard.  Arrow keys up and down to select the
pitch, number keys to select the rhythm.  If you switch between using a 
midi keyboard and not using a midi keyboard to enter the music using 
Speedy Entry be sure that the toggle Use Midi Device for input is 
unchecked if you're using only the computer's keyboard or all you'll get 
are rests.

I don't usually use templates, preferring to set each new document up
precisely for that particular project.  But then I don't usually work on
projects which have to be "just so" for a particular publisher.

I don't find plug-ins to be helpful for entering the notation -- they're
great for things after the initial music entry but I find they get in
the way when I'm in the music entry phase of a project.


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[Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into finale 2012

[Martin Nickless]

As a relative newcomer to finale I would like to seek the opinion of people out 
there and which means They think is the quickest way to input notation etc into 
finale on the completion of a Pen and paper sketch
Do most people tend to have templates already set up for the project they're 
about to start on ?
I use a laptop and a midi keyboard but when I'm away from home can entering 
notes on the laptop manually also be a fast process also 
Last one which plug-ins are essential for speed
Very best regards thank you
Martin


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Re: [Finale] Finale failings

[Graeme Gerrard]

Wow, haven’t seen THAT before!  Very confusing.
> On 17 Feb 2016, at 6:19 pm, Chris Bell  wrote:
> 
>> It is interesting to me how different traditions have evolved in 
>> different parts of the musical universe to accomplish similar ends.
>> . . .. . .  with no 5th of course.  That internal major 7th (E to D#) gives 
>> the 
>> chord a lot of "grit" -- very unresolved, and the dom7 adds to the 
>> un-resolution.  If I had to move to a desert island and was allowed to 
>> take only one chord with me, the 7#9 would be it.  But I would probably 
>> be insane inside of 3 hours (if not already).
> 
> A certain older tradition prevails up here in Sweden of writing the chord as 
> 7-10
> Also, a Dominant C7(b9) is written C9b. Which sometimes gives variations such 
> as: C9b5#
> 
> +1 on the "it's interesting"
> 
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